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Thread started by someone from India. While good for sharing...70 percent?! Not likely.





Kinda ironic anyway. Also, will have to break it to you...
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This is true believe it or not I don't care.

I borrowed $17,000 in the late 80's thru the early 90's to get my degree. I've paid $38,000 on those loans and the feds want another $23,000.

I have records of every single monthly payment I made and even have my Senator looking into it. They can't tell us where the money went and lied to my Senator saying that I hadn't been making payments when we have proof I did.
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What the hell? I want to know more about this.
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I've been studying the higher education issue for some time now. It is a growing debt burden, but one that can be mitigated without denying good students aid.
There should be a balance between helping students earn degrees (which is generally positive for society) and looking after taxpayers' money. A loan, if repaid is no real burden on society.
Do we let poor students and poor universities crash the entire higher education system? No. We can fix the whole problem by solving two issues. First, for profit private universities must be denied federal money. When 1 in 4 students at those schools default that proves that said schools are not only wasting our money, but ruining lives, too. It ruins a students life when they go deeply in debt for a degree that everybody laughs at.
The second fix is to stop funding mediocre students. 1 in 4 college freshmen never make it to their sophomore year. Less than 1 in 3 students earn their bachelors within 6 years (these two groups represent a goodly portion of loan defaulters for obvious reasons). Currently a student need only maintain a C average to keep federal aid. A C average is lame; anybody should be able to do that in their sleep. Standards should be raised to a B average. Lets face it. In a society where jobs are ever harder to get which college grads will employers want? Will they be interested in the half of grads who boozed their way through school with mediocre grades, or will they want the ones who aced school?
Taking the two steps I've outlined should easily get default rates down to something like 5%, while saving money by denying loans to mediocre students, yet it will still give help to those most likely to earn their degrees and do something productive with them.
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I am a college professor, and I agree with your statement. Not every one is college material. In fact, most of our students have to go through remedial (learning support) courses before they even begin college level courses. They don't earn college credit for these courses, but have to pay the tuition. In my opinion, they would be better off getting a job.

Do you think the market place is accepting the online degree?
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The Next Subprime Crisis Is Here: Over $120 Billion In Federal Student Loans In Default
Whereas earlier today we presented one of the most exhaustive presentations on the state of the student debt bubble, one question that has always evaded greater scrutiny has been the very critical default rate for student borrowers: a number which few if any lenders and colleges openly disclose for fears the general public would comprehend not only the true extent of the student loan bubble, but that it has now burst. This is a question that we specifically posed a month ago when we asked "As HELOC delinquency rates hit a record, are student loans next?" Ironically in that same earlier post we showed a chart of default rates for federal loan borrowers that while rising was still not too troubling: as it turns out the reason why its was low is it
[link to www.zerohedge.com]
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they charge way to much to go to college ,the professors ,and others get way way to much money ,time to take deep pay cuts
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Believe me, college professors are not the ones with big salaries. We are asked to take on bigger classes, and bigger loads year by year. Honestly, I don't know where the money goes ... but I think it goes to students.
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The OWS protesters was a great eye opener as to the quality of education the youth are getting.
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The Next Subprime Crisis Is Here: Over $120 Billion In Federal Student Loans In Default
Whereas earlier today we presented one of the most exhaustive presentations on the state of the student debt bubble, one question that has always evaded greater scrutiny has been the very critical default rate for student borrowers: a number which few if any lenders and colleges openly disclose for fears the general public would comprehend not only the true extent of the student loan bubble, but that it has now burst. This is a question that we specifically posed a month ago when we asked "As HELOC delinquency rates hit a record, are student loans next?" Ironically in that same earlier post we showed a chart of default rates for federal loan borrowers that while rising was still not too troubling: as it turns out the reason why its was low is it
[link to www.zerohedge.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612324


they charge way to much to go to college ,the professors ,and others get way way to much money ,time to take deep pay cuts
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Believe me, college professors are not the ones with big salaries. We are asked to take on bigger classes, and bigger loads year by year. Honestly, I don't know where the money goes ... but I think it goes to students.
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It goes to students? I thought it went to the administrators and spending it on new and unnecessary buildings.
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Once dork implements martial law, retail will come to a standstill and a lot of college grads will be unemployed and unable to pay those loans back. LOL.... it's about to really get out of control......
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Promices, promices.

