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John Lear may be wrong about Christ

 
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Time Travel may be the real technology being used to manufacture the current poem of the matrix. All other technologies would probably be secondary.
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roflmao,the bible is metaphors,the characters didn't exist in the flesh...no human remains have ever been found of the kings,queens,prophets,priests,etc or even the roman Caesars...the lies are bigger than ya think..
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you don't know what you are talking about.
pure ignorance being touted here folks. What a tard.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Time Travel

The problem with time travel: seems likely to be demonic. If demon spirits can impersonate any historical figure then they perhaps have ways of creating alternate realms that simulate this reality... especially since it seems likely anyone having access to such technology would probably be involved, wittingly or unwittingly, with the "luciferian deception".

Then you also have the question of how can God's ultimate will unfold if someone had such a seemingly omnipotent power. The answer to this is likely that the rules that apply to the supernatural/spiritual will also apply to this type of technology. Nothing is allowed but by God's will.

Maybe this is why time travel ideas are so prevalent and hidden in plain site: truth must out and we must give free will consent for tptb to get things done. This might also explain why generally there is a multi-cultural hype: anything that can break down society allows it's free will to be more easily accessed and manipulated. All of the cultural trends contribute to this.

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Music Time...

This is some of my personal footage from the 911 event and a song I wrote around that time...

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to youtu.be]


Lately, I find that when I pray it is sometimes easier if I sing. Everything flows better. Just a thought for those who pray... pray about small things as well as big things... and just sing...

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roflmao,the bible is metaphors,the characters didn't exist in the flesh...no human remains have ever been found of the kings,queens,prophets,priests,etc or even the roman Caesars...the lies are bigger than ya think..
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you don't know what you are talking about.
pure ignorance being touted here folks. What a tard.
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Thanks Kirk,

Yes, there is a lot of deception and they make some for all kinds of people... Radnarg likely has good intentions... and it is easy to get into his line of thinking unless you continue to look at everything... many get stuck at the idea the Christ did not exist... It is difficult ground to cross...

btw--your name is old Scottish, I believe, for "Church"... interesting that they chose this name for the leader of the original Star Trek. An entertaining distraction, at least...

:)
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Time Travel

The problem with time travel: seems likely to be demonic. If demon spirits can impersonate any historical figure then they perhaps have ways of creating alternate realms that simulate this reality... especially since it seems likely anyone having access to such technology would probably be involved, wittingly or unwittingly, with the "luciferian deception".

Then you also have the question of how can God's ultimate will unfold if someone had such a seemingly omnipotent power. The answer to this is likely that the rules that apply to the supernatural/spiritual will also apply to this type of technology. Nothing is allowed but by God's will.

Maybe this is why time travel ideas are so prevalent and hidden in plain site: truth must out and we must give free will consent for tptb to get things done. This might also explain why generally there is a multi-cultural hype: anything that can break down society allows it's free will to be more easily accessed and manipulated. All of the cultural trends contribute to this.

:)
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I mentioned: "especially since it seems likely anyone having access to such technology would probably be involved, wittingly or unwittingly, with the "luciferian deception".

When people free will themselves into this kind of arrangement, the level of deception appears to increase... until they turn to God and Christ.

:)
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Time to Fast

Doing a UT fast this week...

Just moved into a new place and have been craving a fast...

I love to eat and drink and cook and basically experience this reality to the fullest... the fast is another aspect of this: control.

Without fasting I would probably eat all the time. :)

I am a very good cook, have developed lots of nice healthy recipes and even make my own reishi vodka...

other snacks include sauted onions, garlic and wild mushrooms w grass-fed beef and raw cheeses sandwich, crazy good tuna melts, BLTs with local thick cut bacon, home grown brandywine toms... home grown cucumber sandwiches... heart-healthy hot-fudge w raw coconut oil, raw cocoa, raw honey and sea salt... I like really good foods simply prepared: grilled salmon on home-made coles slaw... baked Halibut head (best fish ever) with collared greens, pasta sauce should always have raw honey in it, IMO, as well as kale and an abundance of crushed garlic and olive oil... all foods not simply cooked should have a sweet and sour essence... tuna melt should have cranberries, walnuts, fresh herbs, celery and pickles, for example...

