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If human intelligence was, NON-intelligently designed, doesn't that mean the creation is smarter than it's creator, Mr Darwin?

 
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I didn't mean for this to be to complicated of a question. Can anyone take it on?
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Re: If human intelligence was, NON-intelligently designed, doesn't that mean the creation is smarter than it's creator, Mr Darwin?
That question may be answered by alluding to AI. It starts with a programme that 'learns' (okay, by switching on and off between 1 and 0).

The point is that the 'intelligence' grows to become greater than it's original input. Similar to us, no? We learn from our environment, like every other living being. So maybe it is part of the original 'software' of life embedded in the DNA?

So, if it was part of a creator creating or the 'primordial soup' (titter) agrument, the end result is the same, so your question is a moot point.
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Actually I think the lack of replies can be taken as the reply. You stumped them. I think your question makes a good point.
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That question may be answered by alluding to AI. It starts with a programme that 'learns' (okay, by switching on and off between 1 and 0).

The point is that the 'intelligence' grows to become greater than it's original input. Similar to us, no? We learn from our environment, like every other living being. So maybe it is part of the original 'software' of life embedded in the DNA?

So, if it was part of a creator creating or the 'primordial soup' (titter) agrument, the end result is the same, so your question is a moot point.
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So, you're saying that this 'software' just came into being? Better than Kaspersky, more thorough than MS Defender, and it just sorta came into being ex nihilo....

Hmmmm, what does that sound like? ....
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That question may be answered by alluding to AI. It starts with a programme that 'learns' (okay, by switching on and off between 1 and 0).

The point is that the 'intelligence' grows to become greater than it's original input. Similar to us, no? We learn from our environment, like every other living being. So maybe it is part of the original 'software' of life embedded in the DNA?

So, if it was part of a creator creating or the 'primordial soup' (titter) agrument, the end result is the same, so your question is a moot point.
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Who wrote the 'program'?
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I didn't mean for this to be to complicated of a question. Can anyone take it on?
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Dude the conflictions of evolutionary science make it as much of a fantasy as Atheists claim of any religion.

There is no fossil record of the trans-species that darwinian theory claims have to exist. Plain and simple.

There should be millions and perhaps billions of in between variants of every species known to man for darwinian theory to be relevant. But all we see are small variations.

Another thing I found interesting when I was an atheist is how does something that is only practical when fully developed provide evolutionary advantage. The perfect example is a wing. If a nub was so advantageous and remained in the genetic lineage, turning into an arm rather than a wing is far more useful in underdeveloped adaptation. Scientifically with regard to efficiency the argument of wing vs arm is baseless.

And as far as humans go the Rhesus Negative gene is the issue. All primates carry the gene while 10% of humans do not. I am one that doesn't.
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That question may be answered by alluding to AI. It starts with a programme that 'learns' (okay, by switching on and off between 1 and 0).

The point is that the 'intelligence' grows to become greater than it's original input. Similar to us, no? We learn from our environment, like every other living being. So maybe it is part of the original 'software' of life embedded in the DNA?

So, if it was part of a creator creating or the 'primordial soup' (titter) agrument, the end result is the same, so your question is a moot point.
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Who wrote the 'program'?
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Science is their religion. Stop attacking their religion you meany.

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I didn't mean for this to be to complicated of a question. Can anyone take it on?
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Dude the conflictions of evolutionary science make it as much of a fantasy as Atheists claim of any religion.

There is no fossil record of the trans-species that darwinian theory claims have to exist. Plain and simple.

There should be millions and perhaps billions of in between variants of every species known to man for darwinian theory to be relevant. But all we see are small variations.

Another thing I found interesting when I was an atheist is how does something that is only practical when fully developed provide evolutionary advantage. The perfect example is a wing. If a nub was so advantageous and remained in the genetic lineage, turning into an arm rather than a wing is far more useful in underdeveloped adaptation. Scientifically with regard to efficiency the argument of wing vs arm is baseless.

