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PRE-9/11 ASSASSINATION: An Overlooked and VERY Important Event in the 9/11 Chronology. MUST READ!!!

 
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Thanks for the pin. :)
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Watch out, Doorbert. I'm hot on your heels! ;)
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Pretty far ahead of him since your post are of original design and concept, You start quoting twitter and it will be different
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LOL!
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He was working with the CIA. In return for payments (which were minimal at best) he allowed American operatives to set up intel monitoring devices to track Osama and Al-qaeda's movement in Afghanistan. He was not a fan of the United States, but he hated the taliban even more. He was hoping for more support to get them out of country.

The devil is in the details and even in this, finger pointing and convoluted truths mixed with lies cast a mystery over the reason he was killed.

Some assert he was killed as a 'gift' to Osama by radical islamists. (half truth)
Some say the Pakistan ISI were involved. (false)
Some say the Americans. (false)
Some say Taliban. (half truth)

Make no mistake my friends, Al qaeda and Osama did the hit after the Lion sent a group of men on donkeys to launch an attack on a terrorist training camp. Osama was present, but he was unhurt, and was incredibly pist off.

They (osama et al) were busy with the business of a revolving door terrorist training of others from out of country and hatching plans to attack the infidels and Massoud was a threat on several levels.

He was a fav of the people, pro democracy, Northern Alliance and enemy of the Taliban, who incidently were Osamas most gracious host. He fed info to the CIA and as it got closer to the grand attack more and more sensitive intel was being gathered putting al qaedas plan at risk. The hit was supposed to happen a several weeks before it did.

Taking him out meant an ousting American operatives in country offering them no safe haven from which to work. The Taliban was down with the plan as it gave them the entire country.

As the trasition of government took place in American, intel was lost, overlooked, and shuffled about like annoying puzzle pieces.

The United States did not kill him.

The assasins were caught, charged, tried and convicted.
North African of origin I believe..I recall something about Algeria, Belgium and France.

There's so much more to tell, but so little time right now.

Keep digging you guys. You're getting closer to the truth..Don't eat the first tidbit you find though, the real tastey stuff is deeper, you've got to work for it...but..

But whatever, it's much easier to blame the USA.
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Where, may I ask, did you get your information about the Massoud attack upon Osama Bin Laden's "terrorist" camp? Do you have a link for that?

Intelligence bureaucracies don't change with the winds of politics. Intel would not be "lost, overlooked, and shuffled about like annoying puzzle pieces." That's an absolutely ludicrous assertion. Politicians come and go. Bureaucracies remain, and agendas are promoted, and secrecy reigns, especially in the intelligence bureaucracy. I don't think you typed that with a straight face.

Of course the Taliban would be for having Massoud killed. Much easier said than done, though. They'd been trying to do that since they came to power in Afghanistan in 1996. Very coincidental that they finally succeeded 2 days before 9/11, don't you think? Or, as I posited earlier, did America use Ahmad Shah Massoud for as long as he was useful to them (up until 9/11/01), and then had him eliminated in order to install a puppet ruler in Kabul in anticipation of the coming inevitable toppling of Taliban rule?

Also, contrary to what you said was the reason the Taliban gave the okay (after 5 years) to kill Massoud, American forces did, in fact, have plenty of safe haven with which to work. We simply bought off the Northern Alliance, who were sympathetic to our wishes anyway, because we had a common goal -- overthrowing the Taliban regime in Kabul. It took, I think, 6 weeks to overthrow the Taliban regime in Kabul. Doesn't seem like we had much trouble doing that without Massoud.

The official story is that Massoud's assassins were Tunisians who lived in Belgium. Why is it you believe this?

It's not "easier to blame the USA". Where do you get that? The reason I posted this thread is because it fits. That doesn't mean it for certain happened that way. But it served our purposes.

