ANTI ISRAELI HYPOCRISY

Not only that, but Jews talk shit about Christians and Muslims all the time. Especially Christians, even though most Christians are Zionists... I was a Zionist myself, until my eyes were opened, thanks to abuse by Zionist Jews.

I'm a Bible scholar; and there's nothing in it about JEWS being "God's chosen people". God's chosen, His people: are Israelites, not Jews.

Jewish Israel will destroy the whole damn planet.

lol

You are quite delusional.

Hey *Heisenberg*, Check this out.

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The State of Israel DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism

The relatively new concept of Zionism began only about one hundred years ago and since that time Torah-true Jewry has steadfastly opposed the Zionist ideology. This struggle is rooted in two convictions:

1. Zionism, by advocating a political and military end to the Jewish exile, denies the very essence of our Diaspora existence. We are in exile by Divine Decree and may emerge from exile solely via Divine Redemption. All human efforts to alter a metaphysical reality are doomed to end in failure and bloodshed. History has clearly borne out this teaching.

2. Zionism has not only denied our fundamental belief in Heavenly Redemption it has also created a pseudo-Judaism which views the essence of our identity to be a secular nationalism. Accordingly, Zionism and the Israeli state have consistently endeavored, via persuasion and coercion, to replace a Divine and Torah-centered understanding of our peoplehood with an armed materialism.

True Torah Jews is dedicated to informing the world and in particular the American public and politicians that not all Jews support the ideology of the Zionist state called "Israel". In fact, a great number of Orthodox Jews view the ideology of that state as diametrically opposed to the teachings of traditional Judaism.

We are concerned that the widespread misconception that all Jews support the Zionist state and its actions endangers Jews worldwide.

We are NOT politically motivated. We are motivated by our concern for the peace and safety of all people throughout the world including those living in the Zionist state. We support and pray for peace for the people of the Zionist state but have no interest in and do not support the Zionist government.

We seek to disassociate Jews and traditional Judaism from the Zionist ideology by:

1. Providing historical and supporting documentation that Zionism is totally contrary to the teachings of traditional Judaism through the words of our Rabbis, Sages, and Holy Scriptures which oppose the creation of a state called Israel.

2. Providing historical documentation on the ideology and creation of Zionism, the supporters of Zionism and the negative impact of their actions on the Jewish people in the past hundred years, including their involvement in the Holocaust and their activities up to the present day.

3. Publicizing the efforts of traditional Jews to demonstrate their opposition to Zionism, efforts which are often ignored by the mainstream media.

4. Convincing the news media, politicians and the public to cease referring to the State of Israel as the "Jewish State" but to call it what it is: the "Zionist State".

We also aim to reach out to our Jewish brethren who have never studied the subject of Zionism from a Torah perspective, and have only been taught the Zionist side of the story. It is our hope that all of our fellow Jews will soon open their eyes, return to Torah and reject this ideology that replaces the Jew's age-old hope for G-d's redemption with a false redemption and a human-initiated state.

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What is Zionism?

Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.

The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.

Supporters of this movement are called "Zionists".

Today there is much confusion among Jews over the meaning of the term Zionism. It means different things to different people.

The reason for this is that historically, Zionism has been a movement dominated by secularist Jews. Herzl and most of his colleagues were assimilated Jews, who did not believe in or practice the Torah. Some Zionists were vehemently anti-religious, and saw the Torah and mitzvos as outdated rituals with no place in their modern state.

Yet the essence of the Zionist idea - that Jews should return to the Holy Land and establish a government - is not inherently secular, and in fact the Zionist movement had some religious members from the very beginning.

Some Jews today use Zionism as a synonym for Israeli secularism, and thus support the State of Israel while claiming to be anti-Zionist. These people's only complaint about the State of Israel is that it is not religious enough. They hope for the day when the state will be dominated by the religious parties.

But this is not the meaning of the term Zionism as used on this site. When we talk about Zionism here, we are refering to the concept that Jews should rise up, emancipate themselves from exile without waiting for the messiah, and establish a Jewish government in the Holy Land. Using Jewish texts, we demonstrate that this concept is against the Torah and has been opposed by rabbis in all generations.

