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Books! Encyclopedia Britania- the Pictures have no chemtrails

 
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only jet engines make contrails..

so pre 70's not a lot of jet engines??
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BULLSHIT!


ALL engines produce water vapor as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion.

If that water vapor is introduced into an area of the atmosphere which is close to saturation...and colder than -40...a trail WILL BE produced!

We don't often see prop planes leaving trails because they don't often fly at such altitudes since the jets came on scene.
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only jet engines make contrails..

so pre 70's not a lot of jet engines??
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BULLSHIT!


ALL engines produce water vapor as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion.

If that water vapor is introduced into an area of the atmosphere which is close to saturation...and colder than -40...a trail WILL BE produced!

We don't often see prop planes leaving trails because they don't often fly at such altitudes since the jets came on scene.
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so are you trying to tell me that a non jet engine produces the same contrail as a jet engine?

if you are, ill have to do my training all over again at the base.
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Re: Books! Encyclopedia Britania- the Pictures have no chemtrails
only jet engines make contrails..

so pre 70's not a lot of jet engines??
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BULLSHIT!


ALL engines produce water vapor as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion.

If that water vapor is introduced into an area of the atmosphere which is close to saturation...and colder than -40...a trail WILL BE produced!

We don't often see prop planes leaving trails because they don't often fly at such altitudes since the jets came on scene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465



so are you trying to tell me that a non jet engine produces the same contrail as a jet engine?

if you are, ill have to do my training all over again at the base.
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Who said anything about the SAME type of trail? You asked if prop planes leave trails...nothing about the same as jets.


"only jet engines make contrails.."

Is what you wrote.


ALL engines produce water vapor. If the atmospheric conditions allow, the trails will persist. Will a piston aircraft put out AS MUCH water vapor? NO! Can a piston powered aircraft leave a persistent contrail? Absolutely.

Yes, get some more training. You need it.


In fact, ask your instructor to come here and school ALL the chemtards.
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09/26/2012 12:05 PM
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Re: Books! Encyclopedia Britania- the Pictures have no chemtrails
I have a friend that just moved to Moscow, Russia. He has posted over 300 pics of the place. I noticed every single one has dark blue skies, normal fluffy clouds- NO chemtrails.
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based on the logic put out by the sheeple/shills, I guess russia has no planes....

cus plane's engines leave condensation trails in the upper atmosphere because they are hot and the air is cold and the water vapor CONDENSATES thus producing the long long trail that hangs in the air

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Well of course that's not how it works. It the particulates in the exhaust that act as condensation nuclei, not heat
When you get a chance to see a real condensation trail, it is about the shape of the flame on a lighter or a candle...

it disapates very quickly, you CAN SEE IT DISAPPEAR!!!!
why would it disappear quickly?

Logic and the laws of physics would say that, if it lingers, it is NOT WATER VAPOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We already know it's not water vapor you see...it is ice. It's called deposition.

Our upper atmosphere is the same temp, give or take a degree or two, everywhere around our earth....kind of like our oceans....
Wrong...as an example... [link to nomads.ncdc.noaa.gov]
Also, the fact that you think our oceans only vary a degree or two everywhere around the earth tells me you really don't know much


no matter the conditions on land, the upper atmosphere should be basically unchanged, therefore, there should either be trails EVERYDAY since jets took to the sky, or NO TRAILS at all....
Wrong again...you clearly do not have much an understanding of how our atmosphere...particularly the troposphere works
YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!11

The fact that we have both PROVES man's hand is in this!

Observable FACT:

trails on Monday, no trails on Tuesday....
And? Do you really think the conditions at 30-40,000 feet didn't change one bit during that time
Have you ever noticed, there are not trails on major holiday weekends where the holiday falls on Sunday...

it's the magic combination....

I don't really think the atmosphere took a vacation....

do you????????????
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Re: Books! Encyclopedia Britania- the Pictures have no chemtrails
only jet engines make contrails..

so pre 70's not a lot of jet engines??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24444382


BULLSHIT!


ALL engines produce water vapor as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion.

If that water vapor is introduced into an area of the atmosphere which is close to saturation...and colder than -40...a trail WILL BE produced!

We don't often see prop planes leaving trails because they don't often fly at such altitudes since the jets came on scene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465



so are you trying to tell me that a non jet engine produces the same contrail as a jet engine?

if you are, ill have to do my training all over again at the base.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24444382



Who said anything about the SAME type of trail? You asked if prop planes leave trails...nothing about the same as jets.


"only jet engines make contrails.."

Is what you wrote.


