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Secession! Lakota Sioux Nation Leaves The Union!

 
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"These are not legitimate tribal governments elected by the people ... when they begin the process of violating other people's rights, breaking the law, they're going to end up like all the other groups that have declared themselves independent — usually getting arrested and being put in jail."

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Native American tribes within the USA are already technically sovereign nations, receiving foreign aid from the U.S. under the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
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Lakota Nation declared its sovereignty back in 2007 already. I guess they're doing it again since no one paid attention the first time.
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I grew up on a ranch in Nevada, about a mile from a Paiute Indian Reservation and I'm not so sure secession is going to work. Although American Indians tend to be a proud people, they've lost their self reliance and have to depend on government checks to make ends meet. Yeah, I know there are some casinos, pencil companies, timber companies, tobacco companies etc that are Indian owned but I don't thing that's going to sustain them. Charging outsiders for land & natural resource use isn't going to be enough either. The mindset of dependency would have to change.

Don't misunderstand me, I fully support what they're trying to do but secession would mean ending Federal & State dollars flowing into their coffers - assuming the Fed's would ever allow it in the first place.

The old days and the old ways are gone forever. It was a good way but it ended with the culling of the buffalo and the building of the railroad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16269683


Not to disagree but Means is well aware of the negatives. From what I remember he has in mind something different from the old ways.
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What do you think his true aim is then? More Federal money or something else?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16269683


Means ran for president on the Libertarian ticket. From reading an article in Liberty magazine years ago. I think what he has in mind is a free country open to people who agree to the non aggression principle. I'm sure people will laugh and scoff at the idea.

But I think a country like that wouldn't be poor very long.
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How...


(get it?)
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Check this out, North American seperatist/secession movements, i knew this stuff would start, we got some issues here at home:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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ya think?
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Native American tribes within the USA are already technically sovereign nations, receiving foreign aid from the U.S. under the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
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if this is true why can our cops fbi what have you go on their land?
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"These are not legitimate tribal governments elected by the people ... when they begin the process of violating other people's rights, breaking the law, they're going to end up like all the other groups that have declared themselves independent — usually getting arrested and being put in jail."

I sense fail coming sooner, rather than later.
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yea well i am going to ask the creator to give them stealth and speed
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Cool - can the rest of us split up?

We can have the homo nation, the libertard nation and the white nation and the non-white nation.
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although i would have respect for such a move, it will NEVER happen due to the fact of tribal dependency on Federal money.

perhaps 5% of the lakota would totally commit to seccession, the other 95% would not. The problem comes in when the elderly, etc need the Fed money ...and if the Lakota secede, who would provide for the needs of the tribe?

won't happen, can't happen., ...

just like the states...can't won't...they are two interdependent on the FED.
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I wonder if John Titor said anything about this.
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How can I get a citizenship from them?
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Gotta have 1/64 Injun in ya.
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Now that sure would enlarge the tribal numbers in a hurry.
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How can I get a citizenship from them?
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Gotta have 1/64 Injun in ya.
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Now that sure would enlarge the tribal numbers in a hurry.
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Is there any hot indian woman searching for a middle aged chinese chef? I can cook and treat woman right.
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Better go to war with these anti-semetic scalpers. They consider Jewish bankers to be evil. Get over it. Not our fault the weak little english rejects murdered you. We NEVER paid them to kill you, and Jewish lenders offered you reasonable interest rates. Enjoy being the next palestine, you ungrateful swine!
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fuck you hebe....we were living closer to the creator long before you fucks ruined it for the rest of humanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24570412


You were pantheistic savages, worshiping the CREATURE, and NOT the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24202972


You don't know crap! The Great spirit, The Great white Father, to name a few.
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Hmm.. somehow it seems like the feds ain't going to let this last very long.
SHIT! I'm one state away. Good luck to them, hope the feds don't "Ruby Ridge" them.
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Exactly what came to mind along with the Waco Siege.

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. . . we can do like the J e ws do with Israel, get dual citizenship. I would certainly join up, and still beable to keep my Social Security check . . . after all, every week, 15% of my check went into Social Security, so i should beable to keep it.
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How can I get a citizenship from them?
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^ This ^
 Quoting: The Governor


If you're serious Google Dawes rolls or Five Civilized Tribes.

