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Big U.S. Fleet Nears Disputed Islands, But What For?

 
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September 30, 20127\
TOKYO – It’s probably just a coincidence; no need to worry yet. But the U.S. has quietly assembled a powerful air, land and sea armada not far from where Japan and China are squaring off over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

Two Navy aircraft carrier battle groups and a Marine Corps air-ground task force have begun operating in the Western Pacific, within easy reach of the Senkaku Islands. That’s where Japanese and Chinese patrol boats are engaged in an increasingly tense standoff.

Chinese vessels have repeatedly entered territorial waters around the small islands in recent weeks and Coast Guard vessels from Japan and Taiwan fired water cannons at each other last week. The islands are controlled and administered by Japan, but claimed by both China and Taiwan.

Carrier groups and Marine task forces often operate alone, so the convergence of the three groups in a relatively small part of the Pacific represents an unusual concentration of firepower. All three are fresh from training exercises in and around Guam. Those exercises included live-fire with missiles and joint beach landings by U.S. Marines and Japanese ground troops.

Read more: [link to nation.time.com]
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Thread: Fandango! Cook up a big pot of DOOM STEW... we are going to need it next week!
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Ruh Roh !
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Good news... we need to go over there and hose all of these dogs down before they screw each other... literally.
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
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Preppig the stage for when shtf!
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.
 Quoting: Fred 24397363


I have been promoting this idea for a looong time.

If one nations leaders have beef with another nations leaders, have them fight it out one on one in a bare-fisted, no-holds-barred duel of choice. Though it does twitch my "Fall of the roman empire" sense, the worldwide problem, is that it is worldwide. Petty bickering and schoolyard insults carried out by unwitting servants while the instigators watch from the safety of their livingrooms.

It truly is a microcosm concern taking macrocosm form.
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+5 and a pin for yah op
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
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Japan has no navy... no military. The USA guarantees their protection. As much as I would enjoy a good cage fight, it would not be Japan in the cage with China.

We need to end this before it starts... if someone does something stupid and this blws... it will be the USA vs. China with Japan in the middle.
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my Chinese friend says 10 years before China goes to war.
Not ready yet
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We, The US are allies with Japan and Taiwan, Could be intersting

Taiwan is a Republic of China!

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my Chinese friend says 10 years before China goes to war.
Not ready yet
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Yeah not gonna happen this year.
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US military owns one of the three islands. If the islands are lost the Okinawa reversion treaty is broken!
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
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WELL SAID> My goodness, take out some billboards and plaster them with this, so true!
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When a few japanese suddenly landed and planted a flag on one of those islands, I knew instantly this was more scripted u.s. BS to distract china.

Not complicated.
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
 Quoting: Fred 24397363


Japan has no navy... no military. The USA guarantees their protection. As much as I would enjoy a good cage fight, it would not be Japan in the cage with China.

We need to end this before it starts... if someone does something stupid and this blws... it will be the USA vs. China with Japan in the middle.
 Quoting: TraderRob


Gee that would never happen with Obama in charge. He's monitoring the situation, and their diplomatic skills are second to none!

I feel perfectly safe!


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Games Without Frontiers.
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I got 50 cents says the US fleet is there for target practice -- and the Chinese will oblige by sinking every one of those ships in less than one hour.
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September 30, 20127\
TOKYO – It’s probably just a coincidence; no need to worry yet. But the U.S. has quietly assembled a powerful air, land and sea armada not far from where Japan and China are squaring off over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

Two Navy aircraft carrier battle groups and a Marine Corps air-ground task force have begun operating in the Western Pacific, within easy reach of the Senkaku Islands. That’s where Japanese and Chinese patrol boats are engaged in an increasingly tense standoff.

Chinese vessels have repeatedly entered territorial waters around the small islands in recent weeks and Coast Guard vessels from Japan and Taiwan fired water cannons at each other last week. The islands are controlled and administered by Japan, but claimed by both China and Taiwan.

Carrier groups and Marine task forces often operate alone, so the convergence of the three groups in a relatively small part of the Pacific represents an unusual concentration of firepower. All three are fresh from training exercises in and around Guam. Those exercises included live-fire with missiles and joint beach landings by U.S. Marines and Japanese ground troops.

