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Ta'veren - a person around whom the Pattern of the World structures itself

 
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I had a strange dream sometime around '98 that I have never written down.

It was the most lucid dream I had ever had and reading about your dream brings it to the forefront of my mind.
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This wasn't a dream. More like a semi-out of body experience.
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Chance for what?
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Freedom of course. ;)
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wow.

the spinning box reminds me of this childhood memory i have. it's been so long that i honestly cant remember if it was a dream or if it really happened but:

i was riding in a car with my now deceased grandmother, i dont remember where we were but it was far from home....that much i do remember. as we were driving along there was this giant isosceles shaped pyramid hovering about the trees and it was SPINNING there in mid air. i pointed it out to my grandmother but she didnt seem to think it was odd and we drove past.


the adult me knows that it had to be a dream. i didnt take road trips with my grandmother as a child and i have no recolection of where we were going or where we were at that time.
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I had a strange dream sometime around '98 that I have never written down.

It was the most lucid dream I had ever had and reading about your dream brings it to the forefront of my mind.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This wasn't a dream. More like a semi-out of body experience.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798


Hmmm. Well the dream I am thinking of began in the room I was sleeping in. That has never happened before or since.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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wow.

the spinning box reminds me of this childhood memory i have. it's been so long that i honestly cant remember if it was a dream or if it really happened but:

i was riding in a car with my now deceased grandmother, i dont remember where we were but it was far from home....that much i do remember. as we were driving along there was this giant isosceles shaped pyramid hovering about the trees and it was SPINNING there in mid air. i pointed it out to my grandmother but she didnt seem to think it was odd and we drove past.


the adult me knows that it had to be a dream. i didnt take road trips with my grandmother as a child and i have no recolection of where we were going or where we were at that time.
 Quoting: Oyster


Can you remember when this dream happened Oyster?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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How could you recognize them as Ta'veren?
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Generally they are not to recognize themselves ahead of time. Those who do shouldn't be the type to go around boasting about it. You could say there are always more 'on deck,' like a very robust fail-safe mechanism.

It is... unnerving, to say the least, when one realizes as a child that a simple intention can affect those around.
 Quoting: The Gallows


But how could you tell a Ta'veren what they should and shouldn't do?

Isn't that the point of it all? The wheel weaves as the wheel will's and all.

A Ta'veren destiny is fixed. At least, that's the concept. Such a person has little room to maneuver. That person has a path that they must walk. The only challenge being how far they can go.

By the way, when you type Ta'veren and see the red wavy line underneath it...the spell check suggestion is 'Reverent'.
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I dont think it is "fixed". Free will still exists. Not to mention, I think every possible option of human history is happening/happened at the same time our history happens.

In one timeline G.W. Bush was a great president. In another Abraham Lincoln let slavery live on. etc.

Every timeline/option "lays on top" of our current time line.

IMHO.

How could you recognize them as Ta'veren?

REPOST, I broke my quote.
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The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates

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wow.

the spinning box reminds me of this childhood memory i have. it's been so long that i honestly cant remember if it was a dream or if it really happened but:

i was riding in a car with my now deceased grandmother, i dont remember where we were but it was far from home....that much i do remember. as we were driving along there was this giant isosceles shaped pyramid hovering about the trees and it was SPINNING there in mid air. i pointed it out to my grandmother but she didnt seem to think it was odd and we drove past.


the adult me knows that it had to be a dream. i didnt take road trips with my grandmother as a child and i have no recolection of where we were going or where we were at that time.
 Quoting: Oyster


Can you remember when this dream happened Oyster?
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i was young, less than 10 years old. i think about it from time to time. there are a handful of dreams i had in childhood that i can remember, they stood out for whatever reason.
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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SOS so do you see the spinning/tossed dice in your head? hiding
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798
What the? Would you care to share?
 Quoting: Aggieranch


Sure. Here ya go.

February 3, 1998

The Spinning of a Black Box.

The roaring/rushing sound started in the dream seemingly caused from an object flying towards me. The object buzzed without sound but instead with a feeling that reverberated inside my head. It brought me to lucidity.

Conscious remembrance of the dream starts with me standing in a field. There was a strange airplane that was heading towards me at perhaps ten feet above the ground. As I remember the plane in my mind’s eye, I remember to be a UFO, though in the dream I took it to be some misshaped plane. It lands in the field about thirty yards from me. It is back dropped by woods. It starts to come towards me again floating low over the field grass.

I am startled awake, the buzz that it emanated now louder than ever. A vibration is going throughout my body. The frequency of the vibrations is matching the roaring in my skull. I couldn’t move. Sleep Paralysis. I know an altered state of consciousness is extremely close at hand. I concentrate hard on not falling back asleep. I am not in fear, but anxiety is coursing through my thoughts. At the same moment I can barely keep my eyes open. It is a struggle to not drift off.

