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John Lear may be wrong about Christ

 
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The problem with thinking we can just follow Christ's example is that we really cannot fully do this--we are imperfect. Some do seem more graceful and blessed than others and there is an argument for this, but the usefulness of forgiveness of sins and humility to God should not be under-estimated, in terms of making our spirit energy more harmonious and useful to the Divine, IMO.

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Not by good works but by Faith ....C.C Idol1thats not an exact quote for I know better
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Thanks! Yes, and "faith" has many energetic implications: humility, inherent imperfection, a love and understanding of the Divine--all will make our spirit energy more useful to God.

It also might make for creations less likely to rebel against their Creator--likely a very important aspect of why we are here.

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Back to my bro Allegro,

have you read the history on Hannibal?

Have you read William Bramley's "Gods of Eden?"

History has been strongly manipulated and distorted. I would be very cautious about basing my whole philosophy on this type of info.

But you can find good stuff that illustrates this: Hannibal, for example, was guided by an "angel" and visions of a snake...

I was rather disappointed to find this out, as I always loved a good tactician and the battle of Cannae is one of the best battles ever fought, in terms of an out-numbered army defeating a superior force in a horrific yet eloquent manner...

now I suspect Hannibal was "guided" most of the time...

so we are back to "Sleeper" again...

I find the intense first-person stories of many of the links I have posted to be more like "boots on the ground" to this conjecture...

Check out Carolyn Hamlett, MArk Cleminson and especially, Roger Morneau for this.

There is some major deception going on. Are we so sure it is ET and not lucifer and the principalities talked about in the Bible?

Everyone on my list says it is the latter. No one says the former, only Lou.

You might ask yourself: Why does Mark Cleminson's father call him and say not to step out of the shadow of God or he will be killed?

We need to be spiritually smart and play by the rules. No one is saying stand under ETs shadow, yo...
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There is some major deception going on. Are we so sure it is ET and not lucifer and the principalities talked about in the Bible?

Everyone on my list says it is the latter. No one says the former, only Lou.

You might ask yourself: Why does Mark Cleminson's father call him and say not to step out of the shadow of God or he will be killed?

We need to be spiritually smart and play by the rules. No one is saying stand under ETs shadow, yo...


Back at you with what you said about John and David dIcke. Distortions mixed with truths, for an agenda.

Everyone on your list was allowed out to speak for what purpose?

Why is it we are standing on a crossroads, a cycle with NWO coming (a time the planet's mismanagers depopulate and send humanity back in time to serfdom and a new era). There are 2 possibilities, one is progression and equality and clean energy, the Power of Love, the other is their slave cycle and resets continue as usual, the Love of Power. Though some have tried to compromise by coming out with Controlled Progression and some depopulation. From all I've gleaned out of massive research.

Well reset means, fundamental religious ideas and censorship would be the norm. Of course suppress and shut down ufology and NASA.

What do you think they have chosen?

But the real question is, will they be allowed to do this?
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Good points and ones we must consider. :)

First of all, many of the people on my list are not widely known in the alternative world, let alone the Christian world.

Caryl Matrisciana is a veritable voice in the wilderness speaking knowledgeably and insightfully about the Harry Potter phenomenon (which the new age often supports, and certainly TPTB do, at least in spirit) and especially yoga/meditations, which increasingly people are turning to in the void of a watered-down and corrupted Christianity.

As well, many Christians are not seeking this form of spirituality, thinking it is benign and spiritually empowering--what an oxymoron, btw... :)

The fact that yoga was designed to tune our bodies to communicate with supernatural hindu gods who often appear demonic, should give give everyone pause.

David dIcke and others are getting major play alongside Christianity on many alternative sites like Coast to Coast, and I would say the balance is now tipped in favor of people like Icke, Tsarion, Maxwell...et al...

do some digging and it starts to look mighty peculiar and very deceptive...

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Meant to say: As well, many Christians are NOW seeking this form of spirituality, thinking it is benign and spiritually empowering--what an oxymoron, btw... :)
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And when you start to see the outright lies and disinfo AND you learn that all of these characters seem to have connections: Sitchin, Maxwell, Icke, Tsarion,,, and they emulate Theosophy, which is basically "channeled" info, likely from demon spirits, IMO...

it all becomes pretty clear what is actually going on...

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And that Lou Baldin, aka Sleeper, is probably another patsy for these fallen angels, wittingly or not...

