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Is "Lucifer" the light bringer the real God and have all christians been corrupted into worshiping a false god

 
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Is "Lucifer" the light bringer the real God and have all christians been corrupted into worshiping a false god
Face it,how much you pray does not seem to count.
Did the church subvert divinity and create a false "god" that christians can worship?
control of power and politics and the masses that believe in such a facade seems to be the order of the day.
the "Light Bringer " seems to have a subtle ring of truth about it.
I am not saying anyone should do dark and nasty deeds but just thhink about it ...what is in a name?
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the cathars thought so
until they were exterminated by the church
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in a nutshell.......

TRUE GNOSTICISM
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He is called the star of the morning, the ruler of this world, the God of this age, so we should worship him as such.
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more idiots that will happily worship the AntiChrist and gleefully take his mark
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the cathars thought so
until they were exterminated by the church
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Fascinating, I am reading more about the Cathars, very interesting but it clinches it doesn't it. A tool derived by man to have control over man.
put a label on it and you will be labelled. (at least that is what the person who works in the laundry told me).
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correct
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more idiots that will happily worship the AntiChrist and gleefully take his mark
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Might as well get something out of it, before you are tossed into hell.
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even most christian music has Satanic and demonic subliminals wat does that tell u ?
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I still love my god of love
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I wouldn't worship either side of the same coin.
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Yess you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
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Yes you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
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it is important to distinguish between the 'god of this world' and the benevolent benefactor.. by meditation with even a moderate amount of seriousness.. one can realize is existant, but is in a state of absolute disconnect, or nearly so..

to the gnostic this would be the aeons.

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Yes you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
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it is important to distinguish between the 'god of this world' and the benevolent benefactor.. by meditation with even a moderate amount of seriousness.. one can realize is existant, but is in a state of absolute disconnect, or nearly so..

to the gnostic this would be the aeons.
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the 'god of this world' in gnostic terms, is described as 'Archon'

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yhwh ain't god.

god ain't a concept.

it's the feeling, . .
get it, . .dig it.
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Re: Is "Lucifer" the light bringer the real God and have all christians been corrupted into worshiping a false god
Face it,how much you pray does not seem to count.
Did the church subvert divinity and create a false "god" that christians can worship?
control of power and politics and the masses that believe in such a facade seems to be the order of the day.
the "Light Bringer " seems to have a subtle ring of truth about it.
I am not saying anyone should do dark and nasty deeds but just thhink about it ...what is in a name?
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LUCIFER AND CHRIST

There is a tradition which names Lucifer, the archangel who revolted against God, the brother of
Christ. It says that when Lucifer was thrown from Heaven, during the fall he lost the emerald
which adorned his forehead. And from this emerald which fell to earth was fashioned the cup in
which Joseph of Arimathea collected Jesus’ blood at the crucifixion. It is this cup that became
the Holy Grail, a symbol that has played a great role in the history of Christianity. The initiates
who established this relationship between Lucifer and Christ wanted to teach us that good and
evil are two poles of one and the same reality: of God Himself. (APRIIL 21, 2000)

Christian tradition depicts a human being as accompanied all his life by an angel on his right and
a devil on his left. The angel gives him good advice and enlightens him while, on the other side,
the devil tries to mislead him so that he may become its victim. One may ask why angel and
devil are content to remain quietly beside people, why do they not spring at each other’s throat.
It would be simpler and the winner would seize the poor fellow concerned. But no, they do not
fight, they have respect and esteem for one another, they even greet each other: ‘Good day,
here you are, how are you?’ The devil does not attack the angel of light, nor does the angel
strike down the devil. Why? Because in reality the guardian angel and the devil are images that
express two realities: a superior and an inferior world; the divine nature and primitive nature.
These two natures coexist in man and it is up to each one to decide which of the two natures he
wants to express. (AUGUST 15, 2001)

Someone who believes he can evade his responsibilities and obligations in order to taste the
delights of an easier life is not aware of the strict laws that govern destiny. A woman thinks, ‘My
husband is such a boring man! I want to find another one, more entertaining, more amusing.’
She finds one and abandons her husband, who obviously suffers from this situation. But soon
her second husband will perhaps make her suffer even more.

