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Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is?

 
lemmik1900
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Thr commissioner and his son sound like gold plated sons of bitches. Lots of silver spoons are narcissistic as hell.
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I wonder how the commissioner would feel
with a lil visit to his house by the
Hell's Angels ???
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Good point. Maybe a few Harley's with some leathered up HA members burning wheelies through the commisioners house would make him see how unsensible he has been.
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They thought you would roll over and play dead.

Show them what a real Hell Hound is.
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God! I'm so proud of you, OP. And not just for the organic garden.

Good for you for standing up against rotten US politics no matter what level they are on!
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Wow, what a scandal! Those guys sound like A1 PRICKS...Best of luck to you OP!
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09/25/2012 11:38 PM
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You have to be very careful because social media and libel laws are a grey area and it sounds like your Commissioner knows how to play the game. You wouldn't want to say anything that could bite you in the ass.

People get carried away on twitter. If the media gets involved and it becomes a public issue, you might be tempted to post regular updates. Don't get into a mud slinging match.

Since he's a public figure, the best thing is to come up with a catch phrase that the media will latch onto...and he'll forever be attached to this garden scandal.
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good advice
- heed it

best wishes for you
keep us posted and you Christians reading this can pray for OP too to have victory of the powers of darkness that want to control us like this - that satan comes in many forms and this is just one of them
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09/25/2012 11:41 PM
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OP - contact the editors of Mother Earth News and Organic Gardening magazines - they LOVE these kind of stories and have gotten involved in helping people like yourself.

God bless and may your garden last many many years!

Please keep us updated here, and remember to contact those editors...
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Take pictures of his license plate.


Rent the same car he has and print out a picture of his license plate so you can tape it over the one on the rental.

Now it looks like his car and license plate.

Drive through every red light camera you can find.

Go to shady areas where drug dealers and hookers hang out.....


Play his game. He wants to play dirty then play dirty.

Put a locking gas cap on his car and super glue his windshield wipers down.

Pay for strippers to show up to his house when his wife is home. Have them call his house when she is home....take pictures of different women in the rental car with his license plate.

He will be so busy with his wife busting his balls he won't have time to fuck with you.


Christ man, use your fucking brain and take the fight to him.
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Don't give those bastards a dime

Good luck OP!!!!!!
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Power to the people!
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Take pictures of his license plate.


Rent the same car he has and print out a picture of his license plate so you can tape it over the one on the rental.

Now it looks like his car and license plate.

Drive through every red light camera you can find.

Go to shady areas where drug dealers and hookers hang out.....


Play his game. He wants to play dirty then play dirty.

Put a locking gas cap on his car and super glue his windshield wipers down.

Pay for strippers to show up to his house when his wife is home. Have them call his house when she is home....take pictures of different women in the rental car with his license plate.

He will be so busy with his wife busting his balls he won't have time to fuck with you.


Christ man, use your fucking brain and take the fight to him.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


LOL WOW
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Sounds like its time you fill up ah super soaker
With grass killer and spray your commissioner yard.

After this goes public might wanna run against him next election.
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You have to be very careful because social media and libel laws are a grey area and it sounds like your Commissioner knows how to play the game. You wouldn't want to say anything that could bite you in the ass.

People get carried away on twitter. If the media gets involved and it becomes a public issue, you might be tempted to post regular updates. Don't get into a mud slinging match.

Since he's a public figure, the best thing is to come up with a catch phrase that the media will latch onto...and he'll forever be attached to this garden scandal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8988517


the garden gestapo.... that ought to do it...tounge
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Take pictures of his license plate.


Rent the same car he has and print out a picture of his license plate so you can tape it over the one on the rental.

Now it looks like his car and license plate.

Drive through every red light camera you can find.

Go to shady areas where drug dealers and hookers hang out.....


Play his game. He wants to play dirty then play dirty.

Put a locking gas cap on his car and super glue his windshield wipers down.

Pay for strippers to show up to his house when his wife is home. Have them call his house when she is home....take pictures of different women in the rental car with his license plate.

He will be so busy with his wife busting his balls he won't have time to fuck with you.


Christ man, use your fucking brain and take the fight to him.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Wow, those are great ideas! Although, not entirely suitable for this scenario, but I may have to borrow those for future reference cool2

Remind me to never piss you off hf
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From what I’ve tasted of desire, I hold with those who favor fire.
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Hire an engineer, or two, asap, to document, prove
your case. Do it now. They may try to claim, if you wait too long, that whatever analysis you do is unreliable
due to amount of time between city compaints and whatever
data you present. Right now it's your word against theirs.
Get some independent pros involved. In the meantime get a video camera, time stamp it, do your own analysis, and start posting it. Take your battle to the court of public opinion, but you got to bring more than a good story.
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Take pictures of his license plate.


Rent the same car he has and print out a picture of his license plate so you can tape it over the one on the rental.

Now it looks like his car and license plate.