And I say this as someone who believes Lou has the best intentions and seems like a sincere guy with a fascinating story to tell...

but it is more deception along the lines of the other new agers...IMO

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Just consider: do you think it is a coincidence that all of the institutions of medicine, banking and agriculture are perversely corrupted and killing people and the main voice speaking about this is NOT the Christian voice? No, if you are sick and seek alternative means and real truth you end up by default in the new age camp because Christianity has been dumbed down by design, IMO...

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steering everyone to nwo new age is the plan and main deception... this is social engineering 101, IMO

I don't believe in coincidences...

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I used to have that kind of perspective on the "blood sacrifice" question... that it is dark and seems like it should be unnecessary...

however, we are inherently flawed and rebellious... sometimes life or death situations are the only ones we pay attention to...

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Compromise with the side that is not Love, for Love would never even once ask for such a thing and all Loving Hearts know this, is a very slippery slope.

Use discernment and weed out essential from distortion.

As to fundamental concepts, literal, sure, the compassion and walk in service to others part, but the bible is metaphor.

Genesis 32 30 Pineal! That is the city you meet God, oops, that must be a satanic distortion, like meditation and yoga.

Stay in the heart and discern.

You know when I pray, I always pray in the Name of Christ Yeshu, the Spirit of Peace and Love and the Highest Love and Goodness in Existence in Reality, by the intention of my heart overturning any negative codes in words.

I mean the meaning is I choose to recognize the message of Christ and believe He is immanuel, Goodnes with us from on High. Its a hard decision for he could be a metaphor, but...without absolute proof either way, I feel its bearing false witness against Him to say that.

But because we live in a highly coded world with mouse traps set and baited with cheese all around, the Spirit of Peace and Love is the Universal Unity and Love, the Holy Spirit of Goodness between all Holy Advanced Family from the Highest Levels of Love and Goodness there is, And the last part is self evident, truth no matter what codes there is. What I do is avoid all terms in the bible, all names coded to Saturn, such as El, or Elohim or Annanuki, or Osirius, or special pet names for "God", instead, Love and Goodness is the real deal and everything else potentially a trap with cheese.


Its fun walking in this world with both awareness and faith and they don't always meet up.

But, one thing for sure, when you turn that dial up on Love and Goodness, animal sacrifices and blood sacrifices do get tossed out the window.
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When referring to blood sacrifices I am considering that human consciousness was not what it is today and God saw fit to utilize whatever mechanism worked best within His design, in the Old Testament...

I mention Plutarch's description of Roman politics as a good example... quite brutal times... the Bible reflects our free will at that time within God's plan, IMO

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It is good to access the new age ideas to some extent, but not when it contradicts the Bible, IMO...

Of course there is a vast difference between New and Old Testaments, but the claim that Osiris or Anunaki or Saturn is encoded in the Bible should be tempered with the knowledge that anything can be manufactured for deception in the reality... especially in historical texts...

study the topic of giants, as just one example of how history is brushed under the carpet all the time and distorted...

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As well, listening to Lou Baldin's story, among others, it is clear that the supernatural/principalities "supalities" :)

are far more powerful than any earth-based weapons system... at least at the higher levels of the "supalities"... :)

Lou says that they are running and manipulating the show. I think they are just supalities and not to be trusted, to boot!

I would guess the supalities have to play by the spiritual rules and laws as God has made them.

They are manipulating behind the scenes because they have to. If they were out front people might turn to their faith in God and defeat them wholesale.

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Well, pretty much what I think about the so called mid managers, but Family and God and Love and Christ, whether you say Christ centered, or whether some say Christ energy, Christ, as in the Great Teacher and Higher Up who watches over us, and Good Cosmic Citizens, are way over their heads.

And there is a perfect plan. Its not about deleting any spirit however, there are no shredders. The perfect plan is to redeem ever single intellect in existence, and there is no other perfect plan, for no other plan is perfect. Its Love that is perfect. I have known that in my heart all my life and expect it, ask for it, and believe in nothing else even if the whole world became a hellgate. Its just shadow, illusion, distortion, insanity and is NOT REAL. Nothing but LOVE IS REAL. Distortions are shadow! Reflections. Lessons.

Anyway, I've been reading this thread, possibly on page 10, its so in depth really, I can't speed read it. Its really good. Shines Goodness. As long as one has Love and Discernment,

Well until I got to this:

Now I do not even think we have more than one life... no reincarnation, no extra chances... the season comes and then it goes... you ripen on the vine or you do not...