ALL engines produce water vapor. If the atmospheric conditions allow, the trails will persist. Will a piston aircraft put out AS MUCH water vapor? NO! Can a piston powered aircraft leave a persistent contrail? Absolutely.

Yes, get some more training. You need it.


In fact, ask your instructor to come here and school ALL the chemtards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1499446


Also, there WERE quite a few jet engines before the 70s...Maybe not flying over where you lived in Hicksville...but, there were many.

[link to www.century-of-flight.net]
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09/26/2012 08:49 PM
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Re: Books! Encyclopedia Britania- the Pictures have no chemtrails
Pre 1967 showing contrail/chemtrail saturation.

[link to contrailscience.com]
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this a comment taken from this page

very well put and logical

states my point exactly


NVrep says:
May 1, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Very informative site, Uncinus. You’ve definitely made me question the solidarity of this whole “chemtrail” uprising. Though, there is one thing that confuses me:

The irregular occurrence of being able to visualize contrails in the sky.

From what I understand the main modifier of a contrail is based on the temperature of the high altitude (~-40°C render it visible) at which the plane is flying. Yet, during the summer season, 105°F on the ground, there will be criss cross contrails to the horizon. Then the very next day, 100°F on the ground, and the sky is completely clear.

I think you know what I’m getting at. This alone gives me a slight impression that these lingering contrails are intentional, and really if you could give me a structural explanation as to the reason for this drastically changing sky we live in today I would be very grateful.

Also, do you happen to have any photographs of “chemtrails” in America that were taken before 1997? Before the Open Skies Treaty was established in this country? That would be helpful as well.

Thank you for your efforts!

I used [link to www.engineeringtoolbox.com] and
[link to www.state.gov] as a reference.
 Quoting: c saw 13641814


What does temperature at altitude have to do with temperature at ground level?

It can be 100° at ground level or 30 at ground level...and -40 at altitude. And humidity is also a factor. Just because the temperature at ground level is similar from one day to another...doesn't mean the temperature OR humidity is the same at altitude for those 2 days...or even SHOULD be!

Why do you people assume that you actually understand these subjects?!
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You state our point exactly....

ground temp should not play a very large roll in upper atmosphere...like the ocean, it is generally about the same, differing in summer and winter mostly...by a few degrees.....

therefore

CONtrails should not be so erractic if they are TRULY based on atmosphereic conditions.

They should be a DAILY occurance in Nevada based on temps...and humidity.

They SHOULD be RARE during the summer when relative humidity is almost none existant, regardless of tempurature....IN NEVADA THERE IS NOTHING TO EVAPORATE....IT IS DESERT,

the desert normally has a cloudless sky.....

our weather comes from the other side of the mountains...or at least it used to....

Now weather comes from the EAST....the clouds, the lightning...bringing the fires....the strange lightning....

we are neither mediterainian climate or a continental climate....though our weather used to/usually comes from the west, over the sierra Nevada's, the mountains squeeze the water out....

But storms from the EAST....

WHERE DO THEY GET THIER WATER?
What winds are driving them?
Why are the winds blowing towards the ocean?
What is causing the up draft and don't you dare tell me the ocean creates an up draft more than land....NOT!!!!

Nothing supports that hypothosis...except harrp, but that's another rabbit hole, but they do interlock.

The day is coming when the winds will cease to blow...it is written.

But this thread is about what we remember....

Tell us what you remember....please.

Let the printed material be shared....
help by sharing the books you have in your house.

Thank you.
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Well of course that's not how it works. It the particulates in the exhaust that act as condensation nuclei, not heat


it disapates very quickly, you CAN SEE IT DISAPPEAR!!!!
why would it disappear quickly?

Logic and the laws of physics would say that, if it lingers, it is NOT WATER VAPOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We already know it's not water vapor you see...it is ice. It's called deposition.

Observable FACT:

trails on Monday, no trails on Tuesday....
And? Do you really think the conditions at 30-40,000 feet didn't change one bit during that time
Have you ever noticed, there are not trails on major holiday weekends where the holiday falls on Sunday...

it's the magic combination....

I don't really think the atmosphere took a vacation....

do you????????????
 Quoting: c saw 13641814

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22793081


So is it water satruation or particulate matter????

You boys are contradicting each other....

If these engines are so 'high efficency' then why are they putting out so much particulate matter????

Do they need a 'smog' test????
Should they be regulated???? by EPA????

I do not believe they are putting out that much 'smog' to create that large of trails as we see today...

REmember the blue angles...they had to MAKE THIER OWN TRAILS becaust they didn't happen naturally...yeah, yeah, lower altitude and all that, but your point is not well taken....

there should be NO ROOM FOR OPINION if contrails are a fact that is incontroversial....

facts are facts....

