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IMO, we could actually see what shape we were in back in the 1970's. Vets weren't on benefits for Post Tramatic Stress Disorder staying at home where you didn't see them. They were outside the exits at the grocery store with limbs missing, every grocery store, every trip. I remember this as a child. We actually SAW some of what war caused.

Gasoline was expensive for the times, we SAW lines backed up on the main roads just to save a few cents over a station charging regular prices with no lines. We SAT in line to save. We didn't just complain and get a ride and post on the net, not that this is bad I'm just pointing out that things were either much worse then or we have a veil of out of sight out of mind nowadays. Food stamps are on a card so we don't know who has them at the check out, out of sight out of mind.

In the 80's some people were still paying 18% on their mortgages, even loan officers in their 40's aren't aware they were ever that high but they were.

The big thing was that even though most of the time if you are around your own "class" you don't know you're poor if everyone around you is poor. Now, a relatively poor person can pass as non-poor because of car loans being more available (and in some states, welfare actually paying for new vehicles-pfft). In the 70's if a friend got a new car it was a bigger deal, now it's just an average "brag"--even if you get a cool car nowadays it isn't as big of a deal as having a new PINTO in the 70's.

There are some poor people today who I really believe aren't aware that they are poor financially and actually pass as middle class. That's good in a way but also kind of bad because these same people get uppity with people who take better caution with their money and these same people complain about the poor when they are too. If they can be grateful then it's good they are able to live a better life than they would have in the 70's.

These are what crossed my mind immediately with your question, OP. I don't think we are as bad off in our reality as we were in the 70's but it seems we are heading there. It's also possible that we are worse off but that TPTB have found a way to make it invisible to most of us (only visible to those affected).
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On my iPad is why, and stalking you, really?

Your reaching Charlie,
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Oh, that solves it! It's posting on it's iPad charlie, why didn't you think of that? Duh!

palm

On a side note, I post from my iPod every night and I manage to log in.
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"It's"

1rof1
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My homage to our old buddy W.E.
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cheers
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IMO, we could actually see what shape we were in back in the 1970's. Vets weren't on benefits for Post Tramatic Stress Disorder staying at home where you didn't see them. They were outside the exits at the grocery store with limbs missing, every grocery store, every trip. I remember this as a child. We actually SAW some of what war caused.

Gasoline was expensive for the times, we SAW lines backed up on the main roads just to save a few cents over a station charging regular prices with no lines. We SAT in line to save. We didn't just complain and get a ride and post on the net, not that this is bad I'm just pointing out that things were either much worse then or we have a veil of out of sight out of mind nowadays. Food stamps are on a card so we don't know who has them at the check out, out of sight out of mind.

In the 80's some people were still paying 18% on their mortgages, even loan officers in their 40's aren't aware they were ever that high but they were.

The big thing was that even though most of the time if you are around your own "class" you don't know you're poor if everyone around you is poor. Now, a relatively poor person can pass as non-poor because of car loans being more available (and in some states, welfare actually paying for new vehicles-pfft). In the 70's if a friend got a new car it was a bigger deal, now it's just an average "brag"--even if you get a cool car nowadays it isn't as big of a deal as having a new PINTO in the 70's.

There are some poor people today who I really believe aren't aware that they are poor financially and actually pass as middle class. That's good in a way but also kind of bad because these same people get uppity with people who take better caution with their money and these same people complain about the poor when they are too. If they can be grateful then it's good they are able to live a better life than they would have in the 70's.

These are what crossed my mind immediately with your question, OP. I don't think we are as bad off in our reality as we were in the 70's but it seems we are heading there. It's also possible that we are worse off but that TPTB have found a way to make it invisible to most of us (only visible to those affected).
 Quoting: D'Light


Very good post. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

All those points seem valid to me.
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You never volunteered Charlie. Why wonder about what it was like.
A book, Patriots by James Wesley Rawles is what's in order. What it will be like.





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One thing for sure, my generation showed up at work to work, not blog
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse
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What makes you say it's worse?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


At this point in history most of the free men of the contract are gone. Only a free man can free a slave.

You think you have won even as your chains of slavery are tightened, if/when you protest you are sent off to the meat grinder.


Enjoy it, it gets better, first a financial tax, in the name of taxing the ritch, then cashless society and all you morans get taxed triple on every consumption,


frigging hilarious!!


You could come out of her, but you wont.
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I was already there in the Eighties and it was
a real "No-Future Feeling" all around!