:)


I remember, and we are infinite parts of infinity, and have lived many lives. I remember a long journey from Lyra and what its like in real higher eutopia heavens, the only anyone would want to be, and how awful this world is since I was very small.

And there is not just one chance in a hellzone programmed world.

Even my friends grandson at 16 had the window open and remembered who he was, feline from sirius, in source, and his family watches over from time to time and he is so grateful

Gaia, testing ground without end, he called it.

And sang the words my friend wrote in another script, saying this was psalm, not to mention he wrote that with my friend form finland.

LOVE WOULD NEVER BEHAVE AS YOU THINK, HARSH AND PUNITIVE.

THERE ISN'T EVEN A FOREVER HELL THAT WAS A LATER ADDITION.

THE SYSTEM IS INFINITE PROGRESSION HOWEVER LONG SOME TAKE.

I CONSIDER IT VIOLATING FREE WILL AND THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH. THE BAD GUYS ALL HEALING HOSPITALS AND COUNSELING AND THAT IS WHAT LOVE IS LIKE. NOT HELL< LESSON FAILURE HELL LESSON FAILURE PAIN PAIN AND MORE PAIN. ITS INSANE TO EVEN LEARN THIS WAY.

LOVE NEVER DOES THAT AND ONLY LOVE IS REAL THE REST IS SHADOW.
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Yes, my jury is still a bit undecided as to reincarnation and God's ultimate plan... I am more looking at the smartest path here, in this reality, where deception runs so deep and we are all prone to be tested...

Some say it is a difficult choice to come here and that it is just a ride for experience and learning... however, Jesus clearly states that there will be a harvest and this seems to be an important aspect of this reality: the harvest of souls for the Divine.

Maybe some spirit energies are harmonious enough to go through different life-times and it is pleasant to consider this,,,

I have has dreams I died on a battle-field in Greek or Roman times... but this may just be a distraction and separation from God.

:)
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I consider that God will not keep all of his creations and if we want eternal life it will be through the teachings of Jesus Christ... all else may be deception and/or distraction. It is easy and seductive to think we are God's creations and so that makes us important. This might be a perilous mentality of ego.

We must consider life within the context of lucifer's rebellion and the reality we are in.

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Homosexuality

The growth in homosexuality may be by design, much like the corrupted institutions of food, medicine, education, churches, etc...

During my time researching cures for the toxicity I was dealing with from 911, I came across a few references to how diet and nutrition of the mother effects the baby in the womb. Often exposure to the wrong kind of hormones or toxicity or the lack of certain nutrients or minerals can dramatically effect the outcome of the child, in terms of health, intelligence, height and even sexual predisposition.

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In fact, there is a controversial modality I have read about that some gay men have gone through to change their sexual preferences.

I do not know the names and protocols--may do some research and report back here--I simply was not interested beyond a passing notice, both because I am not gay and because I had bigger fish to fry with daily heart and chest pains... :)

But I remember being quite shocked to consider that many gay men and women might be gay because of circumstances not just beyond their control, but well within the control of their parents, had their parents been aware of the importance of certain foods or other things...

I do remember that gayness can be addressed hormonally and with other means--now more than ever this is probably possible...

Interesting that gay and bi-sexual culture has never been so 'out' and popular... It is pretty obvious that the media, via films, tv and music has been pushing this agenda for some time...

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Real gay men know that most straight men are not a threat to them nor have they ever really been a threat...

most straight men do not care if another is gay, so long as they don't put it on them...

think about it: more gay men simply means less competition for the girls...

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I have had many gay friends in my years as both a model and in fashion/advertising....

I like gay dudes and usually once you get to know them the relationship is easy and normal, once they know you are not gay...

one time the head of a very well-known women's modeling agency in NYC kept calling my agency to ask me out to lunch...

he was infatuated with me and it was getting to be embarrassing so I called him up and he promised to stop calling my agency if I would just go out to lunch with him... so I agreed... I always was a sucker for free food and he took me to a very expensive cafe in SOHO...

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So we went to lunch and he proceeded to try to convince me that I was gay...

many gay men are convinced that straight guys are gay or could be made to be gay... they honestly do not appreciate women the same way hetero's do... :)

I mean, I have been wrecked by women in ways a man just could never do... and they have tried... :)

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Homosexuals

So we went to lunch and he told me how relationships between men is a "spiritual" experience and the intimacy transcended sex... i think he thought if he became my friend he could eventually seduce me...

