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# I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.

GreyMatter

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09/30/2012 09:26 PM

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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
I didn't see anyone do the math. So I'll do it.
I have 6 in my family and will base it where i live.

I go lowest income level because employers lie when it comes to overtime..its either a short 6 month burst of it and then back to regular hours in my 35 years of experience so we will go with MY numbers 12 an hour 40 hours a week.
12x40=480.00
480x4=1920.00
1920x12=23,040
with all the withholding's it calculates for my family to be 441.40 bring home each week.
so in reality with no overtime it is 21,187.20

Per Month
Rent for my family would be 600.00
Gas would be 35.00 a week x 4=140.00 if job was 15 miles from my house.
Electricity is 140.00
Water 80.00
sewage 20.00 ( yeah i pay sewage)
insurance is 80.00 for car.
Food each week would be minimum 80.00
Heat (propane) 100.00 a month.
phone 100.00
garbage 12.00
Total is \$1,352.00 on average per month.

1765.60-1352.00=413.60

So \$413.60 is what you would have left over every month.
Lucky guy would have about 100.00 a week left over.
Doable but just above poverty for a family wage.

I would not want to live on that shit unless i was single.
Quoting: farmer general 19557762

You forgot beer, baindaids and smokes.

And to the guy complaining that a 12 dollar an hour job isn't enough to provide for a family... no fucking shit, idiot. Maybe you shouldn't have had kids if the only thing you can do is unskilled labor.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22721310

I despise fwads like this. What happened to respect and dignity for the working class man that just wants to go to work everyday and take care of his or others needs?? According to your fucked up mode of thinking the working class man is a low life nitwit peice of shit not deserving or worthy of a loving family and a place in society?? I need not say more.

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09/30/2012 09:29 PM
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
I didn't see anyone do the math. So I'll do it.
I have 6 in my family and will base it where i live.

I go lowest income level because employers lie when it comes to overtime..its either a short 6 month burst of it and then back to regular hours in my 35 years of experience so we will go with MY numbers 12 an hour 40 hours a week.
12x40=480.00
480x4=1920.00
1920x12=23,040
with all the withholding's it calculates for my family to be 441.40 bring home each week.
so in reality with no overtime it is 21,187.20

Per Month
Rent for my family would be 600.00
Gas would be 35.00 a week x 4=140.00 if job was 15 miles from my house.
Electricity is 140.00
Water 80.00
sewage 20.00 ( yeah i pay sewage)
insurance is 80.00 for car.
Food each week would be minimum 80.00
Heat (propane) 100.00 a month.
phone 100.00
garbage 12.00
Total is \$1,352.00 on average per month.

1765.60-1352.00=413.60

Your value to me in my business, is what YOU bring as far as value. Not your bills.

So \$413.60 is what you would have left over every month.
Lucky guy would have about 100.00 a week left over.
Doable but just above poverty for a family wage.

I would not want to live on that shit unless i was single.
Quoting: farmer general 19557762

You forgot beer, baindaids and smokes.

And to the guy complaining that a 12 dollar an hour job isn't enough to provide for a family... no fucking shit, idiot. Maybe you shouldn't have had kids if the only thing you can do is unskilled labor.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22721310

I despise fwads like this. What happened to respect and dignity for the working class man that just wants to go to work everyday and take care of his or others needs?? According to your fucked up mode of thinking the working class man is a low life nitwit peice of shit not deserving or worthy of a loving family and a place in society?? I need not say more.
Quoting: GreyMatter

Your value, as is mine, is what we can offer as value to our customer. I would fail demanding a sale, as you would demanding your place in society. The average consumer cares about 1 thing. How much does it cost, and what do I get for my money.

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GreyMatter

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09/30/2012 10:39 PM

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Sales can be demanded and procured to the dismay of the unfortunate or even the fortunate, and wether any one agrees or not we all have a place in society for whatever we may be labeled.

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09/30/2012 10:52 PM

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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
\$12.00 hr vs Unemployment, Welfare check, Food Stamps Card, and you don't have to get up in the morning?

