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Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself
James Oliver Rigney, Jr., pen name of Robert Jordan, author of a series of books known as The Wheel of Time was a Mason. The series revolves around people who are Ta'veren, and it is very reminiscent of memes floating around at this time. I have heard that 'Robert Jordan' was 'in the know' in the secret society circles.

I'm just going to present some information to spring board off. As you read through, you will see where I am going with this.

Ta'veren : "A person around whom the Wheel of Time weaves all surrounding life-threads, perhaps ALL life-threads, to form a Web of Destiny." (TEotW, Glossary). In simpler terms, a Ta'veren is a person around whom the Pattern of the world structures itself.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Web of Destiny
A ta'veren is a central focal point for a Web of Destiny in the Pattern. These people are spun out and used by the Wheel to correct itself when the weave begins to drift from the intended Pattern. Since the purpose of ta'veren is to influence life threads to create change, the destinies of ta'veren themselves are more strictly controlled by the Wheel of Time itself than those of an average person. These Webs of Destiny (or ta'maral'ailen in the Old Tongue) are almost always arduous for those that live through that Age but are an unfortunate necessity for the Wheel. The more change required, the more ta'veren that are born.

“The Wheel of Time weaves the Pattern of the Ages, and the threads it uses are lives. It is not fixed, the Pattern, not always. If a man tries to change the direction of his life and the Pattern has room for it, the Wheel just weaves on and takes it in. There is always room for small changes, but sometimes the Pattern simply won't accept a big change, no matter how hard you try....And sometimes the Wheel bends a life-thread, or several threads, in such a way that all the surrounding threads are forced to swirl around it, and those force other threads, and those still others, and on and on. That first bending to make the Web, that is ta'veren, and there is nothing you can do to change it, not until the Pattern itself changes. The Web - ta'maral'ailen, it's called - can last for weeks, or for years. It can take in a town, or even the whole Pattern.”

—Loial to Rand Al'Thor[3]
[link to wot.wikia.com]


Ability

~ No one is born ta'veren, they are made as the Wheel needs them.

~Ta'veren affects those around them inadvertently i.e. they can cause a person to fall off a house and then get up without a scratch on them, yet someone else can easily trip over a stick and break their neck. Any action that occurs to someone because of being in the proximity of someone who is Ta'veren is only what they might have done, however improbable. For instance, if said person would never have jumped off of a building, then being close to Ta'veren would not change it. However, if said person would have jumped off the building once in million times, then being near a Ta'veren might make the person jump off of the building because however improbable the action is, it is possible for such an event to occur.

~Ta'veren generally have a great effect on probability, resulting in the perception that they have a "destiny." The ability does not seem to be consciously controllable. Rather, small quirks of fate--improbable events--combine to carry the Ta'veren in the direction that the Pattern requires.

~Strong Ta'veren can be tracked by following the trail of changes they leave in the pattern.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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There are many 'False Dragons', but only one Dragon Reborn.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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Nice (:

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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
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Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
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My guess would be the latter.
Waiting for MoL D:
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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
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My guess would be the latter.
Waiting for MoL D:
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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23779177


Personally, I can see how the concept can relate to real world.

From reading about the prophecies of this time, it definitely resonates strongly. That is why I brought up the fact that the author was masonic and was 'in the know'. Then, he expanded on the ideas and 'hid' them in his writings.

The moshiach prophecy - and others - tie very strongly to the main character of the books, and seems to be written around the prophecies of Mosiach. The Nobody meme is an nearly an exact mirror to the main character's story.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23779177


My guess would be the latter.
Waiting for MoL D:
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What's MoL?
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23779177


My guess would be the latter.
Waiting for MoL D:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21224895


What's MoL?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Mosiach of Liberation
(I'm just guessing)

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_Alive, therefore life itself.
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Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
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My guess would be the latter.
Waiting for MoL D:
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What's MoL?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Mosiach of Liberation
(I'm just guessing)
 Quoting: 1908247


That's what I mentioned above.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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There seems to be some ties to Zoroastrianism as well.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Malak Taus?

I remember looking into zoroastrianism a couple of months back
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Malak Taus?

I remember looking into zoroastrianism a couple of months back
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In these books, the main character is 100% good, but the machinations of the various agendas portray him as 'evil', as he will be the one that breaks (changes) the world.

I love one of the lines from the second book. He is a man that will break laws, break oaths, break bonds, and break the world. Something like that.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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schizophrenia
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schizophrenia
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You are a failed mystic? lol
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Good Post OP.
My real name is John Conner.
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We need some Aes Sedai from the Blue Ajah and some powerful angreals to solve the mess we're in right now.

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Mol is 'a memory of light'

The last book.

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Do you, SOS, think you may be a "Ta'veren" ? cool2
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Mol is 'a memory of light'

The last book.
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Gotcha
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

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Do you, SOS, think you may be a "Ta'veren" ? cool2
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I don't see how I could be. I sit behind a desk for work. I have a feeling that others think I may be, but I don't know why they would.