Them college kids allwayse have a job at the official retailer wal-mart and food joint chick-fillet.
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Tuition is wasted on frivolous stuff that really has nothing to do with education. Sports, administrator bonuses, expansion, sports scholarships, staff who have nothing to do with education. I mean come on. Most band members, cheerleaders, volleyball and soccer players get scholarships. Many are the mediocre students I've already described.

My own university, for example, just spent $50,000 on new astroturf for their football field, yet when I try to access scientific journals through our library I discover that dozens of prominent journals are not subscribed to.Annual subscriptions to a journal often cost less than $100. Serious students who are really on top of their fields spend more time in scholarly journals than they do in any library book, most especially grad students. My school has 11,000 students and is a top 3 university in my state. They should be subscribed to EVERY scholarly journal.

The only university employee directly involved in my education is getting screwed over. Professors spent a decade learning their fields. Many aren't that great at lecturing, but many others are absolute geniuses inside the classroom. They get paid a little more than an elementary school teacher. Often they spend years as adjunct professors who are hired by the semester as contract workers with no benefits or job security. They get paid a couple of grand per class. Add it up and these very smart and heavily indebted people earn little more than minimum wage.
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I get to get my student loans caught up. I will be paying about 50 a month on a income sensitive repayment plus about 100 for a private loan.

150 12 months over 25 years LOL

I don't think that will add up to 80k but I don't really care. I just want a low monthly. Actually calculations show it will be about 45000 paid back.
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Students should be aware of what degree they're getting and what they can do with it. Many degrees aren't at all good for getting good paying jobs. Art, journalism, and music degrees, as well as philosophy and religious studies, are all pretty bunk. Students shouldn't even be allowed to take out loans for such degrees.

Other degrees are worthless without a graduate degree. Sociology (with some exceptions), anthropology, geography (with some exceptions), history, psychology, and many others leave students unqualified to do anything in their fields. 80% of students who graduate in those programs will not qualify for graduate school because they are mediocre students.

Universities have been on a decades long expansion spree. All the federal money has allowed schools to greatly expand their enrollments. I see professors letting students slide by with passing grades because failing too many of your students will get you booted out the door. Universities are more interested in keeping those revenue streams than they are in culling sub-standard students. Higher education is progressively being replaced with higher revenue as the motivating factor.

School presidents are earning hundreds of thousands a year to effectively crash the entire higher education system.
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The Next Subprime Crisis Is Here: Over $120 Billion In Federal Student Loans In Default
Whereas earlier today we presented one of the most exhaustive presentations on the state of the student debt bubble, one question that has always evaded greater scrutiny has been the very critical default rate for student borrowers: a number which few if any lenders and colleges openly disclose for fears the general public would comprehend not only the true extent of the student loan bubble, but that it has now burst. This is a question that we specifically posed a month ago when we asked "As HELOC delinquency rates hit a record, are student loans next?" Ironically in that same earlier post we showed a chart of default rates for federal loan borrowers that while rising was still not too troubling: as it turns out the reason why its was low is it
[link to www.zerohedge.com]
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Good, over priced glittering palaces with high dollar rock star professors garnering fabulous benefits and pensions for basically teaching propaganda part time. They should be teaching out of trailers. Fuck um all.
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Tuition is wasted on frivolous stuff that really has nothing to do with education. Sports, administrator bonuses, expansion, sports scholarships, staff who have nothing to do with education. I mean come on. Most band members, cheerleaders, volleyball and soccer players get scholarships. Many are the mediocre students I've already described.

My own university, for example, just spent $50,000 on new astroturf for their football field, yet when I try to access scientific journals through our library I discover that dozens of prominent journals are not subscribed to.Annual subscriptions to a journal often cost less than $100. Serious students who are really on top of their fields spend more time in scholarly journals than they do in any library book, most especially grad students. My school has 11,000 students and is a top 3 university in my state. They should be subscribed to EVERY scholarly journal.