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UT Fast

with fasting I find I can detach from this reality pretty good and be more in control... hunger, once over-come, becomes less important to the eating experience... I eat when I want and what I want, but I am not necessarily "hungry" in the sense that my stomach seems to be making demands...

it is nice to hardly ever feel really famished like if I don't eat I will pass out... it seems like a lot of people I talk to are afraid of fasting...

It is a good idea to plan time with nothing to do and just drink water and read/sleep/play music when first trying it...

I am at a place now where I go out and do stuff while in the middle of my fast... my voice is slower and sometimes a bit slurred, but I feel present and calm... I basically avoid dealing with urgent things and do things like posting on GLP

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UT Fast is drinking your urine, for people who don't know... Urine Therapy...

I notice my skin gets very even and clear... it seems to also perform a liver cleanse... the UT has properties that lubricate and nourish...

I usually lose around 20 lbs from a five day fast...

Once you get over the initial discomfort, it becomes kind of like flying... serene and magical, to be able to live without eating... for days on end... and feel fine...

:)
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UT Fast

It is interesting that the senses all get so heightened while fasting...

walking down the street I smell smells I usually don't and others smell more intense... it is like being able to read my environment with my nose...

it is almost like when we eat we feed our noses as much as our bellies...

the calm I feel is similar to smoking herb... only everything is crystal clear...

supposedly some people do 40 day UT fasts... I would like to try this...

I wonder if Christ was drinking the UT on his fast? he had a physical body that needed something, presumably, to sustain it...

of course His consciousness was probably enough...

:)
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UT Fast

It is empowering to know that you can go for many weeks without eating if you need to...

like being a camel...

and that you can heal yourself of most maladies with a UT/water fast...

Water of Life, by Armstrong...

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According to some thing I read the other day, grey aliens eat once every few days and they excrete through their skin...

for this reason they smell horribly...at least this is the excuse we are told...

Chucacabras also smell horribly, according to people who have killed them...

they appear demonic to me...

interesting that it is said that evil has a foul smell... as does death...

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I wonder why when John Lear was asked why he is allowed to live because of the things he reveals he said he was "protected" and by whom?

John? Is it just your mom who donates a lot to the republicans? Your dad, who is a legend? Your company connections? Friends of the family? Aliens?

Or all of the above?

And why didn't the host of Coast ask? That seemed odd when he just moved on... perhaps the only uncomfortable moment in the interview, or any interview I have heard...

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Richard Alan Miller - magician/ Harvard meta-physicist

It is quite enjoyable to listen to new age folks with real science and knowledge, from the view-point of a Christ-centered person.

Christians can learn a lot about themselves and God by doing so.

I love when Richard talks about the brains and abilities of dolphins and whales being superior to the human mind. Dolphins and whales are awesome creatures. Whales are actually one of the great anomalies that make "evolution" look silly. There is no evidence for the evolution of these amazing cerebral creatures. Their purpose here is not truly understood. Some say they are creatures God allowed to survive from Atlantean pre-flood times. They were created without opposable thumbs to allow for a different kind of soul experience here, perhaps one without tools and warfare.

The abilities of these animals are amazing and you wonder if, like the other great anomaly that flies in the face of evolution, the bees, they are not somehow a more direct link with the Divine, by virtue of the role they play on the planet, which some suggest might relate to the very Schumann resonance of the planet.

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Certain buzz-words give him away entirely: his emphasis on the need to survive, to make a mark or path for others to follow, the lamentation of getting old, the description of the need to change outlooks like we change styles of dress, the work with the ultimate "booga booga" Carl Sagan...

Even his reasoning that with age he is fat and will never fit into his jeans again, to me is a red flag. Anyone can perform a UT fast and lose hundreds of pounds if need be...