I understand that particulate matter can cause clouds...that fires can create thier own weather...heat causing winds, particulates creating clouds...it is not lost on me....

However, based on the nucli premise, a jet's trail should not be able to start and stop as the particulates are not ceasing and the conditions are not changing at that speed...

hang on to your precious therories...and die like a man, and your children will die of hunger while they kill our world....and there will be no children's children to worry about.bump
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ALL engines produce water vapor as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion.

If that water vapor is introduced into an area of the atmosphere which is close to saturation...and colder than -40...a trail WILL BE produced!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Now we talk water vapor.....from hyfrocarbon combustion
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There are MORE of them now, because there are MORE high efficiency jet engines which push the air saturation past the supersaturation point. In the past, the air had to be VERY close to saturation before a jet engine would add enough moisture through combustion to create a contrail.



now we have efficient jet engines....and super saturation....

hmmmm, which to believe
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only jet engines make contrails..

so pre 70's not a lot of jet engines??
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[link to inventors.about.com]

Jet engines been around a while.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Particle physics gives me a hadron.
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There are MORE of them now, because there are MORE high efficiency jet engines which push the air saturation past the supersaturation point. In the past, the air had to be VERY close to saturation before a jet engine would add enough moisture through combustion to create a contrail.



now we have efficient jet engines....and super saturation....

hmmmm, which to believe
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Don't care what you "believe"...the truth is the truth no matter what crap YOU choose to accept AS truth.
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ALL engines produce water vapor as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion.

If that water vapor is introduced into an area of the atmosphere which is close to saturation...and colder than -40...a trail WILL BE produced!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Now we talk water vapor.....from hyfrocarbon combustion
 Quoting: c saw 13641814


No, it's not "now we talk about...."

It's now YOU understand your ignorance about...

and it's "hydrocarbon"

Look it up...learn something instead of accepting ignorant chemtard bullshit as fact.
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Well of course that's not how it works. It the particulates in the exhaust that act as condensation nuclei, not heat


it disapates very quickly, you CAN SEE IT DISAPPEAR!!!!
why would it disappear quickly?

Logic and the laws of physics would say that, if it lingers, it is NOT WATER VAPOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We already know it's not water vapor you see...it is ice. It's called deposition.

Observable FACT:

trails on Monday, no trails on Tuesday....
And? Do you really think the conditions at 30-40,000 feet didn't change one bit during that time
Have you ever noticed, there are not trails on major holiday weekends where the holiday falls on Sunday...

it's the magic combination....

I don't really think the atmosphere took a vacation....

do you????????????
 Quoting: c saw 13641814

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22793081


So is it water satruation or particulate matter????

You boys are contradicting each other....

If these engines are so 'high efficency' then why are they putting out so much particulate matter????

Do they need a 'smog' test????
Should they be regulated???? by EPA????

I do not believe they are putting out that much 'smog' to create that large of trails as we see today...

REmember the blue angles...they had to MAKE THIER OWN TRAILS becaust they didn't happen naturally...yeah, yeah, lower altitude and all that, but your point is not well taken....

there should be NO ROOM FOR OPINION if contrails are a fact that is incontroversial....

facts are facts....

I understand that particulate matter can cause clouds...that fires can create thier own weather...heat causing winds, particulates creating clouds...it is not lost on me....

However, based on the nucli premise, a jet's trail should not be able to start and stop as the particulates are not ceasing and the conditions are not changing at that speed...

hang on to your precious therories...and die like a man, and your children will die of hunger while they kill our world....and there will be no children's children to worry about.bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13641814


It's BOTH water vapor, and particulates (condensation nuclei).

And efficiency doesn't mean that it doesn't produce particulates! Smoke is made of particulates...and no matter how efficient an engine, it creates exhaust gasses...

They ARE regulated!

There is infinitely MORE combustion gas being released all over the world at ground level...buses, trails, cars, truck, motorcycles. Why focus exclusively at what's happening at 30,000 feet plus? I know why..it's about the LOOK of the trails...isn't it?

Blue angels made smoke trails out of paraffin oil injected into the exhaust because the air they perform in isn't cold or humid enough for contrails.

The fact that YOU are unable to see the relationship between the three things...Nuclei, humidity and temperature, is the reason YOU are remaining a chemtard. They all have to be in place...and such conditions are NOT rare or unusual.

That's not a theory..it's a fact.

The trails are no more of an issue to the safety of future generations than any other source of pollution at ground level...and there are billions.

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