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John Lear may be wrong about Christ

 
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I will paraphrase Heiz again: there is too much information for ANY theory to be correct or valid!

Too much information!

Is this not the best argument for God? and for God's incredible gift of creation that we are all partaking in?

We can write any poem we desire, yet without God we fail to create true meaning and we fail to gain eternal life.

:)
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Youtube: "They Sold their soul for Rock and Roll"

It doesn't even cover everyone, but it is quite telling of what is going on...

music is a means of mind-control...
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Hey John, did you ever see any "handlers" on board your flights with rock stars?

:)
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Ever been handled yourself?

tell the truth!

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Oh, I forgot, according to your own words we have ALL been "handled"...

I agree with that, BTW

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Still, don't you think people should know that their are over 400 cases and counting where people end the abuse of being handled by calling out to Jesus Christ?

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Think of all the people currently being tortured who you are not telling!

No guilt or shame??

Really?
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Thousands and thousands... billions! by your own words!

Even if you think it is an ET paradigm, don't you think people should know?? Them ETs got rules??

Come on now--no envy hate or greed...

what might be stopping you from telling people?

I wonder...

:)
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John, we have all been mind-controlled to one degree or another...

the poets of our paradigm have manipulated it so...

don't you question your current take, just a little?

This question is for all of you who have not considered Jesus Christ outside of a narrow bias...

question the bias! what do you have to lose?

Nothing!
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What does anyone have to gain?

Possibly a lot!

It is a free-will choice... deny God and you are making it.

Why bother denying the obvious profundity of creation and the Divine?

Check my list--it becomes apparent that any person in their right mind should question why they deny God...
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I mean, you cannot deny lucifer, can you?

Just a construct? Maybe not...

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Ever read "Master and Marguerita?"

The devil does not like being denied...

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why should God...?
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We can prove that people are worshipping satan and gaining thereby...

simplest answer the best, wot?

if there is a satan, then there is a God...

ET exhibits a lot of intelligent design, free-willed into absurdity...

:)
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Just a few thoughts.

When 911 hit I was living in NYC and went down to the site, like so many, and eventually got severely ill from the toxicity. At the time I did not even know what toxicity was. I only knew that I was having heart and chest pains, night sweats, trouble breathing and my knees were locking up. I used alternative methods to heal myself because the more I researched what was wrong with me the more I realized the medical establishment could not help me, and worse, might actually kill me! And my dad went to some of the best med schools, so this was not an easy thing to come to terms with. I mean, how could it be that these men train so much and end up breaking the hypocratic oath so blatantly? And why? Well, they get in debt up to their eye-balls, are basically brain-washed and the media supports them 110% with news, films and tv shows like "House", an atheist doctor who supposedly breaks all the rules with arrogant, pill-popping genius, that's how.

Eventually, I found a detox clinic set up for fire and rescue workers, figured out how to properly feed my body the minerals, enzymes, proteins and fats that it needed and ALL my symptoms went away. Simply go to NYDETOX.org and read the testimonials page for more on this angle.

As Jordan Maxwell loves to say, "we been lied to," in every institution. The funny thing is, for some reason I eventually figured out that the lies has a sort of geometry to them and seemed designed to turn us away from spiritually uplifting notions like the altruism and love of Jesus Christ. Just listen to the dominate supposedly "alternative" trend and it is unmistakeable.

The set-up is a corrupted system that feeds everyone into a new age, new world order, one world religion paradigm. Eventually, I discovered that the term UN is an ancient word for "satan" (researcher on Prophesy Club). If you watch the German Documentary on the development of the internet and drug culture, you see that the architects of our paradigm understand full well that there is too much information for any one theory to ever be correct. The powers that be are simply highly intelligent poets and the architecture we live in is a complex and sophisticated poem. Now I understand that the "poets" are actually sorcerers who use occult access to the supernatural luciferian "fallen angels" to write this poem. In fact, Masonry appears to be an organization designed to open its members up to total possession and/or worship of luciferian spirit energy.

Why is this? Well, according to those who were inside and got out, it is because there is a cosmic battle going on. God created lucifer as perfect and he rebelled. So God chose to put lucifer in the spirit realm so that His creations could have a place to have free-will: to learn humility to God and service to others, or to choose service to self and a luciferian choice. Jesus has a parable representing this as the wheat and the weeds: both will be allowed to grow, but as in tending a garden or bees, only one will be kept while the rest destroyed. Sounds harsh, but try tending a garden without killing something. The creative process is inherently destructive, yet beauty is created in the process and the trade-off, from a divine point of view, acceptable.

At least this is my current understanding.

