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Is "Lucifer" the light bringer the real God and have all christians been corrupted into worshiping a false god

 
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We really do not know God. He is far away waiting for us at death. He cares not for these frail human bodies nor for the pitiful exploits of man. Only the spirit. All souls are to be saved, even the evil ones. Because the guilty do things as if in a dream, their conscience is silent. When you almost die, you realize the truth. God is far from us. Lucifer is close to us. Lucifer, being an angel, tries to lead us to live a good life by commandments set down in the Old Testament. He, un
Ike God, is not merciful. He smites down souls who violate his law and takes them away from God. Remember that God decreed no angel shall interfere in the affairs of men. The reason that Lucifer and the fallen angels were cast out of God's presence. So, by true baptism, immersion in a body of water close to death, will one feel the presence of God. In the meantime, look into yourselves for evil that you bring to the world. Lucifer tries to shepherd, but his mercy is not. He will be the one to destroy the world by praying to God for vengeance against the sinners. To truly know God and Lucifer, you have to be pure and chaste. Sin, then you must repent and atone for your sins. Atoning is what sinners do worst. They do not make it up to the people they have wronged. They simply do not care. As for the demons, imagine a spirit so consumed by emotions that they think only of hatred and passion. They can be us if we do not control ourselves.
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Speak for yourself!

God is wonderful!! Not a supposed god written on a suppposed book of god!

GOD IS WONDERFUL!!!
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We really do not know God. He is far away waiting for us at death. He cares not for these frail human bodies nor for the pitiful exploits of man. Only the spirit. All souls are to be saved, even the evil ones. Because the guilty do things as if in a dream, their conscience is silent. When you almost die, you realize the truth. God is far from us. Lucifer is close to us. Lucifer, being an angel, tries to lead us to live a good life by commandments set down in the Old Testament. He, un
Ike God, is not merciful. He smites down souls who violate his law and takes them away from God. Remember that God decreed no angel shall interfere in the affairs of men. The reason that Lucifer and the fallen angels were cast out of God's presence. So, by true baptism, immersion in a body of water close to death, will one feel the presence of God. In the meantime, look into yourselves for evil that you bring to the world. Lucifer tries to shepherd, but his mercy is not. He will be the one to destroy the world by praying to God for vengeance against the sinners. To truly know God and Lucifer, you have to be pure and chaste. Sin, then you must repent and atone for your sins. Atoning is what sinners do worst. They do not make it up to the people they have wronged. They simply do not care. As for the demons, imagine a spirit so consumed by emotions that they think only of hatred and passion. They can be us if we do not control ourselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19217918


Speak for yourself!

God is wonderful!! Not a supposed god written on a suppposed book of god!

GOD IS WONDERFUL!!!
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And NO ANGEL NOR DEMON CAN COMPARE TO "HIM"!!!

All these Luciferians are is DUMB TRASH!
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This is a true story I am going to tell you. I promise you this is true.

I was trapped in a huge religion since I was 7, because my parents chose for me. The whole time, I thought something is wrong by the way they judged everyone. I saw how they elevated the leaders of the church more than GOD.

They don't like members asking too many questions and treat the religion as GOD's own mouthpiece mother on earth. In fact they called the Organization "Mother." You have to give an oath to it if you want to be baptised.

I saw it as apostacy, and started staying home more and more, and distanced myself from the religion. This alerted them that I was a marked one, a weak link in the religion and was now called a dissassociated one. They treat them the same as the world. Friends and family began ignoring me, and shunning me.

Around The same time, I wen't to the Father in prayer and cried to the Father and said I was sorry for leaving HIM and following men and no matter what, I cannot ever go back there. I asked the Father to send me Wisdom from Him, and to forgive me and that I was letting it all go and even if the family and friends hated me for this, HE was worth it to me.


As soon as I said this prayer...I heard a nasty mocker voice yell at me with a snarling hissy fit voice...

"WHAT DID THEY EVER DO TO YOU!!!!"

Then I heard hard shoes walking on a tile floor that echoed across the room, and there was a long pause, and then the door slammed so loud I jumped."