He told me I just hadn't met the right man yet, implying that he was that "sugar daddy" and transcendent human being... I have to admit he was dressed in very expensive clothes and had great style... plus he was very successful... his agency was a small hip agency with some of the most beautiful girls in NY... there were no men in his agency... it was just a small boutique agency and anyone who knows fashion would know it... a relationship with him would have meant a successful career... he knew everyone...

being young and uncaring for "success" except on my own terms, I told him maybe he hadn't met the right girl yet... that maybe there was some girl out there who could do it for him...

he replied: "No! Because I don't like pussy and tits!"

I responded: "I thought you said it was a "spiritual" transcendent relationship you were looking for?"

His face sunk... he had lost and the seduction was over... true colors... gay men are more slutty than straight men... there are many sluts who are straight, but there are also many hetero's who just want that special girl and settle down... this is rare to unheard of among the many gays I have known... if gay men settle down it is because their hormones have cooled...

I have tended to have a monogamous relationship, except for a while, when I fell deep into the culture and actually thought I should bed as many girls from as many different backgrounds and races as possible...

as I have figured out health I have also figured out how to keep my hormones and sex drive robust... but now as someone who is following Christ and who understands the true import and power of a monogamous relationship with one woman, in love, passion and commitment... it has not been too difficult to maintain my current marriage of seven years without cheating... I think even my wife is surprised by my persistent desire for her and my faithfulness...

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Basically, as someone who had to learn to heal myself from supposedly incurable afflictions, it is clear that we should all question anything the mainstream is pushing...

gayness is not a one-way street... it may very well be a choice, once the truth of the hormonal and nutritional angles becomes more widely known... I am guessing there is also a neural component to this--I had my brain "balanced" by a highly advanced bio-feedback program as just one of many things I did on my path to better health...

the biggest issue with this is that once someone is gay they may not want to change... many factors might influence this... it has seemed to me, especially among lesbians i have known, but also among some gay men, that poor success with the opposite sex has led them to the "alternative" lifestyle choice of being gay and the "outsider" status this gives them...

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Christ-centered people are tasked with very straight-forward tasks when it comes to someone they do not agree with: to pray for them and to point out the truth as they know it from the stand-point of love and compassion for God and each other...

each of us is an expression of God and when Jesus teaches: "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’"

He means that how we treat each other is how we treat him. And this is how we will be judged. Not by each other, but by God and this will be based on how we treat each other.

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Christ-centered people are tasked with very straight-forward tasks when it comes to someone they do not agree with: to pray for them and to point out the truth as they know it from the stand-point of love and compassion for God and each other...

each of us is an expression of God and when Jesus teaches: "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’"

He means that how we treat each other is how we treat him. And this is how we will be judged. Not by each other, but by God and this will be based on how we treat each other.

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the cool thing about the above is that this is all we really need to worry about while we are here...

not riches, not fame, not material gain or even long life... not even being perfect or especially expecting this from others...

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I have confronted death so many times from so many different angles and seen first-hand how if it's not your time you are not going to die...

and when it is your time, so long as you are right with God and His plan, you have every reason to celebrate death here in this material plane...

the nature of this reality is far more supernatural and profound than we can possibly imagine... it is only the perception of mundanity and what we choose to believe that limits this awareness...

this is why we must be very careful with the media we attach our consciousness to and realize that generally, it is and has been tightly controlled for a very long time... even in literature... and once you realize this you can see clearly how most every film and song is limiting your consciousness by the absence of the living God...

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some would say this is what religion is--just another from of controlled media... the difference is that the Bible clearly shows us that with God all things are possible... it is ultimately an empowering document trying to give us a blue print for how to live in order to attain spiritual harmony with God so that we have a place in eternity...

satanists are trying to achieve the same ends with science... for a while I thought that was the goal and that we might be the first generation to see material eternal life and travel the stars...

I mean isn't science trying to merge us with machines? will we be able to "down-load" consciousness onto a hard drive or into a super computer... be rid of the mortal coil? this is fallacious hubris, IMO

we are so ignorant we cannot see the forest from the trees...

the massive and awesome force of God makes me think now that we will never be more than fleas on the back of a tiger, far less, unless and until we achieve eternal life through humility to God...

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some say "it's just a ride", quoting the comedian, Hicks... Hicks was quite pejorative and judgmental towards life and his fellow human being... on some fundamental level he really didn't get the purpose of God's plan nor his place within it...

you can see this in his stand-up and by the fact that he died of cancer in his 30s... on some level disease is just that: dis-ease... it is psychosomatic... this is why people have"spontaneous remissions" IMO... they realize that they want to live and that life is a beautiful and wondrous thing... a creation of God, even... :)

If someone is sick the first thing I would ask them is: do you want to live?