The only university employee directly involved in my education is getting screwed over. Professors spent a decade learning their fields. Many aren't that great at lecturing, but many others are absolute geniuses inside the classroom. They get paid a little more than an elementary school teacher. Often they spend years as adjunct professors who are hired by the semester as contract workers with no benefits or job security. They get paid a couple of grand per class. Add it up and these very smart and heavily indebted people earn little more than minimum wage.
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We'll meet some day at the Olive Garden. Make sure the bread rolls are warm.
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I am not buying into this. Most if not all colleges have made it through the 1889 depression, the 1929 depression through WWII. As well, made it thorough the Carter and Reagan of inflation and trickle down economics. I am not saying this is out of the realm of possibilities, however if this does happen, it will change America "snap" in an instant. Because these colleges, and universities have oodles of grants, funds, and contracts with its subsidiary state and federal governments.

Again not buying into it, what would the state and federal governments have to hang over the head of it's citizens without "blind faith" in the higher learning establishment?
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In response to those people hating on college graduates I'd like to say that this world would be screwed without them.

Those teachers who may not know much about politics spent a lot of their college education learning about how to teach young children. Basically, in my state a teacher takes their basic gen-ed classes and after that every single class is devoted to teaching youth. Many other degrees offer a much broader education than a teaching degree.

When you want to talk down to college grads you should differentiate between the 20%-30% who really needed to be there and those who boozed their way through counting on professors to give them a break with a C instead of a failing grade.

I'm a first year grad student (archaeology) and I can carry on an educated conversation about any subject under the sun. I double majored with two minors, graduated with departmental honors in both subjects with a 3.8 over all GPA, a 4.0 GPA in one major, and a 3.9 in the other. Infact, had it not been for a couple of damned art classes that I just couldn't take seriously, and a class taught by the worst professor alive today, I'd have a 4.0.
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Tuition is wasted on frivolous stuff that really has nothing to do with education. Sports, administrator bonuses, expansion, sports scholarships, staff who have nothing to do with education. I mean come on. Most band members, cheerleaders, volleyball and soccer players get scholarships. Many are the mediocre students I've already described.

My own university, for example, just spent $50,000 on new astroturf for their football field, yet when I try to access scientific journals through our library I discover that dozens of prominent journals are not subscribed to.Annual subscriptions to a journal often cost less than $100. Serious students who are really on top of their fields spend more time in scholarly journals than they do in any library book, most especially grad students. My school has 11,000 students and is a top 3 university in my state. They should be subscribed to EVERY scholarly journal.

The only university employee directly involved in my education is getting screwed over. Professors spent a decade learning their fields. Many aren't that great at lecturing, but many others are absolute geniuses inside the classroom. They get paid a little more than an elementary school teacher. Often they spend years as adjunct professors who are hired by the semester as contract workers with no benefits or job security. They get paid a couple of grand per class. Add it up and these very smart and heavily indebted people earn little more than minimum wage.
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We'll meet some day at the Olive Garden. Make sure the bread rolls are warm.
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I do think you are just jealous that you didn't get to go to college and make something of yourself. Let me guess...you own your own business right? Well then get your ass over here and mow my yard, or send one of your employees to do it Mr. Grassman. I'm too busy getting ready for my archaeology trip to the shores of the Bering sea this coming Summer.
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We'll meet some day at the Olive Garden. Make sure the bread rolls are warm.
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I do think you are just jealous that you didn't get to go to college and make something of yourself. Let me guess...you own your own business right? Well then get your ass over here and mow my yard, or send one of your employees to do it Mr. Grassman. I'm too busy getting ready for my archaeology trip to the shores of the Bering sea this coming Summer.
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Sonny I worked and went to school at night. Community college because of the price and then I got into my field and went to State University at night again but this time the company covered a lot of the cost. I wasn't some pansy ass that took out a loan. It took eight years altogether, but when I got my BSME I got a promotion and a raise normally given to someone that had years of experience, because I did have years of experience! That's right I went from senior design drafter to a grade 3 mechanical engineer you pathetic dummy. Serve those rolls warm boy!
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Most college grads can't even say "Do you want fries with that" without fucking it up.....Dumbasses
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That is not true.
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Agreed, my immense education and exuberant debt far beyond the average of students has made me your family doctor. So enjoy the care on your insurance or government welfare medicare/medicaid which refuses to pay me at my expense. I am denied for the majority of services I render to patients on a daily basis and those they do cover are monthly being slashed. It has put not just my family collateral (to secure loans for a practice and equipment), but my employees lively hoods at risk. (TRUE STORY)

