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The Apollo Scam In A Nutshell

 
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In Apollo astronaut Michael Collins' "classic" telling of the American moon landing effort, "CARRYING THE FIRE"(my paperback edition, Ballantine, 1975), Collins makes the claim that Frank Borman's Apollo 8 cislunar illness was "Space Adaptation Syndrome" based. As a matter of fact, Borman is alleged by Collins to have been the first American astronaut to have experienced symptoms related to this malady of THE ORDER OF THE ZERO G, and said problem accounted for Borman's nausea and vomiting during his rather famous cislunar illness.

Collins' spin on the tale is ever so interesting, and more to the point REVEALING AND INCRIMINATING. As the story originally appeared in the real time of the space flight, and as reported over and over and over again in newspapers of the times, Borman had diarrhea in addition to his nausea and vomiting, BAD DIARRHEA. Why is it that Collins leaves out the diarrhea in his recounting of the Apollo 8 saga? Well, the diarrhea, were it to have been real, would have been potentially infectious. In addition, the foul liquid stool could have gummed up the ship's electronic works, just as was "feared" might be the case with the water leak in the staged Apollo 15 mission.

Stories like the Borman diarrhea in space story were told to add realism to the staged missions. In some cases, as this one, they realized in retrospect, the script as originally delivered was incriminating and so they changed the story after the fact. Our CATCHING THEM RETELL THESE MANY STORIES IN LESS INCRIMINATING TERMS IS AN APPROACH MY COLLEAGUES AND I REFER TO AS NARRATIVE ANALYSIS AND IT IS THE BEST/SUREST/MOST POTENT METHOD FOR DEMONSTRATING THE FRAUDULENCE OF THE APOLLO MISSIONS. As both stories cannot be true, as Borman cannot both have and not have diarrhea, we know all of Apollo to be fraudulent.

Indeed, in the case under discussion, the case dealing with the Baloney based Borman's cislunar diarrhea episode, Borman himself changed the story in his own retelling upon his return to earth. In an article he penned himself which appeared in LIFE MAGAZINE January 17, 1969, Borman wrote of his cislunar space illness and left out the bit about the diarrhea as well, knowing the story did not add up after all, and now that the diarrhea was out of the bag, they had to do something to clean it up. First approach was to pretend they never told the bogus tale about Borman having the runs to begin with. A nice video by 2 of my colleagues addresses this whole silly smelly business quite well;

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Well, the diarrhea, were it to have been real, would have been potentially infectious. In addition, the foul liquid stool could have gummed up the ship's electronic works, just as was "feared" might be the case with the water leak in the staged Apollo 15 mission.


Diarrhea in a space suit does not hold the same issues as vomiting - if anything one can wear a makeshift diaper. Can't wear a mouth diaper. Did Apollo crews where diapers? [link to motherboard.vice.com] So diapers may have been readily available, if not, then a towel or some other form of cloth could be readily worn.

Why do later stories drop the diarrhea? Most likely for the sensitive readers.

Understand that the generation these men come from talking about the toilet in polite society is just not done.

Being over 70 myself, I rarely discuss my irregular trips. If I really have to discuss it I use euphemisms. If discussing illness I say I had an upset stomach and leave it at that.

Its a generation thing, us older folk don't like to talk about what happens in toilets.
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So, in short: Old dudes dropped the squirts from space story, therefore the entire apollo program was a hoax, got it!

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Well, the diarrhea, were it to have been real, would have been potentially infectious. In addition, the foul liquid stool could have gummed up the ship's electronic works, just as was "feared" might be the case with the water leak in the staged Apollo 15 mission.


Diarrhea in a space suit does not hold the same issues as vomiting - if anything one can wear a makeshift diaper. Can't wear a mouth diaper. Did Apollo crews where diapers? [link to motherboard.vice.com] So diapers may have been readily available, if not, then a towel or some other form of cloth could be readily worn.

Why do later stories drop the diarrhea? Most likely for the sensitive readers.

Understand that the generation these men come from talking about the toilet in polite society is just not done.

Being over 70 myself, I rarely discuss my irregular trips. If I really have to discuss it I use euphemisms. If discussing illness I say I had an upset stomach and leave it at that.

Its a generation thing, us older folk don't like to talk about what happens in toilets.
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Actually, the diarrhea was not in the space suit, it was alleged to be floating in the zero G cabin, and as there was an INFLUENZA epidemic sweeping the planet at the time, there was said to have been concern about INFLUENZA as such being so responsible. NASA's medical staff claimed the astronauts were vaccinated and so INFLUENZA was ultimately of no concern.
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Well, the diarrhea, were it to have been real, would have been potentially infectious. In addition, the foul liquid stool could have gummed up the ship's electronic works, just as was "feared" might be the case with the water leak in the staged Apollo 15 mission.


Diarrhea in a space suit does not hold the same issues as vomiting - if anything one can wear a makeshift diaper. Can't wear a mouth diaper. Did Apollo crews where diapers? [link to motherboard.vice.com] So diapers may have been readily available, if not, then a towel or some other form of cloth could be readily worn.

