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John Lear may be wrong about Christ

 
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Then once you really feel how awesome life can be again--and I mean like when you were in your teens and 20s type of feeling, but now with the wisdom and experience of age... as God intended before the foods got corrupted and the toxins put into everything...

you might start to garden and even raise bees... as much to know where your food comes from as to enjoy the profundity of creation...

and you might realize, perhaps, that maybe there really is a God and that his plan includes you in it... and you are loved by Him and that he is your true Father...

you might even dabble in prayer to find out...

God might even answer you in a myriad of significant and profound ways...

and you might, in fact, take all of the teachings of Lou and the "aliens" and the new age to a new height that is more selfless and beautiful than anything you can experience otherwise...

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And for the broken bones that still ache, even after all of the above, I would research Dr. Hulda Clarke's work with parasites and zappers...

Detoxing maybe enough, as I had serious knee lock-up before detoxing I thought was from rigorous extreme snowboarding--plenty of people I know have had knee surgery from stressed and damaged knees from skiing... doctors don't seem to understand that the body will heal itself if given the right conditions, which include detoxing and nutrition... it's an energy field, not a bunch of nuts and bolts to be cut and pasted...

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My wife had carpal tunnel on her wrist--she typed a lot of papers while going to law school and one winter she broke her wrist snowboarding and had to wear a brace even after the injury healed...

Eventually, even the brace didn't help and when she complained to me about it I reasoned that a combination of DMSO, followed by use of an orgone enhanced zapper would probably heal it for good. I suspected that the real problem with broken bones acting up had to do with microscopic parasites that prevent the broken bones from healing entirely... the DMSO would lesson the inflammation and increase flow and healing to the area and the zapper would kill the little critters holding things up... plus the orgone would bring in healing energy to the area...

all of this might be best dealt with by prayer, but for those "do-it-yourselfers" this worked great...

in two days an issue she had battled for months disappeared completely and she never had to wear a brace again... and the injury never bothered her thereafter...

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If you haven't listened to Carolyn Hamlett, she's a good place to start.
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I listened to her two interviews and just want to say thanks for the links, it was great to hear her witness
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By the way, I do believe in Christ, head of the Nazarenes and an Essene. Who was a true Higher Up and therefore Immanuel, Goodness with us. This is the real thing behind Peter, Nazarene, and Paul, Roman Trojan Horse.

I like what James Gilliland writes about Mary, being from a pure Lyra descendant because this is the real star past of the planet, Lyra, Pleiades and Sirius, Orion, Acturian, Andromeda, etc.

I "like" doesnt mean I say I know that is true.


One thing that puts the odds much higher that Jesus really existed is that they included a part in the Bible that most definitely meant something, but it was distorted, the true meaning hidden, and they simply wouldn't have added this or taken time to distort this if He were not real.

I am referring to his "court case".

They were under Roman Law, which is the basis of our own Corporate Law.

The Sovereign Movement and Common Law legal actions, have made the news a bit. The idea of a strawman, or the colors of the law, or the reason why they have birth certifates, which basically is to subvert your constitutional rights and make you into this avatar, corporate logo, and not a real flesh and blood person who is constitutionally protected.

Because many of their laws are not lawful, or constitutional.

And its car sales person cheating and isn't legal in the least. But without masses waking up and saying No and not budging, it won't change.

Now, Corporate Law is based on Common Law.

Why do you think Christ Yeshu/Jesus said this:


[link to www.biblegateway.com]

Your Words Not Mine,

That's What You Say

You Have Said It.

He obviously attempted to do a Sovereign Defense in Court.

[link to delveintojesus.com]
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If you haven't listened to Carolyn Hamlett, she's a good place to start.
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I listened to her two interviews and just want to say thanks for the links, it was great to hear her witness
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no worries--thanks for dropping by... Carolyn is great--fills in a few questions... God must be using her...

Caryl Matrisciana's take on yoga and H. Potter is also a good listen, as is Johanna Michealsen--though the latter is a bit extreme due to her fairly extreme level of experiences (I don't think we need to follow the Old Testament to the degree she does) but the insights into the new age is useful...

peace

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David dIcke Icke

Everyone seeking truth should watch this dudes vids: Chris White.

