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John Lear may be wrong about Christ

 
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Thanks op for all the good tips. I am already doing many of those things you have suggested. It is refreshing to know you have had the same internal struggle.
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Oh yeah, bro... struggle is the game... for some of us...

It seems like some, very few, have a natural inclination towards the divine and do not have a naturally rebellious streak...

I particularly did not like the idea of being humble before God for some reason... to say nothing of my life experience...

I have been in many near-death situations--drowning in hurricane swell, dangerous urban situations, prolonged health issues, etc, without turning to God...

my life is generally pretty good--beautiful wife of 7 years, lots of fun, gardening, beekeeping, snowboarding, skim boarding... love skimming... :)

my logics, believe it or not, did that for me... I give it over to God...

He appears to indeed, work in mysterious ways...

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Thanks op for all the good tips. I am already doing many of those things you have suggested. It is refreshing to know you have had the same internal struggle.
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feel free to keep me up with your process...

cheers!

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Principalities

Thinking about all the galaxies and all the stars and all the planets...

This seems like the header for Principalities in the Bible...

Why we wrestle against them??

It seems like we do not wrestle with all of them...

Only the ones who do not live with love for the Creator and for their fellow sentient beings...

The ones who live by basic Christ values would not interfere here, out of respect for the divine...

unless their was a legal spiritual reason...

I suspect we do not know all the levels of creation... The Bible is designed to give us a blue-print, but cannot possibly contain all the information of the universe...
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Principalities

The greys seem like some kind of beings who have managed to sneak around the free-will matrix...

Reptilians--somehow the same...

There may be beings who are given Divine legal rights to intervene...

then there seem to be some, like shadow people, reptilians, greys, etc, who have managed to game the system somehow...

when I think about the occult knowledge some are using... the modern tech that probably exists... I am thinking of Phil Schneider's experience getting fried by greys and then healed up... he was obviously worth saving and the tech obviously exists to save anyone... practically....

Even my own experience healing myself using herbs, spirulinas, and the sorcerer L. Ron Hubbard's detox system (NYDETOX.org was funded by Tom Cruise) is an example of gaming the system... I should be dead, but I figured out how to heal myself with alternative means...

the funny thing is the detox center was being criticized in the NYPost and by that time I had already realized that if the Post is criticizing it, it might work!

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Principalities

It seems likely that we live in an electric universe--youtube this.

It also seems likely that Black Holes are a fiction of contemporary science...

Einstein was nothing next to Tesla... which is why we are taught about what a genius Einstein was, but ask any engineer what they know about Tesla... not much...

This is a repeated pattern... in every field...

Quantum Physics requires a vacuum and limitations that do not exist...

They invent particles to explain away the flaws in their theories...

Is this how the "principalities" get around the cosmic laws that we appear to live by? By making them up within their own free-will experience and consciousness?

Perhaps, just as I was able to figure out how to heal myself from apparently irreparable symptoms, the "principalities" have found ways to live for many many years, even indefinitely...

and thereby, certain technological things, as well...
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Thanks!

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God likely uses them just like He uses lucifer...

and the demon spirits and fallen angels...

people think that the system is cruel, and that either there is no God or if there is, He is unjust...

We need to look at ourselves... the new agers have some things right, but seem to distort or ignore the context...

Gnostics think that the divine feminine made a mistake--she looked downward towards lower vibratory realms and was confused...

the Divine mocked her and kept her suppressed...

I do not see the logics in this...

sounds satanic... if I am reading the Pistis Sophia correctly...

Just more distortion...

but it does seem likely that ets are real... principalities are real... that everything is connected and God's design can be manipulated and God allows this within certain bounds...

why else would he have tolerated the pre-flood Nephilim? That age must have been full of interesting beings...

somehow He allowed it to play out and then, when it did not appear like it would yield much of a harvest...

flood.

In this respect we have more going for us currently...

We can take this reality back any time and He is probably waiting for us to do it...

Jesus Christ is the blue-print for this...

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I wrote that song for Dr. Judy Wood

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my God, you are the one to blame. that song is an earworm if I've ever heard one.
~kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight
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I wrote that song for Dr. Judy Wood

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my God, you are the one to blame. that song is an earworm if I've ever heard one.
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Thanks for your thoughts!

