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Catholicism is not Christianity this is why

 
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Catholicism is not Christianity this is why
Catholics call their priest father.

Jesus says.
Matthew 23
9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
They keep relics like the remains of ‘saints’ and worship them.

Jesus said
2 Kings 17:12
They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, “You shall not do this.”

The Catholics believe that you can receive forgiveness of sin by confusing to a priest and saying the Hail Mary prayer.

It is written
Acts 13:38
38 “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you

Mary did not die on the cross nor did the pries only Jesus can forgive sin.

Catholics pray to the saints and to Mary
Jesus Said
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


Catholic priests rape and molests little children

Jesus said
Mark 10:14
4 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word. The apostils was the first Christians and they were not Catholics.

Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ. Why do you call your priest Father when Jesus told you not to?
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The term, "father", is just a title - we don't think he's literally our father let alone out Heavenly one, God forbid.

Confession was born out of this verse :
"If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
John 20:23
However, we believe that confessing our sins privately to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit in prayer at any time, our sins are indeed forgiven. As a congregation, we ask God for forgiveness of our sins during the Mass.

Praying to Mary and the saints - I don't believe in doing that and I've been a Catholic my whole life.
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"
1 Timothy 2:5
However, it's common to ask a friend or family member to pray for us, so asking Mary and the saints is doing the same, so I never shun anyone who does this.
Besides, the Mass and foundation of our faith is solidly built around Jesus as it should be.

Not all Catholic priests do such pure evil things to children - far from it - only a tiny minority - and they need to be in jail - period.
All Christian faiths have had leaders in them who have done the same to children.
Beyond appalling, but comforting to know that the vast majority of church leaders in all Christian faiths are outstanding examples of what it means to be a Christian although not perfect - no one is except Jesus of course.

This is the Nicene Creed [ best version in my opinion ]
written in 325 AD and is said during all Masses, by all of the congregation aloud together - in all liturgical churches; Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox, etc.
And no, not one has a problem with the word, "catholic" in it - as it simply means, "universal".


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfilment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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Here's a thought: Both Christianity and Catholicism are bogus. Ever consider that idea?
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225

+100
and they are also the reason why christianity will g out of fashion just like egyptian sun worshipping religion went out
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Here's a thought: Both Christianity and Catholicism are bogus. Ever consider that idea?
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too much religion is dangerous because believing in one religion makes human beings fanatics and non tolerant
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A scientist will read dozens of books in his lifetime, but still believe that he has alot more to learn.

A religious person barely reads one book, and think that they know it all.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word. The apostils was the first Christians and they were not Catholics.

Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ. Why do you call your priest Father when Jesus told you not to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926


He, stupid. Why will you understand that we don't believe in your story book. Our old priests translated the book with the understanding of that time. Others sacred books are hidden in the Vatican. The books that they didn't want us to see. So your bible is full of lies and wrong translation. But you stupid still believe that it is the word of God. What a bunch of non educated peoples you are.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926


and you appear to be putting christ before God
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225



Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926


and you appear to be putting christ before God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8393721


John 10:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225



Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926


and you appear to be putting christ before God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8393721


John 10:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


then why all the attention on christ? Isn't God the dude your following???
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The term, "father", is just a title - we don't think he's literally our father let alone out Heavenly one, God forbid.

Confession was born out of this verse :
"If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
John 20:23
However, we believe that confessing our sins privately to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit in prayer at any time, our sins are indeed forgiven. As a congregation, we ask God for forgiveness of our sins during the Mass.

Praying to Mary and the saints - I don't believe in doing that and I've been a Catholic my whole life.
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"
1 Timothy 2:5
However, it's common to ask a friend or family member to pray for us, so asking Mary and the saints is doing the same, so I never shun anyone who does this.
Besides, the Mass and foundation of our faith is solidly built around Jesus as it should be.

Not all Catholic priests do such pure evil things to children - far from it - only a tiny minority - and they need to be in jail - period.
All Christian faiths have had leaders in them who have done the same to children.
Beyond appalling, but comforting to know that the vast majority of church leaders in all Christian faiths are outstanding examples of what it means to be a Christian although not perfect - no one is except Jesus of course.

This is the Nicene Creed [ best version in my opinion ]
written in 325 AD and is said during all Masses, by all of the congregation aloud together - in all liturgical churches; Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox, etc.
And no, not one has a problem with the word, "catholic" in it - as it simply means, "universal".


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfilment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

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In all of the above you are wrong.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225

+100
and they are also the reason why christianity will g out of fashion just like egyptian sun worshipping religion went out
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And on and on and on it goes end it never ends and it never stops and it never sleeps. It goes from strength to strength from power to power for all eternity and then for ever more. The glory of God the Father is not subject to the insignificant opinions of self absorbed Hell fuel like you.

