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The Sabbath

while i don't think this is make or break for eternal life, I do try to always honor the Sabbath on the true 7th day: Saturday (or sunset friday to sunset saturday)

there are only 10 commandments and it seems like a simple thing to honor the Sabbath properly...

I have a book about this... God gave us the Sabbath as a gift to humanity... and to honor Him...

it has been corrupted for same reasons most of the institutions have been: to separate us from God...

Sunday worship is where the corruption begins, in most Churches, IMO... but Christ seems pretty clear, too, that rules and laws can separate us from God as much as bring us closer to Him... when we live for rules and forget God, we have defeated the purpose of the rule to begin with and it might be better not to follow the rule or anything that makes us more egoic and less connected to God...

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Reading Luke 18 today the above became clear: the Pharisee is bound up in rules and feeling good about himself for following them...

so much so that he detaches himself from God...

the publican knows he is imperfect and does not always do the right things... and is truly remorseful for his imperfections, striking his breast and saying: "Oh God, be merciful to me, the sinner!"

Anyone honoring the Sabbath and expressing anything outside of humility for being aware of this, might as well honor Sunday...

it makes sense that if others do not honor the Sabbath on Saturday then either you are wrong to do so or those that don't are somehow unfortunate enough not to realize the truth... either way, it is humbling to follow the laws correctly...

and either way, Christ does say: "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."

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I noticed that one of the best links explaining the agenda from the highest levels of govt. to get us all hooked on hallucinogens and COMPUTERS.. hmmm
the hallucinogens, according to Chris Everard, are used to open us up to demonic possession--I have to concur I have seen this. It also servd to destroy the current paradigm so they could get us all hooked up to a technocratic slave system soon to be unfolded. The noose is already on our necks, they just need to tighten it... oops!

youtube: "The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet"
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The video starts out intriguingly but it never delivers.
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I noticed that one of the best links explaining the agenda from the highest levels of govt. to get us all hooked on hallucinogens and COMPUTERS.. hmmm
the hallucinogens, according to Chris Everard, are used to open us up to demonic possession--I have to concur I have seen this. It also servd to destroy the current paradigm so they could get us all hooked up to a technocratic slave system soon to be unfolded. The noose is already on our necks, they just need to tighten it... oops!

youtube: "The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet"
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The video starts out intriguingly but it never delivers.
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Really? I thought the reactions and general demeanor of the people interviewed was quite telling...

it took a while for me to make all the connections, but Heinz von Foerster's explanation of mathematics and science as a poem has really stuck with me and made a lot of sense...

this is how consciousness is controlled, via music, films, maths and sciences... it is all poetry contrived within God-given profundity and infinite potential... our free will molded and bent to serve a purpose clearly not our own, in a secular sense... elegant, beautiful, seductive, treacherous ideas that slowly enslave us more and more towards the end-times scenario predicted by the bible...

I wouldn't have believed with such certainty in God and Jesus Christ without this understanding... it seems hard to believe until you see the cameras on every street corner and the overt contrivance to chip and take literal control over the most minute aspects of our lives...

the supernatural demon spirits have been inexorably leading us down this path for a very long time...

manifest destiny, technological development, evolution, industrialization, modernization, civilization... such poetry... all towards the same prophetic outcome...

not so surprising when you consider the predictability of demon spirits--their modes become very clear--a lack of true love, for one, limiting their every scope--and given God's infinite love it is easy to see how He controls everything... and could easily predict where things were going... especially given how limited in love and compassion humans are...

no wonder Jesus seems often frustrated by the people here...

a wonder that He chose to endure any kind of torture or death for our sakes... the supreme Creator knows His creations, this seems clear...

His poetry is far more profound and awesome than anything humans or demons can ever consider... is it any wonder so many doubt? the wonder is so many believe... yet we all are so self-important... this attribute has always surprised me, especially in myself... each unique perspective looking out and drawing in... forming, self absorbed, longing...

then we wonder how we can be made in God's image... such Divine Alchemy we are a part of... befuddles and engrosses like a cloudless and moonless night sky... twinkling incomprehensible poetry of the infinite.