The basic reasoning based on fear or lack seems unsound... it speaks to the unwillingness to humble his spirit before God. If you are in Iraq, he says, it might be dangerous to be a Christ-centered person, therefore: don't be a Christ-centered person! LOL

This is the mind of a magician? An "evolved" person? Far better to live without fear, even when you think someone might shoot you in the back (I have been there) and to trust that God is in control and has a purpose for you being where-ever you happen to be. Far better to die for your beliefs in the highest teachings of Christ, than to live a rudderless life where your deepest spiritual beliefs are nothing more than a fad of clothing. This is the epitome of the emptiness in the satanic culture and likely why fads exist in the first-place: to distract the mind from the fear and emptiness inherent in this kind of philosophical outlook.

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He quotes Rudolph Steiner as saying we are actually "devolving"...

It is interesting side-note that in Fellini's "La Dolce Vita" the character "Steiner" kills his beautiful family and himself in the horrible post ww2 vacuum of the industrial age... the nuclear age... so frightening to the magician-class it is embarrassing that I ever looked up[ to them in any way and at times considered what I was doing in art to be magical. I was not so sophisticated to consider it "occult practice" but conveptual art is magical art, in the sense of creating memes and cultural consciousness. I knew I had done the latter, I did not understand the former.

I would say we are in a constant state of devolution from God, through the luciferian deception and spirit worshippers. A better word might be separation, until we make a conscious free-will choice to recognize our basic imperfections, before God and through the teachings of Jesus Christ.

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He goes on to quote Bill Nye on the paradox of Christ-centered people embracing the technologies of the smart phone and the internet, which are in some sense, apparently anathema to Christ's teachings.

To this I say, as Christ-centered people we must be vigilant as best we can. We can make some choices that are better than others. Like not using the obviously dark for the lighter versions of the technology. We can do this by choosing to work with smaller companies, just as we can choose to buy local foods and goods.

We can also use the technology to increase our knowledge and to share this awareness with others. God allows all. The best choices we make with the free will He gives us are often the harder choices. Eating organic is more expensive, using organic products, especially cosmetics and soaps, more expensive. Vitamins and supplements--more expensive--often the non-organic versions are GMO and toxic. Even gas--using the more expensive gas saves the engine and makes the car run better--allowing for better gas mileage that more than makes up for the extra cost--but people buy the cheap stuff without thinking. I tested this on an SUV and got around 60 miles more per tank.

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Ideally, Christ-centered people would be living much like Quakers, with less technology and more communally. Christ says that in the end times families and friends will be divided over Him, so aside from the constant efforts to undermine and infiltrate the Christian groups which is pretty-well documented on my list and in other places, it is likely that this is a path many will not have available to them until the last days.

Are we in the last days? There are many signs that point to this, but it does not matter. What matters is how we choose to live our lives. This is where I like John Lear's current understanding, I simply think it is flawed by the math: we are imperfect and cannot be perfect in this incarnation. We need humility before the Creator and the great benefit of Jesus Christ's teachings. It is not called "ok grace" it is called Amazing Grace! We should all consider why.

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I do wonder, however, about those people who exhibit natural grace and beauty of spirit. I consider that God has a place fro them whether they find Christ or not. This is a difficult proposition and likely perilous. If you do not seek forgiveness and live unconscious of your imperfections, you may create distorted spirit energy that will be of no use to the Divine. There is a harvest for a reason.
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Reading Mathew 27 this morning, when Christ expires we see that "saints" come out from their tombs and walk the earth and visit people in town and many were witness to this.

This seems to imply that some are naturally graceful and Godly in spirit. I know this is not me. I am naturally inclined to rebellion and anarchy. I enjoy massive change. I like thrills. The other night I dreamt we had another earth quake and I ran outside in my dream and laid down on the ground to feel it rumble and shake the earth. Even when the actual earthquake hit a few weeks ago I was simply in awe and joy at the force of God through nature.
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It is hard for me to connect with God through humility. I do not believe in complaining and it seems important to be grateful for the beauty of life, but I do not take to humble prayer very well.