But you will never grasp it for as long as you are one of the outsiders looking in.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word. The apostils was the first Christians and they were not Catholics.

Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ. Why do you call your priest Father when Jesus told you not to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926

Have you ever heard of the term history?
You should study the history surrounding the Bible it is fascinating.
Look up things like the unification of the church, how the Bible was originally assembled, What the crusades were, how the Protestant religions were started(you are a protestant even if you don't know it). Martin Luther, just look this stuff up it is fascinating and you might learn something about your religion.
Saying that Jesus is why you have the Bible is like saying a screwdriver is why you have a popular mechanics magazine.
True if it wasn't for a screwdriver popular mechanics would be a lot different but all the work that goes into popular mechanics is why you have popular mechanics. The writers, the editors, the advertisers who sponsor the magazine, the printer that prints the magazine.
Publication is publication and every publication has history, is the Bible important enough to you for you to research its history?
By the way you do know that Jesus did not write a single book of the Bible right?
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The Crucifix is idol worship. They put too much emphasis on his 'death', and have tried to cover up much of his life.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926


and you appear to be putting christ before God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8393721


John 10:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.
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Yep... :)

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Historical view:

Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Derp:

No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word.
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A scientist will read dozens of books in his lifetime, but still believe that he has alot more to learn.

A religious person barely reads one book, and think that they know it all.
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That one book we read was written by the manufacturer of all things. The books the scientists read are written by those who try to figure out the creation without reading the instructions so they hit and miss all the time.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word. The apostils was the first Christians and they were not Catholics.

Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ. Why do you call your priest Father when Jesus told you not to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926

Have you ever heard of the term history?
You should study the history surrounding the Bible it is fascinating.
Look up things like the unification of the church, how the Bible was originally assembled, What the crusades were, how the Protestant religions were started(you are a protestant even if you don't know it). Martin Luther, just look this stuff up it is fascinating and you might learn something about your religion.
Saying that Jesus is why you have the Bible is like saying a screwdriver is why you have a popular mechanics magazine.
True if it wasn't for a screwdriver popular mechanics would be a lot different but all the work that goes into popular mechanics is why you have popular mechanics. The writers, the editors, the advertisers who sponsor the magazine, the printer that prints the magazine.
Publication is publication and every publication has history, is the Bible important enough to you for you to research its history?
By the way you do know that Jesus did not write a single book of the Bible right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


This is so funny to see how much of those supposed christians don't know nothing about history. They are stick in a storybook they believe was wrote by God. Can't you imagine God sitting somewhere writing that book???? Not me. But I know that the Templar bring a lot of book from the crusade and the scholar translated them. They used what was good for them and they hidden the book they didn't want us the read. The bible is incomplete and translated by roman scholar from Greek and jewish. It is like me translated an english book in french. maybe some mistake will be added. So bibletard do some research. You will be surprise to see how the bible was wrote and why we don't use it as Catholic.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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Then who were the Romans killing and persecuting for hundreds of years before Constantine?

Read more about it.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word. The apostils was the first Christians and they were not Catholics.

Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ. Why do you call your priest Father when Jesus told you not to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926

Have you ever heard of the term history?
You should study the history surrounding the Bible it is fascinating.
Look up things like the unification of the church, how the Bible was originally assembled, What the crusades were, how the Protestant religions were started(you are a protestant even if you don't know it). Martin Luther, just look this stuff up it is fascinating and you might learn something about your religion.
Saying that Jesus is why you have the Bible is like saying a screwdriver is why you have a popular mechanics magazine.
True if it wasn't for a screwdriver popular mechanics would be a lot different but all the work that goes into popular mechanics is why you have popular mechanics. The writers, the editors, the advertisers who sponsor the magazine, the printer that prints the magazine.
Publication is publication and every publication has history, is the Bible important enough to you for you to research its history?
By the way you do know that Jesus did not write a single book of the Bible right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Have you ever just spokent and listened to God He is not dead no historey books needed talk to Him he is alive and listening. Then you will fined the truth.
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Historical view:

Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Derp:

No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926

 Quoting: Psych


The Nazarenes were the original Christians. The Roman Church hijacked the faith and corrupted it.

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"The Nazarene sect used in the Book of Acts clearly referred to both Jewish and Gentile followers of Jesus' Apostles ... they accepted the virgin birth of Jesus.

The Nazarenes were originally Jewish converts of the Apostles who fled Jerusalem because of Jesus' warning of its coming siege. They fled to Pella, Peraea (which is northeast of Jerusalem), and eventually spread outwards to Beroea and Bashanitis, where they permanently settled."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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Then who were the Romans killing and persecuting for hundreds of years before Constantine?