If you listen to the John Todd testimonies, he talks about his sister conjuring ufos at will using occult practices. He also says that the Salem witch trials were actually one group of witches getting rid of other witches and true Christ-centered people. Christ-centered people, according to him and others, obstruct the ability of those in the occult from conjuring spirits/demons and doing their bidding. For more on this, Earthquake Kelly's testimony is quite interesting. As are Roger Morneau's and others. Service to self people, at the highest levels, are using demon/fallen angel knowledge and energy to control and manipulate our reality and gain riches and power there-by. But there appears to be a cost.

I did not understand how fully corrupted things were until I heard Carolyn Hamlett and Roger Morneau's testimonies: even the supposed "ascended masters" of the new age, are serving lucifer. Anyone in a service to self, egoic, path, is serving lucifer, wittingly or not. At the highest levels there is no question about it. Lower levels often think they are serving God, much like doctors think they are serving humanity--though their actions are obviously service to self and they either become naturopathic or they become corrupted on some level they cannot admit. My dad is unfortunately in the latter category, but he is slowly changing and learning. The system itself if designed to control how medicine is practiced, so it is very difficult to do the right thing.

So it appears to me we are nearing an "end game" time where something will have to give. Either humanity will wake up to what is becoming increasingly obvious, or be enslaved by a technocratic system of their own free-will choice.

Sooner or later, truth-seekers and Christ followers will be rounded up and eliminated to complete the hegemony. The signs are clear and the technological means we have created cannot allow anything else. It is a satanic poem. Were it a Christ-centered poem, we would not need technology to the degree we have, we would likely be a loving compassionate agrarian society who communicated with our minds. Some say we live in a matrix and everything is virtual and absurd. I say "matrix" means womb and God has a plan.
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Ha! It just occurred to me why House is popping pills and having insights into genius cures... same reason musicians do drugs--access to the supernatural luciferian knowledge.

Of course, House is an atheist and like many who use substance in the West, don't even imagine that the supernatural exists... the ideas just come to them!

Oh yeah...

:)
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The times we are living in remind me of pre-911...

everything seemed possible and everyone was making lots of dough...

that was a fun time to be alive in NYC... total blast...

then 911 hit and it was like someone turned off the fun...

have a feeling we are in for another hit, now that we are all getting used to the current reality...

it's just too good... being able to say what we want online... or in public...

any German who lived through nazism could see what's coming...

God allows this because we do...

free-willing our way to slavery...

ho-hum

:)
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We had an earthquake last night-I live about 15 miles from the epicenter...

that was profound...

was wondering if it was going to go BIG...

rushed outside just to feel it in the open air and hear it and see it...

so massive and impressive... the rumbling sound... reminded me of the second tower falling...

I know how I will react when tshf...

been there when the towers fell...

saw the panic on people's faces... they seemed so lost...

I wasn't even Christ-centered at the time but I felt cool and curious...

Always liked change, the bigger the better...

it's always a bit surprising when it hits... then accepting it, falling through it... I remember on 911 seeing some giddy faces--strange smiles and sense of loss of control... among the lost and panicked...
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It was just a 4.6

moving to higher ground soon...

:)
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David Flynn

does a nice job of showing the connection between earth matrix and the heavens

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I have a pretty long list of secular, former occult and Christian sources that you need to check out if you want to be thorough...

cuz I've been through most of the new age and other material and still came to the conclusion: Jesus Christ is real and served a very important purpose for humanity...

I find it peculiar that supposed "truth seekers" do not look at ALL sides to this issue... seems like another piece to the puzzle to me: obvious cultural bias... coming from where, I wonder?? Couldn't be the education and media systems, especially the supposed "alternative" ones...

:)

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Hi OP, interesting thread.
Are you implying that the widespread ban on marijuana is actually yet another brilliant plant from TPTB (posessed by demonic entities)and actually lures more people into using(abusing) it?
best regards
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That seems to be the case... and worse, I would say allowing these dudes to control the supply makes for potentially dubious growing practices...

I am an organic gardener/beekeeper cuz of the food supply... and I suspect the same problems w food might be in the herbs...

so I have decided to abstain for this and other reasons I talk about...

maybe a trip to jamaica might change my mind, f I could see the source...

:)

but only moderately and with prayer would I partake now...

:)
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drinks ..C.C
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Of course there is the money and control a ban allows as well--we could eliminate the pharma, oil and big agribusiness issues with legalized hemp... so it looks like a very important cog in the wheel of tptb...

making it illegal allows for more down-side and less upside for humanity, generally...

:)
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drinks ..C.C
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cheers! CC

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and now a word from our sponsors... er, like-minded folk:

"I have spoken personally with scientist Dr. Brian Miller who has studied the shroud of Turin personally and his study led him from being an atheist to following Jesus.

