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U.K.ís AAA Faces Increased Likelihood of Downgrade, Fitch Says
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Fitch Warns UK Likelihood It Loses AAA Rating Has Increased [link to www.zerohedge.com]
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The EU is finished. Soon it'll start stinking and people even then will think it's still alive.
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One-by-one, the highest quality collateral in the world (according to ratings that is) is disappearing. To wit, Fitch warns that a downgrade of the UK's AAA rating is increasingly likely: "weaker than expected growth and fiscal outturns in 2012 have increased pressure on the UK's 'AAA' rating, which has been on Negative Outlook since March 2012." The Negative Outlook on the UK rating reflects the very limited fiscal space, at the 'AAA' level, to absorb further adverse economic shocks in light of the UK's elevated debt levels and uncertain growth outlook. Global economic headwinds, including those emanating from the on-going eurozone crisis, have compounded the drag on UK growth from private sector deleveraging and fiscal consolidation as well as from depressed business and consumer confidence, weak investment, and constrained credit growth. But no mention of unlimited QE?



Via Fitch: -London-28 September 2012: Fitch Ratings has affirmed the United Kingdom's (UK) sovereign ratings as follows:

--Long-term foreign currency Issuer Default Rating (IDR) affirmed at 'AAA'

--Long-term local currency IDR affirmed at 'AAA'

--Country Ceiling affirmed at 'AAA'

--Short-term foreign currency rating affirmed at 'F1+'

The Outlooks on the Long-term IDRs have been maintained at Negative.

The Negative Outlook on the UK rating reflects the very limited fiscal space, at the 'AAA' level, to absorb further adverse economic shocks in light of the UK's elevated debt levels and uncertain growth outlook.

A downgrade of the UK's 'AAA' sovereign rating would likely be triggered by the following:

-- General government gross debt failing to stabilise below 100% of GDP and on a firm downward path towards 90% of GDP over the medium-term.

-- Discretionary fiscal easing that resulted in government debt peaking later and higher than currently forecast.

-- A material downward revision of the assessment of the UK's medium-term growth potential.
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
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uk
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
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uk
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Hi man,

we're fucked. Just a matter of time.
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
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uk
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Hi man,

we're fucked. Just a matter of time.
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Yes all Europe, and you don't have euro, if you have it you were worse!
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
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This is a bullshit myth.

Think about it.

It never was our gold.

England is owned. It belongs to the Corporation of London (Queen is big shareholder), who own the fucking BoE, which is where the gold is.

So, they sold it to themselves? Give me a fucking break, also, it ain't moved anywhere ... it's still in the same vault.

If anything ever did change, then maybe, just maybe there is a newer signature on the lease hold note.


... morans.
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
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uk
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Hi man,

we're fucked. Just a matter of time.
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ohyeah
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Thanks mainly to Gordon Brown (the guy who also sold half of the UK's gold at the absolute low in prices, and even pre-announced that sale to get the price lower for the banksters)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24461947


This is a bullshit myth.

Think about it.

It never was our gold.

England is owned. It belongs to the Corporation of London (Queen is big shareholder), who own the fucking BoE, which is where the gold is.

So, they sold it to themselves? Give me a fucking break, also, it ain't moved anywhere ... it's still in the same vault.

If anything ever did change, then maybe, just maybe there is a newer signature on the lease hold note.


... morans.
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This is what happens when you have to little information and too much imagination.
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U.K. TREASURY SAYS ADDING FURTHER STIMULUS WOULD IMPERIL RATING. Paging TurboTaxTim
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No wonder even Cameron is allowing the notion of a referendum on the EU to be floated... as though it might happen to distract the people with the one hand while they are robbed with the other..

All smoke and mirrors with one minor issue that the smoke is clearing and the mirror cracking..
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These ratings agencies & their ratings fucking get me! I mean, they're not like personal financial advisers, & sure, they do a lot of analysis to make their decisions, but is it really beneficial for a struggling country to pay more interest on liquidity loans just because a bunch of pen-pushers say the country or state are doing things tough?