My whole life, I never once heard the Father till I left religion, and now that I saw through all the Bull---- of it all, someone was angry I had figured this out.

My daughter was 4 at the time. The next morning..she comes running into my room, jumps on my bed all happy and told me she had a message from the Angel on the white horse.

She was in heaven in the dream, and there was a porthole that opened, and out came a white horse and rider and other horses with riders. She said it was GOD talking to her. He has hair that was white,and had the most beautiful eyes. She kept talking about his eyes...how beautiful they were.

He told her that she was to go and tell mommy how happy they are with her, and that they would be back one day to save us from the Lava.
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blasphemy!
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This is a true story I am going to tell you. I promise you this is true.

I was trapped in a huge religion since I was 7, because my parents chose for me. The whole time, I thought something is wrong by the way they judged everyone. I saw how they elevated the leaders of the church more than GOD.

They don't like members asking too many questions and treat the religion as GOD's own mouthpiece mother on earth. In fact they called the Organization "Mother." You have to give an oath to it if you want to be baptised.

I saw it as apostacy, and started staying home more and more, and distanced myself from the religion. This alerted them that I was a marked one, a weak link in the religion and was now called a dissassociated one. They treat them the same as the world. Friends and family began ignoring me, and shunning me.

Around The same time, I wen't to the Father in prayer and cried to the Father and said I was sorry for leaving HIM and following men and no matter what, I cannot ever go back there. I asked the Father to send me Wisdom from Him, and to forgive me and that I was letting it all go and even if the family and friends hated me for this, HE was worth it to me.


As soon as I said this prayer...I heard a nasty mocker voice yell at me with a snarling hissy fit voice...

"WHAT DID THEY EVER DO TO YOU!!!!"

Then I heard hard shoes walking on a tile floor that echoed across the room, and there was a long pause, and then the door slammed so loud I jumped."

My whole life, I never once heard the Father till I left religion, and now that I saw through all the Bull---- of it all, someone was angry I had figured this out.

My daughter was 4 at the time. The next morning..she comes running into my room, jumps on my bed all happy and told me she had a message from the Angel on the white horse.

She was in heaven in the dream, and there was a porthole that opened, and out came a white horse and rider and other horses with riders. She said it was GOD talking to her. He has hair that was white,and had the most beautiful eyes. She kept talking about his eyes...how beautiful they were.

He told her that she was to go and tell mommy how happy they are with her, and that they would be back one day to save us from the Lava.
 Quoting: Kathryn 10750949


Another one set free from the spirit of religion and his buddies. Stories of people turning to the Father alone warm my heart.
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Yes you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
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it is important to distinguish between the 'god of this world' and the benevolent benefactor.. by meditation with even a moderate amount of seriousness.. one can realize is existant, but is in a state of absolute disconnect, or nearly so..

to the gnostic this would be the aeons.
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the 'god of this world' in gnostic terms, is described as 'Archon'
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Close. The 'god of this world' is actually the Demiurge. The Archons are his minions.

I don't think God desires worship. Be who you are and don't let religion hold you back. You are not a slave.
I am a disciple of my mind.
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Face it,how much you pray does not seem to count.
Did the church subvert divinity and create a false "god" that christians can worship?
control of power and politics and the masses that believe in such a facade seems to be the order of the day.
the "Light Bringer " seems to have a subtle ring of truth about it.
I am not saying anyone should do dark and nasty deeds but just thhink about it ...what is in a name?
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Lucifer is DEAD, he was removed 2000 years ago, placed in heaven's jail, tried earlier this century, is chose his uncreation.

That said, yes the church has subverted everything and Christians worship the antichrist ones.
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Yes you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20038932


it is important to distinguish between the 'god of this world' and the benevolent benefactor.. by meditation with even a moderate amount of seriousness.. one can realize is existant, but is in a state of absolute disconnect, or nearly so..

to the gnostic this would be the aeons.
 Quoting: Aikan


the 'god of this world' in gnostic terms, is described as 'Archon'
 Quoting: Aikan


Close. The 'god of this world' is actually the Demiurge. The Archons are his minions.

