Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? | |
last one I just don't give a fuck User ID: 3884091 United States 09/25/2012 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? If I'd known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.---Grandpa Rednecks, hillbillies, and cowboys will save the nation---me I dreamed I was drinkin', woke up and I was "we put our faith in maniacs"- Lemmy Kilmister |
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wishiwas User ID: 24425129 United States 09/25/2012 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? Best of luck to ya man. I'm so glad we do not live in the city. We can have bonfires whenever we want and put our gardens wherever we choose too. What dickweed statists you have in your city government. Make sure all your neighbors know what they've done so they can be called in as character witnesses. And they can publcly ridicule your commisioner. Justitiae soro Fides |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24431336 United States 09/25/2012 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? is this realy you kalivar? if so where are you at? it makes me sick to read stuff like this my first thought is that your in the wrong neighborhood but i do understand how much work you have put into a garden like you described and can understand not wanting to move (not like you should have to anyway) i had similar problems with neighbors long time ago and it cost me a fortune that was back in california im so glad im out of their now |
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LORIEN User ID: 13462834 United States 09/25/2012 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? *This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.* Quoting: Kalivar So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication. The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition. It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source. We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame. So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations. It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for. Damned right it is. Sounds like you are in New Jersey. It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for? |
Vision Thing User ID: 23462738 United States 09/25/2012 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? Your outline of what happened was very clear and reasonable, I hope it reaches the right ears and shames the people responsible. Keep at it, you are the innocently wronged party. YOU ARE INNOCENT. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24413181 United States 09/25/2012 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? I didn't stand up because I wasn't Russian when they came for the Christians I didn't stand up because I wasn't Christian when they came for the garden owner ........ |
weasel keeper User ID: 15395274 United States 09/25/2012 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? Get as many neighbors involved as you can, that's where the voting block is, you need to get rid of this nazi "comissioner" and the news coverage will help, as long as they're committed to your side, you may or may not know if the news media will be on your side! The left wing pricks will oftentimes take the governments side! Good luck and be careful, stay on your toes. Wild Weasels? You've got to be shitting me! |
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warriorsbond User ID: 24395869 United States 09/25/2012 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? *This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.* Quoting: Kalivar So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication. The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition. It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source. We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame. So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations. It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for. do you have a facebook or twitter link with this so I can share it? to get the word out more to other peeps? |
hcc Deplorable CatRWall User ID: 6493463 United States 09/25/2012 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? *This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.* Quoting: Kalivar So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication. The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition. It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source. We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame. So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations. It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for. Wow that sounds a lot like MY town. Like you, we have a commissioner who lives in our neighborhood. Like you, we find that certain things "come to the attention of" the town personnel from time to time. It's home cookin' all the way, as they say. |
Marax User ID: 24228329 United States 09/25/2012 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? Got some pics OP? I gotta see this.... Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. I'd like to go quietly in my sleep, like grandpa did. Not screaming in terror like the people in the back seat of the car he was driving. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19199109 United States 09/25/2012 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? when they came for the Russians Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24413181 I didn't stand up because I wasn't Russian when they came for the Christians I didn't stand up because I wasn't Christian when they came for the garden owner ........ Lol. How about this. When they came for human lives... I didn't stand up because... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24422596 United Kingdom 09/25/2012 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? keep all the paper work and record any phone call you make, note down dates and witnesses. keep the envelopes with the date stamp of the 10 day old letters. ask which neighbours would be willing to testify for you and get their contact details. keep it all in a folder and make a copy to store at another location. it always helps, if you've got your shit together. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24434701 United States 09/25/2012 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? *This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.* Quoting: Kalivar So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy............. Oprah? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17807051 United States 09/25/2012 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? GLP POWER!!!! POST the number of the commissioner and how about all GLPers phone and file a complaint or something..... Public pressure might work. Keep calling and demand answers. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8988517 United States 09/25/2012 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? You have to be very careful because social media and libel laws are a grey area and it sounds like your Commissioner knows how to play the game. You wouldn't want to say anything that could bite you in the ass. People get carried away on twitter. If the media gets involved and it becomes a public issue, you might be tempted to post regular updates. Don't get into a mud slinging match. Since he's a public figure, the best thing is to come up with a catch phrase that the media will latch onto...and he'll forever be attached to this garden scandal. |
Captain Spaulding User ID: 24298958 United States 09/25/2012 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? Throw some pot seeds in their yards and call the feds, DEA or another law enforcement agency and snitch on their operation. Tell them you've seen kids coming to their doors and leaving with shopping bags full of something. And you think they planted the trees to hide something. And make sure the local papers show up the day the authorities are at their homes jut to put some icing on the cake. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24435451 United States 09/25/2012 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Township fines me $5000, claiming my garden blocks rainwater from getting to my own sewer on my property. Guess who my neighbor is? *This story will be in a major newspaper tomorrow where I live.* Quoting: Kalivar So, 3 years ago I built a pretty expansive garden on my property. I have grown just about everything. In that time, I have been able to loose over 85 pounds and get my life back on track, living a much healthier lifestyle. I was tired of being fat and unhealthy and decided that planting my own food was the best approach at changing my life. Through my garden, my mother was able to help nearly cure her diabetes after i convinced her to start eating food that i grew from my garden. Today she is off of all of her insulin and diabetic medication. The problem? My neighbor just happens to be the commissioner in my town. My other neighbor, just happens to be his son. They have made it fairly public that they hate my garden. After i went door to door and had an overwhelming majority of people who live on my street sign a chicken petition, things started to take a curious turn. So curious that my commissioner neighbor and he son, purchased over 40 trees and planted them all in a line right along my property fence to block my garden. He then had the audacity to question my neighbors and ask them why they signed my chicken petition. It's a long story, but to keep it short, the township sent me a letter claiming that my garden was restricting rainwater from reaching a sewer grate located on my property. We live at the bottom of a hill, so this could never physically be true. The township cites that this water restriction had been, "brought to their attention", by an unnamed source. We sent certified letters to the township asking for proof that our garden blocks rainwater, and we also asked for proof of the complaint that was called into them. The township ignored our requests and failed to respond to any of our letters. After some time had passed, we received a letter from the township stating that if we did not remove or relocate our garden, they would begin fining us. They township code officer told us we had 7 days to respond to his letter. So, we called his office to talk to him, and what a coincidence, he just happened to go on vacation, so that we could not respond to him in the allotted time frame. So, we ended up calling and talking to the township administrator. After a lengthy debate the township finally conceded and agreed to send an engineer to evaluate our property to prove what they were saying was true. Guess what? The engineer never came, the township never contacted us and on one fine day we received an envelope in the mail with 3 fines for nearly 700 each claiming that we were in violation for restricting/obstructing stormwater. The citations read that we had 10 days to respond and plead not guilty. Guess what? One of our citations were already 10 days old on the day that we received them. On the very next day, we received 4 more citations for again nearly 700 a piece claiming the same violations. It still amazes me that this is the world we live in sometimes. People who hold positions of office just do whatever they want. They ignore laws and act as if they can get away with anything they want. Well, i decided to call every newspaper and television news station in my area. One newspaper is running the story tomorrow, and a second one just sent their photographer. I've had tv stations call me back and I am hoping it makes the evening news. At this point, we are going to have to get a lawyer. I know some of you could care less about an organic garden. But for me, this is about a whole lot more, such as property rights and personal freedom. And those two things are worth fighting for. Yeah, Baby! Give em hell!!! |