Why do later stories drop the diarrhea? Most likely for the sensitive readers.

Understand that the generation these men come from talking about the toilet in polite society is just not done.

Being over 70 myself, I rarely discuss my irregular trips. If I really have to discuss it I use euphemisms. If discussing illness I say I had an upset stomach and leave it at that.

Its a generation thing, us older folk don't like to talk about what happens in toilets.
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Actually, the diarrhea was not in the space suit, it was alleged to be floating in the zero G cabin, and as there was an INFLUENZA epidemic sweeping the planet at the time, there was said to have been concern about INFLUENZA as such being so responsible. NASA's medical staff claimed the astronauts were vaccinated and so INFLUENZA was ultimately of no concern.
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So, in short: Old dudes dropped the squirts from space story, therefore the entire apollo program was a hoax, got it!

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Well, yes, when you consider the story was a calculated LIE to begin with. If you had diarrhea in a zero G Apollo cabin, it could be due to garden variety food poisoning, salmonella enteritis, C. Dif. enteritis, INFLUENZA, viral gastroenteritis, and so forth. When we read the newspapers of the day, we spot the story as scripted/fraudulent as the NASA physicians made no effort, no genuine effort, toward determining whether or not one of these problems, WHICH PROBLEM, WAS RESPONSIBLE.

We so identify Charles Berry, the chief NASA physician, as one of the Apollo fraud perpetrators.

We know Apollo to be fraudulent for other "medical reasons".

Alan Shepard was alleged to have been cured of Meniere's Diesease to fly on Apollo 14, Meniere's Disease was not curable in that day, nor is it now. It is treatable, but a man or woman can never be guaranteed to be symptom free after a shunt surgery. Shepard was alleged to have had a 40 dB ESTABLISHED hearing loss that was fixed/cured by way of a surgery. This is not possible. Ask any ENT physician you care to. The story is contrived, as is all of Apollo.

Deke Slayton was said to have spontaneously recovered from paroxysmal atrial fibrillation(well established and of many years duration), a condition for which this simply does not occur. Ask any cardiologist, the story about Deke Slayton and his a-fib is a fairy tale, and as such, so too is all of Apollo.

These are the medical lies of Apollo. There are others. Follow them to the proof of Apollo's fraudulence.


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Edit, added, "well established and of many years duration"

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Hilarious.

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You idiots have evolved your stupid bullshit to the point of just making up stories..

This is just Silly now!!


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How is that making up a story? Borman is the one making up stories. Did you take the time to view the video about that Borman article that appeared in LIFE MAGAZINE January 17, 1969;

[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]

Borman claimed he took seconal a second time TO INTENTIONALLY MAKE HIMSELF SICK IN SPACE.

Can you imagine any circumstances under which you would take a medication to intentionally make yourself ill with nausea/vomiting/diarrhea? You wouldn't do it on earth, let alone in outer space and jeopardize your life, the life of your crewmates and the life of the Apollo program.

Borman claims he TRIED TO MAKE HIMSELF ILL A SECOND TIME. This story is made up and is the only thing that constitutes BS, certainly not my exposure of this idiots cock and bull story. These men, the pretend astronauts of the Apollo program, are criminals.
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Not mentioning diarrhea is not the same as changing the story to claim that he didn't have diarrhea.
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Please watch a movie called "For All Mankind" and tell me how they faked that footage of the moon. It's 35mm footage and it is incredibly clear and detailed.
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Not mentioning diarrhea is not the same as changing the story to claim that he didn't have diarrhea.
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In this case it is the same. Note that by not mentioning diarrhea they can say the illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/motion sickness. As diarrhea is not a feature of space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness, were they to have mentioned diarrhea , they then would have had to have countenanced the fact that the illness was due to something else altogether; food poisoning, viral gastroenteritis(the first diagnosis made by the phony doctors by the way), salmonella, shigella, camplobacter, c. dif. enteritis, INFLUENZA. This of course would lead to the discovery that they did not have a functional toilet on board the Apollo command modules.

[link to www.youtube.com]


[link to www.youtube.com]


They DID change the story so they could use these altermnative diagnoses. Note how Borman said it was seconal that was responsible for his getting ill. If he admitted to his having had diarrhea, this diagnosis, seconal med effect, would not have been an option.


It is all contrived and clear evidence of fraud. Apollo is fraudulent, and one piece of evidence in support of this FACT is how we can readily demonstrate the astronauts had no way to poop with a semblance of hygiene.

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OP is grasping at straws here, this has got to be the WORST 'evidence' of the hoax that I have ever seen... The van-allen belt woowoo's are much more entertaining and at least have some modicum of science behind their arguments, this is just... silly.

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OP is grasping at straws here, this has got to be the WORST 'evidence' of the hoax that I have ever seen... The van-allen belt woowoo's are much more entertaining and at least have some modicum of science behind their arguments, this is just... silly.

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Actually, it is anything but silly.

If Borman is not lying about this, then why the absurd claim he INTENTIONALLY TRIED TO MAKE HIMSELF ILL IN SPACE?