So much War, so much Pollution and so much Tensions
with the East, horrible Unemployment, gruesome Music
and we all thought to carry the HI-Virus!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Hmm....good points. So we may be overreacting these days?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


NO. i am from the 80's too and good god if we had had any idea then what it would be like now...we'd have started wearing adult diapers.

ronald reagan, ollie north, tipper gore, censorship, star wars, all the things we thought we could bring awareness to have mutated into an unstoppable shit storm.

it is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse now.
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status just posted by a friend:
I was just in the NW Fred Meyer and a guy smashed a grip of flat screen TVs with a bottle of wine. Then he started screaming he wanted the truth. A Freddie's employee then says "don't call PDX PD, they'll shoot him dead." ..... Thanks Portland, you never seize to amaze me. What the hell?***WHAT THE HELL INDEED!!!!!

-portland, oregon, high end neighborhood
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One thing for sure, my generation showed up at work to work, not blog
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23217961


Well, when you're the boss you have a little more freedom.....
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24247893



You never volunteered Charlie. Why wonder about what it was like.
A book, Patriots by James Wesley Rawles is what's in order. What it will be like.





STALKER

ohyeah

I guess it's understandable. I can understand a personality like mine getting on some peoples nerves.

But, I am not going to change because some people don't like me. If they don't like it, they can avoid my threads.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23102557


What makes you say it's worse?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


At this point in history most of the free men of the contract are gone. Only a free man can free a slave.

You think you have won even as your chains of slavery are tightened, if/when you protest you are sent off to the meat grinder.


Enjoy it, it gets better, first a financial tax, in the name of taxing the ritch, then cashless society and all you morans get taxed triple on every consumption,


frigging hilarious!!


You could come out of her, but you wont.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24426490


You are speaking a foreign language there bud. Contracts? Come out of her?

1dunno1
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I was already there in the Eighties and it was
a real "No-Future Feeling" all around!

So much War, so much Pollution and so much Tensions
with the East, horrible Unemployment, gruesome Music
and we all thought to carry the HI-Virus!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Hmm....good points. So we may be overreacting these days?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


NO. i am from the 80's too and good god if we had had any idea then what it would be like now...we'd have started wearing adult diapers.

ronald reagan, ollie north, tipper gore, censorship, star wars, all the things we thought we could bring awareness to have mutated into an unstoppable shit storm.

it is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19555500


Thanks for your input. It very well maybe worse these days.
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status just posted by a friend:
I was just in the NW Fred Meyer and a guy smashed a grip of flat screen TVs with a bottle of wine. Then he started screaming he wanted the truth. A Freddie's employee then says "don't call PDX PD, they'll shoot him dead." ..... Thanks Portland, you never seize to amaze me. What the hell?***WHAT THE HELL INDEED!!!!!

-portland, oregon, high end neighborhood
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19555500


another recent status:

So, today, we just had SNOW here, south of Brasil.. we havent seen snow since 1942, and temperatures got like -30 Cº on thermal sensation, while on the north its almost 40 C º and hot as hell.. *i dont want to live in this planet anymore*
Like · · Follow Post · 3 hours ago near Curitiba, Parana
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status just posted by a friend:
I was just in the NW Fred Meyer and a guy smashed a grip of flat screen TVs with a bottle of wine. Then he started screaming he wanted the truth. A Freddie's employee then says "don't call PDX PD, they'll shoot him dead." ..... Thanks Portland, you never seize to amaze me. What the hell?***WHAT THE HELL INDEED!!!!!

-portland, oregon, high end neighborhood
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19555500


another recent status:

So, today, we just had SNOW here, south of Brasil.. we havent seen snow since 1942, and temperatures got like -30 Cº on thermal sensation, while on the north its almost 40 C º and hot as hell.. *i dont want to live in this planet anymore*
Like · · Follow Post · 3 hours ago near Curitiba, Parana
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19555500


Odd twitter post..Or was it facebook?
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I was already there in the Eighties and it was
a real "No-Future Feeling" all around!

So much War, so much Pollution and so much Tensions
with the East, horrible Unemployment, gruesome Music
and we all thought to carry the HI-Virus!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Hmm....good points. So we may be overreacting these days?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


TPTB have been using fear to control the masses for millennia.