:)

that's one I haven't heard in my years in the arts... you must be a real nerd! Welcome!

:)
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Alfred Webre

Exopolitics--Seems like a very sincere guy.

I like a lot of the information he has, though he is very new age. People like him give me a little hope, but they also make me think about what Carolyn Hamlett has said about "ascended masters."

There us a light and a dark side to the luciferian deception. Alfred Webre is on the light side...

:)
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The idea of Exopolitics was initially appealing to me. It did not even seem to conflict with a Christ-centered path, but add to it.

The legal system is based on the first 5 books of the Bible---the Talmud.

Alfred Lambremont Webre is probably similar to Steven Greer and others who think they are working for the light and it makes sense on the face of it.

The govt. is in contact with "principalities" and demons/fallen angels...

And they are getting technologies from them and making deals with them, apparently.

It is interesting how often the necessity for deal-making occurs in the luciferian deception... and generally.

I mean, you might think that beings from other planets with amazing technology would just gift it to us, but no, it comes with a price.

:)
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A very telling example of this seem like when Earthquake Kelly is taken to a realm above the earth and asked to initiate.

There is a need for an exchange.

You get power and wealth and special abilities...at a cost...what cost?

It appears to be your soul, either as energy that perhaps someone can use or as a defeat for God. Another of His creations is cursed into distorted energy God will destroy. For self-oriented beings who no longer have a choice and are living in a cursed state as a part of God's plan, this is probably a victory unto itself.

For lucifer, who according to those on the inside who got out, tells his minions they are going to win over God and be given the earth, it is also a victory.

For a lot of us, this all seems rather petty and maybe even unnecessary. But we can never see the full picture and must simply trust that God knows what He is doing and why.

I do not think we can even really comprehend God, but we are made in his image and the universe as we know it is fractal.

Some use abstract notions like "First Cause" or "First Mystery"

God works fine for me.

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Speaking of being protected, it does seem like there is more to this somehow.

One of my good friends is an atheist and he has a story of almost being run into by a car and feeling something push him out of the way.

Another friend I know was in a terrible motorcycle accident and when he was in the ambulance he felt like he might be dying. Then he heard a voice say: "it is not your time." Imagine, there he was all bashed up and he started laughing out loud and the attendants looked at him like he was crazy.

For this reason, and others, I consider that when Christ says he did not come here for the just, but for those who did not know how to live, I have a feeling that energetically, some will be spared who do not openly convert. Some people may be intrinsically 'good,' or "wheat" as Christ says.

This is also echoed to some degree by Ken Peter's testimony when he speaks of his vision being a global phenomenon.

How can I say that we need Christ at all, then? Because the highest vibratory state appears to be the blue-print he lays out.

The new age misses God in much of their jargon and like any secular lifestyle, the egoic becomes too great a part.

We are all prone to this. Christ does not say we have to be perfect, but he does say we need to try to love God and each other, and ask for forgiveness when fall short.

That' what I like about the Lord's prayer--it i complete.

:)
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Bigfoot-Sasquatch

I have a bigfoot story, speaking of principalities.

I was making an outdoor fireplace with a guy who was kind of a funny dude--good with his hands and crafty generally. He probably drank too much, but never while at work and he was basically a regular kind of guy. Liked to smoke his cigs and have his beer at home, but he was pretty tidy, generally.

I was talking to him about bigfoot one day and at the mention of the word I noticed he sort of froze up.

He turned to me and very seriously, says: I've seen one.

I said, really, where? I was sort of joking, but he definitely wasn't. He told me how everyone in his family knows that when a special on bigfoot is on tv, not to bother him.

He was up with a buddy in northern Maine on some logging roads, dirt-biking with a friend. They was moving right along, he says, and then his buddies bike broke down.

They stopped to fix it.

While they were working on it, trying to get it to start back up, they looked across the field the road they were on was straddling. He said it looked like about 7-10 years growth of a clear-cut. The trees were all about 6 ft tall.

Across the field about 1/4 of a mile, they saw something brown moving about. At first they thought it was a moose, or maybe a bear. probably a moose, he said, since the growth was so tall and Maine has mostly small black bears.

He kept working on the bike and his friend says: "It's coming this way."

He didn't stop what he was doing: "It's just a moose." he says.

After a another minute or two his friend says: "It's coming here and we gotta get out of here!"