The ONLY explanation for this is Apollo fraudulence. Please give us another explanation if you have a reasonable alternative. Again, I present the January 17, 1969 Borman essay in which he made the explicit claim that he TRIED ON PURPOSE to make himself ill and so prove it was seconal that was responsible to begin with for his nausea/vomiting and DIARRHEA.

[link to www.youtube.com]

This whole thing is WAY FAKE......
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The bloke having the skitters wouldnt be a problem to anyone but himself.

Think about it - he's in an airtight space suit that can survive a vacuum and the harshness of outer space. As soon as his arse starts spraying, whack him into the space suit and seal him up. No one would know about him "dropping his revels" but himself...
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If Borman is not lying about this, then why the absurd claim he INTENTIONALLY TRIED TO MAKE HIMSELF ILL IN SPACE?

The ONLY explanation for this is Apollo fraudulence. Please give us another explanation if you have a reasonable alternative. Again, I present the January 17, 1969 Borman essay in which he made the explicit claim that he TRIED ON PURPOSE to make himself ill and so prove it was seconal that was responsible to begin with for his nausea/vomiting and DIARRHEA.

This whole thing is WAY FAKE......
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Moronic.

A) This wasn't under the direction of the medical staff. They didn't like it when they heard about it.

B) This wasn't covered up. Borman spoke openly about it -- as did the post-mission medical reports (which you don't seem to have gotten around to reading, by the way).

C) Space flight is ballistic. You probably haven't gotten to that chapter yet in your "My first primer on rocket ships." Even more so than air flight, the exciting times are take off and landing. In between, lots of boredom.

Can you think of ANY possible reason why a man -- why an experienced test pilot who is commander of an independent space craft (and thus tasked with making time-dependent mission-critical decisions independent of ground control) might take steps to learn if a sudden incapacitating illness might re-occur in a more critical part of the flight?

Seriously, doc. Fleet Week is in town. Go talk to anyone in naval aviation and see if they can't explain this concept to you.
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In this case it is the same. Note that by not mentioning diarrhea they can say the illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/motion sickness. As diarrhea is not a feature of space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness,
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Cite, please.

were they to have mentioned diarrhea , they then would have had to have countenanced the fact that the illness was due to something else altogether; food poisoning, viral gastroenteritis(the first diagnosis made by the phony doctors by the way), salmonella, shigella, camplobacter, c. dif. enteritis, INFLUENZA.
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They DID mention it. At the time, in open press reports, in interviews, in books, in documents still available today.

Salmonella was ruled out by the controlled food supply (which, since it was single-sourced, could be readily tested on the ground.) Although there were many possibilities, the most likely was a 24-hour influenza that had been currently making the rounds and that half of them had had already.

But, what would a real physician do? How about; "IT MAY BE THE 24-hour FLU. TRY TO GET SOME REST AND CALL ME TOMORROW IF THERE HAS BEEN NO IMPROVEMENT."

Asinine. What do you do when someone presents with a red, swollen ankle, and a story of falling down some stairs -- immediately order a full tox screen?

The man is in a spacecraft on the way to the Moon. Isolation is impractical and a little too late anyhow. Return is essentially impossible (the fastest abort is still multiple days).



This of course would lead to the discovery that they did not have a functional toilet on board the Apollo command modules.
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Discovery to who? Ignorant you-tube watchers in 2012?

Oh, come on. There's even a recent book by an astronaut that was making the talk show circuit a few months ago that goes into lengthy detail about "business" in space. Or you could just pick up Greg Benford's "Titan." Or any one of a number of popular accounts of space flight. Or the press kits and NASA's own documentation.

Really, doc. This falls squarely into the "I didn't hear of it before, so it must not exist."

They DID change the story so they could use these altermnative diagnoses. Note how Borman said it was seconal that was responsible for his getting ill. If he admitted to his having had diarrhea, this diagnosis, seconal med effect, would not have been an option.

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No. You are paraphrasing and mixing stories. You seem to have a distinct problem understanding timelines, specifically the development of understanding.
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In this case it is the same. Note that by not mentioning diarrhea they can say the illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/motion sickness. As diarrhea is not a feature of space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness,
 Quoting: RelentlesslyClever


Cite, please.

were they to have mentioned diarrhea , they then would have had to have countenanced the fact that the illness was due to something else altogether; food poisoning, viral gastroenteritis(the first diagnosis made by the phony doctors by the way), salmonella, shigella, camplobacter, c. dif. enteritis, INFLUENZA.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyClever


They DID mention it. At the time, in open press reports, in interviews, in books, in documents still available today.

Salmonella was ruled out by the controlled food supply (which, since it was single-sourced, could be readily tested on the ground.) Although there were many possibilities, the most likely was a 24-hour influenza that had been currently making the rounds and that half of them had had already.

But, what would a real physician do? How about; "IT MAY BE THE 24-hour FLU. TRY TO GET SOME REST AND CALL ME TOMORROW IF THERE HAS BEEN NO IMPROVEMENT."

