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Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself

 
Jonny Blaze

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this place wasnt the same while you were on Ss. hope you dont leave again over this.
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No, I'll stick around. Just got to wait on the ban to expire.
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awesome, i havent commented much on your threads since you came back but i still read them often.

is the old sicksent site still up?
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Note the use of your old name and how it was allowed to pass.

Something changed.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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anyone want to test the waters?

he he he
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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You'd be crazy if you left now. :D
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lol
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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Yes. I c.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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Yes. I c.
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that be it.
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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Yes. I c.
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i got banned back then cause i started a thread that "something weird is going on, think i might delete my accoutn etc."

lasted 5 mins, deleted and then banned.
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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Yes. I c.
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i got banned back then cause i started a thread that "something weird is going on, think i might delete my accoutn etc."

lasted 5 mins, deleted and then banned.
 Quoting: Oyster


I've been banned at least 4 times. Maybe more. I stopped counting.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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i seriously thought something fishy was going on and a tarded-out about it.

maybe there was or maybe not, i dont know.
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this
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Yes. I c.
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i got banned back then cause i started a thread that "something weird is going on, think i might delete my accoutn etc."

lasted 5 mins, deleted and then banned.
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I've been banned at least 4 times. Maybe more. I stopped counting.
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3 for me.

the word oyster has always been part of my name
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i seriously thought something fishy was going on and a tarded-out about it.

maybe there was or maybe not, i dont know.
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There's always something fishy going on in this place.

That's why we all swim around here.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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i seriously thought something fishy was going on and a tarded-out about it.

maybe there was or maybe not, i dont know.
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There's always something fishy going on in this place.

That's why we all swim around here.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


LOL, true.

we are probably treading dangerous waters right now actually
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i seriously thought something fishy was going on and a tarded-out about it.

maybe there was or maybe not, i dont know.
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There's always something fishy going on in this place.

That's why we all swim around here.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


LOL, true.

we are probably treading dangerous waters right now actually
 Quoting: Oyster


No doubt. ;)
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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i seriously thought something fishy was going on and a tarded-out about it.

maybe there was or maybe not, i dont know.
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There's always something fishy going on in this place.

That's why we all swim around here.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


LOL, true.

we are probably treading dangerous waters right now actually
 Quoting: Oyster


No doubt. ;)
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


i've heard some very logical explanations for bans straight from Trin himself at different times. but not for the T word.

i imagine that is part of the allure though, if i were him i would let people speculate too. adds mystery whether it is true or not.
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There's always something fishy going on in this place.

That's why we all swim around here.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


LOL, true.

we are probably treading dangerous waters right now actually
 Quoting: Oyster


No doubt. ;)
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


i've heard some very logical explanations for bans straight from Trin himself at different times. but not for the T word.

i imagine that is part of the allure though, if i were him i would let people speculate too. adds mystery whether it is true or not.
 Quoting: Oyster


They allow speculation to a point. But then the bans start again causing one line of speculation to turn into many.

You have to respect it. The site seems to recognize the inherent dangers of clarity.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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Yes. I c.
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tounge


Seems I missed the offending thread...

hmm
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Or was a c supposed to be in there?
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this
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Yes. I c.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


tounge


Seems I missed the offending thread...

hmm
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So did I. Oh well, the wheel weaves.

Shit I can't stop saying that on this thread!!!
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Yes. I c.
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tounge


Seems I missed the offending thread...

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


So did I. Oh well, the wheel weaves.

Shit I can't stop saying that on this thread!!!
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


:)



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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
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What the? Would you care to share?
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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
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What the? Would you care to share?
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i was thinking the same thing.
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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
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What the? Would you care to share?
 Quoting: Aggieranch


Sure. Here ya go.

February 3, 1998

The Spinning of a Black Box.

The roaring/rushing sound started in the dream seemingly caused from an object flying towards me. The object buzzed without sound but instead with a feeling that reverberated inside my head. It brought me to lucidity.