Again, if the Taliban and Bin Laden wanted Massoud dead, why didn't they kill him anytime over the previous 5 or 6 years? The timing of Massoud's assassination 2 days before 9/11 and America's subsequent invasion of Afghanistan that toppled the Taliban regime, benefitted American interests. After the elimination of Massoud (and Abdul Haq), there were no clear leaders waiting in the wings to rule post-Taliban Afghanistan, which allowed America to install our puppet, Hamid Karzai, UNOCAL's representative to Afghanistan.
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He was working with the CIA. In return for payments (which were minimal at best) he allowed American operatives to set up intel monitoring devices to track Osama and Al-qaeda's movement in Afghanistan. He was not a fan of the United States, but he hated the taliban even more. He was hoping for more support to get them out of country.

The devil is in the details and even in this, finger pointing and convoluted truths mixed with lies cast a mystery over the reason he was killed.

Some assert he was killed as a 'gift' to Osama by radical islamists. (half truth)
Some say the Pakistan ISI were involved. (false)
Some say the Americans. (false)
Some say Taliban. (half truth)

Make no mistake my friends, Al qaeda and Osama did the hit after the Lion sent a group of men on donkeys to launch an attack on a terrorist training camp. Osama was present, but he was unhurt, and was incredibly pist off.

They (osama et al) were busy with the business of a revolving door terrorist training of others from out of country and hatching plans to attack the infidels and Massoud was a threat on several levels.

He was a fav of the people, pro democracy, Northern Alliance and enemy of the Taliban, who incidently were Osamas most gracious host. He fed info to the CIA and as it got closer to the grand attack more and more sensitive intel was being gathered putting al qaedas plan at risk. The hit was supposed to happen a several weeks before it did.

Taking him out meant an ousting American operatives in country offering them no safe haven from which to work. The Taliban was down with the plan as it gave them the entire country.

As the trasition of government took place in American, intel was lost, overlooked, and shuffled about like annoying puzzle pieces.

The United States did not kill him.

The assasins were caught, charged, tried and convicted.
North African of origin I believe..I recall something about Algeria, Belgium and France.

There's so much more to tell, but so little time right now.

Keep digging you guys. You're getting closer to the truth..Don't eat the first tidbit you find though, the real tastey stuff is deeper, you've got to work for it...but..

But whatever, it's much easier to blame the USA.
Those who hate her, love you guys
and thank you.

a la snack bar!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342668


Where, may I ask, did you get your information about the Massoud attack upon Osama Bin Laden's "terrorist" camp? Do you have a link for that?

Intelligence bureaucracies don't change with the winds of politics. Intel would not be "lost, overlooked, and shuffled about like annoying puzzle pieces." That's an absolutely ludicrous assertion. Politicians come and go. Bureaucracies remain, and agendas are promoted, and secrecy reigns, especially in the intelligence bureaucracy. I don't think you typed that with a straight face.

Of course the Taliban would be for having Massoud killed. Much easier said than done, though. They'd been trying to do that since they came to power in Afghanistan in 1996. Very coincidental that they finally succeeded 2 days before 9/11, don't you think? Or, as I posited earlier, did America use Ahmad Shah Massoud for as long as he was useful to them (up until 9/11/01), and then had him eliminated in order to install a puppet ruler in Kabul in anticipation of the coming inevitable toppling of Taliban rule?

Also, contrary to what you said was the reason the Taliban gave the okay (after 5 years) to kill Massoud, American forces did, in fact, have plenty of safe haven with which to work. We simply bought off the Northern Alliance, who were sympathetic to our wishes anyway, because we had a common goal -- overthrowing the Taliban regime in Kabul. It took, I think, 6 weeks to overthrow the Taliban regime in Kabul. Doesn't seem like we had much trouble doing that without Massoud.

The official story is that Massoud's assassins were Tunisians who lived in Belgium. Why is it you believe this?

It's not "easier to blame the USA". Where do you get that? The reason I posted this thread is because it fits. That doesn't mean it for certain happened that way. But it served our purposes.