Dr Miller says, "Whats really obvious, if you have a Phd in Physics, is that the image (on the shroud) was produced by whats called a CORONAL DISCHARGE"

..."German scientist Zimmerman tested this theory and came up with a similar image using a coin, and some cloth"..."but the voltage used to create this image was about 100 MILLION VOLTS and this had to be just right, along with the timing of about 1/10 of a second, and these parameters had to be very tightly defined or it didnt work"

(100 million volts is the same as a lightening bolt)

..."The x-ray image on the shroud is of the skeletal image of Christ"....so what would cause this?...the body de-materialized and this would take a small nuclear type explosion to cause this..."

[link to www.msny.org]

Jesus is real, and He is coming back soon :)
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John Lear is a moron. He rants and raves about stuff that he has absolutely zero knowledge of. He only makes stuff up and says it likes it true. And he has tons of other morons who believe him.

How does he know for a fact Jesus never existed? How? Was he alive during that time? No. So there is no way to know for sure.

So screw him and his satanic beliefs.




Hi all,

as someone who has been turning over the different angles of this reality for quite some time, I thought John Lear might be right about basic ETs running things. To my logical mind it made perfect sense.

However, something else, perhaps less mechanistic, caused me to keep pushing and looking under every rock.

A few things I have found in favor of a very GLP take that Jesus Christ did exist:

1) Al Bielek and Preston Nichols both seem to agree that Christ did exist. Nichols actually says that the Montauk Program tried to take samples of Christ's blood by going back in time, but according to them, whoever came into contact with it basically became altruistic, so it didn't work. I thought this was hilarious.

2) Basiago--another supposed time-traveler concurs that Jesus Christ existed.

So time travelers seem to agree: Jesus Christ did come and was sacrificed on the cross and it was a profound experience for humanity.

3) New BBC documentary, among others, now say the supposed Carbon test was faulty and there is evidence that there were shenanigans from the start, in terms of who oversaw the cloth sample taken.

4) Insiders, from former satanists to former illuminati say Jesus Christ existed and that the New Age is basically a Luciferian conspiracy.

see: Roger Morneau 1946; Mark Cleminson, Carolyn Hamlett, John Todd, etc for more on this angle

5) MUFON researchers have been covering up the fact that there are over 400 cases where calling on the name of Christ and becoming a person who follows Jesus Christ (as opposed to many "Christians") can resolve and eliminate the phenomenon.

Here's some basic places to look:


youtube the following:

1) John Todd
2) Lucifer's Children
3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up:

[link to vimeo.com]

some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...

5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically...

6) Roger Morneau--great guy, amazing story!


7) another former illuminati's experience--and another example of what appear to be 'rules':

[link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ


8) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin-=-there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w


9) Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines, spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


10) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related


11) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story..

12) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

13) Randall Baer's experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) lastly, the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

and read: [link to ] be for eitsnews .com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatican-connecti​on-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-2469282.htm​l

That is all I have really found thus far, other than that my own personal experience reading the New Testament and praying has been pretty cool and I recommend it!

Cheers all!

5a
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John Lear is a moron. He rants and raves about stuff that he has absolutely zero knowledge of. He only makes stuff up and says it likes it true. And he has tons of other morons who believe him.

How does he know for a fact Jesus never existed? How? Was he alive during that time? No. So there is no way to know for sure.

So screw him and his satanic beliefs.

Thanks for dropping by...

I find John Lear to be entertaining and good-natured!

But he might be satanic... :) I'm not sure this is a conscious choice-one of my best friends is an atheist-that is how he was raised... if I had your attitude we would not be friends for long... already my bringing up his biases have strained our friendship, but I feel a responsibility to say I what I think... and let God do the rest... :)

I also think John Lear has some interesting info on topics I find fascinating... but I am very broad-minded about the nature of God's creation... and I think the ET issue needs to be addressed from a spiritual perspective...

the moon alone is an interesting topic John Lear has contributed greatly to... but he might be mis-directing us away from some important aspects to the moon... its not like he writes his ideas in stone... he seems pretty open minded, generally... just biased against Jesus Christ for probably silly reasons...

this is just how the game is played... I like to learn about different potentials... and distill the learning to some basic understandings..

all this led me back to a Christ-centered path, so to each his own...

:)

:)
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Hey John, did you ever see any "handlers" on board your flights with rock stars?

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I don't think so. What are handlers?
Live your life with integrity; and without envy hate or greed. Express your love to your family every day.

Thats all you have to do in this life other than doing things you like to do.
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Hey John, did you ever see any "handlers" on board your flights with rock stars?

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I don't think so. What are handlers?
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Hey John...

why do you say "what?"

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