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What led me to Christianity

 
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maybe you are a christian because you are desperate for answers and out of the options its the least offensive.
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The research and evidence, have been collected over many years.

It's not solely based on NDEs. I may present more later.
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Ignorance, fear and gullibilty.
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maybe you are a christian because you are desperate for answers and out of the options its the least offensive.
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The research and evidence, have been collected over many years.

It's not solely based on NDEs. I may present more later.
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Why don't you respond to arguments that totally go against your "NDE research and evidence"? The only "argument" I have seen you make is essentially "NANANANANA I caaaan't hear you, you arrrree wrong. Now go answer how life started, if you can't then I'm still right".

-Why are Hindu NDE's not consistent with Western NDE's?

-Why do not all NDE's have these blue eyes you are talking about?

-What makes you so certain an NDE isn't just a break down of the brain? Have you ever tried LSD or shrooms? The weirdly perceived reality can be quite similar to such an experience.

Also for your sake I do hope your "research and evidence" is of significantly higher quality then what you presented here, otherwise your conclusions are surely in error.
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so lets see, you gave up being I AM THAT I AM and labeled yourself first a new ager and then a dark christian? whatever for?
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stop the need to follow and define yourself by any paradigm other than your own.
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Yes, I had this view once, and still incorporate to a degree. When I was a non-Christian, I had a dream of Bruce Lee.

I was then curious and studied his fighting system.

In his system, Bruce borrowed from various systems, and ultimately used what actually worked.

When we give labels to say his fighting system. It now has rules and forms. This can limit, the growth of the system.

Likewise, if we give labels to ourselves, we can them sub-consciously limit our growth, perspective, and views.

So even with new agers, this allows much freedom for growth and exploration. But, I found at the highest level, it still limits your perspective.

Therefore, I dropped even this label. To even more fully explore without any restrictions. This led me to other evidences. But now, one can now reach a point, where if you refuse, to accept and acknowledge evidence, since you don't want a label. Ironically, you can then limit yourself. But like I said, I still incorporate, this mentality to a degree to further my learning.
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I was once very sick in hospital and told I was dying. On top of all the other phantasmagorical experiences during this episode, there was an utterly bizarre cable TV system with only a few channels, whereupon I happened to see nothing but things that seemed specifically and very painfully to address my spiritual emptiness and terror. One of these was Dragon:the Bruce Lee Story. That film was definitely part of a turning point in my life and couldn't have affected me more deeply if it had been a dream sent me by a deity, or a bad acid trip, or an NDE vision of "Hell". So I was interested to see you mention Bruce Lee and what you said above re "New Age".
I have to quit now ,but will write more later.
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I get a kick out of the fact that on the internet, everything that is not distinctly Christian-oriented is conveniently branded and dismissed as 'New Age'.

It's like if you resist the programming and indoctrination of the mainsteam religions and buy into anything other than those religions, you must be a NEW-AGER! If you pursue spirituality outside of the religions you must be a New Ager because spirituality is certaintly a new concept in our history, right???

A popular topic among New Agers is NDE's? Where did you come up with that crap? NDE's are a popular topic among ANY individual who is curious about exploring experiences that people have when they are close to death.

You conveniently failed the mention the countless NDE experiences in which the individuals have no 'hell experience and are only greeted by past family members and no religious deities. What say you of these experiences? Why did they get a glimpse of the afterife and see family members absent of any details that could be tied to Christianity or any other religion?

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Naysayers, atheists, let go of your pride. God created you
to know, love and to honor Him and one day to be with Him
in Heaven. The plan hasn't changed, God is consistant,
saying the same for 2000 years and previously in the Old
Covenant.

Read a current message from St. Michael, the Archangel. Get
right with God. Repent from the heart and confess your
sins to God. He is waiting for you with open arms. hf

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Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia. Glory to God, Glory to God, Glory to God.

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Those souls which due to the lack of love do evil in this world, but are not consecrated, nor have they sold their souls to the prince of darkness, my Father will give them one last chance during the Warning to convert. It will show them the underworld and they will feel the fire which burns the condemned souls and they will see their torments. Their tenure through eternity will show all the damage they have caused, it will be painful, but necessary for conversion.

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Re: What led me to Christianity
I was a new ager for many years.

A popular topic among new agers, is near death experiences.