Again, if the Taliban and Bin Laden wanted Massoud dead, why didn't they kill him anytime over the previous 5 or 6 years? The timing of Massoud's assassination 2 days before 9/11 and America's subsequent invasion of Afghanistan that toppled the Taliban regime, benefitted American interests. After the elimination of Massoud (and Abdul Haq), there were no clear leaders waiting in the wings to rule post-Taliban Afghanistan, which allowed America to install our puppet, Hamid Karzai, UNOCAL's representative to Afghanistan.
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I should clarify that I don't necessarily disagree with this. I have no reason to doubt they were. But to whom did they answer? And to whom they the person to whom they answer to answer? Follow the chain of command far enough, and I think you'll find it snakes its way back to someone who has more than just a passing relationship with American intelligence.

As I stated before, the rank and file of a group (whether they be "al Qaeda", or militant followers of a political party or religion from any country) are used as pawns to accomplish tasks that benefit the leaders of these groups, who may or may not truly believe in the ideology they preach publicly, ,and who often times have rather cozy relationships with the very enemies they preach publicly about destroying.
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The OP is completely off base on why Massoud was taken out.

It was prep for 9/11 to be sure. But it was a move by al Qaeda/Taliban to weaken the opposition in Afghanistan. They did not want Massoud as a US ally against the Taliban. They knew the US would get involved militarily after the attacks. Al Qaeda has stated their goal is to involve the US in conflicts across the globe to drain our treasury and weaken us.

Massoud would have been a powerful US ally and would have led to unifying Afghanistan. The Taliban and al Qaeda used the blueprint we gave them in the 1980s to bog down the Soviet forces in an unwinnable conflict against us.
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Conspiracy Theorists are more about biased conjectures presented as truth, using facts coerced to support consp-theo's belief system. Unbiased will consider whatever facts and change their belief system accordingly, not sticking to a rigid unchangable belief system.

So according to OP, Massoud fought against Soviet an Taliban. And Taliban as his enemy, wasn't supposed to take him out (You must love Taliban, they're such compassionate enemy), only Neocons would do that coz Massoud was a principled un-puppet-able man and neocons wanted a puppet. Ok, according to OP, Taliban was creation of CIA in 1980s, probably Mossad too, or Zionists or Illuminati, take your pick. So, Taliban was controlled by CIA at the highest level. The recent Taliban raid on NATO base in Helmand must be CIA's wonderful work too if you want to retain the storyline of Taliban is CIA's robots. Non conspiracists would be wondering, if the CIA/Mossad/Zionist/Illuminati Gods has created and controlled the Taliban, why then were they fighting the Taliban till now? Why not just disbanded the group if you as evil neocons has successfully placed your puppets on the throne of afghanistan? Hey, if I was the supposed evil Neocons, I would want a Massoud, someone who, according to OP, can garnered coalition of various tribes. If I wanted my supposed oil pipeline safe, I'd rather negotiate with a Mossoud than installed a so called puppet who can't keep the country secure.

All this unproven fact of "Massoud was killed because he blocked Neocons plan" is based on the contention of OP, which is nothing more than a conjecture worshipped as truth.


Now the following is fact, not conjecture, fact that can be checked:

[link to abcnews.go.com]

George Bush only played golf 24 times in his 2 terms as President.

King Obama is well past 100 times in less than 4 years.
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The only way to guarantee war is to do what the neo-cons did. Don't forget, what gets blown up, gets rebuilt... over and over and over. To hell with American infrastructure! The defense contractors made fortunes there and still are. War means a lot of different factions of people get rich, not just the ones with the pipelines. Wake up Indonesia! There were many agendas at play and there were many conspiracies. I should know, I've lost every fucking one of my rights because of this shit, they were able to usher in the police state as well! It's about power and money,not just money.
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The OP is completely off base on why Massoud was taken out.

It was prep for 9/11 to be sure. But it was a move by al Qaeda/Taliban to weaken the opposition in Afghanistan. They did not want Massoud as a US ally against the Taliban. They knew the US would get involved militarily after the attacks. Al Qaeda has stated their goal is to involve the US in conflicts across the globe to drain our treasury and weaken us.

Massoud would have been a powerful US ally and would have led to unifying Afghanistan. The Taliban and al Qaeda used the blueprint we gave them in the 1980s to bog down the Soviet forces in an unwinnable conflict against us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288758

Conspiracy Theorists are more about biased conjectures presented as truth, using facts coerced to support consp-theo's belief system. Unbiased will consider whatever facts and change their belief system accordingly, not sticking to a rigid unchangable belief system.