If you are scared, you are much easier to control.
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We all breathe the same air.
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(love/all)
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I am wondering, are things as bad as some seem to think? I am only 27, so I have never lived through more gloomy times than what we are going through now. But, a lot of you lived through the cold war, vietnam, the carter admin. The 60's and 70's were a crazy couple decades. Some of you even went through ww2 times.

So after seeing all you have seen, is our current situation really "that bad?" Could this really be "end times" Or at least the end of the U.S? Beginning of a NWO?

Is our economy really worse than it was in Carters time? Are there more rumors of war now than during the cold war?

Please shed some light on how you feel about our current situation in comparison to other hard times..
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I lived through the "Cold War" and Viet Nam. It is worse now than it has ever been. There are too many people needing food, fuel and resources. The competition and jockeying for position is stressing every one. The western world's lifestyle is richer and so people have more to lose. At least during the cold war there was the space race which gave everyone hope and something to look forward to. Once we were successful we stopped teaching our kids, so they have less of a sense of belonging to a larger society and look more inwards at their own desires. We are faced with a medieval enemy, that we foolishly allowed into our world and gave them modern arms. We are living in a shadow of the dystopian Orwellian prediction where no one dares speak their mind, and suffers stress for it. We have powerful computer systems that allow the players to play a bigger and more dangerous economic game. Gold is no longer money, just numbers in computer data, which can be manipulated at a whim. Things are much much worse than they have ever been.
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I am wondering, are things as bad as some seem to think? I am only 27, so I have never lived through more gloomy times than what we are going through now. But, a lot of you lived through the cold war, vietnam, the carter admin. The 60's and 70's were a crazy couple decades. Some of you even went through ww2 times.

So after seeing all you have seen, is our current situation really "that bad?" Could this really be "end times" Or at least the end of the U.S? Beginning of a NWO?

Is our economy really worse than it was in Carters time? Are there more rumors of war now than during the cold war?

Please shed some light on how you feel about our current situation in comparison to other hard times..
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


I lived through the "Cold War" and Viet Nam. It is worse now than it has ever been. There are too many people needing food, fuel and resources. The competition and jockeying for position is stressing every one. The western world's lifestyle is richer and so people have more to lose. At least during the cold war there was the space race which gave everyone hope and something to look forward to. Once we were successful we stopped teaching our kids, so they have less of a sense of belonging to a larger society and look more inwards at their own desires. We are faced with a medieval enemy, that we foolishly allowed into our world and gave them modern arms. We are living in a shadow of the dystopian Orwellian prediction where no one dares speak their mind, and suffers stress for it. We have powerful computer systems that allow the players to play a bigger and more dangerous economic game. Gold is no longer money, just numbers in computer data, which can be manipulated at a whim. Things are much much worse than they have ever been.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24453892


Wow, thanks for posting.

It's pretty amazing that we could be living in the most important time period in modern history.

cheers
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I was already there in the Eighties and it was
a real "No-Future Feeling" all around!

So much War, so much Pollution and so much Tensions
with the East, horrible Unemployment, gruesome Music
and we all thought to carry the HI-Virus!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Hmm....good points. So we may be overreacting these days?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


TPTB have been using fear to control the masses for millennia.

If you are scared, you are much easier to control.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Good point.

cheers
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I was already there in the Eighties and it was
a real "No-Future Feeling" all around!

So much War, so much Pollution and so much Tensions
with the East, horrible Unemployment, gruesome Music
and we all thought to carry the HI-Virus!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Hmm....good points. So we may be overreacting these days?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


TPTB have been using fear to control the masses for millennia.

If you are scared, you are much easier to control.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


You are dead on! No fear No power!
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I was already there in the Eighties and it was
a real "No-Future Feeling" all around!

So much War, so much Pollution and so much Tensions
with the East, horrible Unemployment, gruesome Music
and we all thought to carry the HI-Virus!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Hmm....good points. So we may be overreacting these days?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


TPTB have been using fear to control the masses for millennia.

If you are scared, you are much easier to control.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


You are dead on! No fear No power!
 Quoting: Little Drummer


ohyeah

hf
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One thing for sure, my generation showed up at work to work, not blog
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Well, when you're the boss you have a little more freedom.....
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Ummm



Like I said
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One thing for sure, my generation showed up at work to work, not blog
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Well, when you're the boss you have a little more freedom.....
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Ummm



Like I said
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1dunno1

What? You havn't said anything on this thread.

"I don't like you blah blah blah" "I'm gonna stalk you blah blah blah"

You have issues bro..or Multistrada.

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