I don't think God desires worship. Be who you are and don't let religion hold you back. You are not a slave.
 Quoting: flashlight


But in reality, it is not Yadabolah, who is the god of this world.

The God of this world is GOD.

This is not a failed creation.
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it is important to distinguish between the 'god of this world' and the benevolent benefactor.. by meditation with even a moderate amount of seriousness.. one can realize is existant, but is in a state of absolute disconnect, or nearly so..

to the gnostic this would be the aeons.
 Quoting: Aikan


the 'god of this world' in gnostic terms, is described as 'Archon'
 Quoting: Aikan


Close. The 'god of this world' is actually the Demiurge. The Archons are his minions.

I don't think God desires worship. Be who you are and don't let religion hold you back. You are not a slave.
 Quoting: flashlight


But in reality, it is not Yadabolah, who is the god of this world.

The God of this world is GOD.

This is not a failed creation.
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Yaltabaoth/Yaldabaoth. Matter is a failed creation.
I am a disciple of my mind.
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Yess you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
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+1
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the 'god of this world' in gnostic terms, is described as 'Archon'
 Quoting: Aikan


Close. The 'god of this world' is actually the Demiurge. The Archons are his minions.

I don't think God desires worship. Be who you are and don't let religion hold you back. You are not a slave.
 Quoting: flashlight


But in reality, it is not Yadabolah, who is the god of this world.

The God of this world is GOD.

This is not a failed creation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642359


Yaltabaoth/Yaldabaoth. Matter is a failed creation.
 Quoting: flashlight


It is not! I saved me from their attacks! They are neurotic!

GOD IS NOT.
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No. The God of the Bible is the True Creator of all things.

Satan is the definition of deception. That's why all of his employees work in darkness.
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It is not! I saved me from their attacks! They are neurotic!

GOD IS NOT.
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Elaborate please.
I am a disciple of my mind.
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that's not even a name.
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It is not! I saved me from their attacks! They are neurotic!

GOD IS NOT.
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Elaborate please.
 Quoting: flashlight


Matter saved me from their attacks!

So matter is not flawed!

IT IS FROM GOD!
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yhwh ain't god.

god ain't a concept.

it's the feeling, . .
get it, . .dig it.
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Hell yea
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He is called the star of the morning, the ruler of this world, the God of this age, so we should worship him as such.
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why would you worship a dead being? He no long exists. You are to only worship SOURCE and most of you have not a clue on who Father/Source is.
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If the Devil is the greatest trickster, how do you know he isn't in Heaven pretending to be God right now?

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If the Devil is the greatest trickster, how do you know he isn't in Heaven pretending to be God right now?


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rockon
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It is not! I saved me from their attacks! They are neurotic!

GOD IS NOT.
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Elaborate please.
 Quoting: flashlight


Matter saved me from their attacks!

So matter is not flawed!

IT IS FROM GOD!
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Not good enough.
I am a disciple of my mind.
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It is not! I saved me from their attacks! They are neurotic!

GOD IS NOT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642359


Elaborate please.
 Quoting: flashlight


Matter saved me from their attacks!

So matter is not flawed!

IT IS FROM GOD!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642359


Not good enough.
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For you!

For me it was wonderful! Answered all the bullshit you people are discussing.
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Yess you are right. The Bible is full of reverse speaking. Lucifer is God the lightbringer and "God" is Satan.If you read the bible with a clear mind its beyond any doubt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20038932


Very true. Combine this with the direction this planet is heading with most major events such as wars being orchestrated based on False Flags (e.g. 9/11 and the hoax war on terror) which could be the very reasons the next major world war is launched on Iran (after another staged event) and the masses ignorance and belief that the aftermath of these staged FF i.e. war must happen cause the bible said so, even though common sense says they shouldn't. These people have pretty much denied their own spirit....their own soul in favour of what the bible says.

First of all, what faith has anyone got in their beliefs when deception and ignorance is a requirement to keep them true?

