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Here is why O is ahead in the "polls"

 
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Again, the OP is bsflag
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Again, or should I say still, you're a clueless Irish skidmark.

Excellent post OP, 5stars
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Re: Here is why O is ahead in the "polls"
The article OP posted says it's hard for pollsters to make

If you ask me why Romney is behind: His presentation looks fake, you can see clearly it's all acted. The leaked video. Changing his opinion on certain subjects, for example: abortion.

Most people voting on Romney don't vote because of Romney, they vote Romney because they don't like Obama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22322054



Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
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Again, the OP is bsflag
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Again, or should I say still, you're a clueless Irish skidmark.

Excellent post OP, 5stars
 Quoting: The Governor


You realise that the study the OP post says the OPPOSITE of the OP... and that the conservative blog he linked to liked about the content of the poll...

And I'm an American.

But no, believe lies, fine by me...
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The article OP posted says it's hard for pollsters to make

If you ask me why Romney is behind: His presentation looks fake, you can see clearly it's all acted. The leaked video. Changing his opinion on certain subjects, for example: abortion.

Most people voting on Romney don't vote because of Romney, they vote Romney because they don't like Obama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22322054



Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


The VAST majority of the 47% are retired people and military folks... and yeah, it resonated with them, which is why Romney's poll numbers are declining...
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and the Media in the tank for Obama, is not helping him.

They look pathetic with constant attacks on Rommey when they should be question O on economy, any ? abut how our ambasador got killed with no security, and why they lied about it not being terriorsts, minute 1..




These topics reasonate with the undecided at this time... We dont live in the vaccum of 4 channels of network news anymore. Those that are undecided, look for news outlets online. Drudge, is a huge mover of news...
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This has been true for some time now.

Most right leaning people, just dont answer, very few right leaning people will ever partake in a poll.


The polls are being skewed so that when Romney wins (by a significant margin too), the dems will scream a foul, and will usher in the UN to claim election fraud.
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You pulled that out of your butt.

Linky or you are stinky
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and the Media in the tank for Obama, is not helping him.

They look pathetic with constant attacks on Rommey when they should be question O on economy, any ? abut how our ambasador got killed with no security, and why they lied about it not being terriorsts, minute 1..




These topics reasonate with the undecided at this time... We dont live in the vaccum of 4 channels of network news anymore. Those that are undecided, look for news outlets online. Drudge, is a huge mover of news...
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US Poll: Undecided voters back more action on climate change

Poll reveals crucial swing voters are much closer to Obama’s stance on climate and energy policy than that of Romney

The survey found that 80 per cent of undecided voters believe global warming is happening, while only three per cent stated that it is not happening. This is largely in line with the 86 per cent of Obama voters who believe global warming is happening, and in stark contrast to the 45 per cent of Romney voters who agree global warming is

[link to www.businessgreen.com]
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because Romeney is a lackey-stooge-dolt, and nobody will vote for him.
Obama wins by default. In a Landslide!
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This has been true for some time now.

Most right leaning people, just dont answer, very few right leaning people will ever partake in a poll.


The polls are being skewed so that when Romney wins (by a significant margin too), the dems will scream a foul, and will usher in the UN to claim election fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


You pulled that out of your butt.

Linky or you are stinky
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I heard 47% of rightwingers don't answer surveys...
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The article OP posted says it's hard for pollsters to make

If you ask me why Romney is behind: His presentation looks fake, you can see clearly it's all acted. The leaked video. Changing his opinion on certain subjects, for example: abortion.

Most people voting on Romney don't vote because of Romney, they vote Romney because they don't like Obama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22322054



Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


The VAST majority of the 47% are retired people and military folks... and yeah, it resonated with them, which is why Romney's poll numbers are declining...
 Quoting: seethelight


Our veterans arent stupid, they know that Rommney was not saying that everyone of the 47% percent that dont pay taxes, are them, but not all of the 47% need to get off the tit. It just cant be 47%... retirees, veterans, etc will still get there's.. they were promise it as we were.


They are the ones that leave team o... there future is at stake unless Rommney wins... They are smart enough to know the rich, and corporations will drasticially cut if O wins.


They arent stupid, they search for news.


The media is dead to us via the internet..
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The article OP posted says it's hard for pollsters to make

If you ask me why Romney is behind: His presentation looks fake, you can see clearly it's all acted. The leaked video. Changing his opinion on certain subjects, for example: abortion.

Most people voting on Romney don't vote because of Romney, they vote Romney because they don't like Obama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22322054



Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


The VAST majority of the 47% are retired people and military folks... and yeah, it resonated with them, which is why Romney's poll numbers are declining...
 Quoting: seethelight


Our veterans arent stupid, they know that Rommney was not saying that everyone of the 47% percent that dont pay taxes, are them, but not all of the 47% need to get off the tit. It just cant be 47%... retirees, veterans, etc will still get there's.. they were promise it as we were.