I use the Lord's prayer a lot and try to say it slowly and feel every word of it. That is the best I can do for now. I feel like an actor who cannot cry on demand--like somehow there should be more emotion. The culture has done a good job of toughening us up and detaching us from the Divine. That is one of the most powerful aspects of the media: to allow us to experience things vicariously and thus desensitize us from the experiences and emotions meant to bring us closer to God.
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Hi,

I am the OP.

Yes, I have certainly been aware of John Allegros excellent work and have been an artist and entheogen lover for many years!

However, when you research the former luciferians and satanists, they say it is a luciferian trap--in fact the entire new age is just a deception.

I have gone back and forth on this, but I think it is quite telling that even Lou Baldin aka "sleeper" is raising his children as Christ followers. He even says it can't hurt, as his explanation. I would postulate that he may have doubts.

As for NDEs--the operative term is "near death" and we cannot know until we see it for ourselves, but based on personal experience and research, I think, like Lou himself, it is safer and smarter to follow Christ.

Another great link on debunking Evolution is Professor Walter Veith, former evolutionist turned creationist. You would have to be worse than the worst never read a book, let alone the bible, zealot, to believe in the faith of evolution. Veith makes wonderful biblically-based arguments using science's own absurdities. Doesn't surprise me, as most supposed experts are on what I call a "demon tit" of grants, tenure and do what they told.

Veith lecture:

[link to www.youtube.com]

All of his lectures are well researched and entertaining!
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I think if this is true, for Lou has also said basically Christ doesn't exist, but as Sleeper, still said that Christ's example is the best we have. And I'm not sure if I read the parts your mentioning but from what I gathered, is that Christ Jeshua/Jesus, is the real deal for progression whether he was Real/Metaphor or Both. Unconditional Love, Selflessness and Service To Others.

Whether it be fundmentalism as a way of looking at his example, or mystic and symbollic, and seeing the coding to pineal, it still all is housed in His Perfect Example.

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p.s. Thank you Mercyme!

It isn't called "ok grace" it's called amazing grace! :)

what does ET think? what? I didn't hear that...

For the others who postulate that ET/higher dimensional beings can do anything I would say, for me, intelligent design indicates intelligent designer... ET just another level... a "Principality" ...

also see Carolyn Hamlett youtubes for more on role of greys...

I would really like to get Lou with some Adventists like Veith and see if the phenomenon continues for him...

Logic tells me that there is a God over everybody and it is ultimately His show, not Et's...

As well, according to John and Lou, following Christ would be just another way towards living without envy, hate or greed... plus living WITH a few other virtues that might only enhance the afterlife...

careful looking into the links in the list show clearly that Christianity has been infiltrated by evil folks... but you can read the New Testament and follow Jesus Christ pretty easily without the distortion...

I do not belong to any church, for example, but I do think reading about Jesus Christ and knowing his wisdom might be important.

Cheers!
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For the others who postulate that ET/higher dimensional beings can do anything I would say, for me, intelligent design indicates intelligent designer... ET just another level... a "Principality" ...

also see Carolyn Hamlett youtubes for more on role of greys...

I would really like to get Lou with some Adventists like Veith and see if the phenomenon continues for him...



There is nothing in his message that actually contradicts the basic integrity and compassion and way that Christ lived.

This universe is infinite and populated, not by demons, but mostly by Loving Good beings and those striving to be this as works in process.

The Bible contains a lot of Ufology. Does this mean God/Goodness/Love does not exist?

Of course not!

Does this mean one should walk away from faith in Christ if one is a Christian because they know from personal experience that much of what Lou speaks of is true, like I do, Of Course Not!

Does this mean that I think all ET's are Good?
Of Course Not!

We're in a kind of testing ground, spiritual battle!

But there are light and dark squares, much like the black and white mason tile floor even found in Soloman's temple, and the duality symbol for the mystery schools, in the bible.

Different pathways.

