Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?

tisk tisk! It was covered in the Urantia Book.

Angel of the Lord just means "messenger of the Lord". "Micha-el" just means "one who is like a god". Michael is not God almighty. God almighty is nameless, formless, eternal spirit.

The fact that Urantia book and Jehova's Witness agree on something biblical proves in itself that what they are saying is bullshit.

I have read in the Urantia Book that Jesus was "Christ Michael"! I have also read that another name for Michael is Melkezedek! It may be that they are refering more so to "titles" here than actual individual personalities!

I did a search in the UB and i found only "The archangle of Michael" Not the archangle Michael.

3. The Archangels

(408.4) 37:3.1 Archangels are the offspring of the Creator Son and the Universe Mother Spirit. They are the highest type of high spirit being produced in large numbers in a local universe, and at the time of the last registry there were almost eight hundred thousand in Nebadon.

(408.5) 37:3.2 Archangels are one of the few groups of local universe personalities who are not normally under the jurisdiction of Gabriel. They are not in any manner concerned with the routine administration of the universe, being dedicated to the work of creature survival and to the furtherance of the ascending career of the mortals of time and space. While not ordinarily subject to the direction of the Bright and Morning Star, the archangels do sometimes function by his authority. They also collaborate with others of the Universe Aids, such as the Evening Stars, as is illustrated by certain transactions depicted in the narrative of life transplantation on your world...

(409.3) 37:3.6 Two senior archangels are always assigned as the personal aids of a Paradise Avonal on all planetary missions, whether involving judicial actions, magisterial missions, or bestowal incarnations. When this Paradise Son has finished the judgment of a realm and the dead are called to record (the so-called resurrection), it is literally true that the seraphic guardians of the slumbering personalities respond to “the voice of the archangel.” The roll call of a dispensation termination is promulgated by an attendant archangel. This is the archangel of the resurrection, sometimes referred to as the “archangel of Michael.”

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Last Edited by Orange on 10/03/2012 12:27 PM

Christ Michael of Nebadon...is he here yet? I was told, secretly, that he is and has been for over 30 years. Is this true?

-uninspired gnostic text.

Michael is another name for Jesus. All the early Christians knew this. Christians today have only forgotten.

Read John 5:18-25 where Jesus returns with the sound of the archangel.

It looks like a difficult passage some could misunderstand, but the NT makes clear Jesus returns as the archangel, i.e. chief of angels.

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The verse in Daniel clearly states that Michael is only one of a group of chief princes, so this cannot apply to Jesus, since there are no other "princes" on his level. Also see the first chapter of Hebrews which draws a sharp line between Jesus and any angelic being.

Michael and Metatron in the jewish tradition:

In the Hebrew Bible Michael is mentioned three times in the Book of Daniel, once as a "great prince who stands up for the children of your people". The idea that Michael was the advocate of the Jews became so prevalent that in spite of the rabbinical prohibition against appealing to angels as intermediaries between God and his people, Michael came to occupy a certain place in the Jewish liturgy.

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The Babylonian Talmud mentions Metatron in two other places: Sanhedrin 38b and Avodah Zarah 3b. Yevamot 16b describes in the Amoraic period (200-500CE) the duties of "prince of the world" being transferred from Michael to Metatron.

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Well if he is I met him in a dream one night

All angels are created beings (by God). Jesus existed with God before the universe and angels were created. Read John 1.

"Before...? After...?"

Suffice to say, creation is made around the sun/son, which is co-creator, always in the center! And creation sustains itself.

It matters not to place something before or after another. Specially because notion of "time" there would be completely different from what we know.

Maybe your belief is stupid?

none of the above.


Michael of Nebadon played the role of Jesus. He incarnated here 2000 years ago. He is FATHER GOD of Nebadon, OUR creator son. There are 700,000 creator sons, each over a portion of the creation, which are called Local Universes. Greator Sons parentage is FAther and Son of the Trinity.

Jesus does not live, as the name of the BODY 2000 years ago. It was never the name anyway. AA Michael is the Arch Angel supervising the Resurrection of this world.

Jesus Christ WAS WAS WAS, get that, Michael o Nebadon is is NOT St MIchael the Arch Angel.

This is very powerful and all you need to know. Jesus is The Word Amen

Exactly. All angels are ministering spirits, there are holy ones and evil ones. The holy ones are sent as our guardians. And they "possess" us mortals on occasion. It is just like when Superman goes into the phone booth as "Clark Kent", the dorky guy, and steps out a "Superman" or like Peter Parker changing into Spider Man.

These characters are modeled/scripted from biblical concepts. It is everyday ordinary people being "overshadowed" by angelic forces. You do not worship them. They are not your savior. They work FOR Jesus, who is sitting at the right hand of God, doing the "directing".

I honestly am not your "comic book fantasy fan" either. I have never been one to even keep up with what happens on tv and Hollywood so don't bother calling me a "Comicon dork" or whatever you call them.(I don't even know what you guys call them).

Remember, "devils" is just another word for "evil angels", therefore holy angels are mechanically wired like evil ones. They each "possess" people. Moses was a prophet who was "overshadowed" or possessed by Michael the Archangel it appears.



It doesn't take long to figure out that the Hollywood characters are modeled/scripted from biblical characters.