Drive through every red light camera you can find.

Go to shady areas where drug dealers and hookers hang out.....


Play his game. He wants to play dirty then play dirty.

Put a locking gas cap on his car and super glue his windshield wipers down.

Pay for strippers to show up to his house when his wife is home. Have them call his house when she is home....take pictures of different women in the rental car with his license plate.

He will be so busy with his wife busting his balls he won't have time to fuck with you.


Christ man, use your fucking brain and take the fight to him.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


GENIUS! lol you're a funny guy
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Take pictures of his license plate.


Rent the same car he has and print out a picture of his license plate so you can tape it over the one on the rental.

Now it looks like his car and license plate.

Drive through every red light camera you can find.

Go to shady areas where drug dealers and hookers hang out.....


Play his game. He wants to play dirty then play dirty.

Put a locking gas cap on his car and super glue his windshield wipers down.

Pay for strippers to show up to his house when his wife is home. Have them call his house when she is home....take pictures of different women in the rental car with his license plate.

He will be so busy with his wife busting his balls he won't have time to fuck with you.


Christ man, use your fucking brain and take the fight to him.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


LOL I love it that would make a great movie script
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MY tomato plants told me to tell you "Good Luck!!"
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rofl
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I think you should purchase a bulldozer, google bulldozer rampage Colorado. The guy went ballistic because of city council goons acting like a monarchy.

hf
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Go after his job. That's a voted in position. Shouldn't be hard to show voters the political bullying you've been subjected to. The little people aka voters hate bullies in high positions. Would probably vote for you next election.
Also, see if your local news has an investigative team.
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I'm pulling for ya!!!!!! Stick to your guns!!
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*This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.*

So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication.

The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition.

It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source.

We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame.

So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations.

It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
 Quoting: Kalivar


. . . i think where the drain is located is property that is sort of like belonging to the Government, Electric Comapany etc. but you still have to pay taxes on it and maintain it. You own out to the center of the street.

Is the garden interrupting the flow of water into the drain? If so youarenot properly maintaining that portion of property. You might want to get someone that knows about drainage/concrete work to build curbbing or something that will control and direct the flow of water into the drain (should cost less than a sidewalk) . . . Youare then maintaining that property.

Remember to say itis the water that needed the curbbing. Donot say it was the garden. Actually i donot think you can plant anything on that right-of-way . . . some towns do allow planting trees etc, as long as they are 3 feet back from the sidewalk etc.

A doctor's note may help you to keep the garden due to itis being used for health/illness.
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Fight fire with more fire....
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go all through the town and dump packets of jello in the drains

would be nice if you could the same to their toilets
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Take pictures of his license plate.


Rent the same car he has and print out a picture of his license plate so you can tape it over the one on the rental.

Now it looks like his car and license plate.

Drive through every red light camera you can find.

Go to shady areas where drug dealers and hookers hang out.....


Play his game. He wants to play dirty then play dirty.

Put a locking gas cap on his car and super glue his windshield wipers down.

Pay for strippers to show up to his house when his wife is home. Have them call his house when she is home....take pictures of different women in the rental car with his license plate.

He will be so busy with his wife busting his balls he won't have time to fuck with you.


Christ man, use your fucking brain and take the fight to him.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Damn man, glad we are friends.
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I would imagine if the newspaper runs it and/or any TV they will cave in. You still have a tree problem though. The trick is this....one gallon of antifreeze at the base of each tree and NOTHING WILL GROW THERE FOR YEARS...It's one of the most poisonous liquids on the planet!
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*This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.*

So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication.

The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition.

It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source.

We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame.

So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations.

It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
 Quoting: Kalivar


Believe me...they are scared ghosts who know they are in legion with the devil. When you turn the light on them and show them who they are...they usually running screaming from the sight of their own ugliness.

Ready to stand in truth with you brother!
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There are some great ideas in this thread, but don't do damage or you will get screwed.

GARDEN GESTAPO. PERFECT!!!

Like has been said, get a private engineer out there to survey your yard. You may actually be in violation, and if you fix it now before you take them to court, then it will be a done deal and they will drop it.

As far as the fines, send it to them in pennies. Rolled up pennies. I did this to a phone company back when the mobiles first started and they billed me for calls to China(that I didn't make). It cost more to ship the payment than the actual payment,but it only took two payments( and they were not full) and I never got another bill. Never showed up on my credit either.
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I would imagine if the newspaper runs it and/or any TV they will cave in. You still have a tree problem though. The trick is this....one gallon of antifreeze at the base of each tree and NOTHING WILL GROW THERE FOR YEARS...It's one of the most poisonous liquids on the planet!
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Yep, and do you eat lots of ice cream?

The human race is so lost, why hurt innocent trees because of the actions of man.

Just sell the property and move somewhere better where you can re-establish your garden. Hard work, yes, but it will keep you fit and busy.
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