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Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself

 
Swinging on Spirals (OP)

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The real question is:

How many are there in this cycle? 'The nobody' isn't just one person.
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as many as are needed :P
judging from the material SS posted :)
 Quoting: Michael_


Actually, that's right. Whatever amount the 'Wheel' needs to accomplish the change.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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The real question is:

How many are there in this cycle? 'The nobody' isn't just one person.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


as many as are needed :P
judging from the material SS posted :)
 Quoting: Michael_


Actually, that's right. Whatever amount the 'Wheel' needs to accomplish the change.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


There could be hundreds then. 101 + 1.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Re: Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself
The real question is:

How many are there in this cycle? 'The nobody' isn't just one person.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


as many as are needed :P
judging from the material SS posted :)
 Quoting: Michael_


Actually, that's right. Whatever amount the 'Wheel' needs to accomplish the change.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


There could be hundreds then. 101 + 1.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


But, I imagine they would all vary in amount of influence.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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depending on the "assignment" the changer/shaper has :)
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as many as are needed :P
judging from the material SS posted :)
 Quoting: Michael_


Actually, that's right. Whatever amount the 'Wheel' needs to accomplish the change.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


There could be hundreds then. 101 + 1.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


But, I imagine they would all vary in amount of influence.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Layers within layers.

A spiritual hierarchy.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Actually, that's right. Whatever amount the 'Wheel' needs to accomplish the change.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


There could be hundreds then. 101 + 1.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


But, I imagine they would all vary in amount of influence.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Layers within layers.

A spiritual hierarchy.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


That be it.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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interesting thread. my oldest son is a huge RJ fan.

Note that a significant character in Tom Wolfe's "A Man in Full" was a Zoroastrian, having adopted the philosophy while educating himself in prison.
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interesting thread. my oldest son is a huge RJ fan.

Note that a significant character in Tom Wolfe's "A Man in Full" was a Zoroastrian, having adopted the philosophy while educating himself in prison.
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I'll have to look that one up.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Do you find it interesting that Lanfear was the one in the story who bored the hole into the dark ones domain?

[link to wot.wikia.com]

I thought it was an interesting spin on the garden of Eden.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Do you find it interesting that Lanfear was the one in the story who bored the hole into the dark ones domain?

[link to wot.wikia.com]

I thought it was an interesting spin on the garden of Eden.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Hmmm...she had an accomplice.

[link to wot.wikia.com]

I wonder why he is not talked about more.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Re: Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself
Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
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Dragon Reborn must bow before the Crystal Throne...hiding
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Re: Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself
RJ pulled from a lot of mythologies - so I wouldn't read too much into things.

But for the ta'veren question - I do think that there are people that seem to be the equivalent. Whether it's the wheel deciding it or something else? I'm not sure.
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Re: Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself
Is this some character in a fantasy novel?
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I am not just speaking about a character. It is a concept that the entire series revolves around, and the concept seems to be of masonic origins.

But, yes, it is a fantasy series that I can see some obvious masonic influences within.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Do you think it's a concept grounded in reality or just a fanciful idea the author used to make his story more interesting?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23779177


Personally, I can see how the concept can relate to real world.

From reading about the prophecies of this time, it definitely resonates strongly. That is why I brought up the fact that the author was masonic and was 'in the know'. Then, he expanded on the ideas and 'hid' them in his writings.

The moshiach prophecy - and others - tie very strongly to the main character of the books, and seems to be written around the prophecies of Mosiach. The Nobody meme is an nearly an exact mirror to the main character's story.
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Good Post OP.
My real name is John Conner.
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John, it's me Kyle Reese....
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Do you, SOS, think you may be a "Ta'veren" ? cool2
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I don't see how I could be. I sit behind a desk for work. I have a feeling that others think I may be, but I don't know why they would.

I can see patterns in information though. Guess that may be something. lol
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That root ta mara also stands out...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24682424


Could you explain that?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals



TAMARA (Тамара). Originally Russian, but now in wide use. It is a form of biblical Tamar (q.v.), meaning "palm-tree." Sanskrit tamara means "spice." Also see Tammara, and Tamra. Usage: America, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, England, Germany, Iran, Ireland, Macedonia, Poland, Russia, Yugoslavia.



