John Lear may be wrong about Christ

Beekeeping

God's design seems to allow for many to flourish, but not all to be saved... He gives us free will and the intellect to percieve His presence, but the rest He usually leaves up to us...

Some do seem to recieve a little help... an intervention. There are many examples of this in the NDE experiencers... some of them were not particularly believers and some were actually atheists... it does not seem fair that they should get special attention from the Divine...

In talking to my friend who is an atheist, he seems to want to have his own supernatural experience before he will consider believing in a God. He is a gifted artist and has a love for life: cooking, partying, hiking, diving... and has no trouble appreciating beauty... and the beauty of God's design is all around him... in fact, he revels in it and relishes the beauty around him... yet, much as he sees an intelligence to the design of this life, he remains an atheist...

I think part of this is how he was raised and that he has demonic attachments that make him quite cynical when it comes to the topic of God... too much unfairness, he might argue... his demon has swayed him with the ugliness present in life... which we humans have created with out free will, albeit influenced by the supernatural... Hannibal was guided by an "angel" and visions of a snake leading him on... an example typifying this, to me...

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Beekeeping

I can see that to raise the healthiest bees and the best honey, I can only harvest a small percentage of the honey my bees produce... bees come and go, working themselves to death, and yet we eat honey as if it is just another sweetener... every spoonful of honey represents the effort and lives of bees... yet we toss it on our cereal or in tea and never think of the lives lost creating this substance...

and yet we expect God, the supreme Creator, to value each of our lives... because we have a consciousness, we place value on ourselves... because we self-reflect, rather than mindlessly making honey, we feel we should be valued.... and how dare there be a God who might not...

Interesting that the distinction is the consciousness... the ability to reflect... how many humans are living unexamined lives? How many live as if the only importance is the herd mentality of the most recent tv shows, the moments of self-gratification drinking booze or smoking herb, womanizing, dating, shopping or eating our favorite foods? Never caring nor considering that this mindless activity might have no value to the Divine?

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Beekeeping

I said "with out" back a bit when I obviously meant "with our" free will...

One time one of my hives began a raid on another hive... the hive being raided was a bit difficult... well, actually, they tried to kill me! yup, the whole hive would have stung me to death if they could have...

so when I saw them getting raided I decided to see what would happen... I could have stepped in, closed down both hives, smoked them, covered the hive under attack, etc...

But, I didn't. :) I let things take their course and lost that hive... I payed $100 for them... but I was not really interested in perpetuating that hive. better to have gentle bees... ironically, the hive attacking them were general very productive and gentle... and because they flourished collectively, they were able to take over the other hive...

In some ways I might have represented the supernatural in this situation... I had placed the hive that was attacked near the flight path of the hive attacking... and I could have intervened and spared thousands of bees... I did love those bees and valued them, but I also knew that they might not be the best hive to split from... and, I was curious to see what would happen...

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Beekeeping

My atheist friend wants his own supernatural experience serendipitously... he won't even bother to exercise his free will and ask God for understanding or even a sign... It might be too painful if God does not oblige...

there must be some aspect of faith that is energetically desriable to God...

yet some he has historically intervened with... he even uses the negative and light aspects in the luciferian deception to do this, IMO, through ET abductions and historic interventions...

or he sends his angels to intervene...

this would be like me tending my bee hive... God has blessed us all with awareness and sensitivity enough to realize His presence... the rest is usually up to us...

For myself, I was raised with a Christian background, but could have easily fallen away... but I prayed for understanding once I logically concluded that there might be a God and the answers just kept rolling in...

imagine a hive that is a good producer, makes a good effort... the beekeeper might make an extra effort for that hive... unless part of his plan does not call for it...

At the end of the day, we have to accept God's will above our own desires...

An interesting exception to this is Jesus Christ, who repeatedly exhorts his disciples to ask for anything in his name and we will recieve it...

Is this why there is such a strong attept to discredit Jesus Christ in the new age culture? Our own doubts undermine us and disempower us from our true purpose...

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It is interesting that we can witness such ferocity in nature as a shark attack or a lion taking prey and yet question how there can be a God who allows cruelty in the world... there seems to be a ferocious aspect to the Divine that is probably connected to the awe and amazement of the profundity of creation... yet we expect God to be less dynamic than His creation...

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Lear is U.S. Military-issue booga booga. F that nazi turd

roflmao,the bible is metaphors,the characters didn't exist in the flesh...no human remains have ever been found of the kings,queens,prophets,priests,etc or even the roman Caesars...the lies are bigger than ya think..