Like me, he was into a lot of the alternative/ new age stuff and eventually decided to scratch the surface of films like "Zeitgeist" and vids of some of the biggest proponents...

I like his expose on Mr. Icke:

[link to youtu.be]

"The Biggest Secret of David dIcke (sic)"

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does anyone know what sleeper has to say about the likelihood of a "fake alien invasion" scenario?

It occurs to me that if it is true that:

1) supposed aliens in underground bases do not like Christ-followers and request them not to be around;

2) Christianity is the only religion maligned by supposed aliens during abduction phenomenon;

3) Supposed aliens are in fact demonic and beholden to Christ-believers;

that it will be impossible to pull off a fake alien invasion whilst there are still so many Christ believers around.

Is this why Pike writes for the destruction of Christianity in "Morals and Dogma?"

It seems likely that first the nwo must weaken Christianity to the point where we free will allow them to bring in earth changes, so that in the chaos they can slaughter Christians whole-sale to bring in the supposed "alien" rulers who otherwise would be subjugated by Christians calling on Christ.

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Of course, there is the possibility that the nwo already have a fake alien invasion capability they are waiting to unleash..

the whole earth changes thing will probably still play a huge role in this...

this reminds me of how if you have a health crisis like I did, you invariably end up in the new age camp because Christian churches are corrupted and cannot really tell you how to heal yourself, short of an amazing act of faith few can muster, especially under the gun of a health crisis...

think of all the different variations on earth changes being purveyed... Nibiru, Man-made Global bs, HAARP, now the supposed stopping of the loop current in the gulf, solar fluctuations, cows farting, undersea volcanoes... etc... and all the pollution allowed to persist in the oceans, as if to give the whole story and end-times some kind of window dressing...

I call major bsflag

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Of course, there is the possibility that the nwo already have a fake alien invasion capability they are waiting to unleash..

the whole earth changes thing will probably still play a huge role in this...

this reminds me of how if you have a health crisis like I did, you invariably end up in the new age camp because Christian churches are corrupted and cannot really tell you how to heal yourself, short of an amazing act of faith few can muster, especially under the gun of a health crisis...

think of all the different variations on earth changes being purveyed... Nibiru, Man-made Global bs, HAARP, now the supposed stopping of the loop current in the gulf, solar fluctuations, cows farting, undersea volcanoes... etc... and all the pollution allowed to persist in the oceans, as if to give the whole story and end-times some kind of window dressing...

I call major bsflag

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the whole scenario reeks of Ken Peters prophesy... sloppy it reminds me of 911...

God wants us to see this clearly without a doubt in our minds.

And He wants us to see that as beautiful and wonderful as this part of creation can be, it is merely a sand box compared to the next place we are going... here's where I think John Lear has it right...

will you get their with a kind heart and good deeds? That is for God to decide...

you might consider, if you buy the whole sleeper paradigm, that the aliens might value God believers over those who think they are superior to this notion.

For one thing, if it is higher dimensional aliens running things, this reality is likely a place for them to learn about God--a notion that transcends development. This is then a simulation for them to learn about themselves and the nature of God. This should be obvious, simply based on the number of Gods and religions.

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But I will still take boots on the ground over the flimsy deception of supposed aliens...

the sloppiness of 911 was likely serving a purpose and allowed for a reason...

and the next events are likely to be just as easy to see the flaws in...

funny how again the Christian church has hardly a peep to say about 911 but again ALL the big voices on this obvious shenanigan is coming from new agers and Christ deniers...

Zeitgeist, a film full of lies and mistruths, is the greatest example of this spin...

and the only real explanation for the amazing coordination and long-term planning involved is the supernatural demon spirits influencing things from behind the scenes...

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ask yourself, where is the counter-balance to the new age take that aliens created us, like in the film "Prometheus?"

"The Passion of Christ" made big bucks, so how come we don't see more Bible stories and Christ-centered stories based on this stuff at the box office?

Rather Christians are always depicted pejoratively... it is obvious that the agenda is to be rid of Christians and their pesky consciousness.

the new age is essentially a setup for genocide.