Read more about it.
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hf
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Christianity uses only the Bible. Thus Mormons who use the book of Mormons, and Catholics, who use the Apocrypha, and Pope' decreed Catechism, are not Christian.

Islam uses parts of the Bible. They are not Christian.

The Jewish faith uses parts of the Bible. They are not Christian.

Only Bible believers are Christian.

"For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him." (2 Cor.11:4)

"And Jesus answered and said to them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Mt.24:4)
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little research into a more supernatural take:

hf

My youtube links don't always work so I have compiled a list, most of which is on youtube:

1)John Todd--

[link to www.youtube.com]

a)former high-level witch and illuminati and converted Druid Priest. Says that they run the show, have more money than they know what to do with.
b)they will destroy economy or any company whenever they want--money no option. Rothchilds at top communing direct w lucifer.
c)Salem witch trials was actually one group of witches getting rid of another and Christians who were meeting to pray--Christians who pray obstruct the ability of witches to conjure and manipulate demons (see #2 below)
d)we can deduce that the persecution of cathars and the inquisitions and other witch burning pandemics may have had similar roots
ufos are demonic (even U.S. govt. w craft it could be argued, are simply occultists working wittingly or not to bring in “end times.”
e)interesting that William Bramley found historic ufo sightings before every major outbreak of the plague in middle ages AND hovering above the vatican.

2)Lucifer's Children

[link to www.youtube.com]

a)former Vietnam vet--compelling story about how satanists work and why he converted to Christ.


3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) another former satanist, he claims he was recruited to be a high priest with special abilities from a young age
b) lots of interesting aspects to above points
c) very "regular" type of guy--seems sincere.


4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher Joseph Jordan who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up.

a)The family showcased at the end have been repeatedly mentioned on A&E Channel without ever mentioning that they are now healed of the abusive abduction phenomenon that plagued them.

b) It seems likely that there are many ways we can open ourselves up to demonic energies, especially when we do not follow rules of the bible or know about the occult knowledge. The latter is not fool-proof as the wisest man in the bible, Solomon, fell prey to his own hubris and the tales of former satanists and witches, etc are quite telling and similar: Jesus Christ is the only way out.

c) the ways to open ourselves up to demonic are all consciousness-based, ultimately, but include films, tv, music, mind-altering substances (I say this as a person who loves herb, but have stopped smoking), etc... Herb is probably a medicine that even Terrance McKenna said was abused by most and should only be used once a week, ideally.

[link to vimeo.com]

d) some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...


5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically... [link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ

a) He was born into an illuminati family, was schooled by jesuits in special schools in Nepal and learned to meditate (open self to demonic energy), levitate and gain psychic abilities the illuminati and IBM specifically were planning to use him for bringing in the NWO and “end times.”
b) His story is very interesting, mirrors former satanists and exposes the New Age religions.
c) Again, Jesus Christ the only way out and he literally had to confront death when the order tried to get him back.
d) Great example of the spiritual rules that really exist and run things here.


6) Roger Morneau--great guy, amazing story! [link to www.youtube.com]

a) Maybe one of the best “former secret societies” stories and probably the oldest on video record.
b) He got involved in 1946 and had many supernatural experiences
they used fear to compel members to “initiate”
c) He gives great back-story to the luciferian plan and how old it really is.
d) more insight into New Age religion being a luciferian trap.
e) Explains the three basic classes of “fallen angels” and how they confuse and manipulate us.
f) escaped certain death through Jesus Christ.


7) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin. [link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w

a) there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite.
b) other researchers have uncovered that even the men involved in the original test were biased against the Shroud.
c) One of the men involved was found to have requested cloth from middle ages similar to the Shroud.
d) The other forensics on this are amazing and entertaining.



Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines,

a) born w special abilities
b) worked w "ascended masters" who she names
says it' all a luciferian desception
“spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings”
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


9) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related

a) Explains why and how hallucinogens are used by sorcerers who really run things, to access and manipulate demonic energy.
b) John Dee was the original 007--I thought this was cool!
c) All his vids are worth a look, though he has no apparent take on Jesus Christ.


10) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story...

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) was born with special abilities
b) was being groomed to take over position with famous shamanic healer in mexico
c) took part in many amazing healing sessions performing brain surgeries and other amazing feats
d) concluded that it was demonic energy healing people (see Roger Morneau for how this is possible)
e) was even fooled by false Christ (see Carolyn Hamlett) and finally determined the only way for someone like her to eliminate the demonic was to study and follow rules layed out in Bible.

11) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

[link to www.youtube.com]


13) Randall Baer's extensive New Age experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet

a) the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB, especially from scientific and arts culture.
b) unabomber to this day denies making bombs
c) unabomber took part in mind-control program at Harvard.
d) The interviews of famous intellectuals and artists who helped usher in the internet and the enslaving technocracy are funny and surprising.
e) shows that reality is what we make it, literally
f) God gives us a free-will and right now that is being manipulated by evil forces towards “end times.”

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

15) Jesuit Sorcerer history: [link to be] foreitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatic​an-connection-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-​2469282.html

a) Appears to be well-researched article on the pervasive control of the jesuit order and how the only force that has been successful against these dark sorcerers is Protestant, real Christ believers, with a Bible and a gun.
b) Personally, it seems to be too late for a gun, though I am not in any way for gun control, but people might be better served just with Jesus Christ and a Bible given the modern weapons available to tptb now.
c) Youtube for more on this: Ex Jesuit Alberto Rivera and others Speak on Jesuit infiltration
d) the above, plus John Todd, Jordan Maxwell, Carolyn Hamlett, etc, all say churches given bad rap buy infiltration and design to lead people away from Jesus Christ.


16) Professor Walter Veith on Supernatural and Evolution v. Creationism

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

a) Start with his testimony--supernatural conflict brings on new understanding...
b) see all his well-documented lectures on Evolution and how the vatican has an agenda to make Sunday the official NWO religious day of worship, soon to be mandated.


17) Ken Peters - Visions for End Times

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) buckle your seat belts for this one
b) very prophetic--hope it doesn't happen--we are responsible.


18)All of the Youtube vids from The Prophesy Club are very telling and thorough. The Jesus Christ followers seem to me to be the most well-researched, radical and sincere of all the info on the net.

19) Music Industry and Hollywood as satanic

a) aside from John Todd, we have a clear pattern on youtube of satanisms pervasive influence, the worst for me being clear signs that Bob Dylan and John Lennon sold their souls for fame. (see 60 minutes interview w Bob Dylan sold soul)

[link to www.youtube.com]

b) This rabbit hole sadly covers most of the industry and artists I used to love
I still listen to and watch certain art forms, but it is clear there is a problem and I now prefer classical music. :)

20) Caryl Matrisciana- Spiritual Warfare

[link to www.youtube.com]

all cultures around the world based on the reality of the supernatural
Aum as the void out of which the word of God created;
altruistic love of Jesus Christ different from other religions in India, specifically, where religion, more than in West, serve as a means of oppression of truth and spirit; caste system.
Eastern arts, yoga-->designed to waken the snake/commune w demon energy--> self-oriented.
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Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word. The apostils was the first Christians and they were not Catholics.

Your post is proving that you put Catholicism before Christ. Why do you call your priest Father when Jesus told you not to?
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He, stupid. Why will you understand that we don't believe in your story book. Our old priests translated the book with the understanding of that time. Others sacred books are hidden in the Vatican. The books that they didn't want us to see. So your bible is full of lies and wrong translation. But you stupid still believe that it is the word of God. What a bunch of non educated peoples you are.
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Hey stupid keep your books i have the Holy Spirit. You look for God in books While he is right there with you.
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And on and on and on it goes end it never ends and it never stops and it never sleeps. It goes from strength to strength from power to power for all eternity and then for ever more. The glory of God the Father is not subject to the insignificant opinions of self absorbed Hell fuel like you.

But you will never grasp it for as long as you are one of the outsiders looking in.
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Historical view:

Catholicism is the original Christianity, they are the reason you have the Bible in its current form, they are the reason Christianity is the most influential religion of the western world and they are the reason the Protestant religions exist.
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Derp:

No Jesus is the reason I have the bible and the Holy Spirit in me is the reason I have His word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24607926

 Quoting: Psych


The Nazarenes were the original Christians. The Roman Church hijacked the faith and corrupted it.

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"The Nazarene sect used in the Book of Acts clearly referred to both Jewish and Gentile followers of Jesus' Apostles ... they accepted the virgin birth of Jesus.

The Nazarenes were originally Jewish converts of the Apostles who fled Jerusalem because of Jesus' warning of its coming siege. They fled to Pella, Peraea (which is northeast of Jerusalem), and eventually spread outwards to Beroea and Bashanitis, where they permanently settled."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Jam 16665784


Yet, all Christian denominations use the canon as complied by the Council of Nicaea. It has been recompiled a number of times after that but nonetheless, the canon as compiled by the Council of Nicaea under Constantine s reign is still being used YTD.

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