Retaliation and harsh smiting sacrificial god and then Christ's message.

Things that perhaps don't mean what we think literally and rewritten by TPTB all along so its distorted.

I think living with integrity and love and goodness, as a message that is given over and over again by Lou, who is a very good person himself, from all I've read, as a general, non denomination, non religious view point, so its all encompassing does not hurt one bit.

And here is the thing. Goodness is goodness. Faith in Family of Good or God, walking the walk, doing the right thing, setting our affairs in order, caring about our fellow man, isn't exactly demonic.

The tree is known by its fruits.

I will say this though about Et or Angel ET's, when its Family, they don't need permissions to access you. Contact and miracles via high spiritually aware ETs or through religious concepts can access no matter what permissions you close down.

The other side does need to access via lowering your frequency, or goodness, encouraging negativity in people and harm/vice/apathy, and through permissions.

So I won't say your wrong in your ideas, faith in Goodness, calling upon Christ in bad situations can and does help, so does showing kindness in negative situations, trying to act in ways that are true to your nature and decision to be gentle and good, even in a checkup via something most odd, can turn around the whole experiences a person has.

I think Faith in Love and Goodness/God and Christ Yeshua is only a good thing.
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Back to my bro Allegro,

have you read the history on Hannibal?

Have you read William Bramley's "Gods of Eden?"

History has been strongly manipulated and distorted. I would be very cautious about basing my whole philosophy on this type of info.

But you can find good stuff that illustrates this: Hannibal, for example, was guided by an "angel" and visions of a snake...

I was rather disappointed to find this out, as I always loved a good tactician and the battle of Cannae is one of the best battles ever fought, in terms of an out-numbered army defeating a superior force in a horrific yet eloquent manner...

now I suspect Hannibal was "guided" most of the time...

so we are back to "Sleeper" again...

I find the intense first-person stories of many of the links I have posted to be more like "boots on the ground" to this conjecture...

Check out Carolyn Hamlett, MArk Cleminson and especially, Roger Morneau for this.

There is some major deception going on. Are we so sure it is ET and not lucifer and the principalities talked about in the Bible?

Everyone on my list says it is the latter. No one says the former, only Lou.

You might ask yourself: Why does Mark Cleminson's father call him and say not to step out of the shadow of God or he will be killed?

We need to be spiritually smart and play by the rules. No one is saying stand under ETs shadow, yo...
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There is some major deception going on. Are we so sure it is ET and not lucifer and the principalities talked about in the Bible?

Everyone on my list says it is the latter. No one says the former, only Lou.

You might ask yourself: Why does Mark Cleminson's father call him and say not to step out of the shadow of God or he will be killed?

We need to be spiritually smart and play by the rules. No one is saying stand under ETs shadow, yo...


Back at you with what you said about John and David dIcke. Distortions mixed with truths, for an agenda.

Everyone on your list was allowed out to speak for what purpose?

Why is it we are standing on a crossroads, a cycle with NWO coming (a time the planet's mismanagers depopulate and send humanity back in time to serfdom and a new era). There are 2 possibilities, one is progression and equality and clean energy, the Power of Love, the other is their slave cycle and resets continue as usual, the Love of Power. Though some have tried to compromise by coming out with Controlled Progression and some depopulation. From all I've gleaned out of massive research.

Well reset means, fundamental religious ideas and censorship would be the norm. Of course suppress and shut down ufology and NASA.

What do you think they have chosen?

But the real question is, will they be allowed to do this?

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4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up

I recently had a sleep paralysis, called on Jesus, and it immediately stopped.

My mom a Buddhist, also had one, called on Jesus, then saw him coming to her, extended his hand to her. She reached for it, and the paralysis stopped.

People who have abductions, will typically mention it being accompanied with sleep paralysis.
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that is because Jesus is God of Nebadon our particular sector of the universe and he is returned.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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I used to have that kind of perspective on the "blood sacrifice" question... that it is dark and seems like it should be unnecessary...

however, we are inherently flawed and rebellious... sometimes life or death situations are the only ones we pay attention to...

