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I need help understanding the 7 Churches part of the Revelation

 
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I need help understanding the 7 Churches part of the Revelation
Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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try here>> [link to www.overcomerministry.org]
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Here is a short, fascinating, and detailed explanation by Chuck Missler, just a brief video, but enough to give you a really good idea how this is interlinked with the rest of history & prophecy.
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Re: I need help understanding the 7 Churches part of the Revelation
Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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Well, we know they were actual churches in the area now known as Turkey. Speculation is that they might be stages any given local church could go through, but many scholars hold that they also indicate something about church history till the end of the age.

But I don't know of any Bible scholar who would suggest that they represent other religions besides Christianity, though certainly all but two of the churches had major faults. Jesus had something good to say about all but one or two of them, meaning they were all at least marginally Christian.
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i think they are types of churchs,past and or current,
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Re: I need help understanding the 7 Churches part of the Revelation
Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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it was all made-up gobbledygook by a cult member, probably stoned on opium, that got written down and used by other cult members because a cult wouldn't quite be a cult without some sort of apocalyptic propaganda prophesying the end of the world and other crazy shit.

does that help you understand it?
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The 7 Churches are the teachings of the Church..
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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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Re: I need help understanding the 7 Churches part of the Revelation
Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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Oh why oh why do you think, for even an instant that anyone has any understanding, and that if there are those who do that they would share it with you.

Silly.

But I will leave you with the key.



To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.



Read repeatedly until your brain blood barrier ruptures or until you understand...

Your welcome.
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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.
JOEL OSTEEN CHURCH

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..CHURCHES IN CHINA SAUDI ARABIA


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..SOME SAY THIS IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such. METROPOLITAN CHURCHES, ORDAINING GAY CLERGY, MARRYING HOMOSEXUALS

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path". CHURCHES STRUGGLING WITH IT'S MEMBERS, REFUSING TO TITHE,

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer. THE CHURCH THAT WILL BE RAPTURED


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES THAT HAVE WEALTH, CHARGE PEOPLE TO ATTEND...LUKEWARM CHRISTIANS..
Susie

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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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Susie, can I use some this later? It's pretty insightful. You didn't mention the false prophetess Jezebel in Thyatira which I personally think the RCC embodies (as well as some other things)


God bless
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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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The Seven Churches referred to in the beginning of The Book of Revelation refer to time frames of the Church, using each historical Church as a reference mark.

The last Church - The Church of Laodicea - represents the final chapter, or the last of Churches represented as The Book of Revelation begins. This is a time of apathy, appeasement and acceptance of Godlessness cloaked as tolerance, and a general turning from God.

If one takes the time to look around them, to follow the world news, and to truly call the current depravity of society what it is - The reference of The Church of Laodicea is the time in which we currently live.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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Susie, can I use some this later? It's pretty insightful. You didn't mention the false prophetess Jezebel in Thyatira which I personally think the RCC embodies (as well as some other things)


God bless
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Hi There..

Sure of course...

My understanding of the Church of Thyatira is that it perverts the Word of GOD...
Susie

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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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Susie, can I use some this later? It's pretty insightful. You didn't mention the false prophetess Jezebel in Thyatira which I personally think the RCC embodies (as well as some other things)


God bless
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Hi There..

Sure of course...

My understanding of the Church of Thyatira is that it perverts the Word of GOD...
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Go to pastorray.net and click the revelations link. he did a several month study on Revelations. His message notes are on that website and goes into really good detail.
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Thanks so much everyone for the insight hf
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The early Christians were known as the "firstfruits"....which are the best.

The early Church was very pure in nature.....going home to home, sharing, singing and praising God, etc.etc.


Revelation is addressed by Christ to Christians to give them a glimpse of the end times.......and gives very stern warnings to the churches.

Over the years, the churches have been comprised by half truths, erroneous doctrines, and people who are not even children of God. The church as such has been split up into many denominations.


We are the church of the last fruits.....the worst.


