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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24490645 Australia 09/26/2012 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As I said before Japan will not back down , island was given to Japan by USA after WWII Quoting: What if ? If China has a beef go to the U.S why are they complaining now after 60 years Good brief analysis (and question at the end). Do you think Japan might win out in this dispute? With all the trade and investment China is looking to acquire around the world, they might have the most to lose from this spat. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24478822 United Kingdom 09/26/2012 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if the U.S-Japan security agreement compels the U.S to enter the conflict if it comes to physical war? Quoting: The Tauremini It'd be interesting to know. So far, the U.S has been keeping right out of this one. It's a fine balance the US has to trend, stay out of it entirely and China might be more inclined to gamble, interfere too much and if China gambles they'll be on the front line. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24478822 United Kingdom 09/26/2012 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if the U.S-Japan security agreement compels the U.S to enter the conflict if it comes to physical war? Quoting: The Tauremini It'd be interesting to know. So far, the U.S has been keeping right out of this one. It's a fine balance the US has to tread, stay out of it entirely and China might be more inclined to gamble, interfere too much and if China gambles they'll be on the front line. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24490645 Australia 09/26/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if the U.S-Japan security agreement compels the U.S to enter the conflict if it comes to physical war? Quoting: The Tauremini It'd be interesting to know. So far, the U.S has been keeping right out of this one. It's a fine balance the US has to trend, stay out of it entirely and China might be more inclined to gamble, interfere too much and if China gambles they'll be on the front line. Good point. It's definitely a fine balancing act. What interested me was how Taiwan suddenly entered the dispute the other day and fired water cannons that Japanese ship. I bet North Korea is watching this one unfold with glee :-/ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24478822 United Kingdom 09/26/2012 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if the U.S-Japan security agreement compels the U.S to enter the conflict if it comes to physical war? Quoting: The Tauremini It'd be interesting to know. So far, the U.S has been keeping right out of this one. It's a fine balance the US has to trend, stay out of it entirely and China might be more inclined to gamble, interfere too much and if China gambles they'll be on the front line. Good point. It's definitely a fine balancing act. What interested me was how Taiwan suddenly entered the dispute the other day and fired water cannons that Japanese ship. I bet North Korea is watching this one unfold with glee :-/ Doesn't Taiwan claim to be the legitimate Chinese government and has laid claim to all of China? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24490645 Australia 09/26/2012 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. You don't understand. U.S. soldiers are still all over Japan, not just in Okinawa. Attacking Japan is attacking the U.S. I don't see why Japan and Noda won't share the fishing waters. Oil is irrelevant. Nobody will be drilling for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24493614 Thank you for contributing to this. I'm keen to get the perspective of people in Japan and China on this dispute. Do you think most Japanese think the Noda government is overreacting? It seems to be a very political dispute.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20506613 Japan 09/26/2012 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do it, go to war and attack those islands, it will be interesting to see who wins in the end....China without doubt wil be the winner and the Japanese have no rightful claim whatsoever, handed over so America could establish a military base here, and rememeber those island were fucking andmin of of america to start with. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24490645 Australia 09/26/2012 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Update: China vows 'measures' over island dispute [link to usa.chinadaily.com.cn] It's getting interesting. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2274131 United States 09/27/2012 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Israel nukes Iran, China will take Taiwan, and then possibly invade Japan. While North Korea will nuke South Korea. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2274131 I doubt NKorea wants to nuke the South when unification is a long term goal of theirs. North Korea will unify the South after the nukes destroys Seoul. All of this is predicating on the Israel attack. If they don't attack, then none of this will come to pass. Although we might then get a huge false flag instead... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5913880 United States 09/27/2012 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All this nonsense over some giant rock sticking out of the ocean... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18851138 sheez...you and the "chasing a ball" crowd, you know, those asswipes who dont like spectator sports because theyre unccordinated goobs for the most part....how clueless can you be...Do you not know that ownership of the rock means ownership of the resources and sea around it? trillions of dollars...oil, mineral, seafood,...trillions....you know what I trillion is? if you spent one dollar every second it would be 32000 yrs of seconds...oh never mind.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4443279 Finland 09/27/2012 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Israel nukes Iran, China will take Taiwan, and then possibly invade Japan. While North Korea will nuke South Korea. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2274131 I doubt NKorea wants to nuke the South when unification is a long term goal of theirs. North Korea will unify the South after the nukes destroys Seoul. All of this is predicating on the Israel attack. If they don't attack, then none of this will come to pass. Although we might then get a huge false flag instead... That's insane. There's no point in using nukes to make it a wasteland. Conventional warfare is more than enough to determine the future of the Korean peninsula, if the North starts losing maybe then they'll threaten to nuke and the current status quo returns. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2274131 United States 09/27/2012 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Israel nukes Iran, China will take Taiwan, and then possibly invade Japan. While North Korea will nuke South Korea. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2274131 I doubt NKorea wants to nuke the South when unification is a long term goal of theirs. North Korea will unify the South after the nukes destroys Seoul. All of this is predicating on the Israel attack. If they don't attack, then none of this will come to pass. Although we might then get a huge false flag instead... That's insane. There's no point in using nukes to make it a wasteland. Conventional warfare is more than enough to determine the future of the Korean peninsula, if the North starts losing maybe then they'll threaten to nuke and the current status quo returns. Haven't you noticed, the ruling classes of this world has gone insane. From the west, to the east, from the north, to the south. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24490645 Australia 09/27/2012 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whoa, haha that's one hell of a scenario there! Briefly back to the topic, if Noda is intent on not backing down perhaps that's because he knows he won't be in power for much longer. Japanese PM's have a political lifespan of about 7-9 months generally.. The question is, will the next PM be more hawkish or dovish towards China? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24495794 Japan 09/27/2012 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I'm an American in Japan. I'm also a guy claiming to be a John Titor from the future. South Korea unifies with North Korea. China discovers a wealth of resources in Western China. Korea and Japan peacefully join a federation with a Chinese city as its capital. This is what happens in my future. But there are so many strange things happening with China right now that never happened in my world. Who knows what will happen now. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24490645 Australia 09/27/2012 12:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I'm an American in Japan. I'm also a guy claiming to be a John Titor from the future. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24495794 South Korea unifies with North Korea. China discovers a wealth of resources in Western China. Korea and Japan peacefully join a federation with a Chinese city as its capital. This is what happens in my future. But there are so many strange things happening with China right now that never happened in my world. Who knows what will happen now. Interesting thoughts. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. There have been examples in the past where two mortal enemies have come together for a greater good (look at Britain and the United States for instance). I hope that China and Japan can put this dispute behind them. That's the hope anyway. Do you think Noda has much time left in office? |
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Lorence User ID: 1659270 Hong Kong 09/27/2012 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wonder who is behind all these disputes? who benefits? China? Japan? or the US? [link to news.xinhuanet.com] |
Marxist User ID: 18082384 New Zealand 09/27/2012 12:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I'm an American in Japan. I'm also a guy claiming to be a John Titor from the future. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24495794 South Korea unifies with North Korea. China discovers a wealth of resources in Western China. Korea and Japan peacefully join a federation with a Chinese city as its capital. This is what happens in my future. But there are so many strange things happening with China right now that never happened in my world. Who knows what will happen now. Regional federations are on the cards in the march to the full globalisation of capitalism so I suspect that this dispute is the precursor to regionalism of a sort (as is the EU crisis.) Capitalism cannot go back to the statist model so I don't see this dispute going anywhere other then to more regionalism (and then globalism.) Capitalists need markets and Japan and China are the mercantilist engines of global capitalism. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 700055 Japan 09/27/2012 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a lot of incidents like this. It is not the first time. When Prime Minister KOIZUMI used to go to YASUKUNI shrine (a place of right-wing associations) there would be protests from Korea and China. When somebody would sail a boat to these islands, same thing. Or the other side would sail a boat there, Japan would get angry, same thing. It is not new. It has been happening for years. I poke a stick to you, you poke it to me, I say this, you say that, and so on. Its ongoing, I guess it could be said it has the potential for war but I don't think so in the near-term future, |
Marxist User ID: 18082384 New Zealand 09/27/2012 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a lot of incidents like this. It is not the first time. When Prime Minister KOIZUMI used to go to YASUKUNI shrine (a place of right-wing associations) there would be protests from Korea and China. When somebody would sail a boat to these islands, same thing. Or the other side would sail a boat there, Japan would get angry, same thing. It is not new. It has been happening for years. I poke a stick to you, you poke it to me, I say this, you say that, and so on. Its ongoing, I guess it could be said it has the potential for war but I don't think so in the near-term future, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 700055 I agree. In any event, the old statist wars and statism in general will be overwhelmed by globalism so no matter what these nations may think, they know which side their breads buttered on. Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains! |