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I noticed that one of the best links explaining the agenda from the highest levels of govt. to get us all hooked on hallucinogens and COMPUTERS.. hmmm
the hallucinogens, according to Chris Everard, are used to open us up to demonic possession--I have to concur I have seen this. It also servd to destroy the current paradigm so they could get us all hooked up to a technocratic slave system soon to be unfolded. The noose is already on our necks, they just need to tighten it... oops!

youtube: "The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet"
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The video starts out intriguingly but it never delivers.
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Also, you will have to see most of the testimonies on the list I compiled to get the description I posted... grateful dead were originally called
the warlocks" a not so subtle surprise... then Bob Wier justifying his attendance at Bilderberg... is it any wonder herb is still illegal with people like him leading the supposed movement? Or Bob Dylan giving it up to his "chief commander" on 60 minutes... ditto John Lennon... what a disappointment! Almost makes me wish none of it were true...

I was happy in the new age content to develop my own egoic god-self...
but I always make the best of things... I am adaptable but prefer truth above all and the truth is God is real, Jesus Christ is the savior and we need Him because we are and always will be imperfect, in this human form...

it is amazing to me every day that I have come to the above understanding... would not have guessed I was wasting so much of my time for so long and what it took to finally realize this...

good luck!

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Tesla

Not surprisingly, considering he was "channeling" his ideas from the supernatural, aka demon spirits...

not only was he involved w developing very sinister weapons of war, he now has been outed a a eugenicist... more demonic influence...

[link to blogs.smithsonianmag.com]
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Tesla

For a while I thought he was a good guy in the scheme of things... now I think that technological development generally is satanic and leads to separation from God...

imagine a society based on Christ's teachings... there would be little to no technology, yet our compassion and love for each other might develop to a point where we had no need of such...

:)
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Dream

This was very clear and vivid--I was out of my body. I saw a modern building--greenish metal, sloping roof, silvery top... I went to it. There was some kind of chair with antennae sticking up. I stepped up and over this to get on the roof... I was curious about this building, for some reason. I wanted to know about it and what was inside.

Then I heard a plane sound. I looked over and saw a large black triangular-shaped craft with lights... it seemed odd that it was making noise--as if to get my attention or maybe to mask itself as a plane, but the mask was off. It looked just like this:

[link to youtu.be]

I kept my head down and wondered if they had seen me. In a few seconds another 2-3 ft version of the larger craft came over my head within a few feet of me... whizzed by to let me know it knew I was there and then just took off...

I woke up after that.

People who talk about this technology say they use it for "missions" and in the time traveling world, they talk about being able to put you back in place, memory wiped--they can take you for days or hours and then just put you back where you were... somewhere you have a memory but usually you can't access it...

unless they want you to know... then they might leave you with a few snippets... :) I could see doing that 1) as a joke; 2) because they need you to know--free will 3) they want you to know--maybe you asked while up?

Or maybe I was just snooping places I shouldn't and patrol came along to see what I was up to...

if I carry my cell ph I often get buzzed by police... I am pretty sure they have a list and I am on it... it has been like this since some of my street art shenanigans and I take it in stride as part of the game here... they don't bother me or seem mean-spirited... probably just don't want me effecting consciousness in the wrong way...

poem maintenance...

:)
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Hi all,

as someone who has been turning over the different angles of this reality for quite some time, I thought John Lear might be right about basic ETs running things. To my logical mind it made perfect sense.

However, something else, perhaps less mechanistic, caused me to keep pushing and looking under every rock.

A few things I have found in favor of a very GLP take that Jesus Christ did exist:

1) Al Bielek and Preston Nichols both seem to agree that Christ did exist. Nichols actually says that the Montauk Program tried to take samples of Christ's blood by going back in time, but according to them, whoever came into contact with it basically became altruistic, so it didn't work. I thought this was hilarious.

2) Basiago--another supposed time-traveler concurs that Jesus Christ existed.

So time travelers seem to agree: Jesus Christ did come and was sacrificed on the cross and it was a profound experience for humanity.

3) New BBC documentary, among others, now say the supposed Carbon test was faulty and there is evidence that there were shenanigans from the start, in terms of who oversaw the cloth sample taken.

4) Insiders, from former satanists to former illuminati say Jesus Christ existed and that the New Age is basically a Luciferian conspiracy.

see: Roger Morneau 1946; Mark Cleminson, Carolyn Hamlett, John Todd, etc for more on this angle

5) MUFON researchers have been covering up the fact that there are over 400 cases where calling on the name of Christ and becoming a person who follows Jesus Christ (as opposed to many "Christians") can resolve and eliminate the phenomenon.

Here's some basic places to look:


youtube the following:

1) John Todd
2) Lucifer's Children
3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up:

[link to vimeo.com]

some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...

5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically...

6) Roger Morneau--great guy, amazing story!