Jesus returns at the second coming with the shout of the archangel. Daniel 12 says Michael stands up.

It is you who has forgotten the once well known Bible truth Michael is preincarnate Jesus.

various views

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For me it is a closed deal that Jesus returns at the Second Coming. Jesus does battle with Satan. Jesus leads the angels in battle as the archangel or chief of the angels. Archangel is NOT an angel or created being. The Hebrew means literally "chief of the angels".

This is Jesus SENDING his VOICE by way of his SERVANT Michael the Archangel. Jesus picks up the phone from his desk at the head office/command center and tells his servant what to say, the THE WORD get's delivered via the servant Michael.

Just like if you go to Burger King and order a Whopper. The kid taking your order and delivering your food is not THE Burger King, but he just is dressed like him or "conformed to his likeness"... and the kid decides if you get your burger or not one he counts up the money, then you get your burger.

It is clearly stated that when you are hearing the words of a prophet, that you are hearing the VOICE OF GOD. So when you refuse to reverence him that speaks God's word, you are not reverencing God.

So no, Jesus is not an angel. He is God commanding his angels.

What stupid question. No, Jesus is not Michael the archangel. He's the Messiah.

Some here are under the mistaken belief they are debunking some new false JW or SDA doctrine. In fact the Bible truth about Michael/Jesus was well known among most all Christians at the time the JW & SDA denominations formed in the mid-1800, soon forgotten by all other denominations with the advent of Scofield's Christian-Zionism, 1900.

It is You Who has been led into darkness; after a false Israel and forgetting long held Bible truth.

Many Bible commentators BEFORE SDA or JW understood Michael/Jesus.



Matthew Henry (c.1700)

Here is Michael our prince, the great protector of the church, and the patron of its just but injured cause: The first of the chief princes, v.13. Some understand it of a created angel, but an archangel of the highest order, 1 Th. 4:16; Jude 9. Others think that Michael the archangel is no other than Christ himself, the angel of the covenant, and the Lord of the angels, he whom Daniel saw in vision, v. 5. He came to help me (v.13); and there is none but he that holds with me in these things, v.21. Christ is the church’s prince; angels are not.

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John Gill (c.1770)

Michael one of the chief Princes, came to help me;
called in the New Testament an Archangel, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is "one", or "the first of the chief Princes", superior to angels, in nature, name, and office; he came to "help" Gabriel, not as a fellow creature, but as the Lord of hosts; not as a fellow soldier, but as General of the armies in heaven and earth, as superior to him in wisdom and strength; and he helped him by giving him fresh counsels, orders, and instructions, which he following succeeded:


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Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up
The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ; who is as God, as the name signifies, truly and really God, and equal in nature, power, and glory, to his divine Father:

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Adam Clarke (c.1830)

"But lo, Michael" - Gabriel, who speaks, did not leave Cyrus till Michael came to take his place. Michael, he who is like God, sometimes appears to signify the Messiah, at other times the highest or chief archangel. Indeed there is no archangel mentioned in the whole Scripture but this one.

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Geneva Bible notes (1599)

10:13 But the h prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, (i) Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

(i) Even though God could by one angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love he sends forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels.

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Daniel 12

12:1 And at that (a) time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

(a) The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ’s coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel.

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12:7 And there was war in heaven: (14) Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

(14) Christ is the Prince of angels and head of the Church, who bears that iron rod (Revelation 12:5).

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True true :P

Well said, AC. There is no "well known Bible truth" of Michael being anything but a created angel. A lot of misinterpretation comes from bad logic or reading comprehension.

Plus, a CorruptRoman Papal Office bent on keeping the truth from mankind controling its translations since the council of Niacea.

There can't be evil angels after a Creator Son became a Master son, what hapened 2,000 years ago with Jesus/Michael:

(241.3) 21:5.9 After his elevation to settled sovereignty in a local universe a Paradise Michael is in full control of all other Sons of God functioning in his domain, and he may freely rule in accordance with his concept of the needs of his realms.

A Master Son may at will vary the order of the spiritual adjudication and evolutionary adjustment of the inhabited planets.

And such Sons do make and carry out the plans of their own choosing in all matters of special planetary needs, in particular regarding the worlds of their creature sojourn and still more concerning the realm of terminal bestowal, the planet of incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh.

[link to www.urantia.org]

Give me evidence that either Jesus or Michael existed in historical records.

There are 1 1/2 billion of christians on the planet.
The New Testament and the Urantia Papers.

Last Edited by Orange on 10/04/2012 05:58 PM

Yes, translations have been where the real problem is, but it isn't just the RCC that still continues this evil practice. I've made a translation of most of the NT myself mainly to practice Koine Greek and to research the many deliberate misleading translation choices that have been made over the centuries:
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Perhaps the biggest crime in this regard outside of the RCC has been the United Bible Societies, who sometimes made changes without following their own rules, and when they are caught (sometimes after many decades), they quietly correct them without ever telling people what they had done. Who knows where the "orders" ultimately come from, though.

At least we have access to the earliest extant manuscripts, and to quality lexicons, which we can use to keep the liars in check.

So are you saying mankind is so stupid they're still fighting over some made up character from 2000 years ago.

Wow, you know in that light, man really looks stupid considering the power the vatican still holds.