He keeps working on the bike and finally his buddy starts running off!

He stops what he was doing and stands up to have a cigarette and see what all the fuss is about. He says he couldn't believe his eyes. He says it was a bigfoot, and by the looks of it, it must have been about 8 ft tall, because it towered about 2 ft above the growth.

He says he was sort of mesmerized or stunned. (This is an interesting thing about this phenomenon) until it finally snapped a small birch tree that was about as thick as his arm, right in half. He says it was flailing about like it was pissed off and wanted him to know it.

As soon as he snapped to, he jumped on his bid, which was still working, and tore out of there, picking up his buddy along the way.

He says the thing turned and chased them along the road, but they gunned it out of there and didn't look back.
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Bigfoot - Sasquatch cont.

They later went back to the place where they left his buddies bike and had the encounter. It was him, his dad and a couple of buddies with some shotguns.

When they got there they couldn't find the bike anywhere.

Oh no, he thought, someone dressed up like bigfoot and stole their bike!

Then one of the guys that was with them shouts out: it's over here!

The bike had been tossed about 30 feet into some shrubs, with no sign of being dragged. Those bikes, he said are really heavy and even two guys could not have just hurled it, because they are pretty unwieldy.

Lesson: don't piss off bigfoot.

:)
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As well, listening to Lou Baldin's story, among others, it is clear that the supernatural/principalities "supalities" :)

are far more powerful than any earth-based weapons system... at least at the higher levels of the "supalities"... :)

Lou says that they are running and manipulating the show. I think they are just supalities and not to be trusted, to boot!

I would guess the supalities have to play by the spiritual rules and laws as God has made them.

They are manipulating behind the scenes because they have to. If they were out front people might turn to their faith in God and defeat them wholesale.

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Supalities

I wonder why Lou thinks the supalities would bother to create a Jesus Christ figure who's primary teaching is to love God and each other?

Does ET love God?

He might say it is an ET experiment. They lost their understanding of God or are wondering themselves if there is one??

Makes some sense, yet they are a bit sloppy for supposed "all-powerful" beings trying to hide behind the scenes.

No, it does not make sense that their minions and others would cower at the name of Jesus Christ and his followers here.

The satanic influence obviously running things is given an upper-hand here. This is in keeping with God's design.

Why would ET choose to put evil forces in power rather than good? History seems to show this is the case.

I used to think that ET might work for God--the plan is incomprehensible and profound...yet we evolve spiritually...

then I realized the absurdity of evolution (prof. Walter Veith) and the power of Jesus Christ... and the obvious BIAS against Jesus Christ permeating ALL aspects of our culture.

Now I do not even think we have more than one life... no reincarnation, no extra chances... the season comes and then it goes... you ripen on the vine or you do not...

:)
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Free-will: the terribly beautiful thing

the juice squeezed from the hand
the reach for sunlight
the unfairness of rocky ground
pray to roll towards the fertile
winds come and all seems possible
decay and the putrid plausible
the vast joy in a seed
crumpled up into the oceans
countlessly mooning and earthing
starshine ebbing and flowing
souls from the Divine
rushing from love to love
in the dance of whirlpools
swirling past infinite bridges
crossing our hopes with our dreams
into the infinite and beyond...
faster faster faster till slowed
and you look into the eyes
of everyone you meet
and know that you love them
and that if you fail
if you turn away
you die.
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Fear of Death?

What if you do not fear death too much?

What if you don't mind the idea that you will be destroyed when you die?

I have thought about this.

The implication appears nihilistic, but if that is your energetic, so be it.

My friend who is an atheist is not generally afraid of much. I have done some crazy stuff with him and we like each other as people and because we are basically both loners... we enjoy each other's company, but we both like to be alone and do our thing... we don't put expectations on each other too much...

he often doesn't answer my emails, but then the other day he came to town and bought me and my wife like $200 in food and drinks...

we both drank a few mojitos at a very pricey place and towards the end of the evening he says to me: how do you know God is not a dog?

He was bating me and I knew it... but I also know he has some serious demons in him--he has nazi ss in his bloodline...

I tore into him: "Your pseudo-rebellious nature won't serve you once this life is over, bro." I said

"Pseudo-rebellious?" he said.

" Yeah, you don't fool me. You don't even bother to look into this stuff and we both know you have a nihilistic streak that is self-destructive and makes you a bit of a fake."