There have been hundreds of rabbis over the past century who spoke out against the Zionist movement. But because of the ambiguity of the term, it is not always possible to prove that a given rabbi meant to oppose the concept of Zionism, rather than just secularism. For this reason, religious Zionists often make the claim that much rabbinic opposition to Zionism was only because it was a secular movement. On the "Rabbinic Quotations" section of this site, we have avoided this confusion by carefully selecting those quotations that are clearly against the concept of Zionism itself. As the reader will see, these quotations alone are enough proof that almost all of the greatest sages and leaders of the Jewish people opposed the establishment of a Jewish state.

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Yes!

Quotes from the Zionists: Chaim Weizmann, Theodor Herzl, Apolinari Hartglass, David Ben-Gurion, Rabbi Hershel Schachter, Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik


Chaim Weizmann: At the Zionist Congress in London in 1937, Dr. Weizmann established the line of policy with his words:

"The hopes of Europe's six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked, 'Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?' I replied, 'No'....From the depths of the tragedy I want to save two million young people...The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They were dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world...Only the branch of the young shall survive...They have to accept it."

Holocaust Victims Accuse, pp 25.


Theodor Herzl: While Herzl claimed that the establishment of a "Jewish" state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.

Herzl stated in his diary:

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Benny Morris (the Israeli Historian), described how Herzl foresaw how anti-Semitism could be "HARNESSED" for the realization of Zionism. He stated:

"Herzl regarded Zionism's triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe's interests to rid the Jews and relieved of anti-Semitism: The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be HARNESSED to his own--Zionist-purposes." (Righteous Victims, p. 21)


Apolinari Hartglass: a member of the Zionist rescue committee in Palestine, wrote a memorandum in early 1943 explaining what the purpose of this rescue committee really was, "We may expect the extermination of more than 7 million Jews... It is clear to us today that we cannot dream of saving more than twelve thousand or some tens of thousands of Jews... If the efforts of the committee are likely, therefore, to lead to only the most minimal of results, we must at least achieve some political gain from them... a) if the whole world knows that the only country that wants to receive the rescued Jews is Palestine... b) if the whole world knows that the initiative to save the Jews of Europe comes from Zionist circles; c) if the Jews that are saved from extermination know during the course of the war or after its end that the Zionist movement and the yishuv tried to save them...

He continued: "Should we help everyone in need, without regard to the quality of the people? Should we not give this activity a Zionist-nation character and try foremost to save those who can be of use to the Land of Israel and to Jewry? I understand that it seems cruel to put the question in this form, but unfortunately we must state that if we are able to save only 10,000 people from among 50,000 who can contribute to building the country and to the national revival of the people, as against saving a million Jews who will be a burden, or at best an apathetic element, we must restrain ourselves and save the 10,000 that can be saved from among the 50,000 - despite the accusations and pleas of the million. I take comfort from the fact that it will be impossible to apply this harsh principle 100 percent and that the million will get something also. But let us see that it does not get too much." (The Seventh Million, pp. 99-100)

The Zionists knew, as Hartglass said, that they could reap a great propaganda benefit from the Holocaust, and this is most strikingly apparent from the fact that in September 1942, when most of the Holocaust victims were still alive and well, the Zionists were already busy planning their memorial, Yad Vashem. In that month, a former delegate to several Zionist congresses, Mordechai Shenhavi, proposed that the Jewish National Fund establish a memorial to the victims of the Holocaust. Shenhavi's proposal led to discussions and letters, and a committee was set up to examine them. (The Seventh Million, p. 104)


David Ben-Gurion: Ben Gurion wrote in the N.Y. Times 4/22/63: “Jews are in truth a separate element in the midst of the peoples among whom they live – an element that cannot be completely absorbed by any nation – and for this reason no nation can calmly tolerate it in its midst.”

Ben-Gurion said in 1938: "If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."