Like I have already said: I find John Lear entertaining and good-natured... and I find his take on things to be thought-provoking and useful... it has helped me in my quest for knowledge, along with many of the other "booga boogas"...

he appears to me to be more kind-hearted, flexible and open-minded than many of his critics... what does that say?

It is my essential critique of the booga boogas that has logically brought me back to a Christ-centered understanding...

thanks John, et al!

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Well, you need to read my thread to see how I have arrived at this position.

For one, I tend to distrust "history"... it is, after all, written by the "winners"...

no less than Napoleon admitted this and implied that history was fiction...

I go with "boots on the ground" contemporary testimonies from many of the people on my list... they seem more credible and sincere than the people selling the new age, pseudo-historical and pseudo-scientific understanding... I have looked through a lot of this material and usually there is a major problem, such as rothschild funding, secret society connection or obvious lies once you scratch the surface...

yet, most supposed truth seekers fail to look at the evidence in support of Christ... and appear to have a bias they cannot admit to... this looks to me suspiciously like a form of mind-control... it runs deep, IMO, so much so people are blind to their own biases...

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I am not saying that there is not any truth to the occult and esoteric knowledge in the new age and/or pagan traditions... for that matter, I find a lot of beauty in those traditions...

but if you read my thread you see that I consider it to be no different than cutting an apple in half and realizing the importance of a five-pointed star... it seem more likely that it is God's design, not the magicians,' to use the language of numerology, geometry and astronomy for creation... and the occult are often manipulating this for self-gain at their peril, IMO... I do not judge them or say they shouldn't be allowed to do it... why should anyone? but, I suspect God will...

We all are given free will and intelligence to see the profundity and intelligence of the creation we are in... It seems likely that God manages this for the best possible harvest... and self-interested people will be last...

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Discovering I am Jewish

Last year my sister told me our mother is actually a German Jew. At first I thought she was nuts, since my family did not leave nazi Germany... how could they have stayed...

but then she told me the names of our immediate ancestors and they were obviously Jewish...

It is also not surprising when I think of my mother--she has the look of a jew and acts classically jewish in many ways, though I am not sure about these types of stereo-types and I don't even mean it in a pejorative way... she is more of a 60s hippy hipster nerd who worked for some of the largest corporations as a systems analyst, making those main frames work on time, than typically anything... but isn't that also typically jewish, in some ways? :)

and of course she didn't tell us growing up... she is a funny bird, my mother... shadow people, Jewish parents... I wonder what else she hasn't told us? We'll never know! :)

The really cool thing is God invites people to search for Him ("You will find Me when you search for Me with all your heart..."), and He is not intimidated by such. ANyone who claims to be a christian but is insulted by anyone questioning their faith, and not believing until they have done their own research really doens't understand that it doesn't insult GOD!

German Jew

Often I would be walking in NYC or on a subway and a rabbi would come up to me and talk to me as if I was Jewish... I always looked at them like they were crazy... being German and knowing my grandfather fought on the Russian front for the nazis, I always thought it couldn't be further from the truth!

Those rabbis knew something I didn't... and stereo-types might just have a vibrational component they were picking up on... I do like Jewish people--their sense of family, humor and intellect... but then I like most people...

I even like people who don't like me--I always see something good in people... especially if they don't like me... often I feel guilty when someone doesn't like me... like there is always something I could have done better or there is something about the person that they cannot help but dislike someone like me... an insecurity, maybe because I am tall or good-looking or male... I never take it personally if someone doesn't like me, but I do consider it might have something to do with the system created by getting to know the person... it seems to me a lot of the time some people just don't go well together, but that is no reason for me to dislike them...

now i often think that supernatural influences are impacting people... demonic spirits are everywhere and feeding on our insecurities and imperfections... we are in a constant battle to maintain love and compassion with our free will against these forces... this is God's design... and we must prove ourselves...

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German Jew

When it finally sunk in that I was jewish, something else occurred to me...

I have read that the nazis were funded by jewish bankers who funded both sides of ww2... and I have also read red cross reports that the germans did not really kill 6 million jews... and most of the jews who were killed were probably killed because the German infrastructure had collapsed and they could hardly feed themselves, let alone the people in concentration camps...

there were more non-jews in the camps than jews... and the 6 million figure probably had more to do with Biblical prophesy than reality... just as the formation of Israel seems to... Jesus is supposed to bring God's Kingdom to Mt. Zion... satan appears to want to get there first, yet it seems like he is being used by God towards Biblical prophesy...

another thing that occurred to me is that I have read that some of the most radical ss were jewish... and perhaps my ancestry was somehow connected to the ss and the occult within Germany... hence, the door for shadow people had been opened...

lots of fun thoughts...