However when the tap does dry up, I will be able to be a service for trade and barter, which is more than most students can say with their degrees.
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people like you are true doctors. but put your family first champ....help yourself before others. even if it breaks your heart...you can't fix the whole world! god bless
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Much appreciated Aussie cousin, we do what has to be done Chiropractic is a persecuted profession by the AMA. We do it because we know it works and it helps many people avoid pain meds, and useless surgery. It is a cheap service compared to the rest of the medical professions, but they dont see it as a bargain for insurance they see it as a light bringer profession which must be destroyed so patients have no choice but pills and the knife. I am have a balanced book 10 months in to my first practice, thats more than I can ask for. However I will be a starving artist for some time to come. I do what I can, people pay me what they can when they can, some avoid the issue and pay nothing use their insurance to cover little and assume that its ok to skip on the rest because "they pay a premium, so they dont have to pay me", luckily for them collections and magistrate court is an option. I always tell patients I dont care if you can only make 5 dollar payments, make them so I can continue taking care of them and their families. Open book, open practice, life long service, just drop a little jingle in the hat.yoda hard being a Jedi healer.
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We'll meet some day at the Olive Garden. Make sure the bread rolls are warm.
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I do think you are just jealous that you didn't get to go to college and make something of yourself. Let me guess...you own your own business right? Well then get your ass over here and mow my yard, or send one of your employees to do it Mr. Grassman. I'm too busy getting ready for my archaeology trip to the shores of the Bering sea this coming Summer.
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Sonny I worked and went to school at night. Community college because of the price and then I got into my field and went to State University at night again but this time the company covered a lot of the cost. I wasn't some pansy ass that took out a loan. It took eight years altogether, but when I got my BSME I got a promotion and a raise normally given to someone that had years of experience, because I did have years of experience! That's right I went from senior design drafter to a grade 3 mechanical engineer you pathetic dummy. Serve those rolls warm boy!
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I bet in person you're the guy that sits at the desk in the corner and never speaks; the guy who everybody in the office is kind of creeped out by. When you go to the water cooler do the women sort of scurry away? What else would explain your severely condescending attitude than feelings of inadequacy and impotence?
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We'll meet some day at the Olive Garden. Make sure the bread rolls are warm.
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I do think you are just jealous that you didn't get to go to college and make something of yourself. Let me guess...you own your own business right? Well then get your ass over here and mow my yard, or send one of your employees to do it Mr. Grassman. I'm too busy getting ready for my archaeology trip to the shores of the Bering sea this coming Summer.
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Sonny I worked and went to school at night. Community college because of the price and then I got into my field and went to State University at night again but this time the company covered a lot of the cost. I wasn't some pansy ass that took out a loan. It took eight years altogether, but when I got my BSME I got a promotion and a raise normally given to someone that had years of experience, because I did have years of experience! That's right I went from senior design drafter to a grade 3 mechanical engineer you pathetic dummy. Serve those rolls warm boy!
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I bet in person you're the guy that sits at the desk in the corner and never speaks; the guy who everybody in the office is kind of creeped out by. When you go to the water cooler do the women sort of scurry away? What else would explain your severely condescending attitude than feelings of inadequacy and impotence?
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Gee lil fella, looks like I hurt you're feeling. BTW, what are you going to do with an archeology degree? Man it will take a long time to pay off that student loan delivering Pizza Hut, tee hee.
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Believe me, college professors are not the ones with big salaries. We are asked to take on bigger classes, and bigger loads year by year. Honestly, I don't know where the money goes ... but I think it goes to students.
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In a word, it's because government is, as always, fucking up the otherwise free market:

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We'll meet some day at the Olive Garden. Make sure the bread rolls are warm.
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I do think you are just jealous that you didn't get to go to college and make something of yourself. Let me guess...you own your own business right? Well then get your ass over here and mow my yard, or send one of your employees to do it Mr. Grassman. I'm too busy getting ready for my archaeology trip to the shores of the Bering sea this coming Summer.
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Sonny I worked and went to school at night. Community college because of the price and then I got into my field and went to State University at night again but this time the company covered a lot of the cost. I wasn't some pansy ass that took out a loan. It took eight years altogether, but when I got my BSME I got a promotion and a raise normally given to someone that had years of experience, because I did have years of experience! That's right I went from senior design drafter to a grade 3 mechanical engineer you pathetic dummy. Serve those rolls warm boy!
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I bet in person you're the guy that sits at the desk in the corner and never speaks; the guy who everybody in the office is kind of creeped out by. When you go to the water cooler do the women sort of scurry away? What else would explain your severely condescending attitude than feelings of inadequacy and impotence?
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Jeezuz, you're the sort of asshole that perferctly presents the case for shutting down American universities.

You have no actual skills, and your vocation only exists because of government grants.
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Most college grads can't even say "Do you want fries with that" without fucking it up.....Dumbasses
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That is not true.
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It is true, sadly.

I have a GED, I've worked my way up in IT. I am surrounded my moron graduates. I am their boss.
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Thread started by someone from India. While good for sharing...70 percent?! Not likely.





Kinda ironic anyway. Also, will have to break it to you...
Enjoy your jobs in countries that boomed from job outsourcing. Enjoy your internet. It won't last forever.
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Very good point.
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lets see..your from india..aahh..snap I know why your say this crap..

u got turned down on your a1 visa..huh?

SLAM OR POST DISINFO..WELL WE NEED LINKS..PROOF..OR POOF!
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i never applied..i completed my degree from govt college in india,got a good job and happy.many of my students leave their high paying jobs and goto to do masters or phd in us..i tell them not to go but they wont listen...
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I've been studying the higher education issue for some time now. It is a growing debt burden, but one that can be mitigated without denying good students aid.
There should be a balance between helping students earn degrees (which is generally positive for society) and looking after taxpayers' money. A loan, if repaid is no real burden on society.
Do we let poor students and poor universities crash the entire higher education system? No. We can fix the whole problem by solving two issues. First, for profit private universities must be denied federal money. When 1 in 4 students at those schools default that proves that said schools are not only wasting our money, but ruining lives, too. It ruins a students life when they go deeply in debt for a degree that everybody laughs at.
The second fix is to stop funding mediocre students. 1 in 4 college freshmen never make it to their sophomore year. Less than 1 in 3 students earn their bachelors within 6 years (these two groups represent a goodly portion of loan defaulters for obvious reasons). Currently a student need only maintain a C average to keep federal aid. A C average is lame; anybody should be able to do that in their sleep. Standards should be raised to a B average. Lets face it. In a society where jobs are ever harder to get which college grads will employers want? Will they be interested in the half of grads who boozed their way through school with mediocre grades, or will they want the ones who aced school?
Taking the two steps I've outlined should easily get default rates down to something like 5%, while saving money by denying loans to mediocre students, yet it will still give help to those most likely to earn their degrees and do something productive with them.
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I am a college professor, and I agree with your statement. Not every one is college material. In fact, most of our students have to go through remedial (learning support) courses before they even begin college level courses. They don't earn college credit for these courses, but have to pay the tuition. In my opinion, they would be better off getting a job.

Do you think the market place is accepting the online degree?
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just 30 % of students have the potential...i know that because i observe my students too,prof
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Thread started by someone from India. While good for sharing...70 percent?! Not likely.