So according to OP, Massoud fought against Soviet an Taliban. And Taliban as his enemy, wasn't supposed to take him out (You must love Taliban, they're such compassionate enemy), only Neocons would do that coz Massoud was a principled un-puppet-able man and neocons wanted a puppet. Ok, according to OP, Taliban was creation of CIA in 1980s, probably Mossad too, or Zionists or Illuminati, take your pick. So, Taliban was controlled by CIA at the highest level. The recent Taliban raid on NATO base in Helmand must be CIA's wonderful work too if you want to retain the storyline of Taliban is CIA's robots. Non conspiracists would be wondering, if the CIA/Mossad/Zionist/Illuminati Gods has created and controlled the Taliban, why then were they fighting the Taliban till now? Why not just disbanded the group if you as evil neocons has successfully placed your puppets on the throne of afghanistan? Hey, if I was the supposed evil Neocons, I would want a Massoud, someone who, according to OP, can garnered coalition of various tribes. If I wanted my supposed oil pipeline safe, I'd rather negotiate with a Mossoud than installed a so called puppet who can't keep the country secure.

All this unproven fact of "Massoud was killed because he blocked Neocons plan" is based on the contention of OP, which is nothing more than a conjecture worshipped as truth.


Now the following is fact, not conjecture, fact that can be checked:

[link to abcnews.go.com]

George Bush only played golf 24 times in his 2 terms as President.

King Obama is well past 100 times in less than 4 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5715803


The only way to guarantee war is to do what the neo-cons did. Don't forget, what gets blown up, gets rebuilt... over and over and over. To hell with American infrastructure! The defense contractors made fortunes there and still are. War means a lot of different factions of people get rich, not just the ones with the pipelines. Wake up Indonesia! There were many agendas at play and there were many conspiracies. I should know, I've lost every fucking one of my rights because of this shit, they were able to usher in the police state as well! It's about power and money,not just money.
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Well said. Agreed. Too many people are making too much money. Unfortunately, as is so often the case, a company's interests with regard to profiting in a foreign venture, don't match the interests of the country as a whole. There are ways to do things, and ways not to do things. Whereas some will use honey, others will use a hammer. I don't think the hammer approach is sustainable. There will be, and has been, blowback.

Are you Indonesian? And are you talking about the events in East Timor in the 1990s?
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Yeah, I have a link. And a link to how the intel was lost in the shuffle. I just got home so let me brew up a pot and I'll hook you up.
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Yeah, I have a link. And a link to how the intel was lost in the shuffle. I just got home so let me brew up a pot and I'll hook you up.
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Okay, thanks :) I appreciate it.
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Yeah, I have a link. And a link to how the intel was lost in the shuffle. I just got home so let me brew up a pot and I'll hook you up.
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Just got home? Are you with the RCMP? ;)

Eastern or western Canada?
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They (USA) wanted close ties with the Lion as he was a peoples hero, repected in the country. Someone the people would follow. Northern Alliance, em, not so much so.

What makes you think they hadn't attempted to kill him prior to his death? He was after all, an enemy. Had he made the decision to not grant the interview he might still be alive today. He didn't trust many for good reason.

Anywho,

[link to www.historycommons.org]

The CIA has inserted a special device in the vicinity that can take high quality photographs of the camp from over ten miles away. Sometime in late January, the CIA learns that bin Laden has arrived in the camp.

They pass this information on to Ahmed Shah Massoud and his Northern Alliance, who are fighting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Massoud dispatches a small team on mules to get near the camp and fire rockets at bin Laden. However, when Massoud tells the CIA about this, the CIA’s lawyers are alarmed. They don’t want the CIA legally complicit if the operation kills innocent civilians and they order Massoud to withdraw his team.

But due to poor communications the team goes ahead anyway and apparently shells the camp. However, bin Laden is not hurt and the incident passes without notice. Some US intelligence officials are upset at the legal policy that led to the order for Massoud’s team to withdraw.