They are the ones that leave team o... there future is at stake unless Rommney wins... They are smart enough to know the rich, and corporations will drasticially cut if O wins.


They arent stupid, they search for news.


The media is dead to us via the internet..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


Only 6.9% of the 47% aren't military or retired.

Care to try again?
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It's going to be sweet to bump this topic in a few weeks, after Obama has been reelected by over 300 electoral votes.

dance
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Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


The VAST majority of the 47% are retired people and military folks... and yeah, it resonated with them, which is why Romney's poll numbers are declining...
 Quoting: seethelight


Our veterans arent stupid, they know that Rommney was not saying that everyone of the 47% percent that dont pay taxes, are them, but not all of the 47% need to get off the tit. It just cant be 47%... retirees, veterans, etc will still get there's.. they were promise it as we were.


They are the ones that leave team o... there future is at stake unless Rommney wins... They are smart enough to know the rich, and corporations will drasticially cut if O wins.


They arent stupid, they search for news.


The media is dead to us via the internet..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


Only 6.9% of the 47% aren't military or retired.

Care to try again?
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Sorry, here's the accurate figure:

Just 6.9 percent of people who are non-elderly don't pay income tax.

numbers via:

[link to blog.syracuse.com]

who took them from:

[link to www.itepnet.org]
and
[link to www.taxpolicycenter.org]

And hey guess what:

Let's take low-income and elderly households, which are particularly likely to pay no federal income taxes. Low-income households do tend to vote Democratic — when they vote. But fewer than half of individuals in households with incomes below $30,000 voted in 2008, according to the census, compared with about 60 percent of people with higher incomes. On the other hand, Romney appears to hold a lead over Obama among elderly voters, a group that votes enthusiastically.
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It's going to be sweet to bump this topic in a few weeks, after Obama has been reelected by over 300 electoral votes.

dance
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iamwith
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MSM is starting to condition people to accept O by continuously proclaimed him leading in the polls... just like they did with romney...during the repukes battle for the first position.
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The election is about the last 15%, idiots

The social shit abortion, energy, doesnt matter to them.



Its the damn economy and security... its always the issue, when that is the current news, that matters. Not news that is pushed down our throat.


there are 900 tv chanels and an internet full of news stories....


The atacks on Rommney being rich are tired and boring...especially when wee know that al politicans are rich... not one isnt.
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Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


The VAST majority of the 47% are retired people and military folks... and yeah, it resonated with them, which is why Romney's poll numbers are declining...
 Quoting: seethelight


Our veterans arent stupid, they know that Rommney was not saying that everyone of the 47% percent that dont pay taxes, are them, but not all of the 47% need to get off the tit. It just cant be 47%... retirees, veterans, etc will still get there's.. they were promise it as we were.


They are the ones that leave team o... there future is at stake unless Rommney wins... They are smart enough to know the rich, and corporations will drasticially cut if O wins.


They arent stupid, they search for news.


The media is dead to us via the internet..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


Only 6.9% of the 47% aren't military or retired.

Care to try again?
 Quoting: seethelight


thats my point... they are part of the 47%, and they realized that THEY ARE ENTITIED TO IT...

No one said that rommney didnt agree that some people should be getting entitilments... there are way too many people that didnt pay a dime or shed blood to get in...

These people will vote for Rommney, you forget that people don't just vote based on the age they are in. They also agree that 47% that dont pay taxes is utter ridiculous... they dont want it to go any higher because if it does, they loose too.
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because Romeney is a lackey-stooge-dolt, and nobody will vote for him.
Obama wins by default. In a Landslide!
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Follow the betting odds, not the polls.

So far it doesn't look good for Romney

[link to www.oddschecker.com]
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Garbage in, garbage out. Most of those bettors buy into the media spin.
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But the house is usually right on or very close. They ain't stupid. And even with a reasonable margin of error- it still don't look good for Romney
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ANyone interested in finding out, how many times the "FREE PHONES" are called on some of these phones...

Seriously, do you know anyone in your life that is enthusiasxtic to vote for O?
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I don't answer numbers that I don't recognize any more. 95% of the time it's somebody telling me I've won a cruise. I must be the luckiest guy in the world, because I've won 8 of them.
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Not as lucky as me. Every time I log in I'm the 1 millionth visitor! We rang one of these once at work - cracked up. The recorded chat was in an old woman's voice but said her name was Abdul!
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ANyone interested in finding out, how many times the "FREE PHONES" are called on some of these phones...

Seriously, do you know anyone in your life that is enthusiasxtic to vote for O?
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no. but i know a lot of people who are sick to death
about voting for that lackey stooge dolt Rommney
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I do not doubt it.

I would get survey/ pollsters to call. I did not mind a short survey. But some droned on for half an hour.

I asked , when was it to be over.
OH just a FEW more questions.. they said. Ten -fifteen minutes later...

It got to the point, if someone called.. I told them if it was short.. ok.. 30 minutes. NOPE was not wasting my time.
I guess they had to make a living.

