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'Jesus Not Allowed': Anti-Faith Sentiment Sweeps US....Could you imagine going to jail for your faith? A recent report warns that it could.

 
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'Jesus Not Allowed': Anti-Faith Sentiment Sweeps US....Could you imagine going to jail for your faith? A recent report warns that it could.
CBN News investigated the growing wave of hostility to Christianity in America that's led to hundreds of court cases.

No Religion Allowed


Angela Hildenbrand faced the very real possibility of going to jail for her faith. The trouble began when a federal judge ruled that no one at her Texas high school could pray or even use words like "prayer" or "amen" during the 2011 graduation ceremonies.

As class valedictorian, Hildenbrand felt God deserved the praise, even if it meant jail for her.

"I was definitely preparing myself to have to make that sort of tough decision and mentally prepare myself for what well could be coming next," she told CBN News.

Hildenbrand's case is just one of more than 640 cases of religious hostility cited in a new report by the Liberty Institute. General Counsel Jeff Mateer, who takes on many of these cases, helped put the survey together.

"The atheists and the secularists are well-organized and they're well-funded," the Liberty Institute attorney told CBN News.

"The rate of hostility to people of faith is overwhelming," he said. "It's increasing. Every day, we're getting calls."

One call involved the Veterans Administration demanding to preview Scott Rainey's prayer for a Memorial Day ceremony at Houston National Cemetery.

They told Rainey, who pastors the Living Word Church of the Nazarene in Houston, he couldn't pray "in Jesus' name."

"I have never said a prayer in my life where I didn't end it saying 'in the name of Jesus Christ I pray, amen,'" Pastor Rainey said.

Contending for the Faith

Mateer is also working to save this veteran's memorial cross in San Diego, one of several cases that could have serious national consequences if courts order their removal.

"Are we going to bulldoze all those crosses?" Mateer asked. "We're going to sandblast God from the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?"

But Mateer says the good news is, when believers fight back, they usually win.

"You need to stand up and fight," he said. "And that's exactly what Angela did."

Just one day before Hildenbrand's graduation, an appeals court ruled she could pray and say whatever she wanted.

"I thank You for Your great love for us and for our great nation, where we are free," she prayed at her graduation. "And it's in Jesus' name I pray, amen."

Courts eventually ruled that Pastor Rainey -- and all veterans at burials -- are allowed to freely express their faith.

But there is an across-the-board assault of religious hostility, and Americans' religious liberty hangs in the balance.

[link to www.cbn.com]

Florida Couple Face Fines for Hosting Bible Study
Wednesday, September 19, 2012

A Florida family is facing fines for hosting a weekly Bible study in their home – an act that city officials argue violates zoning codes.

Shane and Marlen Roessiger, of Venice, Fla. are facing a $250 per day fine for hosting Friday night prayer and Bible study gatherings that are attended by as many as 10 people.

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Response: This is becoming an issue all across the country because several major municipal associations have suggested using zoning codes to limit the amount of worship groups and churches that do not contribute to the tax base.

JOHN 15:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil.


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I would hate too if I knew I was going to hell.
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JOHN 15:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil.
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Matthew 5:11

"Blessed are you whenever they revile you and persecute you and they say every evil word against you for my sake, in falsehood."
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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Matthew 5:11

"Blessed are you whenever they revile you and persecute you and they say every evil word against you for my sake, in falsehood."
 Quoting: Rising Son


Amen!
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I would hate too if I knew I was going to hell.
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But thats the thing..they DONT know.

But its all christians ever say..they represent the God of mercy and compassion as a fire breathing hate filled torure loving bastard who hates their guts and wants them dead and tortured.

Last I heard that was SATANS job..NOT gods.

WHY do christians all loving working for satan..cause all they ever speak are HIS words and HIS attitudes?
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Far more to the stories than the tiny out of context snip it here.
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Matthew 5:11

"Blessed are you whenever they revile you and persecute you and they say every evil word against you for my sake, in falsehood."
 Quoting: Rising Son


Amen!
 Quoting: christian


Thank you for the thread, OP :-)
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I would hate too if I knew I was going to hell.
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But thats the thing..they DONT know.

But its all christians ever say..they represent the God of mercy and compassion as a fire breathing hate filled torure loving bastard who hates their guts and wants them dead and tortured.

Last I heard that was SATANS job..NOT gods.