Asinine. What do you do when someone presents with a red, swollen ankle, and a story of falling down some stairs -- immediately order a full tox screen?

The man is in a spacecraft on the way to the Moon. Isolation is impractical and a little too late anyhow. Return is essentially impossible (the fastest abort is still multiple days).



This of course would lead to the discovery that they did not have a functional toilet on board the Apollo command modules.
 Quoting: RelentlesslyClever


Discovery to who? Ignorant you-tube watchers in 2012?

Oh, come on. There's even a recent book by an astronaut that was making the talk show circuit a few months ago that goes into lengthy detail about "business" in space. Or you could just pick up Greg Benford's "Titan." Or any one of a number of popular accounts of space flight. Or the press kits and NASA's own documentation.

Really, doc. This falls squarely into the "I didn't hear of it before, so it must not exist."

They DID change the story so they could use these altermnative diagnoses. Note how Borman said it was seconal that was responsible for his getting ill. If he admitted to his having had diarrhea, this diagnosis, seconal med effect, would not have been an option.

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No. You are paraphrasing and mixing stories. You seem to have a distinct problem understanding timelines, specifically the development of understanding.
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Look in any aerospace text, ANY TEXT. 50% give or take of all astronauts get at least a touch of space adaptation sickness symptoms, how many astronauts totally have had diarrhea on this basis?
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The Apollo's Saturn V rocket used 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, making ONLY 118 miles altitude.

Today's rockets go to 160 miles to dock with the ISS
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The Apollo's Saturn V rocket used 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, making ONLY 118 miles altitude.

Today's rockets go to 160 miles to dock with the ISS
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Honda engines?
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Look in any aerospace text, ANY TEXT. 50% give or take of all astronauts get at least a touch of space adaptation sickness symptoms, how many astronauts totally have had diarrhea on this basis?
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I have a swollen ankle, and sinusitis.

Guess that's impossible, eh? Because there isn't a condition that would cause both!

Other than, you know, being human.
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The Apollo's Saturn V rocket used 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, making ONLY 118 miles altitude.

Today's rockets go to 160 miles to dock with the ISS
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Orbit isn't an altitude. It is a velocity.

The Saturn V stack had a much higher delta-V than the assembled Shuttle, which it achieved through aggressive staging.
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The Apollo's Saturn V rocket used 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, making ONLY 118 miles altitude.

Today's rockets go to 160 miles to dock with the ISS
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And? You like proving you don't understand how a multi-stage rocket works? Or that you don't understand the science behind ALL rockets can be learned by anyone and determing the specific impulse necessary to get to the Moon and back or to attain orbit can be worked out by any college freshman with a single semester of orbital mechanics? Or that you thnk you've stumbled onto something that all the worlds rocket scientists somehow missed? Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Reality is not defined by your lack of comprehension.
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Not mentioning diarrhea is not the same as changing the story to claim that he didn't have diarrhea.
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In this circumstance it is the same. Not mentioning dirrhea in the later tellings of the Borman cislunar illness episode was indeed a way, an attempt at least, to say there was no diarrhea to begin with.

Think of it this way, Borman himself claimed it was seconal(sleeping medication) that made him sick. Why would he make such a claim when the NASA doctors themselves said it was viral gastroenteritis? Why would Borman go on to make the outrageous claim that he took seconal a SECOND TIME in space to INTENTIONALLY make himself sick?

Were this real, he would be endangering not only his own life, but that of his charges, his crewmates, and the life of the Apollo project itself. None of this happened because it does not make sense. No sense whatsoever.

My colleagues and I refer to this type of thing, proving Apollo bogus by way of showing the story incoherent, as "APOLLO NARRATIVE ANALYSIS". The careful study of the story of Apollo as presented by the principals themselves. As you'll find, the story is incoherent and inconsistent, and as such, necessarily untrue, FALSE, A BIG FAT LIE. We need not study rocks, nor pictures. We study the astronauts words, or "ain'tstronauts" words as my friends and I are so very fond of calling them, and in so doing, we prove without any reservation whatsoever, not an iota, Apollo is as fake, Apollo is as ever lovin' phony, as all get get get that jive heiny story outta' here.

Would you make yourself sick in outer space, or at home for that matter? There is only one reason for Borman to make this silly story up, the illness was bogus to begin with and they realized they botched it by injecting diarrhea into the command module. Bad bad bad mistake on the part of the Apollo script writers, and now they pay the ultimate price, ABJECT EMBARRASSMENT. As do the astronauts. And if you think they are not aware of these things we write, better think again. They have lost plenty of sleep over this, believe me. The ain'tstronauts haven't slept well at night for a long long long time. They know their names shall live in infamy. VERY SAD........


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PHONY DIARRHEA, REAL BULL


In this post, I'll take a detailed look at the Borman cislunar illness SCAM. I would imagine anyone without prior knowledge of these events will walk away from their reading of this account utterly convinced of Apollo's fraudulence, after all, facts are facts are FACTS........