A new policy is drawn up allowing the CIA to assist Massoud on an operation if the primary purpose of the operation is to kill bin Laden or one of his top assistants. Otherwise, the US officially remains neutral in the war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.


Here's a link for you to browse. :)

[link to www.historycommons.org]
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Western Canada. I like bacon..and yeah. I heard the news already. What a waste of perfectly good sandwich fixings!
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Right, the article with detail of the killers and convictions might be a little harder to get. Wish me luck.
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They (USA) wanted close ties with the Lion as he was a peoples hero, repected in the country. Someone the people would follow. Northern Alliance, em, not so much so.

What makes you think they hadn't attempted to kill him prior to his death? He was after all, an enemy. Had he made the decision to not grant the interview he might still be alive today. He didn't trust many for good reason.

Anywho,

[link to www.historycommons.org]

The CIA has inserted a special device in the vicinity that can take high quality photographs of the camp from over ten miles away. Sometime in late January, the CIA learns that bin Laden has arrived in the camp.

They pass this information on to Ahmed Shah Massoud and his Northern Alliance, who are fighting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Massoud dispatches a small team on mules to get near the camp and fire rockets at bin Laden. However, when Massoud tells the CIA about this, the CIA’s lawyers are alarmed. They don’t want the CIA legally complicit if the operation kills innocent civilians and they order Massoud to withdraw his team.

But due to poor communications the team goes ahead anyway and apparently shells the camp. However, bin Laden is not hurt and the incident passes without notice. Some US intelligence officials are upset at the legal policy that led to the order for Massoud’s team to withdraw.

A new policy is drawn up allowing the CIA to assist Massoud on an operation if the primary purpose of the operation is to kill bin Laden or one of his top assistants. Otherwise, the US officially remains neutral in the war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.


Here's a link for you to browse. :)

[link to www.historycommons.org]
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That's my point. They Taliban DIDN'T kill him in the 5 or 6 years he was an enemy of theirs. Yet 2 days before 9/11, somehow this reporter and cameraman got access to him. They begged for access, and Massoud acquiesced, as the story goes. I wonder if someone "vouched" for these reporters, knowing what they planned to do. You are correct in saying that Massoud was (understandably and wisely) extremely cautious. Seems odd he'd let them; unless, as I hypothesized, maybe someone vouched for them. Maybe a CIA asset?
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They (USA) wanted close ties with the Lion as he was a peoples hero, repected in the country. Someone the people would follow. Northern Alliance, em, not so much so.

What makes you think they hadn't attempted to kill him prior to his death? He was after all, an enemy. Had he made the decision to not grant the interview he might still be alive today. He didn't trust many for good reason.

Anywho,

[link to www.historycommons.org]

The CIA has inserted a special device in the vicinity that can take high quality photographs of the camp from over ten miles away. Sometime in late January, the CIA learns that bin Laden has arrived in the camp.

They pass this information on to Ahmed Shah Massoud and his Northern Alliance, who are fighting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Massoud dispatches a small team on mules to get near the camp and fire rockets at bin Laden. However, when Massoud tells the CIA about this, the CIA’s lawyers are alarmed. They don’t want the CIA legally complicit if the operation kills innocent civilians and they order Massoud to withdraw his team.

But due to poor communications the team goes ahead anyway and apparently shells the camp. However, bin Laden is not hurt and the incident passes without notice. Some US intelligence officials are upset at the legal policy that led to the order for Massoud’s team to withdraw.

A new policy is drawn up allowing the CIA to assist Massoud on an operation if the primary purpose of the operation is to kill bin Laden or one of his top assistants. Otherwise, the US officially remains neutral in the war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.


