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BIBLE PROOF THAT NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE

 
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BIBLE PROOF THAT NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE
The messiah repeated this three times in this chapter,what is your problem false teachers?

john chapter 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day


45 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


2nd Esdras chapter 2

14 Take heaven and earth to witness; for I have broken the evil in pieces, and created the good: for I live, saith the Lord.

15 Mother, embrace thy children, and bring them up with gladness, make their feet as fast as a pillar: for I have chosen thee, saith the Lord.

16 And those that be dead will I raise up again from their places, and bring them out of the graves: for I have known my name in Israel


Young believers please study your bible and don't follow after these pagan gentile christian leaders who lead you astray.This is not an attack on you christians who been taught this in your churches but an attack on the satanic christian organization who promote their own agenda and brainwash the people


1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Matt 24:21 Mark 13:19

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

WHERE ARE THE DEAD COMING FROM? SOMEBODY READ IT AGAIN AND TELL ME!


And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

THANK YOU! ALL THESE FASLSE TEACHERS ON GLP READ THE BOOK AND STOP YOUR HERESIES


3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to o righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.



jkjkjjjUHFGGRTYUQAXS


1ST CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 15


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.



54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/05/2012 06:08 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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must be good to be the "nobody"yeahsure
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i say this all the time will these stupid bastards christians listen , or these fucking idiot american,s ...

there is no one in heaven or hell .... tell after judgement , and hell is just the second death burnt up ...

some will go to heaven but not many ... hardly any tbh ...
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there is only god and his soldiers at this time in heaven ...
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Ok great well then if you are so smart and so well informed on your bible , please tell me how to be immortal.

IF you would like to not die, i will show you the way to physical earthly immortality.
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Ok great well then if you are so smart and so well informed on your bible , please tell me how to be immortal.

IF you would like to not die, i will show you the way to physical earthly immortality.
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And yes its in the bible.
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Ok great well then if you are so smart and so well informed on your bible , please tell me how to be immortal.

IF you would like to not die, i will show you the way to physical earthly immortality.
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And yes its in the bible.
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AKA ;; BIBLE PROOF THAT HUMANS WEREN NOTMADE TO DIE.
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Yeh this belief is called Soul Sleep. Not sure if i actually believe it because ive heard some really good arguments against it.
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Young beleivers please study your bible and don't follow after these pagan gentile christian leaders who lead you astray.This is not an attack on you christians who been taught this in your churches but an attack on the satanic christian organization promote their own agenda and brainwash the people


1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Matt 24:21 Mark 13:19

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

WHERE ARE THE DEAD COMING FROM? SOMEBODY READ IT AGAIN AND TELL ME!


And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

THANK YOU! ALL THESE FASLSE TEACHERS ON GLP READ THE BOOK AND STOP YOUR HERESIES


3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to o righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.



:jkjkjjj::UHFGG::RTYU::QAXS:
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This needs more colored, underlined and bold text for emphasis, to really push the message down everyone's throat better.
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The dead are the dead in Christ.

The ones that died before Christ was born, that followed the father and believed the prophecy of the Soon!
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Yeh this belief is called Soul Sleep. Not sure if i actually believe it because ive heard some really good arguments against it.
 Quoting: Saltynoodle


Someone Else once posted here that the word "sheol" tanslated from hebrew to greek as hades.

Sheol actually means the place of sleep, where the dead go and of which it is also written that nobody there has remembrance even of God until Judgement.

EVERYBODY goes to the same place, good and evil. It is not so much of a place but more like a sleep, no dreams, no visions, no thought.
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Yeh this belief is called Soul Sleep. Not sure if i actually believe it because ive heard some really good arguments against it.
 Quoting: Saltynoodle


Someone Else once posted here that the word "sheol" tanslated from hebrew to greek as hades.

Sheol actually means the place of sleep, where the dead go and of which it is also written that nobody there has remembrance even of God until Judgement.

EVERYBODY goes to the same place, good and evil. It is not so much of a place but more like a sleep, no dreams, no visions, no thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24634789


This is paRtially true

There is a pLace of comfort and one of torment as meessiah taught in Luke CHP 16

THIS IS ALSO EVIDENT IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH THE BOOK OF ESDRAS
AND THE HISTORIAN JOSEPHUS

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.
"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:
"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.
'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31).

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 09/29/2012 01:52 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Yeh this belief is called Soul Sleep. Not sure if i actually believe it because ive heard some really good arguments against it.
 Quoting: Saltynoodle


Someone Else once posted here that the word "sheol" tanslated from hebrew to greek as hades.

Sheol actually means the place of sleep, where the dead go and of which it is also written that nobody there has remembrance even of God until Judgement.

EVERYBODY goes to the same place, good and evil. It is not so much of a place but more like a sleep, no dreams, no visions, no thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24634789


This is paRtially true

There is a pLace of comfort and one of torment as meessiah taught in Luke CHP 16

THIS IS ALSO EVIDENT IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH THE BOOK OF ESDRAS
AND THE HISTORIAN JOSEPHUS

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.
"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:
"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.
'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes Yes but He used a PARABLE, BIG difference,

Here is the thread

Thread: The the Difference between Sheol, Hades, and Gehennah...Prior to Christ, everyone went to SHEOL
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Yeh this belief is called Soul Sleep. Not sure if i actually believe it because ive heard some really good arguments against it.
 Quoting: Saltynoodle


Someone Else once posted here that the word "sheol" tanslated from hebrew to greek as hades.

Sheol actually means the place of sleep, where the dead go and of which it is also written that nobody there has remembrance even of God until Judgement.