Let's begin with a baker's dozen and three UNDISPUTED FACTS. These FACTS were presented to the public by our media, not to mention by NASA spokespersons as well. When I make reference to media reports, I mean not only reports as presented on TV, in mags and newspapers, but reports as conveyed in book and video publications/accounts as well. In this post, I'll first present some FACTS, then present some rhetorical questions which emphasize the inconsistency and internal incoherency of the NASA "yawn", erh, I mean yarn. Finally, I'll present my take on the FACTS, give my own accounting of NASA's incoherent story, say why it is that the story is so very internally incoherent, and in so doing, I shall make sense of it all. Ultimately, the only conclusion one may draw is that Apollo was/is fraudulent.

If a reader or two differs, I invite you to give your own accounting of the FACTS as presented. I believe most serious students of Apollo would agree that the facts as presented below are indeed correct/accurate. If you have a problem with one of them, please say which of the 16 facts you have a problem with, and why such is the case.

THE FACTS AS REGARDS THE BORMAN CISLUNAR DIARRHEAL ILLNESS EPISODE

1) An INFLUENZA pandemic created great problems for the world's public health care systems of the time, 1968/1969. The Hong Hong Flu took a million lives worldwide and 30,000 give or take in the U.S. alone . Millions more were rendered ill to the point of complete incapacitation before they were fortunate enough to recover.

2) NASA alleges all 3 Apollo 8 astronauts, Borman, Lovell and Anders, were vaccinated in the late fall of 1968.

3) INFLUENZA vaccines, including that for the Hong Kong Flu of 1968/1969, are not 100% effective/efficacious. As it turned out, the Hong Kong Flu vaccine of 1968 was disappointingly ineffective. Assuming the Apollo 8 astronauts were indeed vaccinated, the vaccine's efficacy/effectiveness would have been no better than 80%, and that figure is VERY GENEROUS, this, given what was learned in the wake of the epidemic as regards the vaccine's performance.

4) Frank Borman became ill "in space" beginning roughly 18 hours after the launch of Apollo 8. His illness was characterized by himself and NASA physicians including lead doc, Charles Berry, as one in which he experienced chills, malaise, nausea associated with vomiting, and diarrhea. The vomitus and liquid feces floated about the zero G cabin and was ultimately cleaned up by Lovell and Anders using paper towells. A detailed presentation of the illness and associated events can be found in Andrew Chaikin's book, A MAN ON THE MOON, a work considered by most, including NASA personnel, indeed the astronauts themselves, as the very best popular account of the moon landing project generally, not to mention the very best accout as regards the details of the Apollo mission events.

5) In the real-time world of the last week of December 1968, the NASA flight surgeons/physicians stated it was their view that Borman's illness was due to viral gastroenteritis. Most lay persons would refer to this as "stomach flu". This is a very different illness from INFLUENZA, much less serious, though it would present a very significant problem nonetheless. Because Borman was viewed as having viral gastroenteritis, it was if not assumed to be case, then viewed at least as very very possible, that the other 2 astronauts would become sick as well, "stomach flu" viruses being so very contagious

6) Prior to becoming ill, given his alleged bothersome insomnia, Astronaut Borman took a seconal pill/capsule his first "night in space" . Side effect wise, seconal would be a medication that may well cause a problem with nausea, and if nauseated enough, an individual might vomit as a consequence. That said, seconal use would not be associated with diarrhea .

7) In the post flight medical report, lead physician Charles Berry reported all the vomitus AND diarrhea was captured/caught in the plastic bags the astronauts used for defecation. This directly contradicts the story as reported in the newspapers and magazines of the time, real-time reports. It also contradicts the story as told by authors such as Chaikin in his MAN ON THE MOON book. Keep in mind Chaikin interviewed all of the principals, and then some, before writing his detailed account of exactly what happened up there in space. Newsmen/newswomen of the day, Andrew Chaikin , and others, all reported the vomitus and diarrhea floated about the cabin. The only report made anywhere to the effect that ALL of the vomitus and diarrhea was captured in the fecal collection bags was the report of physician Charles Berry. No one else makes/made such a claim.

8) Liquid of ANY KIND, floating about a hypothetical Apollo command module poses a significant threat. In James Irwin's account of his experience aboard Apollo 15 , the astronaut reported there was great anxiety when a water leak was discovered, this, because the water could get into the electronic works and short something out, the computer say. If the water leaking into the command module of Apollo 15 threatened the ship's well being, then so too would have the imagined Borman vomitus and diarrhea, posing every bit as much of a risk to the crew and mission of Apollo 8 , this, irrespective of the additional risks to health that vomitus and diarrhea would pose.

9) Water floating about a zero G cabin was problem enough, vomitus and diarrhea posed a duel threat; first of all, just like water, vomitus and diarrhea would have posed a major threat to the electronic systems of the ship as emphasized by James Irwin in his discussion of the Apollo 15 water leak problem, and then additionally, vomitus and diarrhea carried chemicals(e.g. acid) , not to mention pathogens(viruses, bacteria, and so forth) that posed a risk to the astronauts' biologic systems. Water/vomitus/loose diarrheal stool floating about in a ZERO G cabin's "atmosphere" would constitute an unbelievable health risk. The inhalation of low pH/acidic material, enteric BACTERIA, viruses such as INFLUENZA, could wipe a crew out in short order, and simply could not/would not be tolerated. Here's a REAL astronaut addressing the issue of the risk posed by poop in space. In space, there is zero tolerance for poop in one's zero G cabin.