WHY do christians all loving working for satan..cause all they ever speak are HIS words and HIS attitudes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16808486


God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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Matthew 5:11

"Blessed are you whenever they revile you and persecute you and they say every evil word against you for my sake, in falsehood."
 Quoting: Rising Son


Amen!
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Thank you for the thread, OP :-)
hf
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You are welcome..:)

We stand together in our LORD and Savior..Christ the LORD..
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These issues all seem to be about a certain religious group thinking they should be above the law.

That's pretty much it.

Now, I'm willing to be as intolerant (or even tolerant at times)as the next person when it comes to religion, but why should being a Christian be any different than anything else?

If religious speech isn't allowed at a school (read "state) sponsored event, especially if it would make many of the people attending feel uncomfortable, then that isn't intolerance.

What's intolerant is believing that having a shared imaginary friend means you should be treated differently than anyone else.

The law is the law and you don't get to make it up as you go. Not unless you become a judge I hear. (That's a different issue though.)

That said, I do think that we, as individuals, should be slightly intolerant of all religions for a while.

Either prove what you're saying is real and demonstrable, or back off and don't insist people live by your made up rules and strictures. I don't care what religion you practice, as long as you don't try to make it a part of my life.

Until you, or some other religion, can pull out actual proof, you don't deserve to be listened to. Any of you religious people.
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These issues all seem to be about a certain religious group thinking they should be above the law.

That's pretty much it.

Now, I'm willing to be as intolerant (or even tolerant at times)as the next person when it comes to religion, but why should being a Christian be any different than anything else?

If religious speech isn't allowed at a school (read "state) sponsored event, especially if it would make many of the people attending feel uncomfortable, then that isn't intolerance.

What's intolerant is believing that having a shared imaginary friend means you should be treated differently than anyone else.

The law is the law and you don't get to make it up as you go. Not unless you become a judge I hear. (That's a different issue though.)

That said, I do think that we, as individuals, should be slightly intolerant of all religions for a while.

Either prove what you're saying is real and demonstrable, or back off and don't insist people live by your made up rules and strictures. I don't care what religion you practice, as long as you don't try to make it a part of my life.

Until you, or some other religion, can pull out actual proof, you don't deserve to be listened to. Any of you religious people.
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You are just full-fillment of Scripture..

We know you have come

We know you are here

We know your works

We will continue to proclaim the Gospel to the finish line.
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I would hate too if I knew I was going to hell.
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But thats the thing..they DONT know.

But its all christians ever say..they represent the God of mercy and compassion as a fire breathing hate filled torure loving bastard who hates their guts and wants them dead and tortured.

Last I heard that was SATANS job..NOT gods.

WHY do christians all loving working for satan..cause all they ever speak are HIS words and HIS attitudes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16808486


God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
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I would hate too if I knew I was going to hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21040924


But thats the thing..they DONT know.

But its all christians ever say..they represent the God of mercy and compassion as a fire breathing hate filled torure loving bastard who hates their guts and wants them dead and tortured.

Last I heard that was SATANS job..NOT gods.

WHY do christians all loving working for satan..cause all they ever speak are HIS words and HIS attitudes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16808486


God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


You think God is at all happy about the way some of His children have strayed? You honestly think He gets some sick, demented pleasure from the suffering of His children? What you fail to understand is that God's mercy endures forever and His love never fails for those that CHOOSE Him. As anyone with an ounce of reason can understand, you cannot FORCE someone to love you.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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These issues all seem to be about a certain religious group thinking they should be above the law.

That's pretty much it.

Now, I'm willing to be as intolerant (or even tolerant at times)as the next person when it comes to religion, but why should being a Christian be any different than anything else?

If religious speech isn't allowed at a school (read "state) sponsored event, especially if it would make many of the people attending feel uncomfortable, then that isn't intolerance.

What's intolerant is believing that having a shared imaginary friend means you should be treated differently than anyone else.

The law is the law and you don't get to make it up as you go. Not unless you become a judge I hear. (That's a different issue though.)

That said, I do think that we, as individuals, should be slightly intolerant of all religions for a while.

Either prove what you're saying is real and demonstrable, or back off and don't insist people live by your made up rules and strictures. I don't care what religion you practice, as long as you don't try to make it a part of my life.

Until you, or some other religion, can pull out actual proof, you don't deserve to be listened to. Any of you religious people.
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well you are intolerable to me..but does that give me the right to shut you up? No, fair is fair.
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I would hate too if I knew I was going to hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21040924


But thats the thing..they DONT know.