HA! lol

He is tough and was a state champion wrestler... we make music together sometimes... amazing musician... but his girlfriend stood up and screamed: "You can't talk to him like that!"

I said something like: " I love him like a brother, but he is not even looking into the nature of this reality and his energy might not be worth much to God if he allows these demons to manipulate him the way he does... "

She stormed off and I later apologized.

They both gave me a hug at the end because they knew I am jus concerned for him...

I don't know what to say to him. I send him links and other stuff, but the reality is, he makes his money on the "demon tit" as I call it... he works in the music/advertising world and I know it well... he can't afford to know about this stuff or he might have to change and he makes too much money to change...

Jesus Christ is very unpopular generally... this is by design... sort of amazing really, how easily tptb have made people believe Christ's message is problematic while selling satanic crap openly...

but they have had to work hard to do this...

:)
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Wrote this song for him:


hows that demon tit?
can you make use of it
when you die...?

didn't you see the scene
in Kubrick's Shining gleam
when the beautiful chick turns
old and laughs
right in Jack's grossed out face?
what do you think he was trying to say?

demon lips look good
when you don't know
what you're kissing...

Demon tit, let go if it
demon tit, find another
or you might die with it...

demon tit,
demon lips,
demon check,
demon slave...
been thinking we have choice to make

demon tit,
don't let go of it
be afraid, till you die
you might live
an eternal lie
demon tit,
demon tit...
demon tit...
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Fear of Death?

Really, who wants to live in fear?

Fear of God? Seems like more of a respect at the awesomeness of creation. But I imagine as Ken Peters says, there is a terrible fierceness to God... a requirement that we face and over-come fear of death and simultaneously a love and understanding of God and His plan...

In our own little worlds we feel fearless... in the infinite cosmos? Maybe we would be overwhelmed like Edgar Mitchell talks about...

I have learned humility to God through logics... fear has never been very good at turning me to God... making me smarter, yes. Turn to humility towards God? no.

Although, understanding His plan better, I do feel it is smart never to complain and to always try to be grateful...

I don't like it when I am around anyone who complains--it feels like asking for trouble from the divine...

:)
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More thoughts on Shadow People

They are either "supalities"--supernatural/principalities

or they are witches...

it occurred to m the other day that there was a woman who lived a stone's throw from my house when I was being visited by the shadow folk... she was the daughter or grand-daughter of a very famous general...

if she was a witch I would have made a good target living so close...

:)

anyway, witches are victims too, it seems like to me... they don't have much choice how they are raised or what family they are born into...

I don't care either way... just curious, really...
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Shadow People

As Supalities, they seem like bigfoot in terms of how they appear to be able to disappear/re-appear...

I wonder what is up with the hat? I used to see one who was wearing a fedora... maybe they are connected to MIBs?

some think bigfoot is just an ape that has not been discovered yet...

I think they are more like greys... somehow lost in the mix of creation... they likely have their niche and purpose/usefulness for God's design...

like whales supposedly contribute to the vibration of the earth...

funny thing, vibration... read that cats vibrate to stay healthy... what a concept! purr your troubles away...

I resonate with that.

:)
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Bigfoot, Montauk Project and cometary time travel

When they wanted to destroy the project for fear it was too powerful, they brought in a beast that looked a lot like a Sasquatch...

They considered this as coming from Duncan's subconscious...

anything they thought about they could manifest...

according to Preston Nichols, there were reptilians and greys attached to this project...

this tells me that it may have been a project designed to open paths from the demonic/principalities to our density...

there may also have been a lot of deception going on...

there was definitely serious mind-control going on...

yet there does appear to be a larger picture...

Nichols appears to be very important and unique--how else has he gotten away with saying as much as he has?

Maybe tptb don't think anyone will take him seriously...

or maybe, he is important: he claims he helped them time-travel comet hale-bopp away from earth...

he says someone appeared to have been using comet Hale-Bopp to create a catastrophe on earth...

does anyone know if the comet acted strangely? he says they created a time-hole and moved it past the earth...

I remember seeing it... not much else... it sure was close to the earth...

:)
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666

We are made up of carbon...

carbon has 6 electrons, 6 neutrons and 6 protons...

some people think this means we are already in hell...