Living off the state may look like a better career.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 212949

50 hr. week = \$660. for a shovel operator.

drop that to 560 right out of the gate for taxes at 15%

29,120 year....
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24631080

I'd be happy making twenty thousand a year!
GreyMatter

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09/30/2012 10:56 PM

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I'd try it.
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09/30/2012 11:44 PM
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Where in Texas? I live in Dallas. You said that is a starting rate, do you need exp. or is it an entry position???
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09/30/2012 11:55 PM
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
\$12 an hour. Lets say they keep 70%. That's less than \$1400 net each month.

So you get to live in a shitty apartment and stay home every night.

Quit comparing the wage to some fantasy that you have about life.

I'm not saying \$12 is a bad wage, but its not great.

Do you need skills? Are you sure no one applied or did the HR people tell you that? Sometimes HR will say that cause no one they want ou to hire applied or they're interviewing for another job.

Just sayin'
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9106140

First off, \$12. is the starting wage. With in a year it could go to \$20.

It is a starting position for a shovel operator.

It amazes me that people bitch about no jobs, then turn their noses at a decent, respectable offering.

I guess it's easier sucking the Govt. teat.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17487177

My point exactly.

Over half of these scumbags on here do not understand the meaning of building a business. When I started mine there were weeks my employees took home more than I did. Those employees are still with me for the most part. I'm disappointed at most of the replies to the OP.
GreyMatter

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10/01/2012 12:17 AM

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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
There has been numerous threads on GLP where someone would say they have a job offering or need help then they bitch about and acuse people of being lazy fucking titsuckers. Soon as people start calling their bluff and ask for the job they dissapear.
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10/01/2012 01:45 AM

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Why does the OP keep coming to GLP, posting threads about what an incompetent businessman/manager he is?

If you can't find employees, try offering more money, stupid.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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10/01/2012 02:15 AM
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It all depends on what the top makes...
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10/01/2012 10:10 AM
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10/01/2012 10:25 AM
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There has been numerous threads on GLP where someone would say they have a job offering or need help then they bitch about and acuse people of being lazy fucking titsuckers. Soon as people start calling their bluff and ask for the job they dissapear.
Quoting: GreyMatter

Don't forget about the "feel good" patrol - those who like to back up the OP with the whole "a job is a job, you slackers wanna smoke dope all day, blah blah." It's like, it makes them feel better dismissing others and self-righteously considering themselves hard working superiors.

Of course, if any of them were unemployed, I don't think any of them would decline unemployment.
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10/01/2012 10:43 AM

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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
Has the actual listing been posted? I don't want to wade through a thousand responses to find out.

If no-one is responding, then perhaps the ad is phrased poorly, the pay is too low for the training needed that area, or there are other work requirements that turn people off.

Is this another one of those postings where the person has to have several years of job experience, have a college degree, be bilingual, and have a perfect driving record and credit score? I've seen job postings like this for minimum wage jobs locally, but usually because they need an excuse to lie and claim that they can't find an American to do the job.

How many hours are available? \$12 is good for some people, but not if it's 3 hours a day.

What are others in the area, who are hiring for the same category of work, hiring for? If your next door neighbor is hiring for #13 an hour, for the same job, then there is no way that you will get an employee for \$12.

Are you an evil boss or do you have a bad working environment? There are some people who like to treat their employees as disposable and are horrible to work for and with. When someone quits or is fired, they tell all their friends and family all the issues with the company. Pretty soon everyone in the community hates your business, because you care more about being a jerk than a business owner.
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10/01/2012 11:58 AM

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I don't understand why some people expect the employer to start an employee at whatever they figure is a -fair- wage. First, 'fair' is subjective. Second, starting high doesn't leave somewhere to go with raises and good performance.

I start people w/o experience at \$13-14/hour. Basically an oil changer on stationary machinery. As the tech progresses beyond oil changing, the raises come. The most experienced here takes home over \$100K per year and anyone here has that available to them after they put in some time and effort.

Not bad for a job where you can learn as you go. But I can't start someone changing oil at \$20/hr. The contracts cannot sustain that (the slower turn around of low experience & higher cost of labor) and show any profit.

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10/01/2012 12:04 PM
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I don't understand why some people expect the employer to start an employee at whatever they figure is a -fair- wage. First, 'fair' is subjective. Second, starting high doesn't leave somewhere to go with raises and good performance.

