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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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XSlyOneX User ID: 1446631 United States 09/27/2012 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Wow.... That made me feel so dumb... Ron Paul or Bust |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8043847 United States 09/27/2012 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. ummm.... uh...... Have you tried asking these folks? [link to www.engineersedge.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24362744 United States 09/27/2012 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. 7 on / 7 off is pretty short cycling....why the short "on" duration? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. 7 on / 7 off is pretty short cycling....why the short "on" duration? Well that was pump specs, I can change that via the 555 timer chip specs, so whatever the optimal time for off and on to yielf the best case volume and pressure given an orifice size if fine... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. ummm.... uh...... Have you tried asking these folks? [link to www.engineersedge.com] Thanks. I asked the question over there. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24362744 United States 09/27/2012 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. 7 on / 7 off is pretty short cycling....why the short "on" duration? Well that was pump specs, I can change that via the 555 timer chip specs, so whatever the optimal time for off and on to yielf the best case volume and pressure given an orifice size if fine... need a little more to go on...you talking about off the shelf orifice(s) like for a gas manifold in propane pr natural gas heat?....or you gonna drill them yourself |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. 7 on / 7 off is pretty short cycling....why the short "on" duration? Well that was pump specs, I can change that via the 555 timer chip specs, so whatever the optimal time for off and on to yielf the best case volume and pressure given an orifice size if fine... need a little more to go on...you talking about off the shelf orifice(s) like for a gas manifold in propane pr natural gas heat?....or you gonna drill them yourself Drill them myself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24362744 United States 09/27/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24362744 7 on / 7 off is pretty short cycling....why the short "on" duration? Well that was pump specs, I can change that via the 555 timer chip specs, so whatever the optimal time for off and on to yielf the best case volume and pressure given an orifice size if fine... need a little more to go on...you talking about off the shelf orifice(s) like for a gas manifold in propane pr natural gas heat?....or you gonna drill them yourself Drill them myself. do you have access to a machinist drill index?...one with the "A" thru "xyz" plus the "Fractional" sizes? |
Thermogenesis User ID: 2457798 United States 09/27/2012 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is probably more of a physical chemistry question than it is an engineering question. I believe you could answer this utilizing the root mean square speed equation: urms = (3RT/M)½ v (rms) = sq rt(3 RT/M) = sq rt(3 N k T/M) = sq rt(3 kT/m) where R = 8.314 gas const = N k M = N * m N = Avogadro No. = 6.02*10^23 M = mass of 1 molecule k = Boltsman const = 1.38*10^-23 m = M/N = 0.032/6.02*10^23 = 5.316*10^-26 *unless your dealing with constant temp orifice size would fall in a range Last Edited by Thermogenesis on 09/27/2012 07:35 PM |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Well that was pump specs, I can change that via the 555 timer chip specs, so whatever the optimal time for off and on to yielf the best case volume and pressure given an orifice size if fine... need a little more to go on...you talking about off the shelf orifice(s) like for a gas manifold in propane pr natural gas heat?....or you gonna drill them yourself Drill them myself. do you have access to a machinist drill index?...one with the "A" thru "xyz" plus the "Fractional" sizes? not at the moment, but yes. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is probably more of a physical chemistry question than it is an engineering question. I believe you could answer this utilizing the root mean square speed equation: Quoting: Thermogenesis v (rms) = sq rt(3 RT/M) = sq rt(3 N k T/M) = sq rt(3 kT/m) where R = 8.314 gas const = N k M = N * m N = Avogadro No. = 6.02*10^23 M = mass of 1 molecule = 32 gram = 0.032 kg k = Boltsman const = 1.38*10^-23 m = M/N = 0.032/6.02*10^23 = 5.316*10^-26 Well I know it would be similar to fluid dynamics, I'm just not sure how to approach this. ...plus its been years since I have delved into this. Mostly a systems engineer now. Anyways, I guess it would probably be easier to approach this as a sealed system, with a max pressure of: 360 mmHg ...and calculate orifice size and time duration for total leak down. Though I'm really not sure which equations to use... however, the system is not closed but dynamic, but at least it may get me in the ballpark... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This looks like a unit conversion problem. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18515675 What is the orifice size at the air rail? That may limit you anyway. The air rails are 1/4" ID. and are open, no orifice as of yet. That is basically what I am trying to find out. What orifice size do I need to optimize pressure, and flow, given the pump specs and total system volume... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23579473 United States 09/27/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Sure. :docbrown: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24362744 United States 09/27/2012 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24362744 need a little more to go on...you talking about off the shelf orifice(s) like for a gas manifold in propane pr natural gas heat?....or you gonna drill them yourself Drill them myself. do you have access to a machinist drill index?...one with the "A" thru "xyz" plus the "Fractional" sizes? not at the moment, but yes. Sorry, I meant 1-60, 60 being the smallest.... do you have several "blanks" for experimentation? if so I'd start at #46 which is .081 and work back toward #1 getting bigger as you go. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18515675 United States 09/27/2012 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Inflation time < 8s (from 0-3.86735494 psi in a 6.10237441 cubic inch tank) Air flow > 4.27166 cubic inches/min 4.27166 =0.0711943 cubic inches/sec Max pressure > 6.96123889 psi Leakage max 0.696123889 psi/15s = 0.04640825926 psi/s @ 4.27166209 cubic inch tank ..for reference |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1018748 United States 09/27/2012 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Inflation time < 8s (from 0-3.86735494 psi in a 6.10237441 cubic inch tank) Air flow > 4.27166 cubic inches/min 4.27166 =0.0711943 cubic inches/sec Max pressure > 6.96123889 psi Leakage max 0.696123889 psi/15s = 0.04640825926 psi/s @ 4.27166209 cubic inch tank ..for reference Thanks. I should have converted everything over to SI or Imperial... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23719187 United States 09/27/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a small pump system for a project that requires a small manifold. The total volume of the manifold and the tubing is 2.9828 cu inches. Here is my pump specs: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018748 Inflation time < 8s (from 0-200 mmHg in a 100cc tank) Air flow > 70mL/min Max pressure > 360mmHg Leakage max 36mmHg/15sec from 300mmHg at 70cc tank Pump time - 7sec on / 7sec off From the pump is a 3/16" x 12" tube (volume = .3311 cubic inches) which attaches to a small cylindrical manifold (1"x3" - volume = 2.3571 cubic inches) that has two air rails (each air rail (1/4" x 3" -volume = .2946 cubic inches). Total volume should be 2.9828 cubic inches. I was hoping to see if someone could figure out how big of an orifice I would need on each rail for maximum pressure, within the 7 seconds on, 7 seconds off (basically optimal orifice pressure and size where manifold drops stays at a constant positive pressure at the end of the 7 second off phase wherein the 7 seconds on phase starts to pump and build pressure. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks. He said orifice... LOL... |
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