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Compromise with the side that is not Love, for Love would never even once ask for such a thing and all Loving Hearts know this, is a very slippery slope.

Use discernment and weed out essential from distortion.

As to fundamental concepts, literal, sure, the compassion and walk in service to others part, but the bible is metaphor.

Genesis 32 30 Pineal! That is the city you meet God, oops, that must be a satanic distortion, like meditation and yoga.

Stay in the heart and discern.

You know when I pray, I always pray in the Name of Christ Yeshu, the Spirit of Peace and Love and the Highest Love and Goodness in Existence in Reality, by the intention of my heart overturning any negative codes in words.

I mean the meaning is I choose to recognize the message of Christ and believe He is immanuel, Goodnes with us from on High. Its a hard decision for he could be a metaphor, but...without absolute proof either way, I feel its bearing false witness against Him to say that.

But because we live in a highly coded world with mouse traps set and baited with cheese all around, the Spirit of Peace and Love is the Universal Unity and Love, the Holy Spirit of Goodness between all Holy Advanced Family from the Highest Levels of Love and Goodness there is, And the last part is self evident, truth no matter what codes there is. What I do is avoid all terms in the bible, all names coded to Saturn, such as El, or Elohim or Annanuki, or Osirius, or special pet names for "God", instead, Love and Goodness is the real deal and everything else potentially a trap with cheese.


Its fun walking in this world with both awareness and faith and they don't always meet up.

But, one thing for sure, when you turn that dial up on Love and Goodness, animal sacrifices and blood sacrifices do get tossed out the window.
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John, I don't think ET would mind if you or Sleeper became Christians, according to Lou's own testimony, however it does seem as if God might mind you beholden to ET... Bible calls these beings demons and Principalities...

gee, I wonder which choice is the safest, smartest choice?

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Bible also calls those beings Elohim which is like saying annanuki really. And psalm 82 does make elohim mortal, though longer living than the adams, and told not prop up corruption but be mindful of those in need.

Actual the literal translation of the Bible is rather interesting, ie in like in Maura Biglino. No where in the literal translation do we find the 10 commandments as the Christians know it, the closest that comes is to the Egyptian book of the dead.

Worship on a day signed over to Saturn and its rings or a day signed over to the Sun, in which Christ said rather postive things about being the good parent of the solar system, shining on both the saintly and the sinner alike, and that we are to shine our light, not to mention, that passage "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5 20.

I think sunday is a little more appropriate myself, and do note the sumar and egyptian in the bible.

But hey, personally IMHO Goodness doesnt care what day you worship on, Goodness doesnt even ask for worship but is far too humble to consider that. And I do believe we have a very Good and Loving Spiritual Family and that there is a God/Goodness/Love, Infinite Progression, Family.

Not that heart of the ten commandments is to not harm and that is also the heart of the basic common laws or virtues. And that I disagree with this but other people got this too, ahead of the hebrew.

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Re: John Lear may be wrong about Christ
As well, listening to Lou Baldin's story, among others, it is clear that the supernatural/principalities "supalities" :)

are far more powerful than any earth-based weapons system... at least at the higher levels of the "supalities"... :)

Lou says that they are running and manipulating the show. I think they are just supalities and not to be trusted, to boot!

I would guess the supalities have to play by the spiritual rules and laws as God has made them.

They are manipulating behind the scenes because they have to. If they were out front people might turn to their faith in God and defeat them wholesale.

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Well, pretty much what I think about the so called mid managers, but Family and God and Love and Christ, whether you say Christ centered, or whether some say Christ energy, Christ, as in the Great Teacher and Higher Up who watches over us, and Good Cosmic Citizens, are way over their heads.

And there is a perfect plan. Its not about deleting any spirit however, there are no shredders. The perfect plan is to redeem ever single intellect in existence, and there is no other perfect plan, for no other plan is perfect. Its Love that is perfect. I have known that in my heart all my life and expect it, ask for it, and believe in nothing else even if the whole world became a hellgate. Its just shadow, illusion, distortion, insanity and is NOT REAL. Nothing but LOVE IS REAL. Distortions are shadow! Reflections. Lessons.