I start people w/o experience at \$13-14/hour. Basically an oil changer on stationary machinery. As the tech progresses beyond oil changing, the raises come. The most experienced here takes home over \$100K per year and anyone here has that available to them after they put in some time and effort.

Not bad for a job where you can learn as you go. But I can't start someone changing oil at \$20/hr. The contracts cannot sustain that (the slower turn around of low experience & higher cost of labor) and show any profit.

Quoting: Maguyver

How does one get hired by you?
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10/01/2012 12:06 PM
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The Company I work for has been trying to hire about 18 people for the last 6 months.....we are getting 1 or 2 a month..starting pay \$12 which goes to \$14+ and benefits after 60 days.... nobody wants to work
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10/01/2012 12:09 PM

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Why did you tell me to guess, then answer your own question before I got a chance to? Maybe communication and an understanding of the language are a real problem for you.
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Just like trolling is your real problem, grow up...

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10/01/2012 12:20 PM
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
You can't pay your bills working 2 junky jobs, if you have a house and even 1 child you can't.
Quoting: ExpertOfSound

Yes you can. I pay my bills with ONE "junky" job. I don't have an LED TV or pay for cable, I don't dine out regularly, or buy unnecessary shit that I don't need. I accept that I can't afford it. Most of the world cannot afford these things, most Americans are just spoiled and refuse to lower their standard of living..

Why would you have bought a house if you have a junky job anyway? That person made a poor decision if they bought a house without a stable career. Same with having a child. It may sound harsh, but you're pretty much a moron if you knowingly decide to have a kid without substantial financial support or the skills needed to get you that support.
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10/01/2012 12:21 PM
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
Has the actual listing been posted? I don't want to wade through a thousand responses to find out.

If no-one is responding, then perhaps the ad is phrased poorly, the pay is too low for the training needed that area, or there are other work requirements that turn people off.

Is this another one of those postings where the person has to have several years of job experience, have a college degree, be bilingual, and have a perfect driving record and credit score? I've seen job postings like this for minimum wage jobs locally, but usually because they need an excuse to lie and claim that they can't find an American to do the job.

How many hours are available? \$12 is good for some people, but not if it's 3 hours a day.

What are others in the area, who are hiring for the same category of work, hiring for? If your next door neighbor is hiring for #13 an hour, for the same job, then there is no way that you will get an employee for \$12.

Are you an evil boss or do you have a bad working environment? There are some people who like to treat their employees as disposable and are horrible to work for and with. When someone quits or is fired, they tell all their friends and family all the issues with the company. Pretty soon everyone in the community hates your business, because you care more about being a jerk than a business owner.
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You shills and haters can quit now.^^^
This is all the talkin that is necessary.
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10/01/2012 12:27 PM
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
Lazy people don't work. They got all the excuses period. I would rather work my ass off for 20 \$ then to have to make the government feed my family cause I don't care about work unless I can get rich or the best pay ever. Lazy assholes. Should make welfare a system where u need to put in volunteer hrs to receive money! Then you would appreciate. 12\$ an hr.
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
Lazy people don't work. They got all the excuses period. I would rather work my ass off for 20 \$ then to have to make the government feed my family cause I don't care about work unless I can get rich or the best pay ever. Lazy assholes. Should make welfare a system where u need to put in volunteer hrs to receive money! Then you would appreciate. 12\$ an hr.
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10/01/2012 12:29 PM
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Should make welfare a system where u need to put in volunteer hrs to receive money!
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I actually like that idea.

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10/01/2012 12:40 PM
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I posted a job paying similar wages a couple of weeks ago and received just under 200 resumes.

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10/01/2012 01:32 PM

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I don't understand why some people expect the employer to start an employee at whatever they figure is a -fair- wage. First, 'fair' is subjective. Second, starting high doesn't leave somewhere to go with raises and good performance.

I start people w/o experience at \$13-14/hour. Basically an oil changer on stationary machinery. As the tech progresses beyond oil changing, the raises come. The most experienced here takes home over \$100K per year and anyone here has that available to them after they put in some time and effort.

Not bad for a job where you can learn as you go. But I can't start someone changing oil at \$20/hr. The contracts cannot sustain that (the slower turn around of low experience & higher cost of labor) and show any profit.