Rabbi Hershel Schachter: Rabbi Hershel Schachter records that his teacher, Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik once mentioned that the Satmar Rebbe asked in his sefer: who permitted the Zionists to offer so many sacrifices of Jewish lives for the sake of creating the State and maintaining it? Shouldn’t the danger to life have superceded the whole idea of the State, even if it had been a very great mitzvah? Rabbi Soloveitchik said that seemingly, this is a very strong argument. But he answered it based on his grandfather Reb Chaim Brisker's opinion that saving a Jew from apostasy has the same status in halacha as saving a Jewish life (in contrast to the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 306:10 that the reason one may violate Shabbos to save his daughter from apostasy is only because of the principle of “sin so that someone else should not sin”.) Reb Chaim also held that a person is obligated to enter a situation of possible danger in order to save another person from a definite danger (in contrast to the ruling of the Mishnah Berurah, end of 329). Assimilation, in this context, is like apostasy, for assimilated Jews violate the entire Torah. Were the Jewish State to cease to exist, assimilation in America and Europe would increase by a large factor, for only through the State do the Jews in this period (after the Holocaust) have pride. So the individuals who sacrifice their lives in Eretz Yisroel are putting themselves in possible danger to save the multitude from a definite danger."

Rabbi Soloveitchik went on to say, however, that it is only when the entire existence of the state is at stake that it is obligatory to sacrifice lives to keep it in existence. If it is only a question of returning a piece of land in exchange for peace, the state is obligated to return the land, because the danger to the lives of Jews in Eretz Yisroel supercedes the mitzvah of conquering the Land. This, he said, is against the view of the Minchas Chinuch 425, who says that since the Torah commands us to conquer Eretz Yisroel from the Canaanites, and war by its nature involves some casualties, it must be that the mitzvah was given explicitly with the provision that it overrides Jewish lives. Rabbi Soloveitchik argued that Yehoshua's wars were an exception, since they were commanded directly by Hashem, but at all later times perhaps the Torah only permits conquest and defense of territory when there is some danger to Jewish lives, however remote. (Nefesh Harav, pp. 97-98)

In a 1988 article, Rabbi Schachter goes a step beyond his teacher's views, and says that even giving back land to save lives is not obligatory. First of all, he says, the Minchas Chinuch holds this way. Secondly, we can prove that any war to defend land, even when lives are not at stake, is a mitzvah war. For if it is only an optional war, how do the nations of the world have the right to defend their countries against an attacking army? They have no Sanhedrin that could grant permission for an optional war. So a war to defend territory is a mitzvah war, and by this logic Jews can do it too, even at the expense of lives.

He goes on to explain the reason why, in his view, defending a piece of land is more important than saving lives: "Since Eretz Yisroel is vital to Jewish existence as a nation-state, conquest by a foreign power is considered a lethal blow to the conquered nation. Therefore, just as a doctor may amputate a patient's limb in order to save the patient's life, where the life of an entire nation is in danger it is permissible to sacrifice the lives of the few for the purpose of sparing the nation at large."

However, he says, this would only be true if the Israeli-Arab conflict were a winnable conflict. Then we would put land above lives. But if it were a losing battle, similar to the war against the Romans at the time of the destruction of the Temple, then we would advocate surrender as did Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai. And if it becomes clear that the conflict is neither clearly winnable nor clearly a losing battle, then it is up to the Israeli people themselves to decide if it is worth the sacrifice to hold onto the land. (Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society, Fall 1988)

Rabbi Schachter goes even further and says that it is forbidden to pray for peace in Eretz Yisroel, because the Israeli-Arab wars are the “beginning of the redemption” and if there is peace, it will delay the redemption. As his source for this he cites a responsum of the Minchas Elazar (4:5) written during World War I, in which the Minchas Elazar understood that World War I was the being of the redemption and we should therefore not pray for peace, only for the redemption. Obviously, that would not apply here, because war waged by a Jewish state during exile is an obstacle to the redemption, not a vehicle to bring it closer. This is what the Gemara says in Sanhedrin 98a: that moshiach will not come as long as the Jewish people has a sovereign state.



Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik: was a strong supporter of Zionism and the state. His student Rabbi Hershel Schachter records that he once mentioned that the Satmar Rebbe asked in his sefer: who permitted the Zionists to offer so many sacrifices of Jewish lives for the sake of creating the State and maintaining it? Shouldn’t the danger to life have superceded the whole idea of the State, even if it had been a very great mitzvah? Rabbi Soloveitchik said that seemingly, this is a very strong argument. But he answered it based on his grandfather Reb Chaim Brisker's opinion that saving a Jew from apostasy has the same status in halacha as saving a Jewish life (in contrast to the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 306:10 that the reason one may violate Shabbos to save his daughter from apostasy is only because of the principle of “sin so that someone else should not sin”.) Reb Chaim also held that a person is obligated to enter a situation of possible danger in order to save another person from a definite danger (in contrast to the ruling of the Mishnah Berurah, end of 329). Assimilation, in this context, is like apostasy, for assimilated Jews violate the entire Torah. Were the Jewish State to cease to exist, assimilation in America and Europe would increase by a large factor, for only through the State do the Jews in this period (after the Holocaust) have pride. So the individuals who sacrifice their lives in Eretz Yisroel are putting themselves in possible danger to save the multitude from a definite danger."

Rabbi Soloveitchik went on to say, however, that it is only when the entire existence of the state is at stake that it is obligatory to sacrifice lives to keep it in existence. If it is only a question of returning a piece of land in exchange for peace, the state is obligated to return the land, because the danger to the lives of Jews in Eretz Yisroel supercedes the mitzvah of conquering the Land. This, he said, is against the view of the Minchas Chinuch 425, who says that since the Torah commands us to conquer Eretz Yisroel from the Canaanites, and war by its nature involves some casualties, it must be that the mitzvah was given explicitly with the provision that it overrides Jewish lives. Rabbi Soloveitchik argued that Yehoshua's wars were an exception, since they were commanded directly by Hashem, but at all later times perhaps the Torah only permits conquest and defense of territory when there is some danger to Jewish lives, however remote. (Nefesh Harav, pp. 97-98)

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Wow, that is one angle I havn't put much thought into. What do you think of that article?

That would be huge news if true.

Certainly seems plausible and would explain the explosion of the hate for zionist from people who probably don't even know what the word means. We are reliving virtually everything that happened in the late 1970's. The last time a US ambassador was killed was 1979 during the Carter administration. That is also when the PLO came to power and the terrorist Yasser Arafat and Moa mar Kaddafi were elevated to "world leader" status by an anemically weak Jimmy carter who had gutted our military and a strong Soviet Union leader Brezhnev who was making friends with every single enemy we had. Today the US has Jimmy’s long lost sun-tanned brother Obama appeasing our enemies and backstabbing our allies just like Jimmy Carter did and Russia’s Czar-like former KGB head Vladimir Putin is financing and equipping Iran and Syria who are pulling the strings in Egypt and Libya.

I don’t think we really won the cold war with the Soviet Union. We just outspent them. The core of the old Soviet Union is still in charge in Russia and their communist tactics of withering a nation from within is practically mission accomplished in the main party platform of the DNC. Growing up I remember hearing constantly about the different proxy wars from the 70’s and 80’s in Afghanistan, Iran, and Libya. What’s old is new again. Russia is financing our enemies and we are stuck with a self destructive foreign policy from an incompetent Whitehouse who hates Israel and coddles terrorists.

We’ve got big problems this time though. There is no Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher. We are flat broke. Israel is about to open up a can of whop ass all by itself if the Jihadist don’t do it first. Oh yeah, and a couple of decades have passed since the old Soviet Union’s nuclear weapons went on the market to people who have been streaming here like Kansas is the new Mecca for years. This isn’t just about a proxy war anymore. Both the communist and Islam are here in our own country tearing it down from within… and they don’t subscribe to the military doctrine of mutually assured destruction.

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"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."
Colin Powell, retired four-star general in the U.S. Army

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Well said. They warned us back then that they would slowly bring us down.

Like you said, this time things are different...us being so broke almost leaves us defenseless. I can't help but wonder if that was also part of the plan. Which actually I believe it was, they said they would slowly through incrementalism, get Americans hooked on socialism/communism.

Maybe also why if you ever bring up russia as still being an enemy...the left wingnuts laugh at you, accuse you of being stuck in the cold war days.

This is quite concerning.

What is really concerning is that we have the worlds most capable and active military and it doesn't matter. Locking the house doesn't help if the attacker is already inside.

No one said it was...

But blaming all the worlds problems on the jewish people is..

Do you think there are sleeper cells in the U.S?

Y'all crack me up! (insert name here...anything but the J E W S) sleeper cells. How's this for a sleeper cell?


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YOU crack ME up, because we were not talking about muslims genius.