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Let's repost the list here for late-comers who don't start at the beginning:

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My youtube links don't always work so I have compiled a list w descriptions, most of which is on youtube:

Bare in mind I do not belong to any church and prefer to live a Christ-centered life by reading the bible, prayer and research in ALL fields.


0.5) *Age of Deceit (FULL) Fallen Angels and the New World Order


a) “The ufo phenomenon represents a manifestation of a reality that transcends our current understanding of physics... The ufos are physical manifestations that cannot be understood apart from their psychic and symbolic reality. What we see in effect here is not an alien invasion. It is a control system which acts on humans and uses humans.”
--Dr. Jaques Vallee, researcher

0.55) John Mack, M.D. - Harvard professor, ufo/abduction researcher


1)John Todd--

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) former high-level witch and illuminati and converted Druid Priest. Says that they run the show, especially drug trafic, and have more money than they know what to do with.
b) they will destroy economy or any company whenever it suits the objective--money no option. Rothchilds at top communing direct w lucifer.
c) Salem witch trials was actually one group of witches getting rid of another and Christians who were meeting to pray--Christians who pray obstruct the ability of witches to conjure and manipulate demons (see #2 below)
d) we can deduce that the persecution of cathars and the inquisitions and other witch burning pandemics may have had similar roots
e) ufos are demonic (even U.S. govt. w craft it could be argued, are simply occultists working wittingly or not to bring in “end times.”
f) interesting that William Bramley found historic ufo sightings before every major outbreak of the plague in middle ages AND hovering above the vatican.
He also says he used to pay off most of the large churches under his jurisdiction.


2)Lucifer's Children

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) former Vietnam vet--compelling story about how satanists work, why they really don't like Christ followers and why he converted to Christ.


3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) another former satanist, he claims he was recruited to be a high priest with special abilities from a young age
b) lots of interesting aspects to above points
c) very "regular" type of guy--seems sincere.


4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher Joseph Jordan who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up. Over 400 cases of this to date!

a)The family showcased at the end have been repeatedly mentioned on A&E Channel without ever mentioning that they are now healed of the abusive abduction phenomenon that plagued them.

b) It seems likely that there are many ways we can open ourselves up to demonic energies, especially when we do not follow rules of the bible or know about the occult knowledge. The latter is not fool-proof as the wisest man in the bible, Solomon, fell prey to his own hubris and the tales of former satanists and witches, etc are quite telling and similar: Jesus Christ is the only way out.

c) the ways to open ourselves up to demonic are all consciousness-based, ultimately, but include films, tv, music, mind-altering substances (I say this as a person who loves herb, but have stopped smoking), etc... Herb is probably a medicine that even Terrance McKenna said was abused by most and should only be used once a week, ideally.

[link to vimeo.com]

d) some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...


5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically... [link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ

a) He was born into an illuminati family, was schooled by jesuits in special schools in Nepal and learned to meditate (open self to demonic energy), levitate and gain psychic abilities the illuminati and IBM specifically were planning to use him for bringing in the NWO and “end times.”
b) His story is very interesting, mirrors former satanists and exposes the New Age religions.
c) Again, Jesus Christ the only way out and he literally had to confront death when the order tried to get him back.
d) Great example of the spiritual rules that really exist and run things here.


6) Roger Morneau--1946 he got into Supernatural secret society... great guy, amazing story! [link to www.youtube.com]

a) Maybe one of the best “former secret societies” stories and probably the oldest on video record.
b) He got involved in 1946 and had many supernatural experiences
they used fear to compel members to “initiate”
c) He gives great back-story to the luciferian plan and how old it really is.
d) more insight into New Age religion being a luciferian trap.
e) Explains the three basic classes of “fallen angels” and how they confuse and manipulate us.
f) escaped certain death through Jesus Christ.
g) Perhaps the biggest deception is that people no longer believe in the supernatural or the likelihood of satan and dark principalities... the real x-files.


7) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin. [link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w

a) there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite.
b) other researchers have uncovered that even the men involved in the original test were biased against the Shroud.
c) One of the men involved was found to have requested cloth from middle ages similar to the Shroud.
d) The other forensics on this are amazing and entertaining.


8) Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines,

a) born w special abilities
b) worked w "ascended masters" who she names
c. says it's all a luciferian deception

“spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings”
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


9) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related

a) Explains why and how hallucinogens are used by sorcerers who really run things, to access and manipulate demonic energy.
b) John Dee was the original 007--I thought this was cool!
c) All his vids are worth a look, though he has no apparent take on Jesus Christ.


10) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story...

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) was born with special abilities
b) was being groomed to take over position with famous shamanic healer in mexico
c) took part in many amazing healing sessions performing brain surgeries and other amazing feats
d) concluded that it was demonic energy healing people (see Roger Morneau for how this is possible)
e) was even fooled by false Christ (see Carolyn Hamlett) and finally determined the only way for someone like her to eliminate the demonic was to study and follow rules layed out in Bible.

11) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

[link to www.youtube.com]


13) Randall Baer's extensive New Age experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet

a) the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB, especially from scientific and arts culture.
b) unabomber to this day denies making bombs
c) unabomber took part in mind-control program at Harvard.
d) The interviews of famous intellectuals and artists who helped usher in the internet and the enslaving technocracy are funny and surprising.
e) shows that reality is what we make it, literally
f) God gives us a free-will and right now that is being manipulated by evil forces towards “end times.”

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

15) Jesuit Sorcerer history: [link to be] foreitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatic​an-connection-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-​2469282.html

a) Appears to be well-researched article on the pervasive control of the jesuit order and how the only force that has been successful against these dark sorcerers is Protestant, real Christ believers, with a Bible and a gun.
b) Personally, it seems to be too late for a gun, though I am not in any way for gun control, but people might be better served just with Jesus Christ and a Bible given the modern weapons available to tptb now.
c) Youtube for more on this: Ex Jesuit Alberto Rivera and others Speak on Jesuit infiltration
d) the above, plus John Todd, Jordan Maxwell, Carolyn Hamlett, etc, all say churches given bad rap (Jordan says Churches are corrupted) by infiltration and other than Jordan they are saying this is by design to lead people away from spiritual power of Jesus Christ.


16) Professor Walter Veith on Supernatural and Evolution v. Creationism

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

a) Start with his testimony--supernatural conflict brings on new understanding...
b) see all his well-documented lectures on Evolution and how the vatican has an agenda to make Sunday the official NWO religious day of worship, soon to be mandated.


17) Ken Peters - Visions for End Times

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) buckle your seat belts for this one
b) very prophetic--not sure what it means.
c) hope it doesn't happen--we are responsible.


18) All of the Youtube vids from The Prophesy Club are very telling and thorough. The Jesus Christ followers seem to me to be the most well-researched, radical and sincere of all the info on the net.

19) Music Industry and Hollywood as satanic

a) aside from John Todd, we have a clear pattern on youtube of satanisms pervasive influence, the worst for me being clear signs that Bob Dylan and John Lennon sold their souls for fame. (see 60 minutes interview w Bob Dylan sold soul)

[link to www.youtube.com]

b) This rabbit hole sadly covers most of the industry and artists I used to love
I still listen to and watch certain art forms, but it is clear there is a problem and I now prefer classical music. :)

20) Caryl Matrisciana- Spiritual Warfare

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) Grew up in India
b) Deception through new terms and “new-think” that seem reasonable
c) all cultures around the world based on the reality of the supernatural
d) Aum as the void out of which the word of God created;
altruistic love of Jesus Christ different from other religions in India, specifically, where religion, more than in West, serve as a means of oppression of truth and spirit; caste system.
Jesus to rule in Jerusalem - reason for its importance globally.
Eastern arts, yoga-->”giving up your mind-->designed to waken the snake/commune w demon energy--> self-oriented. “Yolk with braman energy.”
Anyone who does not agree with New Age/NWO?UN/satanic religion will be rounded up as part of the problem.
The New Age science is designed to prove “we are all one” so that the part of us that is perceived as bad can be rounded up into FEMA camps.

nytimes on Yoga and philandering (more ego)
[link to www.nytimes.com]


21) short clip--CSPAN, ufos & a false flag future--Rep. John Haller, PA


[link to www.youtube.com]

22 Earthquake Kelly--all of his youtubes are great and insightful into the supernatural.

23) Ditto Chris White's vids on Youtube
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You can't write a story about someone like that, and then have followers. You just can't do it. If it was that easy to come up with some type of person that people should follow, modern politics would have used this simple technique years ago.

