MY SKEPTICISM OF MITT (MITTENS) ROMNEY | |
Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States 09/28/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15788170 United States 09/28/2012 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I share your skepticism of Mittens. So many of my friends in MA detested him when he reigned, liberal and conservative. He changes his position like most change their underwear to pander to whomever he's talking to. His version of capitalism is predatory rather than free market. I'm socially liberal, but very fiscally conservative... so he and I will never see eye to eye as I suspect he'd become rather theocratic due to the hold the Mormon church has on him. I don't see him making any real attempt to cut waste... and I see him as a corporate socialist. So with one, the money goes to the bottom which helps businesses like grocery stores, etc. With a corporate socialist, it goes straight to the top and gets hoarded. I don't like either way, but I detest the thought of my money going up rather than down and I'm pragmatic. That being said, I'm voting for Gary Johnson because I see him as the only hope for getting the goobermint out of the redistribution business. I realize it won't get him elected, but I'm not in a swing state either... and I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I wasn't complicit in the victory of either socialist candidate. |
Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States 09/28/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. Quoting: Sleeping Giant However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Plus, I'd like to add the fact that O wants to create a government-dependant society. Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. Quoting: Sleeping Giant However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Yea, my Obama list would be a mile long.... |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. Quoting: Sleeping Giant However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Plus, I'd like to add the fact that O wants to create a government-dependant society. |
Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States 09/28/2012 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. Quoting: Sleeping Giant However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Yea, my Obama list would be a mile long.... So basically, again.....We have to choose the best of the worst. Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I share your skepticism of Mittens. So many of my friends in MA detested him when he reigned, liberal and conservative. He changes his position like most change their underwear to pander to whomever he's talking to. His version of capitalism is predatory rather than free market. I'm socially liberal, but very fiscally conservative... so he and I will never see eye to eye as I suspect he'd become rather theocratic due to the hold the Mormon church has on him. I don't see him making any real attempt to cut waste... and I see him as a corporate socialist. So with one, the money goes to the bottom which helps businesses like grocery stores, etc. With a corporate socialist, it goes straight to the top and gets hoarded. I don't like either way, but I detest the thought of my money going up rather than down and I'm pragmatic. That being said, I'm voting for Gary Johnson because I see him as the only hope for getting the goobermint out of the redistribution business. I realize it won't get him elected, but I'm not in a swing state either... and I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I wasn't complicit in the victory of either socialist candidate. Quoting: Bea Nameless Nice. Very well said. Thank you. |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. Quoting: Sleeping Giant However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Yea, my Obama list would be a mile long.... So basically, again.....We have to choose the best of the worst. Like the Red's trying to pick an Ace out of their pitching staff..... |
Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States 09/28/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i Think those are valid concerns, and I share them as well. Fiscally and socially, I really don't think there is too much distance between the two candidates. Quoting: Sleeping Giant However, I have the bigger issue with Obama and all of his radical ties and questionable past. -Why did he hang out with terrorists/radicals/socialists/communists/American haters? -Why is he an American apologist? -Why is hsd SS number fake? -How did he rise to power so quickly? -Why did he attend Columbia as a foreign student/accept foreign aid? And many more Plus, his love for- Executive orders NDAA Hundreds of Czars Larry Sinclair Yea, my Obama list would be a mile long.... So basically, again.....We have to choose the best of the worst. Like the Red's trying to pick an Ace out of their pitching staff..... Yeah, it's a tough choice to pick between Cueto or Latos. They are both so good. Last Edited by Sleeping Giant on 09/28/2012 01:55 PM Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
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-GooGooFlexy- User ID: 1238529 United States 09/28/2012 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that he plans on spending BILLIONS more on military. Billions that don't need to be spent if we just bring our men back home. A personal problem for me is that this man is as socially conservative as they get. You're dead on correct when you say that he won't shrink the overall size of the government. THAT'S the problem we have with our current party system. If you vote Democrat, you get more government through a fiscally liberal system. If you vote Republican, you get more government through a socially conservative system. The ideal candidate for me is somebody that's fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Less government telling us what we need to do with our money and less government telling us what's good for us in our private lives. I'm not sure what your position is on marijuana...frankly, I don't care. All I know is that Mitt Romney will fight legalization of this PLANT "tooth and nail" according to his own words. As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't affect someone else's life, freedom, or possessions...it shouldn't have big brother's grimy hands in it. He also supports the outdated embargo on Cuba. I want some goddamn cigars. -GooGooFlexy- |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1676119 United States 09/28/2012 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well that is what we all thought before is the pubs ment smaller gov. but those days are long gone. they are all either side for big gov and big corp handouts. we need a third party for the health of our nation. we have no money to hand out and gov. needs shorter term limits than they have now. no more career politicians. |