Kinda ironic anyway. Also, will have to break it to you...
Enjoy your jobs in countries that boomed from job outsourcing. Enjoy your internet. It won't last forever.
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Very good point.
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yawn..there is college bubble in india too...in fact our college bubble is bigger than USA...But your college bubble will hurt you more
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I am an employee of Oklahoma University and I can tell you that Pres. Boren owes a shit-ton to CORIX and rumor has it he won't be able to pay. University of CORIX? Have also heard other universities in nation subbing out their utilities/maintenance in a similar fashion. Can anyone confirm?
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Most college grads can't even say "Do you want fries with that" without fucking it up.....Dumbasses
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That is not true.
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It is true. I once had the task of sorting resumes for a small accounting firm. You would not believe the numbers of pubic accountants who had worked as mangers. What a pubic accountant does as a manger is something I did not need to know. Invariably they listed attention to detail as one of their greatest strengths. These were degreed accountants who had passed the CPA exam but they could not proof read their own resume.

A reporter asked Harvard's graduating electrical engineers to assemble a battery from its basic components. None could do so.

Present an American trained physician with the symptoms of dehydration and he won't ask if you drink water--just write a prescription or order lab tests.

I soke to a teaching paralegal who thought the ACLU was "for the poor and downtrodden". Another spoke of a client currently conducting business in Rhodesia.

My brother in law had a degree in architecture. He did not know basic structural engineering.he claimed architects do not need to know how to bulid a house that stands.

My high school English teacher did not know the difference between socialism and communism. We were reading Russian writers. It was somewhat relevant.

My sister went through her freshman philosophy course convinced Pre-Socrates was a man.

I was on the campus of a renowned private Jesuit college as Yugoslavia broke apart. Students had no idea what that was. I was on the campus of a decent state uni (good medical and engineering colleges) when all the Chinese students were using internet to communicate with their families. Undergraduates had no idea what that was.

A high school drop out who reads a daily paper and a couple of good news magazines is better educated than the typical college graduate. And a great deal less arrogant.

Fifteen years or so ago delivery drivers went on strike. Packages weren't delivered. The world ground to a halt. People howled. How dare they strike! Drivers made 25 dollars an hour. One young man called into a radio program to complain--he was an engineer and he couldn't find a job that paid $25/hour! I laughed and laughed and asked my 10 year old to figure out why. It took some time--I explained supply and demand--and he figured it out. That engineer could be earning $25/hour if he were willing to handle packages. But there he was, ignorant of the first principles of economics, but howling that his four year degree somehow made him more valuable and worth a higher wage than a guy whose job was so important if he didn't do it for 36 hours life as we knew it had ended.

I've seen teachers, in graduate school, rebel against having to study outside the classroom. They demanded to be spoonfed--to have the textbook read to them in class. They had an instructor fresh out of MIT and they wanted her to read a book to them. It was too hard to read the text after work and understand the lectures. They complained and complained. Educational opportunity is wasted on such people. And these were teachers!

What we need is to keep the best colleges and universities we have, for the brightest and most motivated students, and open cousewhere and extension programs for working people who want to study for career advancement or pleasure.

Unless a kid gets a full ride scholarship, or gets into the program of his choice at a really good school, he's better off in the military or going to work in a field where he can train on the job, and pick up certifications as he goes.

I think everyone should have a liberal arts education, but four year residential college isn't the best way to deliver it to most kids.
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same here man...very good post
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I am an employee of Oklahoma University and I can tell you that Pres. Boren owes a shit-ton to CORIX and rumor has it he won't be able to pay. University of CORIX? Have also heard other universities in nation subbing out their utilities/maintenance in a similar fashion. Can anyone confirm?
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what i know is scholarship amount being reduced and more foreign graduates are given admission
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10/03/2012 11:01 AM
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how come 12 years of education costs 50 k and then four more to allegedly be gainfull employed costs 80 thousand ? riddle me that one fuckos

i laugh at the bleating jock donkeys getting TBI on the football field

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