Conscious remembrance of the dream starts with me standing in a field. There was a strange airplane that was heading towards me at perhaps ten feet above the ground. As I remember the plane in my mind’s eye, I remember to be a UFO, though in the dream I took it to be some misshaped plane. It lands in the field about thirty yards from me. It is back dropped by woods. It starts to come towards me again floating low over the field grass.

I am startled awake, the buzz that it emanated now louder than ever. A vibration is going throughout my body. The frequency of the vibrations is matching the roaring in my skull. I couldn’t move. Sleep Paralysis. I know an altered state of consciousness is extremely close at hand. I concentrate hard on not falling back asleep. I am not in fear, but anxiety is coursing through my thoughts. At the same moment I can barely keep my eyes open. It is a struggle to not drift off.

I look out the window that is at the foot of my bed and catch a light blinking that I don’t remember ever having been there before. A small ‘black box’ comes into view. It is really just a pinpoint of darkness when I first see it, but it grows quickly as if it is moving towards me, not actually getting larger. It is difficult to figure it out because there is no frame of reference. When it gets to a certain size, about the size of a fist, it stops moving forward, or stops getting larger. It seems to be spinning about 18 inches above my chest. It is not spinning on an axis like a diamond; rather it is spinning flat, like a black cube its sides parallel with the ground. I try to reach my arms up through the sleep paralysis to try and get my hands wrapped around it. It is a struggle but I do get my hands up to it. Strangely I cannot see my arms or hands, but I know they are reaching out for it, I could feel them lifting up. I try to wrap my hands around the spinning black box and cup it. It feels like grabbing a ball of energy. Not energy as in electricity, but energy as in a magnetic field. Soft, giving, though pushing my invisible hands away as if they are gently repelled. The harder I try and close my hands around it, the stronger the force repelling them gets. The feeling is like putting two magnets together like pole to like pole, and the soft pushing away you get from them.

Instantly the roaring stops. My hands and arms are at my side like they were never lifted up. The spinning black box is gone. I have not moved in position since the UFO dream startled me awake. It was that same feeling of being in two places at one time.

I lay there for awhile trying to figure out what the hell I just experienced. To this day, I cannot explain it.

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James Oliver Rigney, Jr., pen name of Robert Jordan, author of a series of books known as The Wheel of Time was a Mason. The series revolves around people who are Ta'veren, and it is very reminiscent of memes floating around at this time. I have heard that 'Robert Jordan' was 'in the know' in the secret society circles.

I'm just going to present some information to spring board off. As you read through, you will see where I am going with this.

Ta'veren : "A person around whom the Wheel of Time weaves all surrounding life-threads, perhaps ALL life-threads, to form a Web of Destiny." (TEotW, Glossary). In simpler terms, a Ta'veren is a person around whom the Pattern of the world structures itself.
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Web of Destiny
A ta'veren is a central focal point for a Web of Destiny in the Pattern. These people are spun out and used by the Wheel to correct itself when the weave begins to drift from the intended Pattern. Since the purpose of ta'veren is to influence life threads to create change, the destinies of ta'veren themselves are more strictly controlled by the Wheel of Time itself than those of an average person. These Webs of Destiny (or ta'maral'ailen in the Old Tongue) are almost always arduous for those that live through that Age but are an unfortunate necessity for the Wheel. The more change required, the more ta'veren that are born.

“The Wheel of Time weaves the Pattern of the Ages, and the threads it uses are lives. It is not fixed, the Pattern, not always. If a man tries to change the direction of his life and the Pattern has room for it, the Wheel just weaves on and takes it in. There is always room for small changes, but sometimes the Pattern simply won't accept a big change, no matter how hard you try....And sometimes the Wheel bends a life-thread, or several threads, in such a way that all the surrounding threads are forced to swirl around it, and those force other threads, and those still others, and on and on. That first bending to make the Web, that is ta'veren, and there is nothing you can do to change it, not until the Pattern itself changes. The Web - ta'maral'ailen, it's called - can last for weeks, or for years. It can take in a town, or even the whole Pattern.”