Quoting: Maguyver

How does one get hired by you?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403018

Well, first, they have to show up with a resume, dressed the part, and speak well. Wait...that's probably not what you are asking.

We have VERY little turnover. Why, you ask? Because I reward good work with good pay. The starting pay for none experienced help is just that: Starting. Show an aptitude for our type of work and a desire to do more than entry level stuff, and that person will be at \$20 within a year with all the vested beni's. Learn the business and get into sales, and then one can get into the 1%er's money.

Last Edited by Maguyver on 10/01/2012 01:34 PM
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10/01/2012 01:50 PM

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The Company I work for has been trying to hire about 18 people for the last 6 months.....we are getting 1 or 2 a month..starting pay \$12 which goes to \$14+ and benefits after 60 days.... nobody wants to work
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 651330

More details?

Location? Type of work? etc.

I just found out that I didn't get a job that I interviewed for last week. Reason? The yes/no assessment test results declared I wasn't a good fit for the position. I wasted 1/4 of a tank of gas, and 3 hours for the interview...which went well. Then I get home, take their online test and get nixed because I didn't answer things right? Just ignore my 20+ years of experience in the field - and go by a terrible test that doesn't allow that real life decisions are rarely yes/no but rely on many factors. The real world is gray - not black and white.

So if anyone has an office job in NE Ohio? I'm reaching the point of desperate need!
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I don't understand why some people expect the employer to start an employee at whatever they figure is a -fair- wage. First, 'fair' is subjective. Second, starting high doesn't leave somewhere to go with raises and good performance.

I start people w/o experience at \$13-14/hour. Basically an oil changer on stationary machinery. As the tech progresses beyond oil changing, the raises come. The most experienced here takes home over \$100K per year and anyone here has that available to them after they put in some time and effort.

Not bad for a job where you can learn as you go. But I can't start someone changing oil at \$20/hr. The contracts cannot sustain that (the slower turn around of low experience & higher cost of labor) and show any profit.

Quoting: Maguyver

How does one get hired by you?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403018

Well, first, they have to show up with a resume, dressed the part, and speak well. Wait...that's probably not what you are asking.

We have VERY little turnover. Why, you ask? Because I reward good work with good pay. The starting pay for none experienced help is just that: Starting. Show an aptitude for our type of work and a desire to do more than entry level stuff, and that person will be at \$20 within a year with all the vested beni's. Learn the business and get into sales, and then one can get into the 1%er's money.

Quoting: Maguyver

What kind of business is this? To get a job like this, should I go through a staffing agency? Knock on doors at an industrial park?
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Re: I have a job posting w/ the Texas Work Force Commission starting @ \$12. an hr. Guess how applications I have gotten.
I don't understand why some people expect the employer to start an employee at whatever they figure is a -fair- wage. First, 'fair' is subjective. Second, starting high doesn't leave somewhere to go with raises and good performance.

I start people w/o experience at \$13-14/hour. Basically an oil changer on stationary machinery. As the tech progresses beyond oil changing, the raises come. The most experienced here takes home over \$100K per year and anyone here has that available to them after they put in some time and effort.

Not bad for a job where you can learn as you go. But I can't start someone changing oil at \$20/hr. The contracts cannot sustain that (the slower turn around of low experience & higher cost of labor) and show any profit.

Quoting: Maguyver

How does one get hired by you?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403018

Well, first, they have to show up with a resume, dressed the part, and speak well. Wait...that's probably not what you are asking.

We have VERY little turnover. Why, you ask? Because I reward good work with good pay. The starting pay for none experienced help is just that: Starting. Show an aptitude for our type of work and a desire to do more than entry level stuff, and that person will be at \$20 within a year with all the vested beni's. Learn the business and get into sales, and then one can get into the 1%er's money.

Quoting: Maguyver

What kind of business is this? To get a job like this, should I go through a staffing agency? Knock on doors at an industrial park?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403018

Industrial generator service. Hit up your local Cat, Cummins/Onan, Kohler, and MTU distrubutors. A good tech is hard to come by and turn over in the industry is very low for that reason. Keep at them until they have an opening. Good luck!

Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional.

Do or do not. There is no try.

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