But its all christians ever say..they represent the God of mercy and compassion as a fire breathing hate filled torure loving bastard who hates their guts and wants them dead and tortured.

Last I heard that was SATANS job..NOT gods.

WHY do christians all loving working for satan..cause all they ever speak are HIS words and HIS attitudes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16808486


God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
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I'm afraid he will be far from the one looking like the fool!
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Why can the musslums get jello taken out of school lunches. Allowed to wear there religous headress where you can't see the face and have all kinds of times to be set aside at school so they can pray. Yet we can't say God or Jesus? Don't get it!
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Hey OP! I wonder if the person in this story wanted to say "In Alla's name" or wanted to give a "Hail Satan" if you think that'd be ok? Honest answer plz.
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If you people who 'claim' to be Christians would leave the rest of us who have better things to occupy ourselves with the hell alone, nobody would ever give you a thought. You will never make this country a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamic theocracy so just be quiet.
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Hey OP! I wonder if the person in this story wanted to say "In Alla's name" or wanted to give a "Hail Satan" if you think that'd be ok? Honest answer plz.
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Currently the Culture Tide is more embracing of Islam rather than Christianity, so yes Allah would be more Politically Correct and accepting...
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But thats the thing..they DONT know.

But its all christians ever say..they represent the God of mercy and compassion as a fire breathing hate filled torure loving bastard who hates their guts and wants them dead and tortured.

Last I heard that was SATANS job..NOT gods.

WHY do christians all loving working for satan..cause all they ever speak are HIS words and HIS attitudes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16808486


God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


You think God is at all happy about the way some of His children have strayed? You honestly think He gets some sick, demented pleasure from the suffering of His children? What you fail to understand is that God's mercy endures forever and His love never fails for those that CHOOSE Him. As anyone with an ounce of reason can understand, you cannot FORCE someone to love you.
 Quoting: Rising Son


But forcing someone to love you is exactly what christians say God does..LOVE him or he will torture you forever.

if THATS not force..I dont know what is.
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If you people who 'claim' to be Christians would leave the rest of us who have better things to occupy ourselves with the hell alone, nobody would ever give you a thought. You will never make this country a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamic theocracy so just be quiet.
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Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. BTW, where do you think a majority of our laws came from? If you think a group of atheists came up with the concept of the United States, you would be very wrong indeed.
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God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


You think God is at all happy about the way some of His children have strayed? You honestly think He gets some sick, demented pleasure from the suffering of His children? What you fail to understand is that God's mercy endures forever and His love never fails for those that CHOOSE Him. As anyone with an ounce of reason can understand, you cannot FORCE someone to love you.
 Quoting: Rising Son


But forcing someone to love you is exactly what christians say God does..LOVE him or he will torture you forever.

if THATS not force..I dont know what is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


God is not the one torturing those who stray from His love. God is essentially giving you what you're asking for: if you decide to live your life in contrast to the loving and honorable laws set forth from God, and you choose to hurt your fellow brothers and sisters, you are asking to be forever tormented by Satan. However you treat your fellow brothers and sisters, so you treat God.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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God lets us choose, my friend. It's your choice, choose wisely.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


You think God is at all happy about the way some of His children have strayed? You honestly think He gets some sick, demented pleasure from the suffering of His children? What you fail to understand is that God's mercy endures forever and His love never fails for those that CHOOSE Him. As anyone with an ounce of reason can understand, you cannot FORCE someone to love you.
 Quoting: Rising Son


But forcing someone to love you is exactly what christians say God does..LOVE him or he will torture you forever.

if THATS not force..I dont know what is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


God is not the one torturing those who stray from His love. God is essentially giving you what you're asking for: if you decide to live your life in contrast to the loving and honorable laws set forth from God, and you choose to hurt your fellow brothers and sisters, you are asking to be forever tormented by Satan. However you treat your fellow brothers and sisters, so you treat God.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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Humanity has a terminal disease and is in a collective state of denial.

The Illuminati is wholly Jewish, started by a Jew, operated by the Jews who control the money. Now used, as a convenient myth by Jewish writers to say the problem is not really Jewish.

There is coming a time soon in which we shall have to fight Jews because they are Jews and because we are not,\\\" J.B. Campbell proclaimed in \\\'Jewish Rule\\\' - \\\"They will leave us with no other choice, just as they left the Russians and the Palestinians and the Hungarians and now the Lebanese with no other choice but fight or die a nasty death after captivity and thirst and starvation and torture.