—Loial to Rand Al'Thor[3]
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Ability

~ No one is born ta'veren, they are made as the Wheel needs them.

~Ta'veren affects those around them inadvertently i.e. they can cause a person to fall off a house and then get up without a scratch on them, yet someone else can easily trip over a stick and break their neck. Any action that occurs to someone because of being in the proximity of someone who is Ta'veren is only what they might have done, however improbable. For instance, if said person would never have jumped off of a building, then being close to Ta'veren would not change it. However, if said person would have jumped off the building once in million times, then being near a Ta'veren might make the person jump off of the building because however improbable the action is, it is possible for such an event to occur.

~Ta'veren generally have a great effect on probability, resulting in the perception that they have a "destiny." The ability does not seem to be consciously controllable. Rather, small quirks of fate--improbable events--combine to carry the Ta'veren in the direction that the Pattern requires.

~Strong Ta'veren can be tracked by following the trail of changes they leave in the pattern.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


just like neo in the matrix
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Maybe something like that, DPS. Everything converges through the Ta'veren.
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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798
What the? Would you care to share?
 Quoting: Aggieranch


Sure. Here ya go.

February 3, 1998

The Spinning of a Black Box.

The roaring/rushing sound started in the dream seemingly caused from an object flying towards me. The object buzzed without sound but instead with a feeling that reverberated inside my head. It brought me to lucidity.

Conscious remembrance of the dream starts with me standing in a field. There was a strange airplane that was heading towards me at perhaps ten feet above the ground. As I remember the plane in my mind’s eye, I remember to be a UFO, though in the dream I took it to be some misshaped plane. It lands in the field about thirty yards from me. It is back dropped by woods. It starts to come towards me again floating low over the field grass.

I am startled awake, the buzz that it emanated now louder than ever. A vibration is going throughout my body. The frequency of the vibrations is matching the roaring in my skull. I couldn’t move. Sleep Paralysis. I know an altered state of consciousness is extremely close at hand. I concentrate hard on not falling back asleep. I am not in fear, but anxiety is coursing through my thoughts. At the same moment I can barely keep my eyes open. It is a struggle to not drift off.

I look out the window that is at the foot of my bed and catch a light blinking that I don’t remember ever having been there before. A small ‘black box’ comes into view. It is really just a pinpoint of darkness when I first see it, but it grows quickly as if it is moving towards me, not actually getting larger. It is difficult to figure it out because there is no frame of reference. When it gets to a certain size, about the size of a fist, it stops moving forward, or stops getting larger. It seems to be spinning about 18 inches above my chest. It is not spinning on an axis like a diamond; rather it is spinning flat, like a black cube its sides parallel with the ground. I try to reach my arms up through the sleep paralysis to try and get my hands wrapped around it. It is a struggle but I do get my hands up to it. Strangely I cannot see my arms or hands, but I know they are reaching out for it, I could feel them lifting up. I try to wrap my hands around the spinning black box and cup it. It feels like grabbing a ball of energy. Not energy as in electricity, but energy as in a magnetic field. Soft, giving, though pushing my invisible hands away as if they are gently repelled. The harder I try and close my hands around it, the stronger the force repelling them gets. The feeling is like putting two magnets together like pole to like pole, and the soft pushing away you get from them.

Instantly the roaring stops. My hands and arms are at my side like they were never lifted up. The spinning black box is gone. I have not moved in position since the UFO dream startled me awake. It was that same feeling of being in two places at one time.

I lay there for awhile trying to figure out what the hell I just experienced. To this day, I cannot explain it.

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 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798


It seems that your cubic centimeter of chance is larger than a cubic centimeter.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Chance for what?
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I had a strange dream sometime around '98 that I have never written down.

It was the most lucid dream I had ever had and reading about your dream brings it to the forefront of my mind.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Chance for what?
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Freedom of course. ;)
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.

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