7) another former illuminati's experience--and another example of what appear to be 'rules':

[link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ


8) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin-=-there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w


9) Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines, spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


10) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related


11) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story..

12) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

13) Randall Baer's experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) lastly, the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

and read: [link to ] be for eitsnews .com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatican-connecti​on-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-2469282.htm​l

That is all I have really found thus far, other than that my own personal experience reading the New Testament and praying has been pretty cool and I recommend it!

Cheers all!

5a
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100% AGREE!! THANKS BE TO GOD!
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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cool, Wolverine in the house!

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From all the accounts concerning greys they're not to be trusted and of course they are deceptive. Sleeper was telling John Lear that Christ didn't exist. Sleeper is a contactee of the greys beginning with abductions I believe at an early age.

I too accept what Bassiago has to share about his witnessing the recorded images of Christ on the cross.

And based on personal experience know Christ does exist. All along I've thought that the whole nonsense about Christ being a mythical figure was part of the great deception. In fact, there are several other reports out that the 2nd coming will be a cloned Christ created from the Shroud of Turin by the greys or illuminati. Of course, it would be a pre-programed clone and not the original. That's pretty far fetched but not unexpected if they could do such a thing and get away with it.
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
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From all the accounts concerning greys they're not to be trusted and of course they are deceptive. Sleeper was telling John Lear that Christ didn't exist. Sleeper is a contactee of the greys beginning with abductions I believe at an early age.

I too accept what Bassiago has to share about his witnessing the recorded images of Christ on the cross.

And based on personal experience know Christ does exist. All along I've thought that the whole nonsense about Christ being a mythical figure was part of the great deception. In fact, there are several other reports out that the 2nd coming will be a cloned Christ created from the Shroud of Turin by the greys or illuminati. Of course, it would be a pre-programed clone and not the original. That's pretty far fetched but not unexpected if they could do such a thing and get away with it.
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Yup. Greys do not seem to generate much trust. I like how Carolyn Hamlett deals with them: think good, positive, beautiful thoughts... it messes with them and their fear projection veneer...

Do you have a good link on Bassiago? I have heard him say it but have not posted the time travel links because I did not keep track of them...

As well, would like to hear your "personal experiences" regarding Christ...

it is unbelievable how dense the deception has gotten and how many "great minds" in our supposed culture are blind to it...

Thanks for sharing!

:)
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This is to reiterate a thread Salt has started, since I was going to post on my own experience, but she is more organized than me:

Thread: Boycotting Christmas consumerism/materialism.

Yesterday I had one of the best Thanksgivings ever and I didn't go home for the holidays, met up with friends or even cook a meal!

My wife and I volunteered at a local community center for a restaurant that was sponsoring a meal for people in need...

the man who ran the event was very professional and everyone took pride in making the event as nice and special as possible for the people who showed up. It was great spending time helping a good cause and brightening up people's day... I especially liked saying "Happy Thanksgiving!" to people I did not even know and smiling warmly at them and taking their coats, showing them where the food was, etc...

I regret that no prayer was said over the food, but otherwise it was very pleasant helping others and I understood what a gift it is to be able to help others...

So to reiterate Salt's thread: you will be so psyched and blessed to volunteer some time and/or resources at a local charity/event, it is almost as if they are giving to you! I thanked every person who thanked me for helping, for having the opportunity to help, and i meant it!

:)
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I had such a good time it made me wonder if a trend in giving isn't actually easier than we think... it is so much fun and so interesting to meet people I would like to make it more of a habit to do...

I think more people will feel the same way if they try it... it really puts meaning into the holidays to do things fro strangers as well as friends and family...

I can imagine that it might even become difficult to volunteer, as more people choose to... imagine a world where everyone wants to give to each other all the time and rather than compete against each other in the false poem of "evolution" we competed to help each other...

reminds me of a tradition in Okinawa: I read that one of the reasons the people there live so long is that each person usually belongs to a small group of 8-15 people who meet once a month to discuss their lives and what they are going through. At the beginning of the meal, they all put a few dollars or whatever they can afford into a hat. By the end of the evening one person is given all the money in the hat, based on that person's circumstances...

Now you might imagine that everyone will want to take the money, but not so! The balance is in fairness and not wanting to be the person who always takes the money home with them.

Imagine how this simple tradition might motivate and change outlooks of those involved! And this kind of social network and caring is considered to contribute greatly to longevity and one of the longest-lived people on the planet...