Here's a link for you to browse. :)

[link to www.historycommons.org]
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That's my point. They Taliban DIDN'T kill him in the 5 or 6 years he was an enemy of theirs. Yet 2 days before 9/11, somehow this reporter and cameraman got access to him. They begged for access, and Massoud acquiesced, as the story goes. I wonder if someone "vouched" for these reporters, knowing what they planned to do. You are correct in saying that Massoud was (understandably and wisely) extremely cautious. Seems odd he'd let them; unless, as I hypothesized, maybe someone vouched for them. Maybe a CIA asset?
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Oh, and thanks for the links. I'll check them out. :)

I love B.C. and Alberta. Beautiful country up there.
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Tarnak Farm -- Osama Bin Laden's "ranch", basically, outside Kandahar.
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Tarnak Farm -- Osama Bin Laden's "ranch", basically, outside Kandahar.
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Or compound.
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Perhaps they (taliban) couldn't kill him. *shrugs*


Links and covictions related to the killers aka, the conspirateurs, or is it conspiracies..lolol
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The breakthrough, investigators tell TIME, came a week after the Nov. 26 arrests of 16 men in France and Belgium suspected of providing logistical support for extremist Islamic organizations. One of the suspects held in France, a Tunisian named Adel Tebourski, told investigators he recognized Dahman, a fellow Tunisian who lived in Belgium, from news coverage that included photos of Massoud's killers. "These two were close, and they go back a long way," a French justice official said. Tebourski told police both he and Dahman were members of a radical group that played a major role in sending new recruits to Afghanistan and providing false documents and other support to those returning to Europe to form terror cells. He said he bought the airline tickets and obtained the fake Belgian passport that Dahman used to get to Afghanistan last year.

What Tebourski claims not to know is whether Dahman went to Afghanistan to take part in the Massoud killing, or whether it was only after he arrived in Afghanistan that he was tapped for the deadly mission.


Read more: [link to www.time.com]

Police in Belgium have arrested an Algerian man in connection with an international investigation into the assassination of the Afghan Northern Alliance leader, Ahmed Shah Masood.

The arrest follows a series of raids earlier in the week against an alleged false passport ring.
The 30-year-old Algerian asylum seeker has been charged with forgery and criminal conspiracy....

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

and this..

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]


There's a flemish article out there some where, but I can't find it right now...and my coffee is getting cold.


ps, I really enjoyed reading your thread. Thanks and cheers.
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I suppose I shouldn't have employed the term "lost" in regards to intel. Poor choice of wording on my part. Neither the outgoing nor incoming government wanted to take action. I suggest they all had "not my job" attitudes.

this is a full copy/paste, so maybe after you read it you can modify it to a snippet, or just delete it?

National Security Adviser Sandy Berger asks CIA Director how he would go after al-Qaeda if he were unconstrained by resources and policies. He assigns Cofer Black and the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center to develops a plan for the incoming Bush administration.

It is dubbed the “Blue Sky Memo.” The CIA presents it to counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke on December 29, 2000. It recommends increased support to anti-Taliban groups and especially a major effort to back Ahmed Shah Massoud’s Northern Alliance, to tie down al-Qaeda personnel before they leave Afghanistan.

No action is taken on it in the last few weeks of the Clinton administration; and the new Bush administration does not appear interested in it either.

[9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004; Tenet, 2007, pp. 130-131]

The National Security Council counterterrorism staff also prepares a strategy paper, incorporating ideas from the Blue Sky Memo. [9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004]