I look out the window that is at the foot of my bed and catch a light blinking that I don’t remember ever having been there before. A small ‘black box’ comes into view. It is really just a pinpoint of darkness when I first see it, but it grows quickly as if it is moving towards me, not actually getting larger. It is difficult to figure it out because there is no frame of reference. When it gets to a certain size, about the size of a fist, it stops moving forward, or stops getting larger. It seems to be spinning about 18 inches above my chest. It is not spinning on an axis like a diamond; rather it is spinning flat, like a black cube its sides parallel with the ground. I try to reach my arms up through the sleep paralysis to try and get my hands wrapped around it. It is a struggle but I do get my hands up to it. Strangely I cannot see my arms or hands, but I know they are reaching out for it, I could feel them lifting up. I try to wrap my hands around the spinning black box and cup it. It feels like grabbing a ball of energy. Not energy as in electricity, but energy as in a magnetic field. Soft, giving, though pushing my invisible hands away as if they are gently repelled. The harder I try and close my hands around it, the stronger the force repelling them gets. The feeling is like putting two magnets together like pole to like pole, and the soft pushing away you get from them.

Instantly the roaring stops. My hands and arms are at my side like they were never lifted up. The spinning black box is gone. I have not moved in position since the UFO dream startled me awake. It was that same feeling of being in two places at one time.

I lay there for awhile trying to figure out what the hell I just experienced. To this day, I cannot explain it.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1511582

 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798

Interesting and strange. Have you ever experienced the black cube again?
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
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No, but I did have an experience with a spinning black cube about the size of a large fist.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798
What the? Would you care to share?
 Quoting: Aggieranch


Sure. Here ya go.

February 3, 1998

The Spinning of a Black Box.

The roaring/rushing sound started in the dream seemingly caused from an object flying towards me. The object buzzed without sound but instead with a feeling that reverberated inside my head. It brought me to lucidity.

Conscious remembrance of the dream starts with me standing in a field. There was a strange airplane that was heading towards me at perhaps ten feet above the ground. As I remember the plane in my mind’s eye, I remember to be a UFO, though in the dream I took it to be some misshaped plane. It lands in the field about thirty yards from me. It is back dropped by woods. It starts to come towards me again floating low over the field grass.

I am startled awake, the buzz that it emanated now louder than ever. A vibration is going throughout my body. The frequency of the vibrations is matching the roaring in my skull. I couldn’t move. Sleep Paralysis. I know an altered state of consciousness is extremely close at hand. I concentrate hard on not falling back asleep. I am not in fear, but anxiety is coursing through my thoughts. At the same moment I can barely keep my eyes open. It is a struggle to not drift off.

I look out the window that is at the foot of my bed and catch a light blinking that I don’t remember ever having been there before. A small ‘black box’ comes into view. It is really just a pinpoint of darkness when I first see it, but it grows quickly as if it is moving towards me, not actually getting larger. It is difficult to figure it out because there is no frame of reference. When it gets to a certain size, about the size of a fist, it stops moving forward, or stops getting larger. It seems to be spinning about 18 inches above my chest. It is not spinning on an axis like a diamond; rather it is spinning flat, like a black cube its sides parallel with the ground. I try to reach my arms up through the sleep paralysis to try and get my hands wrapped around it. It is a struggle but I do get my hands up to it. Strangely I cannot see my arms or hands, but I know they are reaching out for it, I could feel them lifting up. I try to wrap my hands around the spinning black box and cup it. It feels like grabbing a ball of energy. Not energy as in electricity, but energy as in a magnetic field. Soft, giving, though pushing my invisible hands away as if they are gently repelled. The harder I try and close my hands around it, the stronger the force repelling them gets. The feeling is like putting two magnets together like pole to like pole, and the soft pushing away you get from them.

Instantly the roaring stops. My hands and arms are at my side like they were never lifted up. The spinning black box is gone. I have not moved in position since the UFO dream startled me awake. It was that same feeling of being in two places at one time.

I lay there for awhile trying to figure out what the hell I just experienced. To this day, I cannot explain it.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1511582

 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798

Interesting and strange. Have you ever experienced the black cube again?
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No, just that one time. And, I've had hundreds and hundreds of very strange experiences, but never again with the cube.

Seer (I think) knows a video that references a cube. It's the only thing I found about it, though Apollo matched it up with something if I remember.

My 'intuitive' thoughts tells me the cube contained unbelievable amounts of information. But, I just don't know.
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The author might have gotten the idea of the Ta'veren, from the Lamed Vavniks of Jewish lore.

Lamed Vav are the Hebrew letters for 36. According to legend, there must be 36 righteous men on the Earth at all times, otherwise the Elohim would grow bored with our world and it would cease to exist.

When a Lamed Vavnik realizes that he is one of the 36, he dies. Hopefully, another comes along to replace him.
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798
Some "random" AC.
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So much to read. And i am only allowed so much time to read per day now. I stay up latter than usual these days trying to read up as much as i can and yet more info keeps coming to light.

I will go with my intuition and read what i feel is most important at the time.

It's funny, because at one point in time, not to long ago, I was looking for some good info to read up on. Now i am becoming flooded with it.