Now, most people assume near death experiences (NDE) are merely a hallucination, a part of the person's imaginations, or, a construct of the subconscious.

But, this is false for one main reason, and this is due to what's called 'veridical information'.

What's veridical information?

During the near death experiences, people will come across information that was impossible for them to know about, but after having the NDE and returning to their bodies, this information can verified to be true down to

A woman has a NDE, she then floats to the top of the hospital, and sees a single shoe. After the NDE, she verifies that the shoe was indeed there.

A woman is taken out of her body, and sees a heavenly place, with those who were deceased. She finds out information, from these people that she didn't know about. But after returning to her body, she was then able to verify the information with the deceased person's family members. The information was highly detailed and specific. The family members of the deceased person, verified that what the woman stated was true down to the exact details.

And there's many more cases, of NDE's, that contain veridical information.

Now, going back, the NDE that are mentioned in new age books. In these NDEs, we only learn of postive NDE's. This is typical, a person, leaves their body, goes to through a tunnel of light, has a life review, see deceased relatives, and may go further and see an actual heavenly location, which may even include trees, river, park, etc.

So, most will assume these people were merely imagining this, but, again, due to 'veridical information', this gives strong evidence that it was impossible for them to merely imagine this.

So, again, if one merely studies positve NDE's, we can then assume, everyone will go to a wonderful afterlife, meaning there's no hell. And therefore, most religions are false.

But

A book, was recently released by the International Association of Near Death Studies. In this book, one learns that there's both negative and positive near death experiences.

In addition, there's many other sources, where one can learn about negative NDEs.

What can one learn from these negative NDEs? That there's indeed a fiery hell, with various levels of punishments. Now most state, these are only a product of the mind, or, that these merely correspond to the person's level of consciousness.

But, again, due to veridical information, people coming across information that was impossible to know about, but, was later proven to be true down to the exact details, this again gives strong evidence that this is indeed a real reality.

Do only Christians who believe in heaven and hell see this? No, there's Christians, many atheists, and non-Christians who are also seeing heaven and hell.

So now that we have evidence of a heaven and hell. This still doesn't narrow down the religion, since many religions also believe in heaven and hell.

Again, the recently released book by a non-Christian organization, shares two NDEs. One by an atheist, and one by a non-Christian. In both of their NDEs, they both see hell, and both see Jesus.


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What about the Christian belief that the soul sleeps in the grave until the Ressurection, and thenJesus returns and everyone rises up out of the graves into new bodies and is judged and then either thrown into an eternal lake of fire or lives on new earth with Jesus for 1000 years. Where do you fit that in?
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One may now state, the above NDEs could also be describing the Islamic view of the afterlife.

But, there's two more NDE cases, that I want to share that further proves Islam is false.

In both of these NDEs, the woman and the boy, both come across information that was impossible for them to know about, but, was later proven to be true down to the exact details. Again, this is very strong evidence that they didn't merely imagine this.

In both NDE's, the boy and woman both see Jesus. In addition, they also see the wounds where he was crucified.

In Islam, it's believed that Jesus was never crucified.
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they don't even know why he was crucified and don't want to know why.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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One may now state, the above NDEs could also be describing the Islamic view of the afterlife.

But, there's two more NDE cases, that I want to share that further proves Islam is false.

In both of these NDEs, the woman and the boy, both come across information that was impossible for them to know about, but, was later proven to be true down to the exact details. Again, this is very strong evidence that they didn't merely imagine this.

In both NDE's, the boy and woman both see Jesus. In addition, they also see the wounds where he was crucified.

In Islam, it's believed that Jesus was never crucified.
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they don't even know why he was crucified and don't want to know why.
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he was crucified yes, but he did NOT die on the cross and your bible tells you people. Yet you believe a fairy tale. these bodies don't go to heaven. He lived and he met his pals and then boarded a craft and went to Syria, met Saul there 2 years later, and then went to India. He lived to well over 100 years of age, or rather he checked out of his body then. the body is buried in srinagar
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I get a kick out of the fact that on the internet, everything that is not distinctly Christian-oriented is conveniently branded and dismissed as 'New Age'.

It's like if you resist the programming and indoctrination of the mainsteam religions and buy into anything other than those religions, you must be a NEW-AGER! If you pursue spirituality outside of the religions you must be a New Ager because spirituality is certaintly a new concept in our history, right???