They are everywhere in between, inserting their agenda, have nothing else to do, they are turning America into a grid, for NWO, using best of worlds stolen, manipulated offspring. They make it seem as if everyone is against everyone, and they are the saviors. They make mockery of truth and truely sacred things, and then use them against the masses by stealing fruits of truth. They rely on shame of Americas history and at the same hollow shortsighted pride of it masses who indulge in degradation. They are doctors, lawyers, producers of death for you and your children. Good luck living in their perspective reality.

\"There are no DNA sequences common to all Jews and absent from all non-Jews\"

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demons only tremble at the NAME above all names ..
JESUS
thats why they don't want you to SPEAK it
they have to flee from it
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I HAVE chosen..thats why I DONT represent God as an evil torture loving prick whos greatets failure will be demonstrated by the billions he just COULD NOT SAVE despite his best efforts..imagine how much of a fool he will look on that day when he tosses billions into hell saying "See..I told you my mercy endures forever and that love never fails"

But thats what most christians TEACH.


Think about it.
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You think God is at all happy about the way some of His children have strayed? You honestly think He gets some sick, demented pleasure from the suffering of His children? What you fail to understand is that God's mercy endures forever and His love never fails for those that CHOOSE Him. As anyone with an ounce of reason can understand, you cannot FORCE someone to love you.
 Quoting: Rising Son


But forcing someone to love you is exactly what christians say God does..LOVE him or he will torture you forever.

if THATS not force..I dont know what is.
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God is not the one torturing those who stray from His love. God is essentially giving you what you're asking for: if you decide to live your life in contrast to the loving and honorable laws set forth from God, and you choose to hurt your fellow brothers and sisters, you are asking to be forever tormented by Satan. However you treat your fellow brothers and sisters, so you treat God.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Hang on a minute..I thought satan gets tortured along with everyone else.....

So its ok for god to burn us ignorant and very confused humans alive forever..but he uses his arch enemy who is NOT confused to do his torturing FOR him?

Torture by proxy is STILL BEING A BASTARD.

But I suppose satan will say the same thing the naziz did..that he was only following orders.

I wish JUST ONCE a christian would NOT bloody CONTRADICT thermselves..and JUST FOR ONCE actually KNOW what is in their bible.

Cause YOU dont know SHIT mate..VERY few christian have even read their bible cover to cover.

But hand em a MENS book..or a utube..or a "Word" or some weird "Vision" or "Rumour" and they bow and worship THAT instead.

They dont NEED the bible..they have..CHRISTIAN AUTHORS..who THEMSELVES have never read the bible in detail.

I HAVE..over 70 times in my life cover to cover..MOST versions of it as well.

I KNOW whats in the bible..so dont try and fool me with words from it..cause I KNOW their context..I KNOW the orginal meanings of the greek and latin roots..and I KNOW the historical context behind each book.

SO..ya wanna bible fight..BRING IT!
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Hey OP! I wonder if the person in this story wanted to say "In Alla's name" or wanted to give a "Hail Satan" if you think that'd be ok? Honest answer plz.
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Currently the Culture Tide is more embracing of Islam rather than Christianity, so yes Allah would be more Politically Correct and accepting...
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Hey OP! I wonder if the person in this story wanted to say "In Alla's name" or wanted to give a "Hail Satan" if you think that'd be ok? Honest answer plz.
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Currently the Culture Tide is more embracing of Islam rather than Christianity, so yes Allah would be more Politically Correct and accepting...
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Hi again OP! Perhaps I should have phrased my q better.
What I want to know is if YOU'd be ok with them saying "In Alla's name" at a public school graduation!

Please answer honestly
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Meh, I fear no man or group of people.

This has to happen and I would not only go to jail for my faith, I would gladly give my life defending it because The LORD is my Shepard, I shall not be afraid.
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You think God is at all happy about the way some of His children have strayed? You honestly think He gets some sick, demented pleasure from the suffering of His children? What you fail to understand is that God's mercy endures forever and His love never fails for those that CHOOSE Him. As anyone with an ounce of reason can understand, you cannot FORCE someone to love you.
 Quoting: Rising Son


But forcing someone to love you is exactly what christians say God does..LOVE him or he will torture you forever.

if THATS not force..I dont know what is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


God is not the one torturing those who stray from His love. God is essentially giving you what you're asking for: if you decide to live your life in contrast to the loving and honorable laws set forth from God, and you choose to hurt your fellow brothers and sisters, you are asking to be forever tormented by Satan. However you treat your fellow brothers and sisters, so you treat God.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Hang on a minute..I thought satan gets tortured along with everyone else.....

