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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24585435 Portugal 10/01/2012 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | offtopic atlas shrugged: actually if u dwell into ayn rand's life ull see that her "essays" were third party engineered so they would come out to the public as "revelations" and with a populist undertone, more so than what i believe it was supposed to come out of her: a simple introspection on the dwelves of a narcisistic conscience, only to "catalog" the abyss and the placebos that keep it floating above the dephts of evil towards mankind. ov course she was zion blood, but she was driven out of her will by zionists, so i don't believe she meant to create a tool of disarray, she was used cleverly and most her writting underwent 3rd party change prior to publish. go listen to her speaking on youtube and ull see what i mean peace |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24182468 United States 10/01/2012 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the day after tomorrow: burn the books, more books, ALL the books, if not = frozen death. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24585435 offtopic atlas shrugged: actually if u dwell into ayn rand's life ull see that her "essays" were third party engineered so they would come out to the public as "revelations" and with a populist undertone, more so than what i believe it was supposed to come out of her: a simple introspection on the dwelves of a narcisistic conscience, only to "catalog" the abyss and the placebos that keep it floating above the dephts of evil towards mankind. ov course she was zion blood, but she was driven out of her will by zionists, so i don't believe she meant to create a tool of disarray, she was used cleverly and most her writting underwent 3rd party change prior to publish. go listen to her speaking on youtube and ull see what i mean peace Thank you, have never tried that! peace. |
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acegotflows User ID: 19532652 United States 10/01/2012 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reading material on the net is underutilized, indeed. WIll have to contemplate that, thanks. These particualr parts of the book are what I see tv and internet doing. The "burning" so to speak. "And because they had mass, they became simpler," said Beatty. "Once, books appealed to a few people, here, there, everywhere. They could afford to be different. The world was roomy. But then the world got full of eyes and elbows and mouths. Double, triple, quadruple population. Films and radios, magazines, books levelled down to a sort of paste pudding norm, do you follow me?" "I think so." Beatty peered at the smoke pattern he had put out on the air. "Picture it. Nineteenthcentury man with his horses, dogs, carts, slow motion. Then, in the twentieth century, speed up your camera. Books cut shorter. Condensations, Digests. Tabloids. Everything boils down to the gag, the snap ending." "Snap ending." Mildred nodded. "Classics cut to fit fifteen-minute radio shows, then cut again to fill a two-minute book column, winding up at last as a ten- or twelve-line dictionary resume. I exaggerate, of course. The dictionaries were for reference. But many were those whose sole knowledge of Hamlet (you know the title certainly, Montag; it is probably only a faint rumour of a title to you, Mrs. Montag) whose sole knowledge, as I say, of Hamlet was a one-page digest in a book that claimed: 'now at least you can read all the classics; keep up with your neighbours.' Do you see? Out of the nursery into the college and back to the nursery; there's your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries or more." Mildred arose and began to move around the room, picking things up and putting them down. Beatty ignored her and continued "Speed up the film, Montag, quick. Click? Pic? Look, Eye, Now, Flick, Here, There, Swift, Pace, Up, Down, In, Out, Why, How, Who, What, Where, Eh? Uh! Bang! Smack! Wallop, Bing, Bong, Boom! Digest-digests, digest-digest-digests. Politics? One column, two sentences, a headline! Then, in mid-air, all vanishes! Whirl man's mind around about so fast under the pumping hands of publishers, exploiters, broadcasters, that the centrifuge flings off all unnecessary, time-wasting thought!" Mildred smoothed the bedclothes. Montag felt his heart jump and jump again as she patted his pillow. Right now she was pulling at his shoulder to try to get him to move so she could take the pillow out and fix it nicely and put it back. And perhaps cry out and stare or simply reach down her hand and say, "What's this?" and hold up the hidden book with touching innocence. "School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored. Life is immediate, the job counts, pleasure lies all about after work. Why learn anything save pressing buttons, pulling switches, fitting nuts and bolts?" "a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth" |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 24182468 United States 10/09/2012 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reading material on the net is underutilized, indeed. WIll have to contemplate that, thanks. These particualr parts of the book are what I see tv and internet doing. The "burning" so to speak. "And because they had mass, they became simpler," said Beatty. "Once, books appealed to a few people, here, there, everywhere. They could afford to be different. The world was roomy. But then the world got full of eyes and elbows and mouths. Double, triple, quadruple population. Films and radios, magazines, books levelled down to a sort of paste pudding norm, do you follow me?" "I think so." Beatty peered at the smoke pattern he had put out on the air. "Picture it. Nineteenthcentury man with his horses, dogs, carts, slow motion. Then, in the twentieth century, speed up your camera. Books cut shorter. Condensations, Digests. Tabloids. Everything boils down to the gag, the snap ending." "Snap ending." Mildred nodded. "Classics cut to fit fifteen-minute radio shows, then cut again to fill a two-minute book column, winding up at last as a ten- or twelve-line dictionary resume. I exaggerate, of course. The dictionaries were for reference. But many were those whose sole knowledge of Hamlet (you know the title certainly, Montag; it is probably only a faint rumour of a title to you, Mrs. Montag) whose sole knowledge, as I say, of Hamlet was a one-page digest in a book that claimed: 'now at least you can read all the classics; keep up with your neighbours.' Do you see? Out of the nursery into the college and back to the nursery; there's your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries or more." Mildred arose and began to move around the room, picking things up and putting them down. Beatty ignored her and continued "Speed up the film, Montag, quick. Click? Pic? Look, Eye, Now, Flick, Here, There, Swift, Pace, Up, Down, In, Out, Why, How, Who, What, Where, Eh? Uh! Bang! Smack! Wallop, Bing, Bong, Boom! Digest-digests, digest-digest-digests. Politics? One column, two sentences, a headline! Then, in mid-air, all vanishes! Whirl man's mind around about so fast under the pumping hands of publishers, exploiters, broadcasters, that the centrifuge flings off all unnecessary, time-wasting thought!" Mildred smoothed the bedclothes. Montag felt his heart jump and jump again as she patted his pillow. Right now she was pulling at his shoulder to try to get him to move so she could take the pillow out and fix it nicely and put it back. And perhaps cry out and stare or simply reach down her hand and say, "What's this?" and hold up the hidden book with touching innocence. "School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored. Life is immediate, the job counts, pleasure lies all about after work. Why learn anything save pressing buttons, pulling switches, fitting nuts and bolts?" Thank you. I see fitting bolts can maybe be pushing papers, wrapping burgers. The snap ending is analogous to me to the fast flying images in tv and iphone. Thinking is required to be real. I am talking velveteen rabbit real. Real people are getting harder to find. Well, on a positive note, we are blessed to be going backward, getting slower each day. I wish you peace. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35871197 United States 05/17/2013 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal. Each man the image of every other; then all are happy, for there are no mountains to make them cower, to judge themselves against. So! A book is a loaded gun in the house next door. Burn it. Take the shot from the weapon. Breach man's mind. Wo knows who might be the target of the well-read man? Me?" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35871197 United States 05/17/2013 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You better believe its coming true! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7804924 United States 05/17/2013 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree we're aren't 1984 - yet...that will be after the masses are pretty much amused to numbness Right now we are Huxley's 'Brave New World'... [link to fatpita.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39982328 United Kingdom 05/17/2013 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting, I've been thinking along similar lines recently except I came to the conclusion that the internet is basically the thought police. Every search recorded and processed, people being detained for what they say, even if it was never going to lead to action, memes used to spread and enforce propaganda. |
Bittercritter User ID: 26255514 United States 05/17/2013 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very astute actually. Use of the internet gives us shorter attention spans and the material therein is subject to manipulation and change. Fewer young people read books than ever before. Let's call it Bonfire of the Sanities |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35871197 United States 05/17/2013 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree we're aren't 1984 - yet...that will be after the masses are pretty much amused to numbness Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7804924 Right now we are Huxley's 'Brave New World'... [link to fatpita.net] I guess 451 is a mix. It does talk about people no longer caring to read and entertainment filling their lives. Just that one further step of getting rid of the books altogether, but I agree....it's probably not even necessary. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35871197 United States 05/17/2013 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very astute actually. Use of the internet gives us shorter attention spans and the material therein is subject to manipulation and change. Fewer young people read books than ever before. Let's call it Bonfire of the Sanities Which would explain why all the wealthy Silicon Valley folks are sending their kids to schools where they don't use computers and don't let their children use computers at all. I found that interesting when I read about it, but I see why now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26082320 United States 05/17/2013 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reading material on the net is underutilized, indeed. WIll have to contemplate that, thanks. These particualr parts of the book are what I see tv and internet doing. The "burning" so to speak. "And because they had mass, they became simpler," said Beatty. "Once, books appealed to a few people, here, there, everywhere. They could afford to be different. The world was roomy. But then the world got full of eyes and elbows and mouths. Double, triple, quadruple population. Films and radios, magazines, books levelled down to a sort of paste pudding norm, do you follow me?" "I think so." Beatty peered at the smoke pattern he had put out on the air. "Picture it. Nineteenthcentury man with his horses, dogs, carts, slow motion. Then, in the twentieth century, speed up your camera. Books cut shorter. Condensations, Digests. Tabloids. Everything boils down to the gag, the snap ending." "Snap ending." Mildred nodded. "Classics cut to fit fifteen-minute radio shows, then cut again to fill a two-minute book column, winding up at last as a ten- or twelve-line dictionary resume. I exaggerate, of course. The dictionaries were for reference. But many were those whose sole knowledge of Hamlet (you know the title certainly, Montag; it is probably only a faint rumour of a title to you, Mrs. Montag) whose sole knowledge, as I say, of Hamlet was a one-page digest in a book that claimed: 'now at least you can read all the classics; keep up with your neighbours.' Do you see? Out of the nursery into the college and back to the nursery; there's your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries or more." Mildred arose and began to move around the room, picking things up and putting them down. Beatty ignored her and continued "Speed up the film, Montag, quick. Click? Pic? Look, Eye, Now, Flick, Here, There, Swift, Pace, Up, Down, In, Out, Why, How, Who, What, Where, Eh? Uh! Bang! Smack! Wallop, Bing, Bong, Boom! Digest-digests, digest-digest-digests. Politics? One column, two sentences, a headline! Then, in mid-air, all vanishes! Whirl man's mind around about so fast under the pumping hands of publishers, exploiters, broadcasters, that the centrifuge flings off all unnecessary, time-wasting thought!" Mildred smoothed the bedclothes. Montag felt his heart jump and jump again as she patted his pillow. Right now she was pulling at his shoulder to try to get him to move so she could take the pillow out and fix it nicely and put it back. And perhaps cry out and stare or simply reach down her hand and say, "What's this?" and hold up the hidden book with touching innocence. "School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored. Life is immediate, the job counts, pleasure lies all about after work. Why learn anything save pressing buttons, pulling switches, fitting nuts and bolts?" |
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Only Me Strawberry Girl User ID: 81130680 United States 03/26/2023 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I reread this book every few years. Every time I do, it is more and more familiar. Goodbye, halcyon days... There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened. |