A popular topic among New Agers is NDE's? Where did you come up with that crap? NDE's are a popular topic among ANY individual who is curious about exploring experiences that people have when they are close to death.

You conveniently failed the mention the countless NDE experiences in which the individuals have no 'hell experience and are only greeted by past family members and no religious deities. What say you of these experiences? Why did they get a glimpse of the afterife and see family members absent of any details that could be tied to Christianity or any other religion?
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very good. If was still a member, big green thumb would be coming-Candace
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That is just the thing, though. No one has ANY proof of what happens after death. No one knows. You don't know, I don't know. But what I DO know is that the Bible is false. It was not written by God.
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You really need to do more investigation and make sure your "I Do Know" is fact because this decision has eternal consequences.

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Website CHOCK FULL of testimonies about Heaven and Hell NDE's---

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so lets see, you gave up being I AM THAT I AM and labeled yourself first a new ager and then a dark christian? whatever for?
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stop the need to follow and define yourself by any paradigm other than your own.
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Yes, I had this view once, and still incorporate to a degree. When I was a non-Christian, I had a dream of Bruce Lee.

I was then curious and studied his fighting system.

In his system, Bruce borrowed from various systems, and ultimately used what actually worked.

When we give labels to say his fighting system. It now has rules and forms. This can limit, the growth of the system.

Likewise, if we give labels to ourselves, we can them sub-consciously limit our growth, perspective, and views.

So even with new agers, this allows much freedom for growth and exploration. But, I found at the highest level, it still limits your perspective.

Therefore, I dropped even this label. To even more fully explore without any restrictions. This led me to other evidences. But now, one can now reach a point, where if you refuse, to accept and acknowledge evidence, since you don't want a label. Ironically, you can then limit yourself. But like I said, I still incorporate, this mentality to a degree to further my learning.
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I was once very sick in hospital and told I was dying. On top of all the other phantasmagorical experiences during this episode, there was an utterly bizarre cable TV system with only a few channels, whereupon I happened to see nothing but things that seemed specifically and very painfully to address my spiritual emptiness and terror. One of these was Dragon:the Bruce Lee Story. That film was definitely part of a turning point in my life and couldn't have affected me more deeply if it had been a dream sent me by a deity, or a bad acid trip, or an NDE vision of "Hell". So I was interested to see you mention Bruce Lee and what you said above re "New Age".
I have to quit now ,but will write more later.
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Sorry I didn't write more, like I said I would. I will, if anyone wants to know.
Wrote the above and then waited patiently for cat to get off keyboard, then found I had run out of steam.
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stop the need to follow and define yourself by any paradigm other than your own.
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Yes, I had this view once, and still incorporate to a degree. When I was a non-Christian, I had a dream of Bruce Lee.

I was then curious and studied his fighting system.

In his system, Bruce borrowed from various systems, and ultimately used what actually worked.

When we give labels to say his fighting system. It now has rules and forms. This can limit, the growth of the system.

Likewise, if we give labels to ourselves, we can them sub-consciously limit our growth, perspective, and views.

So even with new agers, this allows much freedom for growth and exploration. But, I found at the highest level, it still limits your perspective.

Therefore, I dropped even this label. To even more fully explore without any restrictions. This led me to other evidences. But now, one can now reach a point, where if you refuse, to accept and acknowledge evidence, since you don't want a label. Ironically, you can then limit yourself. But like I said, I still incorporate, this mentality to a degree to further my learning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24648161


I was once very sick in hospital and told I was dying. On top of all the other phantasmagorical experiences during this episode, there was an utterly bizarre cable TV system with only a few channels, whereupon I happened to see nothing but things that seemed specifically and very painfully to address my spiritual emptiness and terror. One of these was Dragon:the Bruce Lee Story. That film was definitely part of a turning point in my life and couldn't have affected me more deeply if it had been a dream sent me by a deity, or a bad acid trip, or an NDE vision of "Hell". So I was interested to see you mention Bruce Lee and what you said above re "New Age".
I have to quit now ,but will write more later.
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Sorry I didn't write more, like I said I would. I will, if anyone wants to know.
Wrote the above and then waited patiently for cat to get off keyboard, then found I had run out of steam.
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And besides, in the interim, that Wolfy-Head Thing, Anhedonic, loomed up again, looking not-amused, yet endearingly fuzzy-headed,yet intimidating.

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