:)
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The funny thing about everyone's fear of a "Big Brother" police state is that this planet has been a police state for a very long time and the wardens are the supernatural demon spirits who manipulate the ego of humans into butchering and enslaving each other...

Once I realized what was going on, I stopped even thinking I had any privacy--it does not exist. The supernatural is everywhere and knows everything... and manipulates all kinds of events into happening...

Nothing is a coincidence and once you become clear on this basic fact, you are more empowered and centered on how you must act and consider yourself in everything...

It is oddly easier to ignore God, because He is not the direct interface with us in the same way that a negative influence that is self-destructive might be, for example... although I strongly feel that if we complain or show ingratitude we are insulting God and attracting negative things into our lives... call it spiritual laws, energetic laws, or really, God's laws...

we are one of the few creations that actually get to do and think what we want... not even planets or stars or galaxies get this much respect and free will...

but the more we harmonize with God's laws and plan for us: to love Him and help each other--the more at peace and empowered we become...

:)
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it's almost like we have to learn to do something that the cosmos does naturally...

when you think about the vitriol some people have towards God it is interesting to think about the massive celestial bodies all in accord with God, yet some tiny human can have the audacity to deny or even insult Him...

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and all we have to do is glorify Him...

so simple, yet requires free will... and humility...

the elegance of creation astounds...

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and all we have to do is glorify Him...

so simple, yet requires free will... and humility...

the elegance of creation astounds...

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Don't forget 'gullibility'.
Live your life with integrity; and without envy hate or greed. Express your love to your family every day.

Thats all you have to do in this life other than doing things you like to do.
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It takes a lot of gullibility to think there is a man with a white beard up in the sky checking on whose being naughty or nice and then not doing a darn thing about it.

The gullibility is enhanced by little mantras like when things go wrong its, “Well the lord works in strange ways. Well I hope to poop in your mess kit he works in strange ways, just look at 911 followed by the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then if things go right its, “There is a god.”

If you didn’t have to fill up the donation bag every Sunday that would be one thing. But every friggin’ week? To build more churches? Gods been around for what? 4000 years? How many churches does the guy need?

C’monnnnn.

I worship the Great Pumpkin and get about the same results as when I worshipped the man with the beard in the sky. 50/50. George Carlin worshipped the sun and he got about the same results. 50/50. Later Carlin worshipped Joe Pesci and got even the same results.

So there is no overwhelming statistics that the god mentioned in the bible is any more effective than the Great Pumpkin.

And I’ll have you know the great pumpkin doesn’t go around bragging about a terrible swift sword.
He just relaxes in the pumpkin patch, cooling with some smoke and a beer, watching the clouds go by and even a UFO once in a while.
Live your life with integrity; and without envy hate or greed. Express your love to your family every day.

Thats all you have to do in this life other than doing things you like to do.
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It takes a lot of gullibility to think there is a man with a white beard up in the sky checking on whose being naughty or nice and then not doing a darn thing about it.

The gullibility is enhanced by little mantras like when things go wrong its, “Well the lord works in strange ways. Well I hope to poop in your mess kit he works in strange ways, just look at 911 followed by the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then if things go right its, “There is a god.”

If you didn’t have to fill up the donation bag every Sunday that would be one thing. But every friggin’ week? To build more churches? Gods been around for what? 4000 years? How many churches does the guy need?

C’monnnnn.

I worship the Great Pumpkin and get about the same results as when I worshipped the man with the beard in the sky. 50/50. George Carlin worshipped the sun and he got about the same results. 50/50. Later Carlin worshipped Joe Pesci and got even the same results.

So there is no overwhelming statistics that the god mentioned in the bible is any more effective than the Great Pumpkin.

And I’ll have you know the great pumpkin doesn’t go around bragging about a terrible swift sword.
He just relaxes in the pumpkin patch, cooling with some smoke and a beer, watching the clouds go by and even a UFO once in a while.
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John, just saw you payed a visit here...

I wonder if you have really bothered to look into this topic more than your inherent bias allows...?

I used to have the same bias, so I know where you are coming from...

your bias appears to be similar in spirit, IMO, as the "alien" / ufo bias people have...

I put up a list of interesting people who say differently than what our bias implied... I looked into these people not because I wanted to prove a bearded man in the sky exists--this is a silly strawman argument, but for the same reason you and many others risked reputation and ridicule and looked into the ufo "alien" topic: because I want to know the truth about the nature of this reality...

you sound like the same people who cry "swamp gas" and "weather balloon" every time a ufo is seen or someone says they had an "encounter"...

c'monnnn... I know you can do better than that!

look into my list and tell me what you think... you may have over-looked something... it wouldn't be the first time you've changed your mind...