TAMARA. Latin. Probably the same as Etruscan Tamera (q.v.), a name that has been compared to Greek δάμαρ, meaning "wife" or "married woman."
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I don't see how I could be. I sit behind a desk for work. I have a feeling that others think I may be, but I don't know why they would.

I can see patterns in information though. Guess that may be something. lol
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


That root ta mara also stands out...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24682424


Could you explain that?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals



TAMARA (Тамара). Originally Russian, but now in wide use. It is a form of biblical Tamar (q.v.), meaning "palm-tree." Sanskrit tamara means "spice." Also see Tammara, and Tamra. Usage: America, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, England, Germany, Iran, Ireland, Macedonia, Poland, Russia, Yugoslavia.



TAMARA. Latin. Probably the same as Etruscan Tamera (q.v.), a name that has been compared to Greek δάμαρ, meaning "wife" or "married woman."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24682424


Isn't that the name of one of the Prez's daughters?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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That root ta mara also stands out...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24682424


Could you explain that?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals



TAMARA (Тамара). Originally Russian, but now in wide use. It is a form of biblical Tamar (q.v.), meaning "palm-tree." Sanskrit tamara means "spice." Also see Tammara, and Tamra. Usage: America, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, England, Germany, Iran, Ireland, Macedonia, Poland, Russia, Yugoslavia.



TAMARA. Latin. Probably the same as Etruscan Tamera (q.v.), a name that has been compared to Greek δάμαρ, meaning "wife" or "married woman."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24682424


Isn't that the name of one of the Prez's daughters?
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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In the Bible, Tamara was the daughter-in-law of Judah, the widow of his sons Er and Onan, and the mother of Perez and Zerah
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hehe, seems very interesting. thanks
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hehe, seems very interesting. thanks
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I am cautious to put things like this (fantasy novel) as a post, but it has ties with 'prophecies' that are being espoused at this time.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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We need some Aes Sedai from the Blue Ajah and some powerful angreals to solve the mess we're in right now.
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you're not wrong there, bt wouldn't we need sa angreals, as more powerful
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We need some Aes Sedai from the Blue Ajah and some powerful angreals to solve the mess we're in right now.
 Quoting: Enneadeka


you're not wrong there, bt wouldn't we need sa angreals, as more powerful
 Quoting: F F S


I'm thinking a pair of Choeden Kal?

Although, maybe the answer is to just balefire things back to before all this mess got started? Maybe 1900'ish?
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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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hehe, seems very interesting. thanks
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I am cautious to put things like this (fantasy novel) as a post, but it has ties with 'prophecies' that are being espoused at this time.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


the problem is after the first 3 chapters only a few lines about the prophecies. hope it gets better :)
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Re: Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself
Interesting thread!
I am on the third book, the dragon re-born, and totally immersed in the work. I have great interest in the real history of humanity and this book paints a convincing symbolic picture. It is very powerful and I have felt it bound, enchanted with magick. It has struck me at a deep level as well as it being an interesting story.

So it does not surprise me to consider that the author is an adept.
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Interesting thread!
I am on the third book, the dragon re-born, and totally immersed in the work. I have great interest in the real history of humanity and this book paints a convincing symbolic picture. It is very powerful and I have felt it bound, enchanted with magick. It has struck me at a deep level as well as it being an interesting story.

So it does not surprise me to consider that the author is an adept.
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Just wait until the end of the book you are reading. You will probably get chills.

I remember at the end of the third book what Mat said (and was thinking) to the women. If you don't roll on the floor laughing your ass off then you don't have a great sense of humor.

Cheers and have fun reading. ;)
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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One of your threads was just deleted from the database. Do you have any idea what happened?
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One of your threads was just deleted from the database. Do you have any idea what happened?
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I was going to ask about that. And I was just posting some nonsense reply to it :C
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Swinging?...u Say you are luminati right?

Tell us why u can post here and still be in there LOOP?
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Swinging?...u Say you are luminati right?

Tell us why u can post here and still be in there LOOP?
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Tell me, what is your perception of that sWORD?

hmm


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