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I like your discussion thread. I confess I have not read all the pages (!), but comment when it seems to strike a chord with me.

One point to make about creation/universe and the Bible. I believe there is MUCH more we do not know....don't need to know - at least not now. I believe our Bible is simply a blue-print FOR US, for human beings on planet earth. It is all we need to get us through this life....we didn't need to know about other star systems/universes, other beings.

In time, when we re-unite with Christ in the heavenlies, ALL will be revealed to us.

I'm looking forward to it.

The original quote is, "We wrestle not against flesh, but against principalities and powers in high places...."

To me, meaning our struggles aren't against human beings, but those "principalities" or spiritual beings doing satan's bidding against GOd's perfect design. Principalities - being spiritual ideas which run counter to God's principalities.

Satan does not "get around" cosmic laws, he LIES TO US about what they are, and how it harms us to try to circumvent them!

The New England Prep

It could be because I have been completely brain-washed by my upbringing in New England, but of all the types of people I have met in the world, one of my favorite types is the New England Prep... I say this as someone basically on the bohemian-eccentric end of the spectrum... I would like to be more refined and prep than I am, but I do not naturally fit into any caste very easily...

but I like how the people with money do not always look like they have money--they often drive American cars or old Subarus... they dress simply but conservatively--khakis and button-down oxford, plain-colored shirts--and often have a flair for the eccentric, such as a belt with whales on it or brightly colored socks...

there is a gentility in their manners and an appreciation for refinement, yet they are more laid-back than someone from the same caste in Europe... but not so relaxed they appear flimsy and unreliable, like people in California... I like Cali folk, but never felt comfortable there with their pseudo-liberalism and their wobbly new age back-bones... New England seems to have the right balance of pragmatism, conservatism and it used to seem like it had a lot more common sense...

the times we are in seem to be straining everyone... so if I did a quick survey of the land, I would probably still choose New England over anywhere else... I think having four distinct seasons also affects the mentality of people for the better... and cold weather probably keeps people a bit more honest and hard-working...

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Thank you for dropping by... I concur with your sentiments entirely...

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Thank you for the quote update--I have been meaning to look it up--what version of the Bible is that from? "Powers" is a nice add-on to what is going on... :)

speaking of which, I agree with you regarding satan and deception--much of my thread is addressing this, but I think the "principalities and powers" part is where some are getting hung up... actually, I know it is...

according to testimonies of people who deal with these phenomena, there appear to be physical ufo craft, in addition to just energy ships, and beings with reptilian and "alien" grey appearance who are reportedly working with aspects of our military... It is these beings I refer to as possibly "getting around" the spiritual laws, to some extent... though I think they are allowed by God to do this for his purpose of a greater harvest... and free will expression...

If you read my thread, you see that I am a survivor of 911 toxicity... I never thought to turn to God during this time... I simply figured out how to heal myself using everything from Tesla-coiled orgone generators to L. Ron Hubbard designed detoxing (NYDETOX.ORG) to a wide-assortment of super-foods ...

I liken my healing process to the occult use of God's plan to manipulate the supernatural for self-gain... yes, we can do it, but it is a path that is not intended by God as an end in itself... and should ideally not be used at all... a slippery slope...

it is a tricky balance, since the body is a temple and I simply used this technology for an over-haul... but it could easily have become an end in itself if I had not sought deeper understanding and been able to see through the programming of the new age, nwo, self-oriented culture... which is luciferian...

so in questioning why the principalities and powers exist, I suspect they are not necessarily all luciferian... at least in nature... perhaps they are under satan's domain, but there appear to be exceptions to this...

I could see that perhaps there are beings who have managed to live for a very long time under a different paradigm than our own... and free willed themselves into perpetual 3D, self-oriented existence that God allows... these beings exist and we as humans appear to have to deal with them as well...

The Bible is sufficient, but it does appear that a lot is left out when it talks of Nephilim and then moves along without more... I suspect this is so we don't get hung up on things most of us don't need to think about... that's why it seems like the New Testament is the best place to be on a daily basis...