Christ was real and had an impact on society. End of story.
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It seems like you would have to be willfully ignorant or unlucky to not come to an understanding that 911, fake moon landings, alien invasion talk and earth changes is not all connected and leading us towards an obviously Biblical scenario...of end times...

if enough wake up the whole simulation might continue to play out for a while longer... as the harvest increases...

but simulation, alien or pistis sophia... it has all led me to realize that God and Jesus Christ have an important and profound place in our lives...

cut through the bs of the media, cut through the bs of the pseudo-rebellion veneered across your heart and mind through the bs of rock and roll and drug culture, look honestly at the facts and the true rebellion on this planet at this time and you see it is harder to follow Christ, Christ's path is more honest and takes more courage and it becomes obvious that He is the true path...

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You can't write a story about someone like that, and then have followers. You just can't do it. If it was that easy to come up with some type of person that people should follow, modern politics would have used this simple technique years ago.

Christ was real and had an impact on society. End of story.
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Another nice one! Thanks for chiming in...

and special thanks to all the "booga boogas" like John Lear, Jordan Maxwell, David dIcke Icke, Tsarion, Lash, CMN, the whole luciferian deception, etc etc... and to God for making it all so obvious and clear eventually, even for stubborn egoic and blind fools like me...

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I just had a long conversation w a lesbian about homosexuality...

1) we are not to judge anyone, but rather pray for...

2) Christ does not say anything about it and I suspect homosexuality itself is not an issue, as none can throw the first stone...

3) it is the lifestyle many gays lead (not unlike many heteros) with drug use, promiscuity and Godlessness, that is problematic.. many gays do not live this way.

4) many gay people go to church and are Christians

5) much of homosexuality is probably due to circumstances beyond the gay person's control, such as the diet and nutrition of the mother while baby is in the womb...

6) gayness can be changed with nutrition, prayer and other protocols, if the gay person wants to change... again, Christ seems to imply that there is nothing in the material that can prevent you from having eternal life, it is love of God and how you treat your fellow human that is most important... gay people are very compassionate and can be quite Godly, even when they consider their lifestyle a sin...

7) I still curse and occasionally drink too much, though less and less... am I damned even though I pray everyday and tell people about Christ whenever I get the chance?

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"we are eternal spiritual beings" is a nice feeling to have, but when you consider God and His plan to NOT have rebellious creations running around eternally denying Him and doing whatever they want, it makes more sense to think of yourself as a part of God's garden--you will either produce fruit for Him or you will be destroyed... no worries if you don't value eternity...

sure, part of your essence may go on, but probably not your consciousness as it is ordered currently...

this is why lucifer is in charge here... and he is in charge here... of that there is no doubt... to tempt and to help God separate weeds from wheat...

so fear God if that's what it takes... He is the Creator and we are just His creations, made in His image... given free will and awareness... enough to learn humility and love of God and each other or not...

lucifer was made as one of the most beautiful creations and his fate is no different than anyone who denies God...

try tending a garden or bees and it will appear more obvious...

God created Grizzly bears and other beast with all of their voracity... imagine the awesomeness of creation and all of the beauty and destruction within it... not some kindly old man who is whoever you want Him to be, but someone you cannot fathom...

terrible and profound...

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Herb

Bible says we are to use the herbs...

There is evidence that one ingredient in anointing oil was hemp oil....

Legalizing the ability to grow hemp would be one of the most empowering things that could happen to Americans.

Now three states have legalized just "use"... sounds like the peeps in control of the crop think they can have their cake and eat it too...

now with predator drones, maybe they can...