I guess i got what i asked for, lol
"I posit that the human being has the capability to utilize the ''real eyes'' to ''realize'' and see through the ''real lies'' ...The ''real eyes'' can only become operational when the heart and higher mind are in synchronized, which requires dual brain hemisphere synchronization."~Danial

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So much to read. And i am only allowed so much time to read per day now. I stay up latter than usual these days trying to read up as much as i can and yet more info keeps coming to light.

I will go with my intuition and read what i feel is most important at the time.

It's funny, because at one point in time, not to long ago, I was looking for some good info to read up on. Now i am becoming flooded with it.

I guess i got what i asked for, lol
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lol, I've gone through that as well. I ran out of stuff a while ago, but now my reading list is long, long, long.
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798


Not sure, you replied to it.

I remember thinking it could get you in hot water.
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798


Not sure, you replied to it.

I remember thinking it could get you in hot water.
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I know. I felt dangerous at the time. Livin on the edge.



chuckle
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
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Not sure, you replied to it.

I remember thinking it could get you in hot water.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


I know. I felt dangerous at the time. Livin on the edge.



chuckle
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That's right SOS! You are Dangerous!
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798


Not sure, you replied to it.

I remember thinking it could get you in hot water.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


I know. I felt dangerous at the time. Livin on the edge.



chuckle
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I am starting to feel there very well may be more than one select individual that some are looking for this time around to help push them in the right direction of understanding. Individuals who would help them to see what they are having trouble seeing on their own due to not having used that part of their mind for so long because of society causing us to view things incorrectly, as in the material instead of the spiritually physical aspect.

That is all i have to say for now.

Peace:)

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[link to www.mistresskalpanasrealm.com]

Arianrhod (aree AN rod), whose name means "Silver Wheel", is a Goddess of fertility, the full moon, the stars, regeneration, and reincarnation, whose pathway is an eternal quest or thread that has no beginning or end. The spirit of Arianrhod is a symbol of prophecy and dreams. As a meditative glyph, She provides a glimpse of both the past and future, but the traveler must follow the Spirit of Arianrhod with an open heart and mind. She controls the time dimension that allows access to the whirlpool of Creation; an enigmatic vision of the universe as perceived by the Celts. She is the personification of the ever-turning Wheel of the Year. This wheel was also known as the Oar Wheel, a ship that carried dead warriors to the Moon-land (Emania). She is a primal figure of female power and authority and is considered an Ancestral Goddess of the Celts. The key to the nature of this Goddess is that She is a weaver, in control of the interactions of human lives and of the matter of creation itself. In Irish tradition we find that the Goddess of the Land of Erin may manifest as a weaver. She lives in a stellar realm, Caer Arianrhod - otherwise known as the Corona Borealis, with her female attendants and there she decides the fate of the dead. The Corona Borealis is the self-same constellation that is associated with Ariadne, a Greek resonance of Arianrhod. She is a very sexual Goddess and mates freely with any man she chooses, whenever she chooses, as her body is hers to do with, as she wants. For this reason she is often in open rebellion against patriarchal society. Many believe that her myths represent the shift from the time of Celtic women's full freedom to that of male centered clans and male domination of women.


the myths aren't just myths, they're personifications of our own attributes (god/men and goddesses/women)

when we can understand them we then can understand ourselves
the major gods and goddesses transcend different cultures across time, no matter the culture/people you'll find an arianrhod in their mythology along with other prominent gods/goddesses
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I think you ruffled feathers yesterday before the thread you made..."The SHILLS on this site are slippin. We see you." thread.
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Who made that thread?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798


Not sure, you replied to it.

I remember thinking it could get you in hot water.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


I know. I felt dangerous at the time. Livin on the edge.



chuckle
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I don't think anything has disappeared as fast as my first AI thread.

Sometimes they're signs and sometimes they are dead ends.
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so how does a ta'veren stop being a ta'veren?
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thank you for this post- i have been trying to understand why when i wake up i see clearly the "patterns" of the world around me.

there is much i have called to do/not do especially since these patterns appeared. now i understand.
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so how does a ta'veren stop being a ta'veren?
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They can't. It is like a destiny that you cannot escape.
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so how does a ta'veren stop being a ta'veren?
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Ta'veren changes the probability of something happening, e.g. they can cause a person to fall off a house and then get up without a scratch on them, yet someone else can easily trip over a stick and break their neck. This implies that ta'veren do not make the impossible happen, though the improbable may be perceived as "impossible."
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so how does a ta'veren stop being a ta'veren?
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They can't. It is like a destiny that you cannot escape.
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Not while you're alive anyway. Only death gives you an opportunity...if you're brave enough to venture out into the unknowable infinity.

If not, then back into the wheel you go to be spun out again...

...right?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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so how does a ta'veren stop being a ta'veren?
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They can't. It is like a destiny that you cannot escape.
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Not while you're alive anyway. Only death gives you an opportunity...if you're brave enough to venture out into the unknowable infinity.

If not, then back into the wheel you go to be spun out again...

...right?
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According to the books, back into the wheel you go, until your destiny is fulfilled.

We can look at 'destiny' as the reconciliation of karma.
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briefly looked over the Wheel of Time wiki. looks pretty interesting.

might have to check that out when i get done with the series i just started.
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Very interesting!

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