Of the seven, there is only one good one in God's eyes....namely Philadelphia.
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Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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Meaning of Revelation
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Seven congregations
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Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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There are seven communities, all believing the same that
Paul writes to, telling them to persevere in the traditions
passed on to them by the Apostles.

Eucharist means thanksgiving, Paul speaks of the Eucharist
in 1 Corinthians 11:24. And read of "breaking bread" in
other Gospel verses. This is reference to the most Holy
Eucharist. Amen
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The "churches" Jesus Witnesses of in Revelation ch 3 are eras within Christianity.

The church of Philadelphia ended after WW-II when Billy Graham and other preachers began adapting The Gospel in misguided manner to "appeal to more folk" and "win hearts for God". Too bad none of these men were truly Born-Again per Ezekiel 36 or they would have Known God and Been Enabled to Know and Do HIS Will rather than their own, which may have seemed right to them, but was actually anti-Christ. Such defines the Laodicean Church Age we now live in.

Got a witness for The Born-Again Life?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Live In-HIM as Jesus Witnesses in John 17, as John Witnesses in First Epistle 2:20-27 and you live in Total Confidence and Serenity. Jesus Witnesses that God Has Preserved you from all evil and that you Abide IN-HIM With The Father.


These are The Final Moments.

If you would Be HIS, time to give your life Unto The Father and seek only HIS Will and Guidance.

Live The Born-Again Life and God Delivers you from matters of this world and your fears.


Maranatha!!!
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Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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What you need to know more than anything in this life is the teachings of Smyrna and Philadelphia. These are the ones that taught about those who will lie and say they are our brother Judah. They will gain almost complete control of the world. They are very, very close now. They have usurped Palestine. They nearly have all of Jerusalem, from which their "moshiach" will rule the world with an iron-fist.
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If your talking about in the beginning of revelations, the letters going to the seven churchs etc. The churches represent the 7 chakras, each of which must be cleansed and purified before anointing can occur. Revelations or the Anointing of John. sk
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It's important what these churches taught. Take note that Christ is only pleased with 2 of the 7 churches: Smyrna and Philadelphia.

Look at what those 2 churches taught; they taught about those who "claim to be of our brother Judah but are not." They other 5 churches did not teach this and Christ warns them.
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The seven churches is a part of Rev prophecy with duel fulfillment. At the time given there were seven churches across different regions. Also it represents seven church ages. Today we are in the final Church of Laodicea (lukewarm).

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If your talking about in the beginning of revelations, the letters going to the seven churchs etc. The churches represent the 7 chakras, each of which must be cleansed and purified before anointing can occur. Revelations or the Anointing of John. sk
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Wrong book. We are reading the Christian book. There is no chakra. Only people possessed by demonic spirits of martial arts.

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Dual Meaning:

The Seven Chakras
and
The Seven Processes of Alchemical Transformation
Calcination
Dissolution
Separation
Conjunction
Fermentation
Distillation
Coagulation
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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
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Susie, can I use some this later? It's pretty insightful. You didn't mention the false prophetess Jezebel in Thyatira which I personally think the RCC embodies (as well as some other things)

God bless
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You are blinded by anti-Catholicism friend. Jesus said
to Peter in Matthew 16:18, I will not leave My Church.

Singular, "Church", Our Lord established one Church, the
RCC of which Protesantism broke away and broke away to this day. A new Protestant sect started every week since 1517.

The Bible is a Catholic book and the refusal to recognize
this basic fact shows spiritual immaturity and of course
pride.

Recall when the Great Warning (Rev 6:15-17) takes place, okay?
You make Our Lord a liar
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Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

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There are seven communities, all believing the same that
Paul writes to, telling them to persevere in the traditions
passed on to them by the Apostles.

Eucharist means thanksgiving, Paul speaks of the Eucharist
in 1 Corinthians 11:24. And read of "breaking bread" in
other Gospel verses. This is reference to the most Holy
Eucharist. Amen
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Could, possibly, the 7 Churches stand for 7 true religions?