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Herb

I would be very skeptical of any herb you can't grow yourself... given how polluted crops can get and how lazy and uncaring agribusiness is... can we expect better practices from herb growers?

legalizing use is not enough... but it is a step in the right direction...

legalized hemp would allow regular people to make products that would empower them against agribusiness, pharmaceutical crap and energy magnates...

this is why it will not be legal to grow hemp anytime soon...

juicing hemp for food consumption would end disease and make everyone smarter and healthier...

smoking better organic strains developed by artists and responsible eco-friendly folks would likely result in a shift in consciousness... and a creative outburst, insights into the nature of reality and God not seen since the founding fathers grew and founded a nation based on sane and beautiful principles...

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Did I mention that I have been banned from this site like 4 times now... once even after paying money to be unbanned?

did I say something wrong? I generally try to be polite...

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Dream - Solar event and Polar shift

I don't usually have this kind of dream, but last night I had a dream I was with someone who looked like a middle-aged s. american shaman...

I do not know where I was--at times I felt like I might have been above the surface of the earth...

then I saw the sun and it looked huge in the sky and was white in color... It could have taken up about half of the sky with its size but from where I was it only took up the horizon in a huge arc...

the shaman seemed to know what was happening and was just sort of there, watching with me... I don't know if he was there to show me something... but he seemed to have a goodness about him...

I remember wondering if the sun would burn us and realizing that somehow it was not...

then we were on the surface of the earth and the gravity seemed to weaken and everything turned upside down... it was like the continents just flipped or slid around.
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Actually the shaman part I have had before, but the earth changes part was odd, for me...

I wonder if there is not a meme put out in the culture and EMFs from cell towers or HAARP and/or other sources that is manipulating our minds?

2012 has been loaded with this... I expect the year will end like every other year...

but won't be surprised if tshf and or some major earth changes occur... something that may usher in the nwo UN into full effective control...

just keep reading the new testament and don't really bother with being too concerned either way...

main thing seems to be to expect persecution if this happens and to be ok with it... move on to Jesus--would be an honor to die for my beliefs... feels oddly like the expectation of an intense roller coaster ride... exhilarating to know that we do not really die and to actually witness my own death will be intense, in whatever form it takes...

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Dream - Solar event and Polar shift

I don't usually have this kind of dream, but last night I had a dream I was with someone who looked like a middle-aged s. american shaman...

I do not know where I was--at times I felt like I might have been above the surface of the earth...

then I saw the sun and it looked huge in the sky and was white in color... It could have taken up about half of the sky with its size but from where I was it only took up the horizon in a huge arc...

the shaman seemed to know what was happening and was just sort of there, watching with me... I don't know if he was there to show me something... but he seemed to have a goodness about him...

I remember wondering if the sun would burn us and realizing that somehow it was not...

then we were on the surface of the earth and the gravity seemed to weaken and everything turned upside down... it was like the continents just flipped or slid around.
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Thread: Anyone experiencing or have experienced prophetic/apocalyptic dreams? (NEW DREAM 2/21/11)

I had a dream similar to this back in 2006. In the dream my daughter (who was 5 at the time)and I were attending a backyard party. I didn't know any of the people but was invited to be there. My daughter and I were hanging out on the back porch and it was now dark out. People were milling about and my daughter and I sat down on the concrete of the porch with our backs against the house. I saw the moon hanging in the sky, a full moon, and it seemed so large that it startled me. It was big and plump and kind of orange tint to it. I was thinking how strange it looked because it seemed way too close. I looked away because it frightened me. Nobody else seemed to notice and seemed oblivious.

I was a bit freaked out and then suddenly realized that the moon was in the wrong part of the sky. My stomach sunk and I was freaked but I made myself look at it again. When I looked back the moon was even closer and this time very dark orange. I realized at that point that it wasn't the moon, it was actually the sun. In a flash sun grew 50 times large, then went small to a speck, then went black with a weird blue ring left behind (big ring.)

I grabbed my daughters arm and ran into the back door of this house. Right across the back door was cellar stairs and I brought her down there with me. We huddled in a corner with my body wrapped over hers. I could hear everything freezing over outside, crackling and snapping. As it drew right up to us I woke up.

Analysis welcome.
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since I quit smoking herb I seem to be way more in control of what goes on in my dreams...