Read more: [link to nation.time.com]
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If you ask me this incident seems contrived for some unknown reason. It is a cover for something else. It is true that China and Japan have hard feelings over WW2 and the Raping of Nanking. However, Japan and China do a lot of trade with one another. In fact, they used this entire incident to explain away Toyota's bad numbers and 60% decrease in sales to China and it had only just occurred a week before.

Perhaps the Mariana trench is getting ready to cave in so the U.S. Fleet had to evacuate. Who the hell knows?
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
 Quoting: Fred 24397363


Japan has no navy... no military. The USA guarantees their protection. As much as I would enjoy a good cage fight, it would not be Japan in the cage with China.

We need to end this before it starts... if someone does something stupid and this blws... it will be the USA vs. China with Japan in the middle.
 Quoting: TraderRob

Japan has a huge military. How effective it is would be another discussion. Its constitution restricts it to being a "Self Defence Force" but don't be misled to thinking Japan has no army.
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Games Without Frontiers.
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When a few japanese suddenly landed and planted a flag on one of those islands, I knew instantly this was more scripted u.s. BS to distract china.

Not complicated.
 Quoting: DawaSatso


I have a suspicion that all the Nations pretty much except for perhaps Syria and Iran are all on the same page and cooperating big time but it is all masked by charades and contrived incidents like these.

The reason being we are all in for some huge COSMIC EVENT!!! and we will be the last to know. TPTB have known for years and have been preparing for as long. The time is near.
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Classic !!
U.S is always looking for trouble : Vietnam,Korea,Iraq, etc !!

whatever
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
 Quoting: Fred 24397363


Japan has no navy... no military. The USA guarantees their protection. As much as I would enjoy a good cage fight, it would not be Japan in the cage with China.

We need to end this before it starts... if someone does something stupid and this blws... it will be the USA vs. China with Japan in the middle.
 Quoting: TraderRob


Sorry but this is just wrong. Japan absolutely has a military but they are called a security force. The difference is they don't have offensive capabilities like bombers and ICBM's. The US is stil required to render assistance though if they are attacked.
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.
None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.
Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
 Quoting: Fred 24397363

Japan has no navy... no military. The USA guarantees their protection. As much as I would enjoy a good cage fight, it would not be Japan in the cage with China.
We need to end this before it starts... if someone does something stupid and this blws... it will be the USA vs. China with Japan in the middle.
 Quoting: TraderRob

Gee that would never happen with Obama in charge. He's monitoring the situation, and their diplomatic skills are second to none!

I feel perfectly safe!
NOT
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cruise I believe your statement stood well on its own but the "NOT" was kind of awesome in an old school way and used appropriately.
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Having the U.S. as a buffer between China and Japan virtually assures there will be no war.

No worries...

The real doom you are looking for will be here soon enough.
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Lovely, we really need to stay out of this idiotic dispute. Give the leaders of Japan and China a cage to fight it out in, last man standing gets to claim the islands. Meanwhile make it pay per view and pay off some of the debt.

None of our boys need to die over this ego filled "face saving" crotch grabbing nonsense.

Now if only China would impose export sanctions... We'd see full employment damn fast as American workers jobs got rapidly unoffshored.
 Quoting: Fred 24397363


Japan has no navy... no military. The USA guarantees their protection. As much as I would enjoy a good cage fight, it would not be Japan in the cage with China.

We need to end this before it starts... if someone does something stupid and this blws... it will be the USA vs. China with Japan in the middle.
 Quoting: TraderRob


Gee that would never happen with Obama in charge. He's monitoring the situation, and their diplomatic skills are second to none!

I feel perfectly safe!


NOT
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You know, the discussion was going fine until you showed up.
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my Chinese friend says 10 years before China goes to war.
Not ready yet
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their building 4 more aircraft carriers. scheduled completion date 2013, I think.
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my Chinese friend says 10 years before China goes to war.
Not ready yet
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their building 4 more aircraft carriers. scheduled completion date 2013, I think.
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China will not have 4 more carriers built by 2013. The first one will be ready for sea trials (supposedly) in 2013. They haven't even laid the keel on atleast 2 of the ships.

Those islands have long been considered Japanese territory. Even Chinese maps have shown them as such.

Are we to let China be belligerent toward our long time allies?

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