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10) Any person, whether a man actually traversing cislunar space in a ship, or a kindergarten teacher, were he or she to complain of chills, malaise, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, a physician that was charged with helping said individual would gernerate a list, or a "differential" as doctors call them, of possible explanations for the problem. This is actually a simple and staright forward matter, the list generation issue is. I do not mean to imply it was a simple matter in that the risk, the threat, was not significant. So the problem is not "simple" in the sense that the individual might not become very ill, or be very ill to begin with, but simple as regards the fact that acute diarrhea, with or without vomiting, is a common problem, something dealt with many times a day by many doctors, interns, medical students, nurses. Its general UNDERSTANDING is not complicated. As it turns out, there are not many common problems that are associated with both vomiting and diarrhea. One is garden variety staphlococcal bacteria food poisoning. Other things doctors would and do consider when an individual reports chills, malaise, nausea/vomiting/diarrhea, are bacterial enteritis such as that caused by salmonella, toxin based diarrhea such as that which occurs with a bacteria called C. difficile, a serious viral infection such as that caused by INFLUENZA during a period of an epidemic or during the right season as was indeed the case here, a medication effect problem, or space adaptation syndrome. The latter mentioned problem there is "motion sickness" space men get. It is just like car sickness, but a spaceship variety. At that time, 1968/1969, people did not know what exactly the symptoms were for space adaptation syndrome since it was all new. As a matter of fact, prior to the Borman illness, no US astronaut had gotten sick in space, not in the sense we are discussing here, a POSSIBLE disequilibrium problem induced by exposure of an astronaut to zero G conditions. (The entire Apollo 7 crew allegedly had "head colds". But here we are discussing something entirely different. ) As it turns out, diarrhea is not generally speaking a feature of space adaptation syndrome, so that cannot be the explanation for Borman's "illness". However, this was not known in 1968/1969, so it may initially have been a consideration.

11) As Borman seemed to "recover" quickly from whatever made him ill, the NASA doctors responsible for the Apollo 8 astronauts felt viral gastroenteritis/stomach flu was more likely than not responsible. The newspapers of the times reported that should viral gastroenteritis prove to be responsible, the other two astronauts , Lovell and Aders, were at risk. Some papers reported it was even LIKELY the other two astronauts would get ill as well. This, as the virus is highly contagious, and given the close quarters, they would have been a set up .

12) No effort was made to examine the food supply, to check for food poisoning on board the Apollo 8 ship, or back in the states. The ship was not cultured for virus/bacteria. The astronauts were not cultured for virus/bacteria on their return.

13) Upon "returning to the Earth", Borman wrote in a January 17 1969 LIFE magazine article that he had gotten ill in space, became nauseated and was vomiting. He wrote as it was his suspicion that the seconal sleeping medication was what made him sick to begin with, he decided to take seconal, half a tab/cap a second time. In so doing, he could prove his own hypothesis that seconal was responsible for his illness to begin with. Borman reasoned, if the seconal did it once, it would do it again. Borman claimed he indeed did get ill, not as severely, but felt poorly nevertheless, after taking the second and smaller dose of seconal. As such, Borman felt confident that it was the seconal which was responsible for his first and more troublesome bout of symptoms.

14) Samuel Phillips was the Air Force General who served as the chief administrator for the USAF Minuteman ICBM program. Under his direction, the US developed its land based nuclear deterrent, the famous Minuteman arsenal. Subsequent to his directing the Minuteman program, Phillips went on to become the director of the Apollo program. Samuel Phillips is not, was not, a physician. He was a military man, one specializing in the administration of programs working to devebunnyplex missile/rocket based systems. In the May 1969 National Geographic Magazine, Phillips wrote about Borman's illness in his article, an article that addressed the Apollo 8 mission generally. Phillips wrote that in the real time world of the Apollo 8 mission, they had been worried about the possibility of Borman's having acquired INFLUENZA given his symptoms. However, they then quickly realized that Borman was safe, at least as far as the INFLUENZA risk went, this, because the astronauts had all been vaccinated. Phillip's point was that because Borman was vaccinated, he was not at risk for acquiring the Hong Kong flu, his vaccination guaranteeing his immunity to said viral pathogen. INFLUENZA vaccination never has been 100% effective/efficacious. This was well known in 1969, as it is today. Were the astronauts vaccinated, they would nevertheless have still been vulnerable, though perhaps less so if the vaccine did successfully produce an antibody response.

15) Though there may be one such case/example, I have never seen one. In essentially all public events where Borman himself discusses what happened during the flight of Apollo 8, HE DOES NOT SPEAK OF THE DIARRHEA. THE VOMITING, YES, THE DIARRHEA, NEVER.