Anyway, I've been reading this thread, possibly on page 10, its so in depth really, I can't speed read it. Its really good. Shines Goodness. As long as one has Love and Discernment,

Well until I got to this:

Now I do not even think we have more than one life... no reincarnation, no extra chances... the season comes and then it goes... you ripen on the vine or you do not...

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I remember, and we are infinite parts of infinity, and have lived many lives. I remember a long journey from Lyra and what its like in real higher eutopia heavens, the only anyone would want to be, and how awful this world is since I was very small.

And there is not just one chance in a hellzone programmed world.

Even my friends grandson at 16 had the window open and remembered who he was, feline from sirius, in source, and his family watches over from time to time and he is so grateful

Gaia, testing ground without end, he called it.

And sang the words my friend wrote in another script, saying this was psalm, not to mention he wrote that with my friend form finland.

LOVE WOULD NEVER BEHAVE AS YOU THINK, HARSH AND PUNITIVE.

THERE ISN'T EVEN A FOREVER HELL THAT WAS A LATER ADDITION.

THE SYSTEM IS INFINITE PROGRESSION HOWEVER LONG SOME TAKE.

I CONSIDER IT VIOLATING FREE WILL AND THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH. THE BAD GUYS ALL HEALING HOSPITALS AND COUNSELING AND THAT IS WHAT LOVE IS LIKE. NOT HELL< LESSON FAILURE HELL LESSON FAILURE PAIN PAIN AND MORE PAIN. ITS INSANE TO EVEN LEARN THIS WAY.

LOVE NEVER DOES THAT AND ONLY LOVE IS REAL THE REST IS SHADOW.

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Not by good works but by Faith ....C.C Idol1thats not an exact quote for I know better
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Hi,

I am the OP.

Yes, I have certainly been aware of John Allegros excellent work and have been an artist and entheogen lover for many years!

However, when you research the former luciferians and satanists, they say it is a luciferian trap--in fact the entire new age is just a deception.

I have gone back and forth on this, but I think it is quite telling that even Lou Baldin aka "sleeper" is raising his children as Christ followers. He even says it can't hurt, as his explanation. I would postulate that he may have doubts.

As for NDEs--the operative term is "near death" and we cannot know until we see it for ourselves, but based on personal experience and research, I think, like Lou himself, it is safer and smarter to follow Christ.

Another great link on debunking Evolution is Professor Walter Veith, former evolutionist turned creationist. You would have to be worse than the worst never read a book, let alone the bible, zealot, to believe in the faith of evolution. Veith makes wonderful biblically-based arguments using science's own absurdities. Doesn't surprise me, as most supposed experts are on what I call a "demon tit" of grants, tenure and do what they told.

Veith lecture:

[link to www.youtube.com]

All of his lectures are well researched and entertaining!
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I think if this is true, for Lou has also said basically Christ doesn't exist, but as Sleeper, still said that Christ's example is the best we have. And I'm not sure if I read the parts your mentioning but from what I gathered, is that Christ Jeshua/Jesus, is the real deal for progression whether he was Real/Metaphor or Both. Unconditional Love, Selflessness and Service To Others.

Whether it be fundmentalism as a way of looking at his example, or mystic and symbollic, and seeing the coding to pineal, it still all is housed in His Perfect Example.
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Hi--thank you for your thoughts.

My basic take is that Lou may simply be unwittingly being used by "fallen angels"/demon spirits, who do in fact run things here.

The deception is not always a negative experience and the abilities of the supernatural not to be under-estimated.

Like I said, I wonder what would happen if Lou was to truly convert to Christ and perhaps even join an adventist church and seek help from Jesus to eliminate his own abduction phenomenon.

It seems he might be a bit biased himself and on some level is willingly participating in his abductions. Perhaps if his encounters were more negative he might do this...

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