Then I might bring up God and other aspects, but first get that person to consider what they might be free willing into their lives without even realizing it...

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I have said that I like John Lear and that I have learned a lot from him... he seems good-natured and kind-hearted... and his life has been adventurous and interesting and even though he had a privileged upbringing (I have known people who went to H.S. in Switzerland and you are talking about the true elite in density not found in even most american prep schools) he didn't take the easiest path and he laid his life on the line and had some fun, by all appearances, someone worthy of respect, IMO

However. he is taking, by his own admission, a form of opiate for pain. He seems resigned to this... opiates are pleasant (tried a few types) and useful (take away the pain) but they are no long-term solution to anything, especially peak health or even regular health...

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So right away I know there is a problem. I don't even have to go to God or Jesus Christ or the fact that he used an icon of Christ on the cross photoshopped with his head on it (may be some envy, hate or fear implied in that, btw) to realize to know this about him.

The scale missing from his armor even for a secularist is taking opiates to deal with a health issue...

opiates effect metabolism and can upset the bodies ability to process food properly... that's why so many of the famous heroin addicts are thin... I have known a few addicts and never met a fat one... wiry and thin... almost emaciated...

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And Opiates effect motor skills and judgement...

one time a heroin addict friend of mine asked me and a buddy of mine to help him move... we had a beat up old truck that had one side caved in from an accident (don't know why, but the truck drove great, though the door didn't open on the passenger side--don't know if it was registered or legal--can't remember)

Anyway, my friend lived on 42nd St and we pulled up to his apt on the West side of Manhattan and when we went up there he pulled out a baggy and we all proceeded to snort some really fine stuff and start the move... it took us hours and hours... we would take one run up bring something down and then just lay down on the hood of the truck in all kinds of contorted positions and just float along in a dream-filled haze...

it was a mixture of one of the best and worst things I have ever done--moving furniture on heroin! :)

I say this not because I think John is out of his mind, but to say I know the extremes of this substance and I have even tried the oxycontin variety that he is probably taking, in lesser amounts...

for short-term issues, yes... but for chronic issues John is dealing with, absolutely not...

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I can't remember where I heard this--oh yes, a good buddy of mine who knows a lot about health--William Boroughs, one of the biggest junkies to have a long life, used to regularly use an orgone box designed by Reich... that made a lot of sense to me...

and it points towards where I am going with this part of the thread: John does not really understand the nature of the reality he is in... he has a rather traditional take regarding health and probably trusts his doctor... a perilous path, IMO...

doctors are over-educated in all the wrong ways and I say this as someone who's dad went to the best med schools in the country... you are talking about arrogance and pseudo-science at its best...

and worse: extreme ignorance someone payed a lot of time and money for and shows like "House" re-enforce...

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John Lear's fundamental ignorance

What would I do if I was John?

How old are you John, like 60s? 70s?

This means that according to the Weston Price Institute and Weston Price's own studies, you have at least another 60 or 70 years!

think about that John... you are on the slow boat to China right now...

by design, I might add...

they got people fooled into thinking 60s and 70s mean you are getting old: bullshit.

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So what would I do if I was John?

I would first get on the best vitamins on the market: beyondhealth.com

If you can afford it, just go crazy there, especially the vitamin C and the multivitamins... and trash all the other stuff you might be taking...

I would follow the dude who runs that site to a T... even try to talk to him, read his book, etc...

he seems to have a good piece of the puzzle... plus read the book: "Detox or Die"

then I would get some very powerful enzymes (custom probiotics), some super blue green algaes (they make some powerful mixes) spirulina and chlorella to take every day (2 times a day), some MSM powder, some Braggs raw vinegar... let' face it, no one has time or inclination to eat 3-5 salads a day... this is a short-cut...

then I would find the most powerful detox clinic around and submit myself to 2-4 weeks of whatever they tell me to do... NYDETOX.org worked great... but keep taking the spirulina mix--it will help w the toxins and accompanying nausea from ridding yourself of them...

detox? this is because the joint pain is probably from toxins building up in the ligaments and generally hampering your energy field...

Once you do all of this, in about 6 weeks you will basically be back on track to live vigorous, pain-free and drug-free until you die peacefully in your sleep in another 60 years...

:)

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