16) As mentioned at the outset, Michael Collins wrote in his book, CARRYING THE FIRE, that Borman's problem/illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness. Collins wrote of Bormans nausea and vomiting, but not his diarrhea.

Before I give my own account of how one makes sense of these points, these FACTS, please note that is what they are. They are FACTS. Nothing here is in dispute. FACTS 1 through 16 say nothing about the reality of Apollo , or the lack of Apollonian reality. Granted, this strange collection of FACTS is indeed open to myriad interpretation, though I would and will argue, that my interpretation fits the FACTS the best, makes the best sense. I challenge others to submit an alternative version/interpretation. If a reader has a problem with one of my FACTS, please share with the group exactly why you feel the FACT was reported inaccurately.

Now to move on with some rhetorical point/questions. There are "problems" with these FACTS, problems that drive the thoughtful open minded reader inexorably to the conclusion that Apollo is fraudulent.
Consider the following points;

A) Why is Samuel Phillips writing in the May 1969 National Geographic article that Borman could not possibly have had INFLUENZA given the fact that the astronauts were vaccinated? That is simply not true. Any real physician, any first year intern, could tell Phillips that. Who is advising Phillips? Phillips is not a physician, and if he were, he would know that vaccinating someone by no means guarantees immunity. As a matter of fact, the men that would have advised Phillips as regards this matter, Charles Berry and the other NASA physicians, they themselves were making public proclamations that the astronauts had been vaccinated and were therefore immune. As such, one cannot claim that Phillips was simply mistaken, that he simply thought the astronauts were immune based on his lay understanding of a vaccination's efficacy. It was not just Phillips, but the NASA physicians as well, that were claiming the astronauts could not have acquired INFLUENZA by virue of their having been vaccinated. INFLUENZA vaccines are far from 100% efficacious/effective. As it turned out , the Hong Kong Flu vaccine was not very effective. But that fact aside, as it would not have been known for a while, not known until well after May of 1969, were astronauts to actually have become ill in space in December of 1968 with chills/malaise/nausea/diarrhea, vaccination status notwithstanding, given that plenty of people acquire INFLUENZA AND DIE IN CONSEQUENCE DESPITE BEING VACCINATED, a real physician, genuinely concerned for the lives of his charges, in this case astronauts, would immediately think, "THIS HONG KONG FLU PANDEMIC SITUATION WORRIES ME, COULD THIS BE INFLUENZA?????? IF BORMAN HAS INFLUENZA, ANDERS AND LOVELL ARE SURE TO BECOME ILL GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT THERE. HOW DO WE FIGURE THIS OUT? "

B) Given Borman allegedly had problems with both vomiting AND diarrhea, and given the FACT that food poisoning notoriously causes nausea/vomiting/diarrhea together, why did they not have the astronauts check their food supply, examine it, study it, ditto for the water supply, ditto for the food and water supply from which the astronauts ate and drank prior to "taking off"?

C) Why weren't the ship's surfaces cultured to look for virus and or bacteria?

D) Why wasn't Borman's stool cultured to look for salmonella for example?

E) Charles Berry, the head NASA physician, knew it was true that as the story was originally related to the public, vomitus and diarrhea floated freely about the command module cabin of Apollo 8. Why did he write in the Apollo 8 medical report that that was not the case? He wrote all of the vomitus and ALL of the diarrheal stool was "caught" in fecal bags?

F) Why is Borman taking Seconal a second time if it made him sick to begin with? No physician would permit that. If a genuine ALLERGIC problem as opposed to a SIDE EFFECT problem was responsible for the symptoms initially, Borman could easily die in minutes with his second ingestion of seconal. And even if it was a seconal side effect issue, no one in their right mind would try to make himself/herself ill under such circumstances. No physician would permit that. This is utterly unbelievable and is proof of Apollo's fraudulence in and of itself.

G) On returning to earth, given the uncertainties and what would be at stake moving forward, why didn't NASA work diligently to prove to itself that Borman really did acquire viral gastroenteritis? there is so much at stake with respect to future flights. What if it is the food or water supply that is the problem? What about Apollo 9? !0? 11? What if Borman swallowed a piece of Lovell's poop and so got ill in consequence to begin with? How do they know such was not the case? Well the answer is that they know because Apollo is 10 plus fake and is all made up. But what if it was real? Were this real, environmental people would have been looking at that and a real toilet would have been installed. WAY FAKE, the plastic bags as a toilet thing , WAY FAKE. The claim was made that other persons in the Cape area were ill with viral enteritis and Borman presumably acquired it from them. But if that was the case, why didn't the other astronauts get sick in space? Surely they would have acquired it from Borman, or would have been at super high risk to have done so, no? Why aren't the doctors telling the astronauts to wash their hands? If Borman has viral gastroenteritis, Lovell and Anders are at risk. So where are the precautions? WAY FAKE! A joke, nothing less.