I can see patterns in information though. Guess that may be something. lol

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Hmmm...ill bump this.
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Do you, SOS, think you may be a "Ta'veren" ? cool2
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I don't see how I could be. I sit behind a desk for work. I have a feeling that others think I may be, but I don't know why they would.

I can see patterns in information though. Guess that may be something. lol
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That root ta mara also stands out...
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Do you, SOS, think you may be a "Ta'veren" ? cool2
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I don't see how I could be. I sit behind a desk for work. I have a feeling that others think I may be, but I don't know why they would.

I can see patterns in information though. Guess that may be something. lol
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You can tell by the events that seem to happen around you. You think they are just coincidences. They are never directly connected to you. They just keep happening around you and what you focus on.

It's not something that someone can tell you. It's something you only suspect but can never prove.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Do you, SOS, think you may be a "Ta'veren" ? cool2
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I don't see how I could be. I sit behind a desk for work. I have a feeling that others think I may be, but I don't know why they would.

I can see patterns in information though. Guess that may be something. lol
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


That root ta mara also stands out...
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Could you explain that?
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Arianrhod (aree AN rod), whose name means "Silver Wheel", is a Goddess of fertility, the full moon, the stars, regeneration, and reincarnation, whose pathway is an eternal quest or thread that has no beginning or end. The spirit of Arianrhod is a symbol of prophecy and dreams. As a meditative glyph, She provides a glimpse of both the past and future, but the traveler must follow the Spirit of Arianrhod with an open heart and mind. She controls the time dimension that allows access to the whirlpool of Creation; an enigmatic vision of the universe as perceived by the Celts. She is the personification of the ever-turning Wheel of the Year. This wheel was also known as the Oar Wheel, a ship that carried dead warriors to the Moon-land (Emania). She is a primal figure of female power and authority and is considered an Ancestral Goddess of the Celts. The key to the nature of this Goddess is that She is a weaver, in control of the interactions of human lives and of the matter of creation itself. In Irish tradition we find that the Goddess of the Land of Erin may manifest as a weaver. She lives in a stellar realm, Caer Arianrhod - otherwise known as the Corona Borealis, with her female attendants and there she decides the fate of the dead. The Corona Borealis is the self-same constellation that is associated with Ariadne, a Greek resonance of Arianrhod. She is a very sexual Goddess and mates freely with any man she chooses, whenever she chooses, as her body is hers to do with, as she wants. For this reason she is often in open rebellion against patriarchal society. Many believe that her myths represent the shift from the time of Celtic women's full freedom to that of male centered clans and male domination of women.


the myths aren't just myths, they're personifications of our own attributes (god/men and goddesses/women)

when we can understand them we then can understand ourselves
the major gods and goddesses transcend different cultures across time, no matter the culture/people you'll find an arianrhod in their mythology along with other prominent gods/goddesses
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Arianrhod (aree AN rod), whose name means "Silver Wheel", is a Goddess of fertility, the full moon, the stars, regeneration, and reincarnation, whose pathway is an eternal quest or thread that has no beginning or end. The spirit of Arianrhod is a symbol of prophecy and dreams. As a meditative glyph, She provides a glimpse of both the past and future, but the traveler must follow the Spirit of Arianrhod with an open heart and mind. She controls the time dimension that allows access to the whirlpool of Creation; an enigmatic vision of the universe as perceived by the Celts. She is the personification of the ever-turning Wheel of the Year. This wheel was also known as the Oar Wheel, a ship that carried dead warriors to the Moon-land (Emania). She is a primal figure of female power and authority and is considered an Ancestral Goddess of the Celts. The key to the nature of this Goddess is that She is a weaver, in control of the interactions of human lives and of the matter of creation itself. In Irish tradition we find that the Goddess of the Land of Erin may manifest as a weaver. She lives in a stellar realm, Caer Arianrhod - otherwise known as the Corona Borealis, with her female attendants and there she decides the fate of the dead. The Corona Borealis is the self-same constellation that is associated with Ariadne, a Greek resonance of Arianrhod. She is a very sexual Goddess and mates freely with any man she chooses, whenever she chooses, as her body is hers to do with, as she wants. For this reason she is often in open rebellion against patriarchal society. Many believe that her myths represent the shift from the time of Celtic women's full freedom to that of male centered clans and male domination of women.


the myths aren't just myths, they're personifications of our own attributes (god/men and goddesses/women)

when we can understand them we then can understand ourselves
the major gods and goddesses transcend different cultures across time, no matter the culture/people you'll find an arianrhod in their mythology along with other prominent gods/goddesses
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applause
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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The real question is:

How many are there in this cycle? 'The nobody' isn't just one person.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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The real question is:

How many are there in this cycle? 'The nobody' isn't just one person.
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as many as are needed :P
judging from the material SS posted :)

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