Fixed.
Y'all crack me up! (insert name here...anything but the J E W S) sleeper cells. How's this for a sleeper cell?

Y'all crack me up! (insert name here...anything but the J E W S) sleeper cells. How's this for a sleeper cell?

Don't know, I can't watch vids at the office. I will have to when I get home.

Please do. This country has already been taken over. The video barely scratches the surface. Just a quick who's who in the world of government, finance and media. The control of this country is right out in the open if people would just open their eyes instead of listening to the propaganda.

I have heard all that tho. I know who it will say is in charge of all those you mentioned. "Zionists" as you call them.

The fed reserve, the other private banks and the rest of the cartel. I know the theories. Just because I don't buy into some of it doesn't mean I havn't researched it.

"I have heard all that tho. I know who it will say is in charge of all those you mentioned. "Zionists" as you call them.

The fed reserve, the other private banks and the rest of the cartel. I know the theories. Just because I don't buy into some of it doesn't mean I havn't researched it."Heisenberg


Why not? I don't get why the clearest and most obvious present danger that openly controls major finance, levels of government and all media in this country is staring at you in the face and yet you refuse to hear or see.

It's not some theory it is blatent and out in the open. They just happen to control the media (which again is an obvious and admitted fact), so you don't read, hear or watch about it the traditional sense.

The truth is getting out to the masses because a new way of communication and journalism is available and the control isn't as solid on the internet.

So again I ask you why don't you buy into it? Does it completely go against old beliefs? Does the level of corruption that has occurred unsettle you?

I was on the bandwagon at one time until the obvious and undeniable facts came to light.

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I do believe the federal reserve and other foreign banking cartels have massive influence on economic and possibly foreign policy.

It is exactly what I would expect when we give control of our countries currency to private bankers.

Although I do not believe it is part of a bigger zionist conspiracy.

I'm sorry but you start a thread talking about hypocrisy, then in your post you say people who are anti Israel think they are privvy to information others are not, immediately afterwards you state " Do you even know what would happen if..." As if you have some sort of special clairvoyance as to what would happen if Israel is scaled back.

Just for the sake of argument you imply Israel is keeping human rights intact in the region. Maybe for their own citizens but you can take that to the 1.5 million people living in the open aired prison known as Gaza.. Israel are huge human rights violators and Israel is also guilty of war crimes as recent as 2008.

I'm not pro Israel or pro Palestine, there are crimes on both sides but if you think Israel is some shining light of peace and democracy you aare deluded..

If Fox News had free speech it would be flattened and if GLP had free speech it would be flattened too. People post where they can and speak out where they can. The problem is too many people are on to the gyu's now and the levy is gonna break easy or hard. You cant stop it and its coming to prove the hypocrisy of the gyu's. Not a thing you can do now.

So, the fact the our currency has been debased and the fact that it is a debt-based system at all doesn't raise questions as to what the goals are of the zionist leaders of our financial system?

The fact that our media is so controlled in all aspects doesn't concern you? Why would J E W S have total control of the media if wasn't for a greater purpose?

The fact that the level filth that is on TV, in movies, on the radio and in the porn industry doesn't concern you that J E W S control all of these industries? To what end?

What do you think about all of the Israeli dual citizens in this country? Where are their allegiences? The zionists control all of these industries and they have caused all of the major problems in this country. We have allowed it to happen to us through greed, fear, lies and deceptions.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to slaughter zionists or any J E W S. I don't want any war period. I just don't want us to allow them to control these industries any longer and we absolutely don't need to support the zionist nation called israel. The so-called muslim problem is the effect of our pro-zionist government, banks and media. The zionist perpetrators and their whores need to be held accountable and put on trial.

There is where you really lose me. It's insane to say the j_ews are the cause of all our countries problems.

Let's just name a few of our problems:

1) Financial and economic meltdown. Zionist caused. Zionist J E W S are the last 2 Fed Chairmans. Zionist J E W S have controlled US banks for years and years.

2) Wars and more wars on the way. Who's pushing for these wars? Does the media not promote war? Do elements of our government not openly call for more preemptive attacks? Who are these people that do these things? Zionist J E W S and their whores.

3) Cultural & moral meltdown. The media plays a huge part in stearing this decline. Who owns the media? Zionist J E W S

It's time for a change.

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