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Life's-A-Bitch User ID: 1243271 United States 09/28/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | at least Mitt isn't a muslim, a muslim who follows the Quaran, and who would side with the Muslims as Mr O said he would in one of his books.. Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is Postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine [link to www.youtube.com] Aired on LBC TV (Lebanon) - June 19, 2008 Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine : Quote.. There is no minimum age for entering marriage… Really ? this shit is allowed, but a parody, (joke) is an offence that gets you jail time Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that he plans on spending BILLIONS more on military. Billions that don't need to be spent if we just bring our men back home. Quoting: -GooGooFlexy- A personal problem for me is that this man is as socially conservative as they get. You're dead on correct when you say that he won't shrink the overall size of the government. THAT'S the problem we have with our current party system. If you vote Democrat, you get more government through a fiscally liberal system. If you vote Republican, you get more government through a socially conservative system. The ideal candidate for me is somebody that's fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Less government telling us what we need to do with our money and less government telling us what's good for us in our private lives. I'm not sure what your position is on marijuana...frankly, I don't care. All I know is that Mitt Romney will fight legalization of this PLANT "tooth and nail" according to his own words. As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't affect someone else's life, freedom, or possessions...it shouldn't have big brother's grimy hands in it. He also supports the outdated embargo on Cuba. I want some goddamn cigars. Very well said. As for him being super socially conservative....that has only been the last couple years. I believe the pander to his conservative audience. He used to be more...well I guess more like less socially conservative. As for the rest of your post, I agree with all of it. Well said. |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well that is what we all thought before is the pubs ment smaller gov. but those days are long gone. they are all either side for big gov and big corp handouts. we need a third party for the health of our nation. we have no money to hand out and gov. needs shorter term limits than they have now. no more career politicians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1676119 |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | at least Mitt isn't a muslim, a muslim who follows the Quaran, and who would side with the Muslims as Mr O said he would in one of his books.. Quoting: Life's-A-Bitch Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is Postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine [link to www.youtube.com] Aired on LBC TV (Lebanon) - June 19, 2008 Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine : Quote.. There is no minimum age for entering marriage… Really ? this shit is allowed, but a parody, (joke) is an offence that gets you jail time Yea, Obama is very Anti American. He wants to change us to what he, and europe and the middle east would like to see us be. Which goes against our entire foundation. Although I do not believe he is a muslim. I believe him to be an Atheist. The rest of his feelings and policies don't line up with someone with any religious beliefs. He would be faaar more conservative if he was a muslim...IMO |
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Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States 09/28/2012 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to mention, Romney never wiped Larry Sinclair's butt with the constitution. Last Edited by Sleeping Giant on 09/28/2012 02:52 PM Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
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Resister User ID: 669410 United States 09/28/2012 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Mitt (and Ryan) would cut the budget. At least, as much as the executive branch can do that. See, Ronald Reagan submitted balanced budgets to congress every year he was in office, but Tip O'Neal never let one of them through. Reagan is blamed for the huge increase in the deficit, but that deficit was the result of his compromise with congress and even his own party, not his budgets because they were never even considered. To be fair, Obama’s budgets haven’t been used either, but at least they were voted on and voted down even by the super majority of democrats he enjoyed the first two years in office and Harry Reid hasn’t let any budget get through the Senate in three years. No matter who is elected, the Senate will have to change before the budgets really even has a change of getting any better. That said, my problem with Mitt is that he fundamentally does not have constitutional principles. He just doesn't. However much he might reduce spending or regulation it will not be in the name of the constitution's limitations on government's authority. Otherwise, he would never have allowed the state of MA to have government mandated and government run health insurance. He also would not have been proud to have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. He seems like a nice guy and all, but I would not trust him to change anything other than federal government’s the balance sheet and that is not the core problem we face today. We have abandoned our core principles. Everything else suffers from that and it is something I just don’t think he will change. Sadly, I don’t see anyone else who would that is running and has a credible chance of winning, so may wind up pushing the button for him anyway. I feel so ashamed that our nation has come down to this. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Mitt (and Ryan) would cut the budget. At least, as much as the executive branch can do that. See, Ronald Reagan submitted balanced budgets to congress every year he was in office, but Tip O'Neal never let one of them through. Reagan is blamed for the huge increase in the deficit, but that deficit was the result of his compromise with congress and even his own party, not his budgets because they were never even considered. To be fair, Obama’s budgets haven’t been used either, but at least they were voted on and voted down even by the super majority of democrats he enjoyed the first two years in office and Harry Reid hasn’t let any budget get through the Senate in three years. No matter who is elected, the Senate will have to change before the budgets really even has a change of getting any better. Quoting: Resister That said, my problem with Mitt is that he fundamentally does not have constitutional principles. He just doesn't. However much he might reduce spending or regulation it will not be in the name of the constitution's limitations on government's authority. Otherwise, he would never have allowed the state of MA to have government mandated and government run health insurance. He also would not have been proud to have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. He seems like a nice guy and all, but I would not trust him to change anything other than federal government’s the balance sheet and that is not the core problem we face today. We have abandoned our core principles. Everything else suffers from that and it is something I just don’t think he will change. Sadly, I don’t see anyone else who would that is running and has a credible chance of winning, so may wind up pushing the button for him anyway. I feel so ashamed that our nation has come down to this. Great points. We have had a huge decline in morals and principles. Which also was a huge factor in the fall of Rome also. |
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Factual Error User ID: 19116606 United States 09/28/2012 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's why I have been voting Libertarian since 1988, and will do so again this year. Gary Johnson 2012! Not intended to be a factual statement. |
*Heisenberg* (OP) User ID: 21948600 United States 09/28/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP notes the real problem here. We have, since the '70s, been given a choice between tax and spend Democrats, and borrow and spend Republicans. Neither party will stop the spending, they just pay for it differently. Quoting: Factual Error That's why I have been voting Libertarian since 1988, and will do so again this year. Gary Johnson 2012! Exactly! Well said sir. |
Debauchery User ID: 15455863 United States 09/29/2012 01:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :romwhoops: And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23356020 United States 10/05/2012 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think everyone know liberals drive me crazy. So there is really no need in discussing my skepticism of Obama. Quoting: *Heisenberg* As for Romney tho, Let's discuss him. Democrats always assume since I am anti Obama, that I am a Republican. Sometimes they throw it out as an insult. Try to label me something I am not. Well, here are my issues with Mittens. Maybe I am wrong about him, and maybe someone can shed some light on these problems I have with him. My problems with Romney are: 1)He will not shrink the overall size of government. 2)He will never make meaningful cuts to the budget. Maybe cuts in projected future spending(maybe) 3)Tax cuts without spending cuts, or without shrinking the government, combined with attacking Iran, will EXPLODE the debt as much as Obama has. Don't get me wrong, I am for tax cuts. For EVERYONE. But you must shrink the government also, or we will just borrow more to cover the difference. I just don't see Romney shrinking the government. I disagree with him on a few other things, but these are the important ones to me. Like I said, maybe I am wrong in these assumptions of Mitt. Chime in, let me know.. I have an open mind and can be persuaded.....sometimes. As for now, since I live in California and my vote isn't going to matter anyway, I think I am going to go with Gary Johnson..at least I would not feel like I sold out. But if I am wrong about my above concerns of Romney, maybe I will just cast a vote for Mittens. Said it perfectly man. Did you see the debates? Not one mention of the Federal Reserve. We owe them more dough than we own China. I don't trust any of the two puppets. |
cartographica User ID: 24521873 United States 10/05/2012 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My main problem with Romney (aside from the theology) is that he (and the rest of the predatory vulture capitalist class) *IS* the true face of the current economic disaster. When you get right down to the root cause, it ain't food stamps and helping grandma pay the nursing home bill that got the country in this humongous debt situation. It was "bailing out" the banks/corporate tax giveaways and the govt buying everything the M.I.C. decided it wanted to sell us - and the of course, the cost of using it so it could be claimed as "necessary" purchases. "Everything is related to everything else, but near things are more related than distant things" - Waldo Tobler, the first law of geography, 1970 |