It is not absolutely forbidden to leave a husband or wife, but you must not do so before you have
resolved at least the problem with the first partner. And this is true in all situations. You think it is
easy to sever a bond, break an agreement or abandon a responsibility. What seems easy at first
sight is in reality extremely difficult and vice versa. If you accept the difficulties, you will feel
unsuspected energies rising within you and the Lord will send angels to help you. But if you
choose the easy way, you will still have angels as companions, but another type of angel ... the
angels of justice. (AUGUST 24, 2001)

By moving away from the divine Source, human beings continually stray onto the dark and
tortuous paths of life. And to justify their aberrations, they claim that ‘there is no accounting for
taste’, by which they mean that everyone has their own particular madness and that they are
entitled to give in to all the eccentricities their madness can come up with. No, there is one
standard for taste: What is truly good, righteous and beautiful for everyone. We must always
choose what is pure, luminous and divine, what brings you closer to the world above and there
not only is your choice infinite, but you are free at the same time. The universe is inhabited by a
multitude of angels and archangels, and cosmic Intelligence will not only not reproach you for
having chosen one angel over another, but you will be able to stay with him for as long as you
like. However, cosmic Intelligence will reproach you for having chosen a demon.
(OCTOBER 25, 2002)

The fact that there was a serpent in the Garden of Eden means that other creatures existed
before Adam and Eve. These creatures belonged to the angelic hierarchy which had been sent
to earth to carry our certain tasks. Some of these beings chose not to return to God once they
had done their work. They thought they could get along without Him, and as they were free to
choose, they decided to stay on earth. This was the fault of what we call the ‘rebellious angels’:
to turn their backs on the divine Source and choose a life of independence. It was because of
this separation, because of the distance between them and God that they had became demons.
They retained all their knowledge but they lost contact with divine love. These creatures formed
an egregore and it was this egregore, symbolized by the serpent, what surrounded the Tree of
the Knowledge of good and evil. (DECEMBER 9, 1995)


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kinda, but the christians decieved themselves because they try to project their perspectives on a science that they are not ready to understand.
god is 1 not two and all is connected. our minds create duality in order to interpet information to build belief systems that keep us feeling safe at night.
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kinda, but the christians decieved themselves because they try to project their perspectives on a science that they are not ready to understand.
god is 1 not two and all is connected. our minds create duality in order to interpet information to build belief systems that keep us feeling safe at night.
Idol1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23428390


try to not diefy an eternal being..

just worship 'processes of nature'

do not diefy satan, lucifer, etc.

also, aeon is not the same as yahweh.

also, I am not a christian I am a gnostic.

also, to ac's 1391487 20038932 12566526 11195353 16480403
..try to flip a page in a book once in a great while..
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Think about the posit that Christianity was created around 320 AD and confirmed at the council of nicene. Before that the believers in Yahushua were 'followers of the way' and kept the Torah of YHWH.

Lucifer was not particularly happy about this situation so he caused christianity to worship Ga-zeus, later to become the jesus of western christianity.

Christianity is an amalgam of the Mithratic, Cybele and Isis sects of roman paganism blended into the Marcion corrupted Paulian concept of grace ("all things are permissible").

25th December is Mithra's birthday, celibate priesthoods are Cybelian and the 'Trinity' of Isis Horus Seth (IHS) give us the bare bones of christian belief
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Re: Is "Lucifer" the light bringer the real God and have all christians been corrupted into worshiping a false god
Face it,how much you pray does not seem to count.
Did the church subvert divinity and create a false "god" that christians can worship?
control of power and politics and the masses that believe in such a facade seems to be the order of the day.
the "Light Bringer " seems to have a subtle ring of truth about it.
I am not saying anyone should do dark and nasty deeds but just thhink about it ...what is in a name?
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VERY simple answer.

THE WHOLE STORY IS A LIE!

Social manipulation
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Think about the posit that Christianity was created around 320 AD and confirmed at the council of nicene. Before that the believers in Yahushua were 'followers of the way' and kept the Torah of YHWH.

Lucifer was not particularly happy about this situation so he caused christianity to worship Ga-zeus, later to become the jesus of western christianity.

Christianity is an amalgam of the Mithratic, Cybele and Isis sects of roman paganism blended into the Marcion corrupted Paulian concept of grace ("all things are permissible").

25th December is Mithra's birthday, celibate priesthoods are Cybelian and the 'Trinity' of Isis Horus Seth (IHS) give us the bare bones of christian belief
 Quoting: Taruwah


yes, but what is the difference if you are going to deify 'lucifer' or satan?

you are still deifying something, an eternal being..

do you think the end result will be better?..

best not to deify eternal beings..

so they exist.. are they displyaing higher intelligence than us? no!

if you are going to worship, just worship these beautiful processes, do not worship eternal beings, or celestial bodies..

processes in nature..
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Woah, who are you to say that 'our prayers seem to be be answered'? I used to have sleep paralysis/demon attacks for years, 20 a month on average at the peak of that in life. After 3-4 years of attacks, I called out on Jesus one day and repented.

I went to sleep without an incident and then woke up the next day. Well this time I got pulled 'into' that state of possession before going to sleep. I saw demons everywhere like normal trying to attack -you'll heard it before- and I started screaming out to Jesus. I stayed in that state screaming for what seemed like 10 seconds of 'real time' which feels like hours really but somehow feels short once I've broken out of it.

