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Former astronaut Ockels about Aliens and the illusion of time.

 
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A lot of what he's saying in regards to gravity and time go along with what this man has to say.

'Dr. Fran De Aquino.' - Brazilian physicist claims HAARP network is almost complete. That the end game isn't weather control only but manipulation of gravity and even time.

[link to beforeitsnews.com]

And then Daniel 7:25 speaking on the Antichrist of end days.

25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. And they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

It could easily read this way,

25 'and he shall.. have a hopeful expectation to alter fixed appointed times and natural laws: and it shall be given into his ability for 3 1/2 years.'


Oh yea. Dayz gonna be messsn wit im.
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Prof. dr. Wubbo J. Ockels is a Dutch physicist, and also the Netherlands' original astronaut. He is a Professor of Aerospace Sustainable Engineering and Technology at the University of Delft, and tries to stimulate a mentality change among Dutch citizens.

In his mind-bending TEDxAmsterdam talk, Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings, as a way our brains can make sense of gravity. The speed of light is constant, because it is made by us: it’s the clock by which we have calibrated our existence. Based on this premise, Ockels proposes a new way to explore life in our galaxy.
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So a foot is not a foot because it was only thought of on this planet... an inch, not an inch... ounce, not an ounce?

I am having a hard time wanting to waste my mental energy on the subject... we have to have some way to measure differences... in time, distance, volume...
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Brilliant man he is!

Inspired me to think more, I recommend this video.
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is he a mason or a Mormon?.. even though they are the same shit.
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You are an idiot.
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What about dolphins? Birds? Do they create time, or do they exist outside of time? LOL
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They are earthly creatures just like humans. Does that answer your question?
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"let no man deceive you"

demons and disembodied spirits or else among that crap ARE NOT LIKE HUMANS, you moron.
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How do you go from birds and dolphins to demons and disembodied spirits?
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I can accept the permis we have created the time values we use to measure with. Understanding our eyes can only see a small portion on the full light spectrum, can only see objects that are still or move at slow speeds relative to our position or perspedtive. Many things go on around us we must be oblivious to. However contants of physics are that, constant.

I would guess that another race of aliens may use a totaly different basis to measure with however the object being measured would not change because of it. Gravity is not unigue to earth itself. It is in all objects of any mass and IMO effect other worlds similarly.
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I can accept the permis we have created the time values we use to measure with. Understanding our eyes can only see a small portion on the full light spectrum, can only see objects that are still or move at slow speeds relative to our position or perspedtive. Many things go on around us we must be oblivious to. However contants of physics are that, constant.

I would guess that another race of aliens may use a totaly different basis to measure with however the object being measured would not change because of it. Gravity is not unigue to earth itself. It is in all objects of any mass and IMO effect other worlds similarly.
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Gravity itself is not unique but perhaps there are different kinds of gravity. It depends on the size of the planet and it's position. Maybe a different kind of gravity creates other realities. Maybe there is even life on Mars that we can't see because of our perspective.
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that was interesting, thanks!
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thought creates the concept of time, an understanding of time, relative to the physical senses, intelligence and experiences of the brain that creates the concept.

ockels brain may or may not have the intelligence but it surly lacks the senses and experiences required to build a complete explanation of time.

understanding the cosmos is not the domain of humans alone. understanding the cosmos and the concept of time will move closer to the truth for humans when they can combine their intelligence and experiences with the knowledge possessed by other beings that dwell within the universe.
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is he a mason or a Mormon?.. even though they are the same shit.
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You are an idiot.
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No you are. The Mormons are often Masons and fill NASA. Neither have an ounce of truth.
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Time is not an illusion and it has nothing to do with gravity, it is constant throughout the universe. However, humans perception of time is based on the Earths' rotation around the orbit of the Sun, which is irrelevent to the universe's perception of time. What you have to do is find a constant throughout the universe, such as the speed of light, or the half-life decay of elements, or the pulse rate of quasars, etc. Then create a universal time standard based on that. But time is not an illusion! It would take you the same amount of time to take a shit out at the edge of the universe as it does here!!!
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I can accept the permis we have created the time values we use to measure with. Understanding our eyes can only see a small portion on the full light spectrum, can only see objects that are still or move at slow speeds relative to our position or perspedtive. Many things go on around us we must be oblivious to. However contants of physics are that, constant.

I would guess that another race of aliens may use a totaly different basis to measure with however the object being measured would not change because of it. Gravity is not unigue to earth itself. It is in all objects of any mass and IMO effect other worlds similarly.
 Quoting: Krazy Effin Ivan 11691423


Gravity itself is not unique but perhaps there are different kinds of gravity. It depends on the size of the planet and it's position. Maybe a different kind of gravity creates other realities. Maybe there is even life on Mars that we can't see because of our perspective.
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I agree that different bodies will have different gravities/levels and depending on thier interaction to other attractions could produce many effects. To me however the physics happening in all this are the same cause and effect. I think we are not aware of many things even here on earth much less other planets or Galaxy.