So its ok for god to burn us ignorant and very confused humans alive forever..but he uses his arch enemy who is NOT confused to do his torturing FOR him?

Torture by proxy is STILL BEING A BASTARD.

But I suppose satan will say the same thing the naziz did..that he was only following orders.

I wish JUST ONCE a christian would NOT bloody CONTRADICT thermselves..and JUST FOR ONCE actually KNOW what is in their bible.

Cause YOU dont know SHIT mate..VERY few christian have even read their bible cover to cover.

But hand em a MENS book..or a utube..or a "Word" or some weird "Vision" or "Rumour" and they bow and worship THAT instead.

They dont NEED the bible..they have..CHRISTIAN AUTHORS..who THEMSELVES have never read the bible in detail.

I HAVE..over 70 times in my life cover to cover..MOST versions of it as well.

I KNOW whats in the bible..so dont try and fool me with words from it..cause I KNOW their context..I KNOW the orginal meanings of the greek and latin roots..and I KNOW the historical context behind each book.

SO..ya wanna bible fight..BRING IT!
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You believe whatever you feel you need to, and you are free to assume anything you wish about my understanding of the bible. You strike me as a very unhappy person, so I would venture to say that if you did in fact read the bible as many times as you say, then it is you that has taken it out of context. I am happy in my faith in God, and I harbor no hatred for you despite your obvious animosity towards me. I will pray for you, that you may let go of the hatred you have in your heart and embrace the natural love that your heavenly Father shows for you :-)
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But forcing someone to love you is exactly what christians say God does..LOVE him or he will torture you forever.

if THATS not force..I dont know what is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16417966


God is not the one torturing those who stray from His love. God is essentially giving you what you're asking for: if you decide to live your life in contrast to the loving and honorable laws set forth from God, and you choose to hurt your fellow brothers and sisters, you are asking to be forever tormented by Satan. However you treat your fellow brothers and sisters, so you treat God.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Hang on a minute..I thought satan gets tortured along with everyone else.....

So its ok for god to burn us ignorant and very confused humans alive forever..but he uses his arch enemy who is NOT confused to do his torturing FOR him?

Torture by proxy is STILL BEING A BASTARD.

But I suppose satan will say the same thing the naziz did..that he was only following orders.

I wish JUST ONCE a christian would NOT bloody CONTRADICT thermselves..and JUST FOR ONCE actually KNOW what is in their bible.

Cause YOU dont know SHIT mate..VERY few christian have even read their bible cover to cover.

But hand em a MENS book..or a utube..or a "Word" or some weird "Vision" or "Rumour" and they bow and worship THAT instead.

They dont NEED the bible..they have..CHRISTIAN AUTHORS..who THEMSELVES have never read the bible in detail.

I HAVE..over 70 times in my life cover to cover..MOST versions of it as well.

I KNOW whats in the bible..so dont try and fool me with words from it..cause I KNOW their context..I KNOW the orginal meanings of the greek and latin roots..and I KNOW the historical context behind each book.

SO..ya wanna bible fight..BRING IT!
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You believe whatever you feel you need to, and you are free to assume anything you wish about my understanding of the bible. You strike me as a very unhappy person, so I would venture to say that if you did in fact read the bible as many times as you say, then it is you that has taken it out of context. I am happy in my faith in God, and I harbor no hatred for you despite your obvious animosity towards me. I will pray for you, that you may let go of the hatred you have in your heart and embrace the natural love that your heavenly Father shows for you :-)
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Look..dont take it personally ok.

Ive just had a gutful of christians spouting crap in utter ignorance of whats in the bible.

They rave and rant about things the have no clue about because they obviously..by the doctrines they continually spout..have never actually sat down and read the bible.


Its like me trying to tell someone how to fix a car in an arrogant snorting snide rude way..having only read three or four pages of the repair manual.

Thats what christians are like.

Rude and arrogant..and UTTERLY IGNORANT to whats in their own flamin BOOK.

Sorry if I got upset..but ya know..I think YOU TOO would get pissed off at self styled mechanics trying to tell you whats in the manual..having never read it themselves.





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