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don't forget the 3rd reason for going into afghanistan! It borders Iran's easter border. And as we all know the US attacked Iraq which is on Iran's western border in 2003.
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don't forget the 3rd reason for going into afghanistan! It borders Iran's easter border. And as we all know the US attacked Iraq which is on Iran's western border in 2003.
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Yes, good point. We had Iran surrounded with our military in Iraq to the west, and Afghanistan to the east.
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Red herring stuff, created for disinformation in the form of inference. Gobble it up stupids.
The real perps of 911 are not Arabs (or muslims).
The evidence is absolutely overwhelming in so many different ways, that it's just simply inescapable.
The official version is tenable only if it's made into a religion-like dogmatic belief system, where any question and bringing up the hundreds(!) of anomalies consists of heresy.
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interesting stuff but i don't believe it because it's just too perfect. Sounds more like a novel than the way things unfold in real life. Unless you are talking about some kind of alternate reality, that's the only way i see info making sense.
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Conspiracies are like that. Think of a well planned bank robbery. Every thing falls into place because the robbers planned it that way. All vulnerabilities are exploited, all contingencies thought out.
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Hey OP could you elaborate on who the assassins of Massoud were? Their profile and background? It seems to me that a leader fighting the Taliban (and not the network of jihadi fighters) would have vetted anyone of any suspicions that they were his enemy. On the other hand, Western intel would have a much broader pool of recruits. It is also curious this whole suicide bombing phenomenon, which before 9/11 was a very novel tactic of war -- that in itself would be interesting research on the method of indoctrination and training required. As far as I know the Taliban were not trained in such tactics, though their Pashtun roots are deeply imbedded in Pakistani military intelligence circles, and religious madrassas. The suicide bombing tactics, however, seem to have developed from isolated combat training camps, not madrassas. And the suicide killers of Massoud came from this same pool of recruits.
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Great thread OP! Love all these connected dots in the big picture!
You would really enjoy reading Sibel Edmonds' book, Classified Woman.
She's a FBI whistleblower who was recruited as a translator after the fact (911).
She also has a whistleblower's blog that is probably not allowed to be mentioned here - lol.
Carry on.
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Great thread OP! Love all these connected dots in the big picture!
You would really enjoy reading Sibel Edmonds' book, Classified Woman.
She's a FBI whistleblower who was recruited as a translator after the fact (911).
She also has a whistleblower's blog that is probably not allowed to be mentioned here - lol.
Carry on.
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One hell of a righteous woman,... that Sibel.

I wish there were millions like her.


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Great thread OP! Love all these connected dots in the big picture!
You would really enjoy reading Sibel Edmonds' book, Classified Woman.
She's a FBI whistleblower who was recruited as a translator after the fact (911).
She also has a whistleblower's blog that is probably not allowed to be mentioned here - lol.
Carry on.
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Thanks. :) I'm familiar with Sibel Edmonds, but have yet to read her book, "Classified Woman". I plan to read it, though. Thanks for the recommendation!
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Great thread OP! Love all these connected dots in the big picture!
You would really enjoy reading Sibel Edmonds' book, Classified Woman.
She's a FBI whistleblower who was recruited as a translator after the fact (911).
She also has a whistleblower's blog that is probably not allowed to be mentioned here - lol.
Carry on.
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One hell of a righteous woman,... that Sibel.

I wish there were millions like her.



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Indeed! ^5
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interesting stuff but i don't believe it because it's just too perfect. Sounds more like a novel than the way things unfold in real life. Unless you are talking about some kind of alternate reality, that's the only way i see info making sense.
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Conspiracies are like that. Think of a well planned bank robbery. Every thing falls into place because the robbers planned it that way. All vulnerabilities are exploited, all contingencies thought out.
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Precisely ^5
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Hey OP could you elaborate on who the assassins of Massoud were? Their profile and background? It seems to me that a leader fighting the Taliban (and not the network of jihadi fighters) would have vetted anyone of any suspicions that they were his enemy. On the other hand, Western intel would have a much broader pool of recruits. It is also curious this whole suicide bombing phenomenon, which before 9/11 was a very novel tactic of war -- that in itself would be interesting research on the method of indoctrination and training required. As far as I know the Taliban were not trained in such tactics, though their Pashtun roots are deeply imbedded in Pakistani military intelligence circles, and religious madrassas. The suicide bombing tactics, however, seem to have developed from isolated combat training camps, not madrassas. And the suicide killers of Massoud came from this same pool of recruits.
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Excellent post. I'd like to investigate that phenomena, too. It'd be very interesting. You're right that the suicide bombing phenomena seemed to be not as prevalent before 9/11. Then again, maybe it seems more prevalent after 9/11, because our military is over in their backyard now, giving them a chance to utilize that particular modus operandi.

Yes, the Pakistan ISI and Taliban links run deep.

I'm particularly intrigued by "Tarnak Farm", Osama bin Laden's alleged compound outside of Kandahar in the south of Afghanistan, where the Taliban were "born".
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