So I thought that God ignored me. But then a couple days went without an experience, then a week, then a month. I had been having countless inside just a month before, and it stopped. It has been about 9 months, and I have yet to experience that 'state' ever again. My house seems more peaceful, especially my room. It is NO coincidence whatsoever. In a 9 months time by average I would have experienced well over 150 'possessions'. Not a SINGLE incident.

I don't even comment that much, but when topics like this come up it's really quite sad.
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Woah, who are you to say that 'our prayers seem to be be answered'? I used to have sleep paralysis/demon attacks for years, 20 a month on average at the peak of that in life. After 3-4 years of attacks, I called out on Jesus one day and repented.

I went to sleep without an incident and then woke up the next day. Well this time I got pulled 'into' that state of possession before going to sleep. I saw demons everywhere like normal trying to attack -you'll heard it before- and I started screaming out to Jesus. I stayed in that state screaming for what seemed like 10 seconds of 'real time' which feels like hours really but somehow feels short once I've broken out of it.

So I thought that God ignored me. But then a couple days went without an experience, then a week, then a month. I had been having countless inside just a month before, and it stopped. It has been about 9 months, and I have yet to experience that 'state' ever again. My house seems more peaceful, especially my room. It is NO coincidence whatsoever. In a 9 months time by average I would have experienced well over 150 'possessions'. Not a SINGLE incident.

I don't even comment that much, but when topics like this come up it's really quite sad.
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I meant 'never seem to be answered'
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there have been and still is many false gods

all wanting to rule, to be worshiped, to have power/control

in this reality they have been throwing the dices
setting up the gameplay
world upside down
so has there also been many fake images about lucifer
astral images used to control


the truth about lucifer, is a story yet to be told
Truth and Love...
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Belzebub = Jesus = Lucifer = Antichrist = Obama = Christ = Nobody = Love = BS = Gnosticism = MK Ultra = Dogs piss everywhere I go
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FUCK YOU TOO chuckle
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Woah, who are you to say that 'our prayers seem to be be answered'? I used to have sleep paralysis/demon attacks for years, 20 a month on average at the peak of that in life. After 3-4 years of attacks, I called out on Jesus one day and repented.

I went to sleep without an incident and then woke up the next day. Well this time I got pulled 'into' that state of possession before going to sleep. I saw demons everywhere like normal trying to attack -you'll heard it before- and I started screaming out to Jesus. I stayed in that state screaming for what seemed like 10 seconds of 'real time' which feels like hours really but somehow feels short once I've broken out of it.

So I thought that God ignored me. But then a couple days went without an experience, then a week, then a month. I had been having countless inside just a month before, and it stopped. It has been about 9 months, and I have yet to experience that 'state' ever again. My house seems more peaceful, especially my room. It is NO coincidence whatsoever. In a 9 months time by average I would have experienced well over 150 'possessions'. Not a SINGLE incident.

I don't even comment that much, but when topics like this come up it's really quite sad.
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I meant 'never seem to be answered'
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That is wonderful news!

Thank you for sharing your healing experience.

peace,
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The name Lucifer is a bad translation; do your research!
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When asked his name in the Bible, God reveals himself as "I Am That I Am".

This name for constant for awakened people throughout history from Jesus to Nisargadatta Maharaj.

You can go dream of Lucifer all you want but, in reality, the truth of God(I Am That I Am) is always inside of you.

All you need to do is be silent and listen.

When the illusion of ego finally passes away, the reality of God reveals itself.
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We really do not know God. He is far away waiting for us at death. He cares not for these frail human bodies nor for the pitiful exploits of man. Only the spirit. All souls are to be saved, even the evil ones. Because the guilty do things as if in a dream, their conscience is silent. When you almost die, you realize the truth. God is far from us. Lucifer is close to us. Lucifer, being an angel, tries to lead us to live a good life by commandments set down in the Old Testament. He, un
Ike God, is not merciful. He smites down souls who violate his law and takes them away from God. Remember that God decreed no angel shall interfere in the affairs of men. The reason that Lucifer and the fallen angels were cast out of God's presence. So, by true baptism, immersion in a body of water close to death, will one feel the presence of God. In the meantime, look into yourselves for evil that you bring to the world. Lucifer tries to shepherd, but his mercy is not. He will be the one to destroy the world by praying to God for vengeance against the sinners. To truly know God and Lucifer, you have to be pure and chaste. Sin, then you must repent and atone for your sins. Atoning is what sinners do worst. They do not make it up to the people they have wronged. They simply do not care. As for the demons, imagine a spirit so consumed by emotions that they think only of hatred and passion. They can be us if we do not control ourselves.

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