There really is only ONE explanation for all of this nonsense. Apollo was/is fraudulent. In an effort to try and make the narrative, the story, more detailed, nuanced, and therefore believable, they injected these anecdotes into the mission tales: Borman's cislunar illness, the wild girations of Apollo 10's Snoopy in Lunar Orbit, Aldrin taking a pee on the moon( a first), the water leaking into the Apollo 15 command module, the Apollo 14 LM extraction difficulties, the Apollo 16 CM problems that threatened the trip, the yakety yak antics of the Apollo 12 crew and so forth and so on and on and on and on.

Were Apollo real, we would expect anything but one "nominal" event after another. We would expect COLOR!!!! How do fiction writers make their stories work? DETAIL !!!!! Anecdote!!!! The Perpetrators of the Apollo fraud were/are well aware of this issue. To get people to buy this cock and bull, AND WITHOUT QUESTION, THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE TO FOOL ARE THE 400,000 APOLLO WORKERS, THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, THE FEW BAD PERPETRATING APPLES HAVE TO COLOR THEIR STORY WITH ANECDOTES, JUST AS THEY DID WITH THE BORMAN ILLNESS ANECDOTE, a great case in point. If the 400,000 Apollo workers are doing things like "figuring out" how it is that water is leaking into Apollo 15 AND also figuring out how to FIX the problem, if the people in Mission control hear Borman is actually ILL, if engineers are working on solutions to Apollo 13's woes, THIS is what makes the fraud go, THIS is what makes it work.

Clever the Apollo fraud PERPS were and are, but NOT SMART. In some cases, they botched things, realizing too late that their details, in this case the Borman illness detail, instead of adding color in such a way that the fraud becomes more plausible, becomes instead an obvious piece of the story that is simply not credible, and as is the case with lying of any sort, once they realize their lie has been found out, or might be found out because it is not plausible, they tell more lies to cover the first, and then a lie to cover the second, and then 3 lies to cover the third lie and so forth, on and on, until they are left with a mish mash of incoherency. And as my group of Apollo researchers is fond of saying , the official narrative is easily seen to be internally incoherent and therefore necessarily untrue. Apollo must be fraudulent.

So what is the truth here?

At some point, a decision, and in retrospect, at least for the PERPS anyway, a bad decision, was made to tell this story about Borman having diarrhea in space. The thinking here of course is people are expected to think on some level, albeit a subconscious one, or perhaps better said in retrospect, people were expected to think in an "after the fact sense" , HOW CAN THE THING BE A FRAUD? HOW CAN IT NOT BE REAL? IF BORMAN IS ILL IN SPACE, IT HAS TO BE LEGIT? FAKE DIARRHEA? NO WAY". But in short order, perhaps in the wake of questioning by reporters, the PERPS realized the Borman illness anecdote was potentially fatal. It could easily end the entire fraudulent program before it really got off the ground. They realize that if Borman really were ill with diarrhea in space with his stool floating all about, that stool could be INHALED. E.Coli, salmonella, breathing it in. What would be the fallout? Were it simple viral gastroenteritis, it still would be problematic. Anders and Lovell could get very sick as well. Here on earth, stomach flu is no big, but in space? What if all three of them are pooping into the cabin, losing liters of fluid? How are they going to replace it? The environmental system could not even cope with mild diarrhea were all three to become ill, mildly symptomatic. They'd die. Electrolyte problems? What about the vomitus? How is that going to affect their lungs? It is low pH material/acidic, and they would be breathing in microdroplets of it. What about the equipment? James Irwin wrote himself that a small blob of water had the Apollo 15 astronauts worried with regard to its capacity to short the electrical systems. What about vomitus and/or diarrhea? What is that going to do to the computer and the other equipment? Cannot say they would not be worried. They were plenty worried about the water leak in Apollo 15, and that was small volume. We are talking about a much more robust leak here.
Once they tell this ridiculous, and ridiculously damaging lie, they cannot undo it altogether, though they wished they could have. As such, they do the best they can and engage in damage control. By far and away, were the scenario real, from a biologic/medical standpoint, the biggest threat to the astronauts would have been INFLUENZA. They try to make this "go away" by saying that the astronauts were vaccinated and therefore immune. Of course any first year medical student, let alone a full fledged medical intern, could have told them such was not the case, but what were they to do? They had botched it big time, best they could do, tell more lies to minimize fallout They tried to minimize the diarrheal concern by not mentioning it and trying to link the illness to things not associated with diarrhea, seconal ingestion and space adaptation syndrome(motion sickness). NASA physician Charles Berry lied in writing the medical report by saying the vomitus and stool was all caught, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS REPORTED IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES OF THE DAY with Charles Berry himself telling reporters in December of 1968 that Borman's stool was likely to infect the other astronauts as well(Lovell and Anders), this, as that particular virus group, those causing garden variety gastroenteritis, are so very contagious.

And so the not so white lie about Borman's vomiting and puking in space blew up and blew very real stool in the faces of the Apollo fraud perpetrators, and as such, with regard to this anecdote, the official story is simply not credible, being inconsistent, internally incoherent and necessarily untrue.

If you have an alternative explanation, scenario proposal that also fits the facts, or if you object to my accounting of the facts, I welcome your challenge.

APOLLO IS FRAUDULENT

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