And as far as humans go the Rhesus Negative gene is the issue. All primates carry the gene while 10% of humans do not. I am one that doesn't.
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QUOTE; "the conflictions of evolutionary science make it as much of a fantasy as Atheists claim of any religion."
That's an outstanding phrase. See that evos, intelligence is alive and well here.
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Actually I think the lack of replies can be taken as the reply. You stumped them. I think your question makes a good point.
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Looking to science you can see that God exists. Scientific observation clearly shows that every action has a beginning and a cause.

But the 'scientific' explanation for the beginning of the universe? An explosion with multiple 'theories' as to why.

The most important part of this is cause. There is cause for every action. So following this scientific argument there is cause for the universe's existence and that cause is what we call God. It's as good of a theory as 'it just happened' if not better.

The normal following argument against this. 'Well what caused God?'

Is God an action? The point has not been addressed in regard to the 'cause' of the universe's beginning.

I accept that comprehension is not a requisite for cooperation. Understanding the parameters of cooperation is the only requisite for cooperation.

In other words we need not comprehend God to cooperate with God.

Another scientific and undeniable fact.

I like to argue it this way.

Do you comprehend the tax law. Do you pay taxes?

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C'mon dawinian theorists.

Address this with your scientifically based intellect.

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I have a riddle for you, If god is all powerfull he must be able to create an entity that can kill him if it can kill him this means he is not all powerfull after all something killed him, But if he cannot create this entity this also means he is not all powerfull since he cant create it, Care to explain to me which it is ? Don't come with the "why would he do that anyway" it's not a question of why it's a hypothetical question, Also no religious jibber jabber.
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I have a riddle for you, If god is all powerfull he must be able to create an entity that can kill him if it can kill him this means he is not all powerfull after all something killed him, But if he cannot create this entity this also means he is not all powerfull since he cant create it, Care to explain to me which it is ? Don't come with the "why would he do that anyway" it's not a question of why it's a hypothetical question, Also no religious jibber jabber.
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Interesting.
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people today aren't as smarter than people before..

it's just that there are more people today that can invent something(pool the resources).. so the more people the greater our technology would increase exponentially.

so go on to the world and multiply.. if only we can do that, we can conquer the rest of the universe.

to explore our galaxy and beyond.
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I have a riddle for you, If god is all powerfull he must be able to create an entity that can kill him if it can kill him this means he is not all powerfull after all something killed him, But if he cannot create this entity this also means he is not all powerfull since he cant create it, Care to explain to me which it is ? Don't come with the "why would he do that anyway" it's not a question of why it's a hypothetical question, Also no religious jibber jabber.
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Interesting.
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This is one of the best questions ever posted here, but the answer is simple enough. Reason suggests Jehovah can't create something more powerful than himself, does this mean he's not all powerful?
The good news is he has the power to defeat Satan's rival reign of terror and will, before Satan destroys Jehovah's beautiful earthly ecosystem;
"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while." Rv20:1
It's good to have powerful friends in higher places, no?

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I have a riddle for you, If god is all powerfull he must be able to create an entity that can kill him if it can kill him this means he is not all powerfull after all something killed him, But if he cannot create this entity this also means he is not all powerfull since he cant create it, Care to explain to me which it is ? Don't come with the "why would he do that anyway" it's not a question of why it's a hypothetical question, Also no religious jibber jabber.
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Interesting.
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This is one of the best questions ever posted here, but the answer is simple enough. Reason suggests Jehovah can't create something more powerful than himself, does this mean he's not all powerful?
The good news is he has the power to defeat Satan's rival reign of terror and will, before Satan destroys Jehovah's beautiful earthly ecosystem;
" And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while." Rv20:1
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Sorry but this doesn't really answer my question in any way, Yes to be all powerfull is to be omnipotent which god is supposed to be is he not ? Limitations are not supposed to apply to god are they not ? So if god has no limitations and is omnipotent and you are all so sure of yourselves you would be able to give me an answer, Unfortunately quoting random scripture doesn't really cut it for me. hf
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I have a riddle for you, If god is all powerfull he must be able to create an entity that can kill him if it can kill him this means he is not all powerfull after all something killed him, But if he cannot create this entity this also means he is not all powerfull since he cant create it, Care to explain to me which it is ? Don't come with the "why would he do that anyway" it's not a question of why it's a hypothetical question, Also no religious jibber jabber.
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This is a koan. When you've found there is no answer, you've found the answer. lol
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people today aren't as smarter than people before..