In my way of thinking reality is first person in that it is always in the mind of an individual. That given we have millions on realities here on earth. But outside of that the earth is as it is. Reality is the perception of someone. Actuality is a one inch solid cube of gold is that and just that.
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Prof. dr. Wubbo J. Ockels is a Dutch physicist, and also the Netherlands' original astronaut. He is a Professor of Aerospace Sustainable Engineering and Technology at the University of Delft, and tries to stimulate a mentality change among Dutch citizens.

In his mind-bending TEDxAmsterdam talk, Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings, as a way our brains can make sense of gravity. The speed of light is constant, because it is made by us: it’s the clock by which we have calibrated our existence. Based on this premise, Ockels proposes a new way to explore life in our galaxy.
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So a foot is not a foot because it was only thought of on this planet... an inch, not an inch... ounce, not an ounce?

I am having a hard time wanting to waste my mental energy on the subject... we have to have some way to measure differences... in time, distance, volume...
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An ounce of material on earth doesnt weigh an ounce on the moon. Distance is also relative but harder to notice. What he is saying is that distace is a function of gravity.
So an object meauring precisisly 3 meters on earth will not be the same leangth on the moon. The yard stick changes as much as the object your measuring so you wont be able to detect the difference without stepping out of the relative frame.
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Time is not an illusion and it has nothing to do with gravity, it is constant throughout the universe. However, humans perception of time is based on the Earths' rotation around the orbit of the Sun, which is irrelevent to the universe's perception of time. What you have to do is find a constant throughout the universe, such as the speed of light, or the half-life decay of elements, or the pulse rate of quasars, etc. Then create a universal time standard based on that. But time is not an illusion! It would take you the same amount of time to take a shit out at the edge of the universe as it does here!!!
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your wrong

it could take you millions of earth years to take a shit near a black hole.
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is he a mason or a Mormon?.. even though they are the same shit.
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Masons are not Mormon.. not by any majority that's for sure.
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Time is not an illusion and it has nothing to do with gravity, it is constant throughout the universe. However, humans perception of time is based on the Earths' rotation around the orbit of the Sun, which is irrelevent to the universe's perception of time. What you have to do is find a constant throughout the universe, such as the speed of light, or the half-life decay of elements, or the pulse rate of quasars, etc. Then create a universal time standard based on that. But time is not an illusion! It would take you the same amount of time to take a shit out at the edge of the universe as it does here!!!
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your wrong

it could take you millions of earth years to take a shit near a black hole.
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But you would still perceive the time you took to take the shit to be the same as on earth, due to your frame of reference. Time can be a slippery thing...

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I would like to troll now...I havent trolled in a long long time. So I would like to say this is me trolling without vulgarims and the like. Why no vulgarisms you ask?

Because ever since the Insider said(wrote) that every thought,word, and writing is a energy being created I changed my way(s). I dont even like to think badly about my enemies.


Take care for now.
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I would like to troll now...I havent trolled in a long long time. So I would like to say this is me trolling without vulgarims and the like. Why no vulgarisms you ask?

Because ever since the Insider said(wrote) that every thought,word, and writing is a energy being created I changed my way(s). I dont even like to think badly about my enemies.


Take care for now.
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Isaiah 6:6

:-)

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What about dolphins? Birds? Do they create time, or do they exist outside of time? LOL
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They are earthly creatures just like humans. Does that answer your question?
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Not outside of time, but a different type and idea of time. We have created number systems to keep track of time now. Other animals dont "keep track" of time persè but they use the sun light to let them know what to do.
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time is determined by the sun

yes time is different in different solar systems

but it's not determined specifically by humans

animals, insects, and plants all yield to time

regardless of humans observing it

time is in fact determined by the manifestation of mater which emanates from the sun

you and I observe the same time as ALL MATTER in this solar system

an interesting point is that time does NOT exist in between solar systems

damned
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Its the same question as if a tree falls in a forest...

Does time exist if there is nothing to percieve it?
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great!
thanks OP

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you've been designed to remain a fool forever, or else?..
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Stop spamming ops thread shill. If you dont agree thats fine , you stated your opinion/perception now let others do the same without your hate ! Obviously this has some truth or you wouldnt be running in circles trying to stop people from interpreting as truth.

Thanks for posting op! I will watch on my break my friend.
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Interesting approach but imo. our Time is not made
by us, it is made by the Moon and by the Sun,
we just gave the Names but Time is coming
"from Space"!
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At GLP, you might as well be discussing this at the Mad Hatter's tea party.
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great!
thanks OP

bump
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you've been designed to remain a fool forever, or else?..
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in your eyes ?
i will remain fool forever
but i am glad, i represent this role for you
i influenced you and you me
fair enough

hf
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wise response
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Re: Former astronaut Ockels about Aliens and the illusion of time.
yawn... his whole thing about our brain makes time was stupid. since he now knows about how his brain is tricking him i guess he will never age now.



his whole thing about how differing gravity means differing time i knew already.

stupid presentation



this is why the annunaki live for 360,000+ years

1 orbit is 36,000 years 36,000X100 = 360,000 years

I KNEW THIS ALREADY. DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!@@@
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