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Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico

 
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Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico
"When a journalist for Univision asked President Obama last week why he hasn’t fired Attorney General Eric Holder over the “Fast and Furious” gun walking fiasco, the reporter, it turns out, had an inside scoop that added urgency to the question.

At 7 p.m. on Sunday, Univision says it’ll air a blockbuster investigation detailing the impact of the deeply flawed gunrunning investigation, which operated between Oct. 2009 and January 2011.

The Spanish-language channel says the “Aqui y Ahora” program will expose the true deadly toll of a covert program where US officials allowed over 2,000 high-powered rifles to “walk” into the hands of violent Mexican cartels. Expecting American interest, Univision will caption the program in English.

In the US, “Fast and Furious” is most noted for its ties to the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and for political fallout over the extent of involvement of the Obama administration, including Attorney General Holder. But in Mexico, the program may reignite furor over how a US government that had promised to try to halt the border gun traffic instead covertly contributed to it."

[link to www.csmonitor.com]

did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked.
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univision, doing the work americans refuse to do.
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Re: Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico
I clicked on a thread about univision and saw no hot chicks :-[
So dissapoint
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univision, doing the work american news networks refuse to do.
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I clicked on a thread about univision and saw no hot chicks :-[
So dissapoint
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lol, sorry about that.
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univision, doing the work american news networks refuse to do.
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i appreciate the correction and ashamed i didn't write that myself. hiding
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Re: Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico
Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point?
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The only weapons to ever enter Mexico
entered via Fast and Furious.
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Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386


It is an offshoot of of the DEA tracking
drug shipments from source to destination.
At the heart of the operations that were
forerunners to fast and furious was some
guy who started out as a DEA agent and said
in a meeting, "Hey, I've got an idea. In the
DEA we used to . . . ."
But drugs allowed to reach their destination
do not have serial numbers and don't directly
kill US law enforcement officers.
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Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point?
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It is an offshoot of of the DEA tracking
drug shipments from source to destination.
At the heart of the operations that were
forerunners to fast and furious was some
guy who started out as a DEA agent and said
in a meeting, "Hey, I've got an idea. In the
DEA we used to . . . ."
But drugs allowed to reach their destination
do not have serial numbers and don't directly
kill US law enforcement officers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24621694


So what's the point of tracking guns from source to destination?
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Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386


Americanos thought that guns were going to a warehouse where drug delears had their offices or homes and could be arrested !!
Too naive or stupid !!

cruise1doh1gangupwalllosercrazyanother dosherlock
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Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point?
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Americanos thought that guns were going to a warehouse where drug delears had their offices or homes and could be arrested !!
Too naive or stupid !!

cruise1doh1gangupwalllosercrazyanother dosherlock
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19315397


it is much more sinister than that, compadre.
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Re: Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico
Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386


what i think the original plan was to have some high murder-count incidents where american guns would be found at the scene and then mexico could lodge a formal complaint that your drug cartels are obtaining too many american weapons too easily.

it would give the democraps another reason to grab more guns here on this side of the border under the guise that there are too many guns falling into the hands of criminals. but like everything else this admin does this was done ass backwards too.
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By the mere fact we are guessing the logic of passing guns to criminals is suspicious. Where is the press to answer these questions? Isnt the easiest explanation that they are supporting the cartels, or one cartel over another? It's ridiculous: I'll give you guns so I can bust you with them later. Absurd!
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By the mere fact we are guessing the logic of passing guns to criminals is suspicious. Where is the press to answer these questions? Isnt the easiest explanation that they are supporting the cartels, or one cartel over another? It's ridiculous: I'll give you guns so I can bust you with them later. Absurd!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386


I agree. They had a deal with one of the 5 major cartels to let them have the guns and drugs and let them ship all product to the US in exchange for information on the other cartels.

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Re: Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico
"When a journalist for Univision asked President Obama last week why he hasn’t fired Attorney General Eric Holder over the “Fast and Furious” gun walking fiasco, the reporter, it turns out, had an inside scoop that added urgency to the question.

At 7 p.m. on Sunday, Univision says it’ll air a blockbuster investigation detailing the impact of the deeply flawed gunrunning investigation, which operated between Oct. 2009 and January 2011.

The Spanish-language channel says the “Aqui y Ahora” program will expose the true deadly toll of a covert program where US officials allowed over 2,000 high-powered rifles to “walk” into the hands of violent Mexican cartels. Expecting American interest, Univision will caption the program in English.

In the US, “Fast and Furious” is most noted for its ties to the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and for political fallout over the extent of involvement of the Obama administration, including Attorney General Holder. But in Mexico, the program may reignite furor over how a US government that had promised to try to halt the border gun traffic instead covertly contributed to it."

[link to www.csmonitor.com]

did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked.
 Quoting: davvi


Do you have a link to that interview? Would love to see it.
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"When a journalist for Univision asked President Obama last week why he hasn’t fired Attorney General Eric Holder over the “Fast and Furious” gun walking fiasco, the reporter, it turns out, had an inside scoop that added urgency to the question.

At 7 p.m. on Sunday, Univision says it’ll air a blockbuster investigation detailing the impact of the deeply flawed gunrunning investigation, which operated between Oct. 2009 and January 2011.

The Spanish-language channel says the “Aqui y Ahora” program will expose the true deadly toll of a covert program where US officials allowed over 2,000 high-powered rifles to “walk” into the hands of violent Mexican cartels. Expecting American interest, Univision will caption the program in English.

In the US, “Fast and Furious” is most noted for its ties to the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and for political fallout over the extent of involvement of the Obama administration, including Attorney General Holder. But in Mexico, the program may reignite furor over how a US government that had promised to try to halt the border gun traffic instead covertly contributed to it."

[link to www.csmonitor.com]

did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked.
 Quoting: davvi


Do you have a link to that interview? Would love to see it.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


I found this to be helpful picking out the best parts and assisting in finding more:

[link to askmarion.wordpress.com]
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thanks for the pin and stars. banana2
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F and F is the flower of the idiocy that is the
obama presidency.

My husband has been following it for many, many months
in disbelief.

Thanks for sharing this.
Now is the time.
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I'm watching it right know...very interesting stuff. Looks like Obama did have a hand in this and knew about the operation. This things going to blow this shit up!
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So where/when can we watch this?
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It's on right now.
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Evil shit. I realize shit like this goes on and understand sometimes police and intelligence agencies need to 'track' people and things in order to gather information, but obviously many people were hurt or killed by Fast and Furious, as many have been damaged and killed by drugs that have been allowed into the country.
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i can't find it in english, but if you have direct tv, go to the closed caption and select service 3.
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[link to www.sfgate.com]
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Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers:

[link to ufreetv.com]

There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it.
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Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers:

[link to ufreetv.com]

There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it.
 Quoting: Present and Aware


I can't find it either, but try this,

[link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
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did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked.


That's because all the amewican politicians are fucking actors reading their pitiful fucking scripts. They don't know what to do when tghe truth slaps them in their stupid fucking faces.
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Seems Mexico actually has journalist and America has only shills.
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Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers:

[link to ufreetv.com]

There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it.
 Quoting: Present and Aware


I can't find it either, but try this,

[link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
 Quoting: davvi


Apparently, someone doesn't want us linking to that site.
"Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
Senator Robert F. Kennedy, June 6 1966 (South Africa address)
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Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers:

[link to ufreetv.com]

There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it.
 Quoting: Present and Aware


I can't find it either, but try this,

[link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
 Quoting: davvi


Apparently, someone doesn't want us linking to that site.
 Quoting: Present and Aware


i wonder why not? i thought is was just a google translation of the show?
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