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i never ever post on glp, but seems as 80% of the work has been done look up the commercial default process. you have them more or less on estoppal by aquiescence - by falling silent they agree that there is no proof lol.

gl and dont let the fuckers get away with such bullshit.
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TL;DR. Who is your neighbor?
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OP, is the storm drain on the left side of the photograph you posted?
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Give the guys at Rule of Law Radio a call. They'll know what to do:

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try to do a better job blending in. seek out a place populated by like minded people. a lightly populated food producing, farming area for instance.

you can't go far by competing with your environment, better to compliment it. understand that everyone does not see things the same as you. that's why it's you should seek out and associate with those that share your outlook.

relocate to a place where your garden and your gardening skills will be appreciated rather than ostracized.
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*This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.*

So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication.

The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition.

It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source.

We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame.

So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations.

It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
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I don't know if you paid them or not. I hope not, but what I would do in this situation is only communicate via mail, or email. So you have a record of actual conversations. Also FOIA request everything related to this. Local government don't like to deal with these, but they're required to. If they don't respond you have a much bigger case. You have to be specific, so for example. I would like to foia request all the commissioners email that is relating to my property. I'm sure we all know who the anonymous source is, you also need to foia the complaint to get that.
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Your outline of what happened was very clear and reasonable, I hope it reaches the right ears and shames the people responsible.

Keep at it, you are the innocently wronged party. YOU ARE INNOCENT.
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If this is in New Jersey, it doesn't matter if you're innocent or not.

If they find you innocent by some miracle, they charge you for "court costs" that usually wind up being more than the fine.
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Lovely garden

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take a baseball bat, and beat his son and the father

firstly check how long is the jail term for beating up with a baseball bat !

cant be more than 6 months

but make sure to break their legs and arms

thats how i would sort this problem
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*This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.*

So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication.

The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition.

It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source.

We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame.

So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations.

It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
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Don't pay it and continue with your garden. They will back down if what you say is correct.
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You can't fight city hall!
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. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
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Sue them and expose it via every news outlet possible. That's all you can do to fight back.

It's ridiculous and horrible. So sorry they are doing this to you OP.

I hope you win! People should have the right to grow their own food. This is ridiculous!

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OP. Look up "commercial liens" and serve them on both the commissioner and his son.

That will change their attitude about your garden REAL quick........
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The enemy of your enemy is your friend. Contact the EPA about the contamination from excess runoff water that the city is discharging during rains. Go to city hall and ask to see their discharge permit. Our city is actually encouraging green water retention devices such as bamboo fields and gardens like yours to slow the flow of runoff and to help cleanse the water before it goes into the drain system. The EPA will fine them alot more than you'll ever pay.
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Thanks for all of the responses. I just got in from a late night overtime call at work, so i could not respond sooner. I am located in Pennsylvania near Philadelphia. I will post the link to the news article when it comes out. I will also put up some links so people can see the garden I am talking about.

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that garden isn't blocking anything. what total assholes some beings can be.
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*This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.*

So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication.

The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition.

It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source.

We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame.

So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations.

It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
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Countersue the town and tell them that the trees that they planted are consuming more rainwater than the garden so the trees need to be ripped out since they are stealing rainwater from your property and make it clear that this is deliberate malicious theft. Also the trees will be obstructing your right to light which pre-existed the planting of the trees. Again malicious intent on their part. Next get a lawyer to sue the commissioner for time and mental abuse.

Hopefully people on the forum will help you against this prick.
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"on my property"

Not in America
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In 1 to 5 years from now.....they will hide you in funny farm......to follow the law.
In 6 to 8 years from now ...... police will be beating you up untill you submit.
In 9to 11 years from now you will have to send your wife or child to your local landlord for weekend "activities"..for permission to have a garden by. Your hut.


What was name of that hero that shot half of city council and half of police department before they "forced" him of his land by river?
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take a baseball bat, and beat his son and the father

firstly check how long is the jail term for beating up with a baseball bat !

cant be more than 6 months

but make sure to break their legs and arms

thats how i would sort this problem
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If he "over do it" is it legal to use them as compost to save the enviromet and feed protected bugs that will feed protected birds that protect protected trees from being killed by protected tree eating bugs?
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Got a house on hundred acres
I’ve never seen my neighbors.......

like a boss
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Your mistake is trying to deal with this yourself.

When you got the first letter in the mail about this you should have contacted an attorney and let him handle it for you. The attorney would have been much cheaper than the battle that you are about to wage and will have to hire an attorney and worry about fines and worse.

Contact an attorney stat so that all of your efforts are legally documented.
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You expect them to be reasonable. Forget it. You need legal help stat.
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Save a large amount of eggs and let them age in a warm spot and hand them out to your nice neighbors and have a Rotten Egg Protest on the front lawn of your wonderful pissed off neighbor.
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It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for.
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Funny first of this week noticed a big ole rezoning sign..all on the up an up of course... pass by this place numerous times during the week.. Matter of fact been watching the place for some time. Any how the sign said public notice: planning commission meets for rezoning of this property/ problem with this was the meeting date was 9/17th.. They put the sign up a week AFTER this date.

Remember its' not what you know, it's who you know or related to..
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Your mistake is trying to deal with this yourself.

When you got the first letter in the mail about this you should have contacted an attorney and let him handle it for you. The attorney would have been much cheaper than the battle that you are about to wage and will have to hire an attorney and worry about fines and worse.

Contact an attorney stat so that all of your efforts are legally documented.
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If he contacted the attorney, it would have been far far worse. These lawyers will make a huge big mess out of nothing for no reason but their own egos, on both sides. I deal with city bureaucrats all the time, they will run you over with their own lawyers. They all have joint lawyers with other cities, so they end up with an army of lawyers and technicians/inspectors that will chew you out and spit you out of the system. What you really need to do is hire an actual professional engineer yourself, a testing lab, have them actually get a report with real numbers and then have them try to argue against the real numbers. They won't know what to do and they won't find someone to risk their career over stupid shit like this. After that, THEN, you can get a lawyer. With these city bureaucrats, you have to deal with them this way.
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Please post the full name of the neighbors who are moving against you on this matter who are the commissioner and Son and we will collectively bring this to the attention of God and then you can keep us updated.

Also let these two individuals know their names are on this thread where the Nobody reads...

Thank you kindly,
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100% YOUR NEIGHBOURS ARE JEWISH.

100%
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Every mayor, comptroller, & "town official"in this sorry shithole of a state is a filthy corrupt evil subhuman piece of dung. Kill 'em all.
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Thr commissioner and his son sound like gold plated sons of bitches. Lots of silver spoons are narcissistic as hell.
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The founding fathers would have HUNG cocksuckers like this.
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Or just burned there house to the ground at 3AM.
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Step 1: Pour and unnecessary amount of used motor oil in an inconspicuous spot in your neighbor's yard.

Step 2: Phone the EPA and tell them you've been watching your neighbor dump what looks to be like used motor oil because everything around it is dying.

Step 3: Enjoy the peace and quiet while your neighbor suffers endless fines and court dates.

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