Most tribal leaders won't accept census information. If you have a Native American ancestor, you probably know something about them. Name, tribe, reservation, place of birth, etc. Search the list for your relative.

If you can't find it on the Dawes or FCT, find what tribe your ancestor was and check their rolls.

Once you have all the information....ancestor's full name, presence on any Indian rolls, and exact relationship to you, then you contact the tribal enrollment office.

Tribal rules vary but most tribes require 1/4 blood quantum but as said, it varies. Eastern Cherokee requires only 1/16, while the Cherokee Nation has no minimum quantum as long as you can prove descent.

Blood quantum=One full blooded grandparent gives 1/4 blood quantum. Two half blooded grandparents give 1/4 blood quantum.

To apply for tribal membership you'd need a CDIB, Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood listing your blood quantum. It's issued by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
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I grew up on a ranch in Nevada, about a mile from a Paiute Indian Reservation and I'm not so sure secession is going to work. Although American Indians tend to be a proud people, they've lost their self reliance and have to depend on government checks to make ends meet. Yeah, I know there are some casinos, pencil companies, timber companies, tobacco companies etc that are Indian owned but I don't thing that's going to sustain them. Charging outsiders for land & natural resource use isn't going to be enough either. The mindset of dependency would have to change.

Don't misunderstand me, I fully support what they're trying to do but secession would mean ending Federal & State dollars flowing into their coffers - assuming the Fed's would ever allow it in the first place.

The old days and the old ways are gone forever. It was a good way but it ended with the culling of the buffalo and the building of the railroad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16269683


Not to disagree but Means is well aware of the negatives. From what I remember he has in mind something different from the old ways.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


What do you think his true aim is then? More Federal money or something else?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16269683


Means ran for president on the Libertarian ticket. From reading an article in Liberty magazine years ago. I think what he has in mind is a free country open to people who agree to the non aggression principle. I'm sure people will laugh and scoff at the idea.

But I think a country like that wouldn't be poor very long.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Agree.
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Better go to war with these anti-semetic scalpers. They consider Jewish bankers to be evil. Get over it. Not our fault the weak little english rejects murdered you. We NEVER paid them to kill you, and Jewish lenders offered you reasonable interest rates. Enjoy being the next palestine, you ungrateful swine!
 Quoting: American jew 1253997


fuck you hebe....we were living closer to the creator long before you fucks ruined it for the rest of humanity.
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You were pantheistic savages, worshiping the CREATURE, and NOT the creator.
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You need to read a bit more.
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Spent my whole entire life reading. Spent 12 years teaching history and archaeology, and 10 years in major market talk radio.

Do you even know what pantheism is? The "native" American's God was the creation, where God consists of rocks, trees, and everything found in nature. The literally worshiped nature as "God".

I stand by my original statement. And would like to add an additional one.

You need to stop drinking koolaid.
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Just send in a few trucks loaded with booze. Those drunk injuns will forget all about succession!
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How can I get a citizenship from them?
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Gotta have 1/64 Injun in ya.
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i guess i'll join them im 1/4
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I hope they succeed.

This might be the start of a new and good movement.

Would the rest of us non- American Indians be better off with them leading?
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Better go to war with these anti-semetic scalpers. They consider Jewish bankers to be evil. Get over it. Not our fault the weak little english rejects murdered you. We NEVER paid them to kill you, and Jewish lenders offered you reasonable interest rates. Enjoy being the next palestine, you ungrateful swine!
 Quoting: American jew 1253997


fuck you hebe....we were living closer to the creator long before you fucks ruined it for the rest of humanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24570412


You were pantheistic savages, worshiping the CREATURE, and NOT the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24202972


Nah...I think you got it backwards. You're WORSHIPING the CREATURE...not the creator. Otherwise, we'd still have a country worth a damn.

You got a president that's screwing up the nation, promoting all sorts of sick and disturbing policies, and you have the NERVE to claim that someone else's religion and way of life in incorrect?