Secondly, if you extrapolate to the final outcome of where this planet is heading, if these staged events continue to pick up speed and they lead to the outcome of this jesus or god coming to save this planet, then he sure wont be saving the masses, who despite the evidence that is there is their faces that even though the powers have succeeded in accomplishing their agenda, their is no reason for the masses to believe in the grounds and well as the outcome of achieving those events. By believing in these events, the outcome and the grounds that bring them about, these people have been wilful accomplices in death and destruction of their fellow men and I'm sure even this jesus wont be saving you for this act. And if this jesus does manage to save you, then he is not the holy person as you've been led to believe and you are not only not going to end up in nowhere near heaven but you have wilfully sold your own soul out to whatever entity this jesus is.

Whichever way you look at it, ultimately, the bible is an agenda to divorce you from your conscience with these beliefs. Do not confuse beliefs with the moral teachings, which is innate in every human, and the god of the bible and satan/lucifer are either the same entity or on the same team trying to accomplish this. This is who the PTB answers to and why everything seemingly is going according to what is written in the bible.

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worshiping days are over..........its your own consciousness ,thats where truth lies......not in someone or something else.

wake up its over stop even contemplating trying to escape yourself by depending on something outside....it dosnt work and never can...the truth is you...thats it....wake up please.....
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Welcome to the gnostic club OP!
But don't yell it from the rooftops, or the religious zealots will come with burning torches after you, as usual.

peace
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I was trapped in a huge religion since I was 7, because my parents chose for me. The whole time, I thought something is wrong by the way they judged everyone. I saw how they elevated the leaders of the church more than GOD.

They don't like members asking too many questions and treat the religion as GOD's own mouthpiece mother on earth...

My whole life, I never once heard the Father till I left religion...

He told her that she was to go and tell mommy how happy they are with her...
 Quoting: Kathryn 10750949


Another one set free from the spirit of religion and his buddies. Stories of people turning to the Father alone warm my heart.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


I recently set myself free from religion, after three years of what I would call spiritual abuse. I gave them my all, my talent, my time (embarrassing amounts of time!), my money, my loyalty... but it was never enough. When I questioned some unfairness and un-Christ-like behaviors toward myself and others, I was quickly disciplined (not sure what else to call it).

You would be shocked by some of the tactics of emotional and psychological manipulation they used on me by these mainstream "Christians" -- I allowed it to be quite devastating to my psyche, out of loyalty and confusion surrounding these people who "love" me. I finally snapped out of it and got away. The healing has been slow. They had chewed me up and spit me out.

Since then I have returned to the Father on my own, and He has given me signs and messages to the effect that I am loved, I am "good enough," and I am precious to Him. Thank you, Kathryn, for telling your story. I'm glad to know that others have found freedom and spiritual awareness outside the confines of man's constructs. Blessings to you.

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Since then I have returned to the Father on my own, and He has given me signs and messages to the effect that I am loved, I am "good enough," and I am precious to Him. Thank you, Kathryn, for telling your story. I'm glad to know that others have found freedom and spiritual awareness outside the confines of man's constructs. Blessings to you.
 Quoting: Renaissance Woman


Everyone is!

Even these imbecilic criminal Luciferians, unfortunately.

But that what makes God WONDERFUL!!
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Reading history is helpful, but I have found more help in people's actual experiences...

especially in understanding what is really going on...


UN is ancient word for "satan"... hmmm, I wonder... :)


yeah, I was on the swiss train of "cosmic evolution" and now I see it as just a self-oriented deception...

too bad! I liked entheogens and smokin herb! especially when thrashing on my snowboard! :)

But gotta go with the word now... (herb is not forbidden, but I was way over-using a medicine)

and sucking Obamas balls ain't near as bad as a demon's tit...

I think Weidner was right--Kubrick was trying to tell us something in the Shining when the beautiful chick turns into a hag while he's kissing her...

research says there are spiritual laws we are all breaking... mostly because we don't know they even exist...

UN is an ancient word for "satan"... gee, who uses those initials and is about to tighten the noose on us all??

I wonder...