At least watch Roger Morneau, Mark Cleminson and Walter Veith...

IMO they fill in some interesting aspects to the "sleeper" angle and the ufo topic generally... it is a shame that you appear to be too biased to just LOOK... and make your mind up based on a more well-rounded perspective... you might not even change your mind... but these people all have "experiences" with the supernatural that can be seen to be in the same category as the ufo phenomenon...

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and all we have to do is glorify Him...

so simple, yet requires free will... and humility...

the elegance of creation astounds...

:)
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Don't forget 'gullibility'.
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Gullible because there are people who have a different take than yours? I suppose since you have not been abducted you would say anyone who believes in this phenomenon is "gullible."

This is not the stuff that has made you a legend... fearlessly thumbing your nose at convention is what has made you admirable and interesting, not to mention entertaining... :)

And like with the ufo topic, an appreciation for the profounder aspects of this reality and what we are doing here is also required when considering God and the existence of Jesus Christ and His purpose for you and for everyone...

:)
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I suppose since you have not been abducted you would say anyone who believes in this phenomenon is "gullible."
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John has been abducted, just like the rest of us at years 3, 7 and 13. Though keep in mind those abductions come at the behest of our 'keepers', at the same time there are other abductions that take place by the dozens and dozens of different species out there.
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It takes a lot of gullibility to think there is a man with a white beard up in the sky checking on whose being naughty or nice and then not doing a darn thing about it.

The gullibility is enhanced by little mantras like when things go wrong its, “Well the lord works in strange ways. Well I hope to poop in your mess kit he works in strange ways, just look at 911 followed by the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then if things go right its, “There is a god.”

If you didn’t have to fill up the donation bag every Sunday that would be one thing. But every friggin’ week? To build more churches? Gods been around for what? 4000 years? How many churches does the guy need?

C’monnnnn.

I worship the Great Pumpkin and get about the same results as when I worshipped the man with the beard in the sky. 50/50. George Carlin worshipped the sun and he got about the same results. 50/50. Later Carlin worshipped Joe Pesci and got even the same results.

So there is no overwhelming statistics that the god mentioned in the bible is any more effective than the Great Pumpkin.

And I’ll have you know the great pumpkin doesn’t go around bragging about a terrible swift sword.
He just relaxes in the pumpkin patch, cooling with some smoke and a beer, watching the clouds go by and even a UFO once in a while.
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Dude, wake up before it's too late for ur soul
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I suppose since you have not been abducted you would say anyone who believes in this phenomenon is "gullible."
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John has been abducted, just like the rest of us at years 3, 7 and 13. Though keep in mind those abductions come at the behest of our 'keepers', at the same time there are other abductions that take place by the dozens and dozens of different species out there.
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Hi Vril,

John does not remember this occurring, from what I remember... and we supposedly all have been abducted according to sleeper...

this is an aspect of reality I wouldn't deny or confirm... I am not denying that greys or reptilians exist...

you need to check the list I posted at the beginning of this thread and come to your own conclusions... some of the people I post--Carolyn Hamlett--have had extensive dealings with greys...

others, like Joseph Jordan, are familiar with over 400 cases where the abduction phenomenon was stopped by calling on Jesus Christ...

I also cover "evolution" (see walter veith) and other aspects that I find interesting and fill in gaps that might cause you to think the supernatural/other dimensionals are in charge here... they are, to an extent, BUT, there are rules and they have to obey them just like everyone does and it serves us to know what they are...

be well...

:)
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Re: John Lear may be wrong about Christ
It takes a lot of gullibility to think there is a man with a white beard up in the sky checking on whose being naughty or nice and then not doing a darn thing about it.

The gullibility is enhanced by little mantras like when things go wrong its, “Well the lord works in strange ways. Well I hope to poop in your mess kit he works in strange ways, just look at 911 followed by the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then if things go right its, “There is a god.”

If you didn’t have to fill up the donation bag every Sunday that would be one thing. But every friggin’ week? To build more churches? Gods been around for what? 4000 years? How many churches does the guy need?

C’monnnnn.

I worship the Great Pumpkin and get about the same results as when I worshipped the man with the beard in the sky. 50/50. George Carlin worshipped the sun and he got about the same results. 50/50. Later Carlin worshipped Joe Pesci and got even the same results.

