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Univision: The untold story of what 'Fast and Furious' wrought in Mexico | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24621694 United States09/29/2012 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386 It is an offshoot of of the DEA tracking drug shipments from source to destination. At the heart of the operations that were forerunners to fast and furious was some guy who started out as a DEA agent and said in a meeting, "Hey, I've got an idea. In the DEA we used to . . . ." But drugs allowed to reach their destination do not have serial numbers and don't directly kill US law enforcement officers. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24642386 Mexico09/29/2012 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386 It is an offshoot of of the DEA tracking drug shipments from source to destination. At the heart of the operations that were forerunners to fast and furious was some guy who started out as a DEA agent and said in a meeting, "Hey, I've got an idea. In the DEA we used to . . . ." But drugs allowed to reach their destination do not have serial numbers and don't directly kill US law enforcement officers. So what's the point of tracking guns from source to destination? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19315397 Mexico09/29/2012 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386 Americanos thought that guns were going to a warehouse where drug delears had their offices or homes and could be arrested !! Too naive or stupid !!         |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24642386 Mexico09/30/2012 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386 Americanos thought that guns were going to a warehouse where drug delears had their offices or homes and could be arrested !! Too naive or stupid !! it is much more sinister than that, compadre. |
| davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States09/30/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone explain the logic of giving guns to the cartels? To be able to "trace them"? So they sell them to the cartels, they are used in a crime, the Mx authorities battle with them and capture the guns. What's the point? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386 what i think the original plan was to have some high murder-count incidents where american guns would be found at the scene and then mexico could lodge a formal complaint that your drug cartels are obtaining too many american weapons too easily. it would give the democraps another reason to grab more guns here on this side of the border under the guise that there are too many guns falling into the hands of criminals. but like everything else this admin does this was done ass backwards too. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24642386 Mexico09/30/2012 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the mere fact we are guessing the logic of passing guns to criminals is suspicious. Where is the press to answer these questions? Isnt the easiest explanation that they are supporting the cartels, or one cartel over another? It's ridiculous: I'll give you guns so I can bust you with them later. Absurd! |
| Herman The Kid User ID: 16577681 United States09/30/2012 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the mere fact we are guessing the logic of passing guns to criminals is suspicious. Where is the press to answer these questions? Isnt the easiest explanation that they are supporting the cartels, or one cartel over another? It's ridiculous: I'll give you guns so I can bust you with them later. Absurd! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24642386 I agree. They had a deal with one of the 5 major cartels to let them have the guns and drugs and let them ship all product to the US in exchange for information on the other cartels. [link to narcosphere.narconews.com] You m-m-m-muh-make me HAAA-PEEE. Psalm 34:14 - Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. |
| SaveUSa User ID: 20038946 United States09/30/2012 05:12 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When a journalist for Univision asked President Obama last week why he hasn’t fired Attorney General Eric Holder over the “Fast and Furious” gun walking fiasco, the reporter, it turns out, had an inside scoop that added urgency to the question. Quoting: davvi At 7 p.m. on Sunday, Univision says it’ll air a blockbuster investigation detailing the impact of the deeply flawed gunrunning investigation, which operated between Oct. 2009 and January 2011. The Spanish-language channel says the “Aqui y Ahora” program will expose the true deadly toll of a covert program where US officials allowed over 2,000 high-powered rifles to “walk” into the hands of violent Mexican cartels. Expecting American interest, Univision will caption the program in English. In the US, “Fast and Furious” is most noted for its ties to the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and for political fallout over the extent of involvement of the Obama administration, including Attorney General Holder. But in Mexico, the program may reignite furor over how a US government that had promised to try to halt the border gun traffic instead covertly contributed to it." [link to www.csmonitor.com] did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked. Do you have a link to that interview? Would love to see it. Within the surreal depths of "reality" lies the truth. |
| davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States09/30/2012 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When a journalist for Univision asked President Obama last week why he hasn’t fired Attorney General Eric Holder over the “Fast and Furious” gun walking fiasco, the reporter, it turns out, had an inside scoop that added urgency to the question. Quoting: davvi At 7 p.m. on Sunday, Univision says it’ll air a blockbuster investigation detailing the impact of the deeply flawed gunrunning investigation, which operated between Oct. 2009 and January 2011. The Spanish-language channel says the “Aqui y Ahora” program will expose the true deadly toll of a covert program where US officials allowed over 2,000 high-powered rifles to “walk” into the hands of violent Mexican cartels. Expecting American interest, Univision will caption the program in English. In the US, “Fast and Furious” is most noted for its ties to the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and for political fallout over the extent of involvement of the Obama administration, including Attorney General Holder. But in Mexico, the program may reignite furor over how a US government that had promised to try to halt the border gun traffic instead covertly contributed to it." [link to www.csmonitor.com] did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked. Do you have a link to that interview? Would love to see it. I found this to be helpful picking out the best parts and assisting in finding more: [link to askmarion.wordpress.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24463056 United States09/30/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evil shit. I realize shit like this goes on and understand sometimes police and intelligence agencies need to 'track' people and things in order to gather information, but obviously many people were hurt or killed by Fast and Furious, as many have been damaged and killed by drugs that have been allowed into the country. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6139196 United States09/30/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to ufreetv.com] There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it. |
| davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States09/30/2012 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers: Quoting: Present and Aware [link to ufreetv.com] There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it. I can't find it either, but try this, [link to DON'T_USE-THIS] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24716283 United States09/30/2012 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | did anyone watch the interview with 'bummer and actual real journalists from mexico? i have to admit it was the very first time i have ever respected a journalist. 'bummy looked shell shocked. That's because all the amewican politicians are fucking actors reading their pitiful fucking scripts. They don't know what to do when tghe truth slaps them in their stupid fucking faces. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6139196 United States09/30/2012 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers: Quoting: Present and Aware [link to ufreetv.com] There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it. I can't find it either, but try this, [link to DON'T_USE-THIS] Apparently, someone doesn't want us linking to that site. |
| davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States09/30/2012 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Univision live online now for Spanish-speakers: Quoting: Present and Aware [link to ufreetv.com] There was supposed to be a closed-caption version for English viewers, but I can't find it. Please post if you find it. I can't find it either, but try this, [link to DON'T_USE-THIS] Apparently, someone doesn't want us linking to that site. i wonder why not? i thought is was just a google translation of the show? |