My youtube links don't always work so I have compiled a list w descriptions, most of which is on youtube:

1)John Todd--

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) former high-level witch and illuminati and converted Druid Priest. Says that they run the show, have more money than they know what to do with.
b) they will destroy economy or any company whenever they want--money no option. Rothchilds at top communing direct w lucifer.
c) Salem witch trials was actually one group of witches getting rid of another and Christians who were meeting to pray--Christians who pray obstruct the ability of witches to conjure and manipulate demons (see #2 below)
d) we can deduce that the persecution of cathars and the inquisitions and other witch burning pandemics may have had similar roots
e) ufos are demonic (even U.S. govt. w craft it could be argued, are simply occultists working wittingly or not to bring in “end times.”
f) interesting that William Bramley found historic ufo sightings before every major outbreak of the plague in middle ages AND hovering above the vatican.
g) says he payed off most of the churches in his jurisdiction to preach false doctrine...

2)Lucifer's Children

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a) former Vietnam vet--compelling story about how satanists work, why they really don't like Christ followers (their praying obstructs their ability to manipulate demonic energy) and why he converted to Christ.


3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) another former satanist, he claims he was recruited to be a high priest with special abilities from a young age
b) lots of interesting aspects to above points
c) very "regular" type of guy--seems sincere.


4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher Joseph Jordan who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up.

a)The family showcased at the end have been repeatedly mentioned on A&E Channel without ever mentioning that they are now healed of the abusive abduction phenomenon that plagued them.

b) It seems likely that there are many ways we can open ourselves up to demonic energies, especially when we do not follow rules of the bible or know about the occult knowledge. The latter is not fool-proof as the wisest man in the bible, Solomon, fell prey to his own hubris and the tales of former satanists and witches, etc are quite telling and similar: Jesus Christ is the only way out.

c) the ways to open ourselves up to demonic are all consciousness-based, ultimately, but include films, tv, music, mind-altering substances (I say this as a person who loves herb, but have stopped smoking), etc... Herb is probably a medicine that even Terrance McKenna said was abused by most and should only be used once a week, ideally.

[link to vimeo.com]

d) some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...


5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically... [link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ

a) He was born into an illuminati family, was schooled by jesuits in special schools in Nepal and learned to meditate (open self to demonic energy), levitate and gain psychic abilities the illuminati and IBM specifically were planning to use him for bringing in the NWO and “end times.”
b) His story is very interesting, mirrors former satanists and exposes the New Age religions.
c) Again, Jesus Christ the only way out and he literally had to confront death when the order tried to get him back.
d) Great example of the spiritual rules that really exist and run things here.


6) Roger Morneau--great guy, amazing story! [link to www.youtube.com]

a) Maybe one of the best “former secret societies” stories and probably the oldest on video record.
b) He got involved in 1946 and had many supernatural experiences
they used fear to compel members to “initiate”
c) He gives great back-story to the luciferian plan and how old it really is.
d) more insight into New Age religion being a luciferian trap.
e) Explains the three basic classes of “fallen angels” and how they confuse and manipulate us.
f) escaped certain death through Jesus Christ.


7) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin. [link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w

a) there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite.
b) other researchers have uncovered that even the men involved in the original test were biased against the Shroud.
c) One of the men involved was found to have requested cloth from middle ages similar to the Shroud.
d) The other forensics on this are amazing and entertaining.


Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines,

a) born w special abilities
b) worked w "ascended masters" who she names
c. says it's all a luciferian deception

“spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings”
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


9) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related

a) Explains why and how hallucinogens are used by sorcerers who really run things, to access and manipulate demonic energy.
b) John Dee was the original 007--I thought this was cool!
c) All his vids are worth a look, though he has no apparent take on Jesus Christ.


10) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story...

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) was born with special abilities
b) was being groomed to take over position with famous shamanic healer in mexico
c) took part in many amazing healing sessions performing brain surgeries and other amazing feats
d) concluded that it was demonic energy healing people (see Roger Morneau for how this is possible)
e) was even fooled by false Christ (see Carolyn Hamlett) and finally determined the only way for someone like her to eliminate the demonic was to study and follow rules layed out in Bible.

11) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

[link to www.youtube.com]


13) Randall Baer's extensive New Age experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet

a) the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB, especially from scientific and arts culture.
b) unabomber to this day denies making bombs
c) unabomber took part in mind-control program at Harvard.
d) The interviews of famous intellectuals and artists who helped usher in the internet and the enslaving technocracy are funny and surprising.
e) shows that reality is what we make it, literally
f) God gives us a free-will and right now that is being manipulated by evil forces towards “end times.”

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

15) Jesuit Sorcerer history: [link to be] foreitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatic​an-connection-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-​2469282.html

a) Appears to be well-researched article on the pervasive control of the jesuit order and how the only force that has been successful against these dark sorcerers is Protestant, real Christ believers, with a Bible and a gun.
b) Personally, it seems to be too late for a gun, though I am not in any way for gun control, but people might be better served just with Jesus Christ and a Bible given the modern weapons available to tptb now.
c) Youtube for more on this: Ex Jesuit Alberto Rivera and others Speak on Jesuit infiltration
d) the above, plus John Todd, Jordan Maxwell, Carolyn Hamlett, etc, all say churches given bad rap (Jordan says Churches are corrupted) by infiltration and other than Jordan they are saying this is by design to lead people away from spiritual power of Jesus Christ.


16) Professor Walter Veith on Supernatural and Evolution v. Creationism

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

a) Start with his testimony--supernatural conflict brings on new understanding...
b) see all his well-documented lectures on Evolution and how the vatican has an agenda to make Sunday the official NWO religious day of worship, soon to be mandated.


17) Ken Peters - Visions for End Times

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) buckle your seat belts for this one
b) very prophetic--not sure what it means.
c) hope it doesn't happen--we are responsible.


18)All of the Youtube vids from The Prophesy Club are very telling and thorough. The Jesus Christ followers seem to me to be the most well-researched, radical and sincere of all the info on the net.

19) Music Industry and Hollywood as satanic

a) aside from John Todd, we have a clear pattern on youtube of satanisms pervasive influence, the worst for me being clear signs that Bob Dylan and John Lennon sold their souls for fame. (see 60 minutes interview w Bob Dylan sold soul)

[link to www.youtube.com]

b) This rabbit hole sadly covers most of the industry and artists I used to love
I still listen to and watch certain art forms, but it is clear there is a problem and I now prefer classical music. :)

20) Caryl Matrisciana- Spiritual Warfare

[link to www.youtube.com]

all cultures around the world based on the reality of the supernatural
Aum as the void out of which the word of God created;
altruistic love of Jesus Christ different from other religions in India, specifically, where religion, more than in West, serve as a means of oppression of truth and spirit; caste system.
Eastern arts, yoga-->designed to waken the snake/commune w demon energy--> self-oriented.
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Re: Is "Lucifer" the light bringer the real God and have all christians been corrupted into worshiping a false god
I am not sure you know the point. You cannot pray directly to God. You pray to his angels. It is written in the Apocrypha books of the bible that angels do not interfere. This is the reason that Lucifer and his angels are here. This was the reason for the biblical flood. To believe in God you must accept and forgive evil, including those that wrong you. Lucifer wants to take those souls away from God. He is the God of the Old Testament. By the way, I think it is wrong to believe that saints and human souls exist here after death. They are in heaven so they cannot help you. Only angels can. Those who exist here are lost souls who do not believe in heaven, but do not belong in hell. Most of them are tormented and need to be shown the way. The Vatican has outlawed the alternative, to be reincarnated. When you die and believe in God, you will be trapped here until Judgment Day. Meanwhile, those who are ignorant live in bliss and are reincarnated. I am one of those who seek vengeance upon sinners who mock God's law set forth in the Old Testament. I do not forgive those who maim, murder, steal, adulterate and then are forgiven in the end. Heaven would be Hell for those who see others less worthy admitted to Heaven without accounting for these misdeeds. I shall be pure and chaste so that I can be the lamb to ask God of the Old Testament to wipe off the sinners off the face of the earth through fire and brimstone.

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