Or is this based on the first 7 true Christian Churches?

Any input at all or views on the Revelation would be much appreciated.

angel3
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The seven churches were real churches that were in various stages of faith, apostasy, doing right, and doing wrong...

The seven churches are used in Revelation symbolically to represent seven stages that the church will go through during the entire church era (from Christ's first advent until His return).

We are now in the time of the final church, the church of Laodicea; the church of lukewarm faith. And all it takes is to look around at the world of Christianity today to know that it is in fact lukewarm! Even most who claim to be Christian do not take it very seriously, and very few people have any true understanding of the scriptures. If these lazy "Christians" cannot learn it off YouTube or television, then they are not interested.

Most people do not understand the Book of Revelation; ignorant teachers and intentional deceivers have made the common belief that Revelation is about the "end times"... that is not what the book is about!

The book is a revelation of Jesus Christ! It spans the entire 2000 year time period of the church era (the real church that is the bride of Christ). It spans from the time that Christ ascended to Heaven after His resurrection, and continues until the return of Christ on the last day.

This misunderstanding is most noticeably reflected in the fact that nearly every professing Christian and Bible teacher is completely wrong regarding the identity of the first four seals of the scroll, otherwise known as the four horsemen.
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1.Ephesus - We see a church distracted, or strayed from its original calling, and the Lord's admonition to return to that call. I speculate that the Church in Ephesus was expanding quickly, and probably getting caught up in the details of becoming a large church, rather than attending to its evangelistic ministry that it started out with.

2.Smyrna - Probably a persecuted Church, as mention is clearly made of being thrown in prison, and tribulation, and because they were encouraged to be faithful "even unto death". Clearly, this Church wasn't distracted from its evangelistic nature, as persecution accompanies sharing the Gospel..


3. Pergamos - Here is a church the Lord seems to indicate is inundated with things of the world, and false doctrines, perhaps some that they are not speaking out against. He clearly mentions the same old stuff that existed all along, such as the Nicolaitans. ( people who wished to install a pompous, worldly hierarchal system of "priesthood") which thing the Lord says he hates. This was the same type of system the Jews had, and clearly, Jesus was not happy with this type of "order..

4.Thyatira - Here, the situation in Pergamos seems to be even more progressed, mention is made of "things sacrificed to Idols" The warnings are stern, the promises for overcoming are true. Balaamism, (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism much more prevalent here, along with the presence of false prophets and such.

5. Sardis - The church here seems to be just about dead as the Lord encourages them to keep what little they have left alive. I see this as a church that was trying to emerge from a state of fallen ness trying to get back to the "straight and narrow path".

6. Philadelphia - This church seems to be in a good place, speaking the Word in truth boldly even in the face of death. The Lord mentions an "open door" which no man can shut. I see this as the Lord telling this Church that they could ask what they needed in prayer and it would be granted, meaning that the open door was to him in prayer.


7.Laodicea - Here we see a church deceived about what godliness is, in that they believed that their money was in some way a sign of God's approval. This Church obviously had great wealth, and considered themselves a Christian elite, if you will, and were probably just existing in their faith, enjoying their wealth, and neglecting the call of God.
 Quoting: christian



Susie, can I use some this later? It's pretty insightful. You didn't mention the false prophetess Jezebel in Thyatira which I personally think the RCC embodies (as well as some other things)


God bless
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Hi There..

Sure of course...

My understanding of the Church of Thyatira is that it perverts the Word of GOD...
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Yes...they do. An old Catholic priest (who is now passed) who was a seer and an exorcist once said that demons (take for what it's worth) he was throwing out told him they had their prince in the Vatican in the early 1960s.

Thyatira is a natural progression of Pergamos yes?
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An old man once told me that the 7 Churches were two eye's, two nostrils, two ear's and one mouth because the church is in every one of us. He said that we are the church.

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