This is now the nation of the anti-christ...and you're worshiping its God.
 Quoting: Serenity777




Not sure where or how you are coming up with ANY of your conclusions, but one thing is for certain... You are one truly delusional whackjob.


"You got a president that's screwing up the nation, promoting all sorts of sick and disturbing policies"

You call this putrid maggot MY president? Hell, I was warning people about what this Marxist turd was going to do LONG before he was elected.

Sounds like you've got a LOT of misdirected anger going on there, Einstein.


"You're WORSHIPING the CREATURE...not the creator. Otherwise"


LOL! How'd you come up with THAT? How on earth could you possibly concoct an asinine theory like that, based on what I've said?


"This is now the nation of the anti-christ...and you're worshiping its God."

Who (or what) exactly do you think I am "worshiping"? How are you coming up with this ridiculous tripe? I'll tell you how... You are simply pulling it out of your ass, as do all people who have no real substance or argument.
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"President Barack Obama has an unexpected foreign policy problem – in the Western United States. The Lakota Sioux nation has seceded from the United States, according to a story on the anti-American website La Voz de Aztlan.

“We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,” long-time Native American radical leader Russell Means said. The move potentially impacts the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming."

[link to cnsnews.com]

Good for them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20078501


Love it! All states need to secede.
 Quoting: Jericho9


^^^^^^
This +1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1313288



First of all, we don't KNOW this is a fact.

Secondly, if you think ANY states (not NA "nations," but actual states) are going to secede, think again. There is NO WAY ANY state (corporation) is going to break off from the mothership (corporation). There are many reasons for this, the #1 being that they receive FEDERAL FUNDS that they are NOT going to give up.
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Native American tribes within the USA are already technically sovereign nations, receiving foreign aid from the U.S. under the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster



True, but... That last bit is most important! They not only are receiving aid, but the feds are still largely telling them what to do (as they always have). That "sovereign" status is actually quite LIMITED. It's like a GUISE of sovereignty but isn't ACTUAL sovereignty.
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Better go to war with these anti-semetic scalpers. They consider Jewish bankers to be evil. Get over it. Not our fault the weak little english rejects murdered you. We NEVER paid them to kill you, and Jewish lenders offered you reasonable interest rates. Enjoy being the next palestine, you ungrateful swine!
 Quoting: American jew 1253997


fuck you hebe....we were living closer to the creator long before you fucks ruined it for the rest of humanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24570412


You were pantheistic savages, worshiping the CREATURE, and NOT the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24202972


You don't know crap! The Great spirit, The Great white Father, to name a few.
 Quoting: Daughter




I obviously know a lot more than you do, sawdust-fer-brains. Ya know, every time I see one of your posts, I always marvel at how so much stupid, could inside one person.

Do you even KNOW what the "native" Americans believed the Great Spirit to consist of?

Let me give you a small clue.

EVERYTHING.

The "native" Americans believed that God was nature and nature was God. They believed that God consisted of all that is.



Do yourself a quick favor, you little rocket scientist you, and Google the words Native American Pantheists.

Case closed.
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if i succeed will they quit chargen me taxes?
i have spray paint if that helps.
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fuck you hebe....we were living closer to the creator long before you fucks ruined it for the rest of humanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24570412


You were pantheistic savages, worshiping the CREATURE, and NOT the creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24202972


You don't know crap! The Great spirit, The Great white Father, to name a few.
 Quoting: Daughter




I obviously know a lot more than you do, sawdust-fer-brains. Ya know, every time I see one of your posts, I always marvel at how so much stupid, could inside one person.

Do you even KNOW what the "native" Americans believed the Great Spirit to consist of?

Let me give you a small clue.

EVERYTHING.

The "native" Americans believed that God was nature and nature was God. They believed that God consisted of all that is.



Do yourself a quick favor, you little rocket scientist you, and Google the words Native American Pantheists.

Case closed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24202972




...could fit inside one person ^^^

Typo correction for the rocket scientist. Don't want to confuse her.
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hmmm since china owns the whole country ,wonder who would care if i just take a cpl 100 acres n then succeed.

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