it's just that there are more people today that can invent something(pool the resources).. so the more people the greater our technology would increase exponentially.

so go on to the world and multiply.. if only we can do that, we can conquer the rest of the universe.

to explore our galaxy and beyond.
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'people today aren't as smarter than people before..'

I would have to agree. j/k.

kiss me

Accept the things you can't comprehend as such. Accept the things we can't change. Is religion what is destroying the planet right before our eyes? Do our statistic's claim this?

It is failed science technology. Will science technology fix the world now from what it has caused?

Accept that the meaning of life is to know that which we can't and yet can at the same time. Love.

I have observed an odd occurrence...

We love and think we know love yet we do harm to others and deny it(<--is this love?)

We can't comprehend how things we do affect others except through the same facet that makes us hate characteristics of others that we embody.

And yet we deny both. We cannot comprehend love.
God is Love.

Love is the meaning of life.

Good luck and God bless.

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God might be hiding behind the bush like a pedophile somewhere over there, or there, or there.

It would be his will to expose or conceal himself in any manner, at any time, at any place.

I wouldn't expect anything with regards to how much knowledge we would be allowed to have on the subject of intelligence, will and creation.
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God might be hiding behind the bush like a pedophile somewhere over there, or there, or there.

It would be his will to expose or conceal himself in any manner, at any time, at any place.

I wouldn't expect anything with regards to how much knowledge we would be allowed to have on the subject of intelligence, will and creation.
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You might want to temper that mouth there buddy, before he does it for you, because when his hour arrives, he will;
"That is also why we, from the day we heard [of it], have not ceased praying for YOU and asking that YOU may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, 10 in order to walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing [him] as YOU go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God, 11 being made powerful with all power to the extent of his glorious might so as to endure fully and be long-suffering with joy, 12 thanking the Father who rendered YOU suitable for YOUR participation in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light." Phil1:8
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Dude,.... get a cowboy hat and shades or something cool.

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Dude,.... get a cowboy hat and shades or something cool.
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There's no message in it. It's just something for us to ponder over.
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Actually I think the lack of replies can be taken as the reply. You stumped them. I think your question makes a good point.
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I think the lack of replies means that nobody gives a shit. I don't even bother to see what he says anymore. OP seems to be obsessed.
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Dude,.... get a cowboy hat and shades or something cool.
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There's no message in it. It's just something for us to ponder over.
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...yeah, it's so...Elmer Fudd....in the younger days

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God might be hiding behind the bush like a pedophile somewhere over there, or there, or there.

It would be his will to expose or conceal himself in any manner, at any time, at any place.

I wouldn't expect anything with regards to how much knowledge we would be allowed to have on the subject of intelligence, will and creation.
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean.

Respond to the damn video and save your hippie ramblings for the next phish concert.
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Your reply comes somewhat as a shock. I am not used to being insulted.
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God might be hiding behind the bush like a pedophile somewhere over there, or there, or there.

It would be his will to expose or conceal himself in any manner, at any time, at any place.

I wouldn't expect anything with regards to how much knowledge we would be allowed to have on the subject of intelligence, will and creation.
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean.

Respond to the damn video and save your hippie ramblings for the next phish concert.
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Your reply comes somewhat as a shock. I am not used to being insulted.
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I am;
"Go on walking in wisdom toward those on the outside, buying out the opportune time for yourselves.  Let YOUR utterance be always with graciousness, seasoned with salt, so as to know how YOU ought to give an answer to each one." Col4:5
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The brain.

Your brain.

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