EVERYBODY goes to the same place, good and evil. It is not so much of a place but more like a sleep, no dreams, no visions, no thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24634789


This is paRtially true

There is a pLace of comfort and one of torment as meessiah taught in Luke CHP 16

THIS IS ALSO EVIDENT IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH THE BOOK OF ESDRAS
AND THE HISTORIAN JOSEPHUS

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.
"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:
"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.
'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes Yes but He used a PARABLE, BIG difference,

Here is the thread

Thread: The the Difference between Sheol, Hades, and Gehennah...Prior to Christ, everyone went to SHEOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24636490


Its not just a parable it is what really is the book of Baruch ALSO GIVES AN ACCOUNT
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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i say this all the time will these stupid bastards christians listen , or these fucking idiot american,s ...

there is no one in heaven or hell .... tell after judgement , and hell is just the second death burnt up ...

some will go to heaven but not many ... hardly any tbh ...
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dont think that you are any different from an american just because you are from the UK.
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Ok great well then if you are so smart and so well informed on your bible , please tell me how to be immortal.

IF you would like to not die, i will show you the way to physical earthly immortality.
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51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Something to look forward to while you're sleeping in the ground? That' s not what I believe nor what the afterlife evidence shows. When you die there you are, still alive and conscious, in the afterlife. That's the the case for most, although there is some rest or periods of unconsciousness for those who need it to recover or adapt from a debilitating illness or difficulty.
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2nd Esdras chapter 2

14 Take heaven and earth to witness; for I have broken the evil in pieces, and created the good: for I live, saith the Lord.

15 Mother, embrace thy children, and bring them up with gladness, make their feet as fast as a pillar: for I have chosen thee, saith the Lord.

16 And those that be dead will I raise up again from their places, and bring them out of the graves: for I have known my name in Israel


Young believers please study your bible and don't follow after these pagan gentile christian leaders who lead you astray.This is not an attack on you christians who been taught this in your churches but an attack on the satanic christian organization who promote their own agenda and brainwash the people


1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Matt 24:21 Mark 13:19

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

WHERE ARE THE DEAD COMING FROM? SOMEBODY READ IT AGAIN AND TELL ME!


And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

THANK YOU! ALL THESE FASLSE TEACHERS ON GLP READ THE BOOK AND STOP YOUR HERESIES


3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to o righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.



jkjkjjjUHFGGRTYUQAXS


1ST CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 15


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.



54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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But hey if youre sick about a game you can even go by the server house.
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You can argue this either way, you know the famous verse about being absent from your body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor 5:8), but I do not see the point because it is not like believing one or the other is going to matter.


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Esdras is NOT Bible.
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Of course there's proof in the bible that no one goes to heaven. The bible is a book written by jewish freemasons specifically designed to get you into hell by saying the wrong answer when you die when Christ asks you "who do you say that I am?" You must say God my maker. Where does it say Christ is God in the bible? Absolutely no where. The knowledge that Christ is God only comes from Our Lady's rosary.
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You can argue this either way, you know the famous verse about being absent from your body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor 5:8), but I do not see the point because it is not like believing one or the other is going to matter.


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We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord


Paul is talking here about believers who will die and eventually be with the most high after the resurrection. Believers will be present with the Lord

That is the cheap theology been taught "to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord"

"PRESENT WITH THE LORD AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS DEAD"
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Esdras is NOT Bible.
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Because your catholic fathers of christianity removed it My old bible still have these books.You SHOULD TRY GETTING ONE
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I get that the Bible doesn't come out and say it, that the mysteries of existence are held in parables, and not just the parables recorded as Jesus's words in the Bible, but all throughout the Bible, but is nit picking little details about how things happen when you die, before Christ's return really necessary?

While I do agree that telling a young child that their loved one is 'in Heaven now' after they died isn't really any different than saying santa clause came down the chimney or a hopping mammal layed plastic eggs filled with candy for them to find, but making points and doing all sorts of hunting out such details as this just to call names and stir stuff up isn't any more necessary than what you're 'calling them out' on.

Why not spend more time researching and posting about how the Bible compliments itself between the old and new Testaments and mesh together to back up it's supernatural backing and orchestrating, instead of telling people, of mortal limited logic, how wrong they are about details that really don't matter in the grand scheme of the whole point of it all.
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10/04/2012 10:50 AM
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I for one am very thankful that Jesus Christ The ANOINTED ONE IS our final Judge and not a mere mortal who thinks he knows Gods' will for me and you!
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10/04/2012 11:05 AM
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Implications for Soul Sleep

A few Christian groups teach a doctrine known as "soul sleep." Essentially, the doctrine holds that at death the soul "sleeps" and is not conscious until the resurrection. Indeed, there are a number of times when "sleep" is used as a euphemism for death.14 But three passages make it quite clear that the soul is not unconscious until the resurrection:


"Today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43)

"We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8)

"I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far." (Philippians 1:23)

[link to www.jesuswalk.com]

When Christ was suffering on the cross:

One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: 'Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!' 40 But the other criminal rebuked him. 'Don't you fear God,' he said, 'since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.' 42 Then he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.' 43 Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.'" (Luke 23:39-43)
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10/04/2012 11:12 AM
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So it wasn't Heaven?
What was Jesus talking about?
He must be delusional. He didn't take his meds. He needs to be confined to a hospital and drugged into a zombie, so he can't spread his mental illnesses.
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10/04/2012 11:28 AM
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Matt 27:50-54 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.”

1 Cor 15:20-23: “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

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