I did have a fallen angel in my dream about a week ago... his name was aziezel or something like that... I basically was refusing to deal with him... when I woke up I wondered if he has been in the background of my life for some time...

then there was a beautiful witch who tried to seduce me and I just kept talking about Jesus and how she needed to come around to Christ...

dealing with these types of folks is like dealing with an alcoholic... a kind of sticky energy... I have known a few incorrigible alcoholics of good cheer and intellect... my natural sympathetic side used to make me want to drink with them... and often I would... :) thinking about this reminded me of Carolyn Hamlett's testimonies...

now I can see that they are just lost and stubborn spirits, somehow distorted... the fallen angels and those who practice the occult are essentially egoically stuck... they probably think they like their distortion and do not want help, even if was offered to them...

we can pray for people to be protected from demonic influence and hope that while the protection lasts they consider an alternate life style... It seems like we need to be aware of the supernatural component influencing those whose lives are destructive... the most powerful thing we can do for them is pray for them to be protected... then, without the demonic influence, they become more innocent again and more capable of making the right choices...

the more I pray the less I am inclined to do a whole range of things like cursing, drinking, smoking... I even look at girls differently... I still like the basic shapes and form but it is less lustful, more based on beautiful notions...

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since I quit smoking herb I seem to be way more in control of what goes on in my dreams...

I did have a fallen angel in my dream about a week ago... his name was aziezel or something like that... I basically was refusing to deal with him... when I woke up I wondered if he has been in the background of my life for some time...

then there was a beautiful witch who tried to seduce me and I just kept talking about Jesus and how she needed to come around to Christ...

dealing with these types of folks is like dealing with an alcoholic... a kind of sticky energy... I have known a few incorrigible alcoholics of good cheer and intellect... my natural sympathetic side used to make me want to drink with them... and often I would... :) thinking about this reminded me of Carolyn Hamlett's testimonies...

now I can see that they are just lost and stubborn spirits, somehow distorted... the fallen angels and those who practice the occult are essentially egoically stuck... they probably think they like their distortion and do not want help, even if was offered to them...

we can pray for people to be protected from demonic influence and hope that while the protection lasts they consider an alternate life style... It seems like we need to be aware of the supernatural component influencing those whose lives are destructive... the most powerful thing we can do for them is pray for them to be protected... then, without the demonic influence, they become more innocent again and more capable of making the right choices...

the more I pray the less I am inclined to do a whole range of things like cursing, drinking, smoking... I even look at girls differently... I still like the basic shapes and form but it is less lustful, more based on beautiful notions...

:)
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Azazel is one of the Watchers.

[link to echoes.devin.com]
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since I quit smoking herb I seem to be way more in control of what goes on in my dreams...

I did have a fallen angel in my dream about a week ago... his name was aziezel or something like that... I basically was refusing to deal with him... when I woke up I wondered if he has been in the background of my life for some time...

then there was a beautiful witch who tried to seduce me and I just kept talking about Jesus and how she needed to come around to Christ...

dealing with these types of folks is like dealing with an alcoholic... a kind of sticky energy... I have known a few incorrigible alcoholics of good cheer and intellect... my natural sympathetic side used to make me want to drink with them... and often I would... :) thinking about this reminded me of Carolyn Hamlett's testimonies...

now I can see that they are just lost and stubborn spirits, somehow distorted... the fallen angels and those who practice the occult are essentially egoically stuck... they probably think they like their distortion and do not want help, even if was offered to them...

we can pray for people to be protected from demonic influence and hope that while the protection lasts they consider an alternate life style... It seems like we need to be aware of the supernatural component influencing those whose lives are destructive... the most powerful thing we can do for them is pray for them to be protected... then, without the demonic influence, they become more innocent again and more capable of making the right choices...

the more I pray the less I am inclined to do a whole range of things like cursing, drinking, smoking... I even look at girls differently... I still like the basic shapes and form but it is less lustful, more based on beautiful notions...

:)
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Azazel is one of the Watchers.

[link to echoes.devin.com]
 Quoting: Salt


Azazel, Azazyel, Azaziel
"Taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered."

"Taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures."
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In still later times, Azazel is considered a demon, and is occasionally identified as the devil -- or as one of his chieftains.

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