But after awhile. when they called. I just told them "no thank you. have a nice day ".. and then hung up.

Survey is one thing. Spending the rest of your life with them is another.

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I have been called multiple times and refuse to respond.

Why?

I do not want my opinions on their record & I am not foolish enough to believe any part of it is anonymous.

From article:

..."7 – I do not respond because of potential privacy violation, that pollsters can correlate my answers with my identity; “I fear that they will use my political beliefs against my family.”...

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I have been called multiple times and refuse to respond.

Why?

I do not want my opinions on their record & I am not foolish enough to believe any part of it is anonymous.

From article:

..."7 – I do not respond because of potential privacy violation, that pollsters can correlate my answers with my identity; “I fear that they will use my political beliefs against my family.”...
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Whenever they call I just say I'm voting for Ron Paul.

They usually hang up.
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One of the most amazing — and significant — statistics of this election season has gone almost completely unnoticed:

Only 9% of sampled households gave an answer to pollsters in 2012:

It has become increasingly difficult to contact potential respondents and to persuade them to participate. The percentage of households in a sample that are successfully interviewed – the response rate – has fallen dramatically. At Pew Research, the response rate of a typical telephone survey was 36% in 1997 and is just 9% today.

The general decline in response rates is evident across nearly all types of surveys, in the United States and abroad. At the same time, greater effort and expense are required to achieve even the diminished response rates of today. These challenges have led many to question whether surveys are still providing accurate and unbiased information.

Read the rest:

[link to pjmedia.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7193106


From the actual study - for people like the OP who are either too lazy to click through or dishonest to share accurate info:

A new study by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press finds that, despite declining response rates, telephone surveys that include landlines and cell phones and are weighted to match the demographic composition of the population continue to provide accurate data on most political, social and economic measures. This comports with the consistent record of accuracy achieved by major polls when it comes to estimating election outcomes, among other things.

again:

despite declining response rates, telephone surveys that include landlines and cell phones and are weighted to match the demographic composition of the population continue to provide accurate data on most political, social and economic measures. This comports with the consistent record of accuracy achieved by major polls when it comes to estimating election outcomes, among other things.

so yeah OP, your post is bsflag
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So, how to they determine the demographics based on a telephone number? People move all the time, numbers are reassigned, etc.

How does a number determine age, gender, education level, political affiliation & so on?
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The polling is way off, because of just the above stories.

I just dont think the phone call model of polling is correct anymore, The online may be more accurate, but flawed because of "who tends to hang out there" obvously a huff post poll means nothing, as would a fox news or msnbc poll


I'm just not sure a current model will work. Too many ways to get your news fix.
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The article OP posted says it's hard for pollsters to make

If you ask me why Romney is behind: His presentation looks fake, you can see clearly it's all acted. The leaked video. Changing his opinion on certain subjects, for example: abortion.

Most people voting on Romney don't vote because of Romney, they vote Romney because they don't like Obama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22322054



Your weaknesses for Romney are his strength right now...


1. The leaked video backfired on team "O", the 12 % undecided (at this point) are tax payers, and those that feel America has way too many entitlements. The repeating of this story, stated one fact... 47% pays no taxes. It resonated with the undecided.

2. Changing your opinin on abortion is little consequence. Because 1. regardless on romneys opinion, it wont change what we have, legal abortions, based upon time frames.Do you think the hard right wont vote for him.... really do you believe that?




Obamas weakness-
economy
Fast and Furious (hispanic vote)
economy
Libya
economy




Get my point. Romney like him or not,... he took many failing fianancal intsituions from banktuptcy and some how turned around



Obamas only trump card is that ROmmney isn't a good/nice guy like me???



If you are voting against rommney because of this... you are alredy decidded. Being undecided after three and half years ofthis, it does not look good for O.


Debates may change this, but at moment, its rommney in landslide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


The VAST majority of the 47% are retired people and military folks... and yeah, it resonated with them, which is why Romney's poll numbers are declining...
 Quoting: seethelight


No. That 47% does not include retirees. That percentage is for households, non-retired, that pay NO Federal income taxes.

OBTW, military people pay Federal income taxes. Where did you get the idea that they do not?
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Re: Here is why O is ahead in the "polls"
If only 9% of anyone answers, then that is the % you start from, and deviate downward, not upward.


so of that 9% that answered (which we can all agree skew more left than right. they would call 100 people, only 9 would answer. 4 would vote 0, 4 would vote R, 2 undecided.



But what you forget, is that that by default and only getting 9%, you may be securing the automatics for O and misreprenting a large perecentage of ROmmney...

BUt retards... ie Americans, dont understand statistics, which is why Dems scream about Tax Rate, as oppose to TAX dollars. Keeping their core confused only benefits the Dem block.
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Re: Here is why O is ahead in the "polls"
Rommney has all the personality of a bannana slug.

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