:)

I think it is interesting how much of the DNA and molecular matter of humans is encoded in the Bible...

people who think the bible is a man-made contrivance need to research this aspect of the Bible...

Uncle Mikey has some good stuff on this topic...

:)
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Abduction Phenomenon - hybrids

Funny how much of the Bible has been coming true... and how major guys in the field (David Michael Jacobs--prof. at Temple Univ>) seem to be despairing about the implications of what is really going on with the abduction phenomenon, especially women impregnated during it and verified by doctors as really being pregnant, then the baby disappears after later abductions...

If you do not have a spiritually smart perspective and you witness this, you think the world is hopelessly about to be taken over by aliens, by covert means...

I have had dreams where I was having sex with strange beings... I even remember ejaculating, but unlike a normal "wet dream" there was no semen...

there are people who have supposedly met their hybrid children...

this could get very complicated, as I am sure that is part of the intent...

who could turn away part of their own? yet it is probably an abomination...

although no more so than the principalities that already exist, I suppose...

I don't know what I would say to a child like this. Probably to pray to God and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

:)
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The Magic of Catastrophe - 911

For many weeks after 911 a strange thing happened and I noticed if you didn't live in NYC it seems like people didn't feel it as strongly, if at all...

You could walk down the street and people who you normally never talked to would open up and poor out their feelings...

You could walk by someone and almost know exactly what they were thinking...

You would often catch someone turning back to look at you or make eye-contact in ways that felt like extra-sensory...

There was a magic to the air and it was exciting and alive in a way that we normally don't feel...

maybe it was because the event broke through the mind-control of the culture and made everyone more real...

Everything seemed like art to me... Life seemed miraculous and you could feel it in people...

some even talked about it...

I noticed friends from Boston had no idea what I was talking about and had not felt the profundity of the event the way people in NYC had...

It was like being at the epi-center of something inexplicable, both awesome and horrible... and it impacted and engulfed people in raw sincerity...

It was a great example of what might be possible if everyone was living by Christ's teachings and really feeling the importance of this... never judging, but loving and accepting... if someone is acting demonic, for example, rather than blame them, pray for them, in Jesus' name, as he exhorts us to do repeatedly... the fundamental corruption in the Christian faith maybe summed up as being quick to judge but slow to pray... one is egoic, the other compassionate...

Earlier I wrote about breaking through a wall and having boundless energy... I think 911 broke through some kind of wall for people who experienced it first-hand... at least for a while...

with enough drive humanity could achieve incredible states of being, without drugs or material things... we could all achieve the most exhilarating profundity every moment with boundless abundance of energy and well-being...

meditation to empty the mind has nothing on our true potential...

:)
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On the topic of sex:

the elite know that the most powerful unit within society is the bond between a man and a woman...

it represents the opposites joining together...

during the sex act you can literally program your reality, if you know what you are doing... you are accessing other dimensions when you make love...

Wilhelm Reich's work with the orgasm showed that if you put someone in a prolonged ecstatic state you can program their minds...

he also showed that the union of man and woman in orgasmic states created profound energy he called "orgone."

Developing a spiritual relationship with one woman is the most powerful thing you can ever do as a man... and the same is true for a woman...

that's why women are still degraded, even by supposed feminists... and the men and women are basically trained to be sluts...

the Bible is trying to give us a general outline for how to live a beautiful Godly life that is profound and meaningful...

but you should not leave out the supernatural component that the earth is run by luciferian cults and lucifer himself...

this is undoubtedly reflected in our culture... this is not a fairy tale... it is real as the nose on your face and is the primary thing enslaving you to meaningless sexual expressions that do not ultimately empower you...

the elite families are large and obviously they understand some of these principles, even if their "god" is not the God of the bible...

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Re: John Lear may be wrong about Christ
Sex redux

I should have said developing a loving spiritual relationship is the most empowering thing for both men and women...

Developing ourselves as Christ-centered human beings also seems like the most powerful thing any person can do, from a spiritual laws perspective...

Living with Integrity and without envy hate or greed, aside from only covering just some of the demons that can afflict us... disease, malaise, misogyny, misanthropist, etc... all might be simply demonic energies we have somehow opened ourselves up to by not doing a simple thing like worshipping God, following the example of Jesus Christ and asking for forgiveness of our basic failings...

:)





GLP