Interesting that as Christ-centered people we are afforded some protection from the supernatural, according to the Bible and many of the testimonies on the list at the beginning of this thread... yet we do not typically see the protection physically... the game is a spiritual one... and the main thrust of my thread is the need to be aware of this and why...

Thread should be called: "John Lear is wrong about Christ" but I think God may be using me to reach people like me who have had seriously doubts and continue to do so... I want to reach real truth seekers... as that is how I view myself... I think the argument for Christ is compelling based just on the facts, arguments and testimonies presented on this thread...

It is a deep understanding and I suspect that is why there is so much silence... yet the tree still falls...

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Yes! and Amen, amen!

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cool thread OP. added to my favorites.

Hi Salt!

Welcome... and thanks~!

I am having fun with it too...

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Time Travel

It is funny to me to think about how "woo woo" most people look when you mention the subject of time travel. It is probably one of those "hide in plain sight" deals...

This reality, upon thorough reflection, seems very flimsy. I don't mean this pejoratively. I mean, the God-given free will we have implies a lot more than just our five senses and the current paradigms. Just looking at the global pyramid system on the planet, from China to Bosnia to the Americas (even underground ones supposedly in Alaska)... you get a pretty good sense that things can take many different forms within the fractal sacred geometric design.

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Time Travel

It seems likely that anything you can imagine is possible and may be real. Why is it that all the time travel people and spiritual people say that time does not really exist? It is probably a construct of the mind/soul interface and subject to radical change.

This is probably why black friends I have had despise the system and often call it "soul-less." It does not reflect their ideas of culture, beauty and the Divine. Someone like me, on the other-hand, who was raised in Eastern Establishment schools and have grown to like the charms of same, even while seeing the gross imperfections... tended to like the system for what it is. Humans are flexible and can learn to like almost anything, especially if they are raised from a young age within it.

People not from this background will likely think of some aspects of this culture that are marketed to them--I am thinking of Ralph Lauren--as being better than they actually are. The truth is, loving time spent with family and friends is the best this reality has to offer, no matter what culture you are from or how you dress or live. Adding a Christ-centered walk to this is the highest form of existence we can have.

So long as lucifer and demon spirits are in charge of challenging us in this reality, we will likely have a pyramidal-shaped, grossly unfair system, globally. It won't matter who is in charge, it will always look essentially the same. Another reason why time travel is essentially meaningless and should not be considered impossible. It is no more magical than money or tv.

God probably blessed America because it was the first place Jesus' teachings were able to be expressed to its fullest extent among the broadest reach of the creations He made in His image.

I have read that when we seek perversions or give in to negative emotions, it has a stench in the heavens that is very unpleasant. I suppose the opposite is true, if this is.

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Time Travel may be the real technology being used to manufacture the current poem of the matrix. All other technologies would probably be secondary.

you don't know what you are talking about.
pure ignorance being touted here folks. What a tard.

Time Travel

The problem with time travel: seems likely to be demonic. If demon spirits can impersonate any historical figure then they perhaps have ways of creating alternate realms that simulate this reality... especially since it seems likely anyone having access to such technology would probably be involved, wittingly or unwittingly, with the "luciferian deception".

Then you also have the question of how can God's ultimate will unfold if someone had such a seemingly omnipotent power. The answer to this is likely that the rules that apply to the supernatural/spiritual will also apply to this type of technology. Nothing is allowed but by God's will.

Maybe this is why time travel ideas are so prevalent and hidden in plain site: truth must out and we must give free will consent for tptb to get things done. This might also explain why generally there is a multi-cultural hype: anything that can break down society allows it's free will to be more easily accessed and manipulated. All of the cultural trends contribute to this.

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Music Time...

This is some of my personal footage from the 911 event and a song I wrote around that time...

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Lately, I find that when I pray it is sometimes easier if I sing. Everything flows better. Just a thought for those who pray... pray about small things as well as big things... and just sing...

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Thanks Kirk,

Yes, there is a lot of deception and they make some for all kinds of people... Radnarg likely has good intentions... and it is easy to get into his line of thinking unless you continue to look at everything... many get stuck at the idea the Christ did not exist... It is difficult ground to cross...

btw--your name is old Scottish, I believe, for "Church"... interesting that they chose this name for the leader of the original Star Trek. An entertaining distraction, at least...

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I mentioned: "especially since it seems likely anyone having access to such technology would probably be involved, wittingly or unwittingly, with the "luciferian deception".

When people free will themselves into this kind of arrangement, the level of deception appears to increase... until they turn to God and Christ.

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