So there is no overwhelming statistics that the god mentioned in the bible is any more effective than the Great Pumpkin.

And I’ll have you know the great pumpkin doesn’t go around bragging about a terrible swift sword.
He just relaxes in the pumpkin patch, cooling with some smoke and a beer, watching the clouds go by and even a UFO once in a while.
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I do tend to think John is asleep by his unwillingness to look at all the facts and consider another possibility...

the poetry of this life is always entertaining, as his primary source is knick-named "sleeper."

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Jesus Christ was invented in 325. In several years, there will be historical documentaries that prove it. We will be able to film the past. The device exists now in secret.
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Jesus Christ was invented in 325. In several years, there will be historical documentaries that prove it. We will be able to film the past. The device exists now in secret.
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I think there are already several documentaries that "prove it" but I also think that this is supernatural in nature and more luciferian deception...

Rome co-opted and paganized the best they could, a religion that threatened their control...

they made it illegal to publish the bible in any other language but latin for a reason, and it was not because they invented anything... they wanted to control it... previous to this it was published in over 400 languages according to experts...

(and I do not deny time travel, btw--some of the best witnesses for Christ are time travelers)

:)
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I suppose since you have not been abducted you would say anyone who believes in this phenomenon is "gullible."
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John has been abducted, just like the rest of us at years 3, 7 and 13. Though keep in mind those abductions come at the behest of our 'keepers', at the same time there are other abductions that take place by the dozens and dozens of different species out there.
 Quoting: vril


Hi Vril,

John does not remember this occurring, from what I remember... and we supposedly all have been abducted according to sleeper...

this is an aspect of reality I wouldn't deny or confirm... I am not denying that greys or reptilians exist...

you need to check the list I posted at the beginning of this thread and come to your own conclusions... some of the people I post--Carolyn Hamlett--have had extensive dealings with greys...

others, like Joseph Jordan, are familiar with over 400 cases where the abduction phenomenon was stopped by calling on Jesus Christ...

I also cover "evolution" (see walter veith) and other aspects that I find interesting and fill in gaps that might cause you to think the supernatural/other dimensionals are in charge here... they are, to an extent, BUT, there are rules and they have to obey them just like everyone does and it serves us to know what they are...

be well...

:)
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Yes that is right, John doesn't remember any of them. Most of us do not remember our abductions, some of us are lucky enough to be allowed to on occasion. At the same time though, what we do remember is sometimes an implanted screen memory.
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I suppose since you have not been abducted you would say anyone who believes in this phenomenon is "gullible."
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John has been abducted, just like the rest of us at years 3, 7 and 13. Though keep in mind those abductions come at the behest of our 'keepers', at the same time there are other abductions that take place by the dozens and dozens of different species out there.
 Quoting: vril


Hi Vril,

John does not remember this occurring, from what I remember... and we supposedly all have been abducted according to sleeper...

this is an aspect of reality I wouldn't deny or confirm... I am not denying that greys or reptilians exist...

you need to check the list I posted at the beginning of this thread and come to your own conclusions... some of the people I post--Carolyn Hamlett--have had extensive dealings with greys...

others, like Joseph Jordan, are familiar with over 400 cases where the abduction phenomenon was stopped by calling on Jesus Christ...

I also cover "evolution" (see walter veith) and other aspects that I find interesting and fill in gaps that might cause you to think the supernatural/other dimensionals are in charge here... they are, to an extent, BUT, there are rules and they have to obey them just like everyone does and it serves us to know what they are...

be well...

:)
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Yes that is right, John doesn't remember any of them. Most of us do not remember our abductions, some of us are lucky enough to be allowed to on occasion. At the same time though, what we do remember is sometimes an implanted screen memory.
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Vril--for the record, I am not personally convinced that we are all abducted and have to deal w this phenomenon... though I have my own memories of 'shadow peeps" who did not seem very nice...

i am convinced these "powers and principalities" are here, however...

but again, see Walter Veith's work on evolution... there is NO evolution... so where did supposed et come from?

I say an intelligent design implies an intelligent Designer... you and John say "Poof" or "Bang!" or "shazaambo!" or, dare I say it... "Pumpkin fairies..."

:)
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Re: John Lear may be wrong about Christ
Or as John likes to say:

C’monnnnn.C’monnnnn.C’monnnnn.C’monnnnn.C’monnnnn.C’monnnnn.C​’monnnnn.C’monnnnn.

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