Sure, if a bank or corporation is a high risk investment the people should know about it, but a state or national government is a bit different from a consumerist entity.

Does it really help the world's stagnant economy to issue these ratings?

I suppose the little guy gets screwed no matter what.

rant
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No big deal. Everyone is losing their AAA lately. Wake me up when a serious downgrade occurs.
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These ratings agencies & their ratings fucking get me! I mean, they're not like personal financial advisers, & sure, they do a lot of analysis to make their decisions, but is it really beneficial for a struggling country to pay more interest on liquidity loans just because a bunch of pen-pushers say the country or state are doing things tough?

Sure, if a bank or corporation is a high risk investment the people should know about it, but a state or national government is a bit different from a consumerist entity.

Does it really help the world's stagnant economy to issue these ratings?

I suppose the little guy gets screwed no matter what.

rant
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dasbier
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No wonder even Cameron is allowing the notion of a referendum on the EU to be floated... as though it might happen to distract the people with the one hand while they are robbed with the other..

All smoke and mirrors with one minor issue that the smoke is clearing and the mirror cracking..
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Its not even a proper referendum.

Its basically YES to a NEW FEDERAL UNION of the EU, and NO to keep the UK as she is now.
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As long as the yellow-toothed queen is alive, the UK (ENGLAND) will have their wonderful credit rating....unless they plan on her 'demise' then I would NOT worry about this.
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As long as the yellow-toothed queen is alive, the UK (ENGLAND) will have their wonderful credit rating....unless they plan on her 'demise' then I would NOT worry about this.
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Grow up.
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As long as the yellow-toothed queen is alive, the UK (ENGLAND) will have their wonderful credit rating....unless they plan on her 'demise' then I would NOT worry about this.
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Grow up.
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some people never grow up.
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why do people go on about these bullshit ratings all the time?

they are TOTAL bullshit!

we are all, all over the world, printing WORTHLESS money.

we're ALL fucked, no matter what pretty letters are after our names in the form of 'ratings'

lol

it's amusing to watch the name calling and gloating

one of these days, the party will be over for ALL of us!
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why do people go on about these bullshit ratings all the time?

they are TOTAL bullshit!

we are all, all over the world, printing WORTHLESS money.

we're ALL fucked, no matter what pretty letters are after our names in the form of 'ratings'

lol

it's amusing to watch the name calling and gloating

one of these days, the party will be over for ALL of us!
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They might be bullshit, but ratings have a very material effect on the Interest Rates demanded by foreigners in order to buy rhe debt. The higher IR's can send a country over the edge quickly, e.g. Greece.

The fact that ratings are altered at opportune moments and there is conflict-of-interest between the ratings companies and the issuers (ratings companies paid by issuers to provide ratings) is by-the-by.. we live in a bullshit manipulated world.
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PS I think the only thing to have saved the UK so far is the deby maturity profile - i.e. much of our debt does not have to be rolled over for decades. Thus we only have to find buyers for new issuance, until that rollover gradually catches up.

Compare U.S. Maturity profile:
[link to themarketsoul.files.wordpress.com]

with uk:
[link to av.r.ftdata.co.uk]
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PS I think the only thing to have saved the UK so far is the deby maturity profile - i.e. much of our debt does not have to be rolled over for decades. Thus we only have to find buyers for new issuance, until that rollover gradually catches up.

Compare U.S. Maturity profile:
[link to themarketsoul.files.wordpress.com]

with uk:
[link to av.r.ftdata.co.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24461947


What's saved the UK so far is that there are bigger fish to fry.
Unfortunately the UK finances have now reached such a stage that it's obvious to all and sundry that the conservatives weren't really planning to reign in the spending spree that labour took us on, the tories managed to play a game of smoke and mirrors for a few years, hoping that growth and inflation will offset debt, but even banana republic economics wasn't enough.

Last Edited by Siward on 09/28/2012 06:40 PM
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