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WND - Obama Advisor Admits : We Need Death Panels

 
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Here it is folks. Truth on Obamacare starting to take form.


A top Democrat strategist and donor who served as President Obama’s lead auto-industry adviser recently conceded that the rationing of heath services under Obamacare is “inevitable.”

Steven Rattner advocated that such rationing should target elderly patients, while stating, “We need death panels.”

Rattner serves on the board the New America Foundation, or NAF, a George Soros-funded think tank that was instrumental in supporting Obamacare in 2010. Soros’ son, financier Jonathan Soros, is also a member of the foundation’s board.

Rattner was the so-called “car czar,” the lead auto adviser to the Treasury Department under Obama.

Last month, Rattner penned an opinion piece in the New York Times titled “Beyond Obamacare” in which he proclaimed “We need death panels” and argued rationing must be instructed to sustain Obama’s health-care plan. His comments have been virtually ignored by traditional media as the president campaign’s for a second term.

“We need death panels,” began Rattner. “Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health-care resources more prudently – rationing, by its proper name – the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.”


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And NY Times
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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
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Gasp! You mean to say it's not already swamped! Well! Better get a jump on it then. Oh...and don't forget to add your parents to the list gubberment officials. After all...we should show point by example you know.
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Maybe if everyone who works in a hospital wasn't twiddling their fuckin thumbs all day, shit would get done faster. Instead they are just milking the system like everyone else.
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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
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So....
Sarah Palin was right, all along.
Imagine that one, eh?
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sorry to have to tell you ,but they already have them ,theyre called threat assessment briefings,and if your name comes up,an eo is given,or a white letter, for big case files,,the office of the president has had this power for years,its as simple as a yes or no decision,weather your names stays on list after a no is given, i cannt say,but i will tell you this, a no,gives you a secound chance,now weather you stop what you are doing ,or you decide to retire,what ever ,relief,feeling like you be blessed,saved,,,,follows you the rest of your life,,,be warned,stay away from these people that would judge you so cold,so fast,try to live in peace and do not trust in the ways of men.
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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


So....
Sarah Palin was right, all along.
Imagine that one, eh?
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


but, but, but!!! everyone KNOWS she's STOOOOPID!
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You have to vote for it to find out what's in it! - Nazi Pelosi
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Great...... I'm done for.
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LOL. Yeah, it's not mind-bending TRILLIONS spent on fake wars and given to banksters, it's recently introduced medical cover that's draining the country dry.

Don't get me wrong, they probably are fucking it up, but to pretend that it's the number 1 "exploding" cost... LOL.
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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
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Really. Amazing isn't it.
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bump
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bump
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Thanks for the bump.

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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


So....
Sarah Palin was right, all along.
Imagine that one, eh?
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


but, but, but!!! everyone KNOWS she's STOOOOPID!
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Yes.. She even thinks she can see Russia from her house!

Oh...
Wait...
That was liberal hero TINA FEY, but 99 out of 100 Sheeple DO NOT KNOW THAT!!
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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
 Quoting: Phennommennonn

Say what you will about death panels. a friend of mine who has a "mystery" illness that the doctors can't figure out would have been dead if Obama care wasn't called to action. not my words but his and he's a conservative.
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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
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I think the concern here is real. How far will they go. I think the fear is about those who don't want to die but will be administratively forced to.
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Here come the "SAW" death people. How will you go??? Drill to the head, fire, explosion? etc.
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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
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You're such an idiot !!

That's not what death panels are about.

Obama's death panels are about TELLING you who is ALLOWED to get care, and who is not.

Say you're 100 years old, and RICH, and can pay for a knee replacement out of pocket, the Obama death panels will tell you that you may NOT have the operation.

They will say that doctors and nurses are SCARCE RESOURCES and are needed ELSEWHERE.
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Obama's death panels are about TELLING you who is ALLOWED to get care, and who is not.


Hence..... My post regarding the SAW movies.
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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23607011


You're such an idiot !!

That's not what death panels are about.

Obama's death panels are about TELLING you who is ALLOWED to get care, and who is not.

Say you're 100 years old, and RICH, and can pay for a knee replacement out of pocket, the Obama death panels will tell you that you may NOT have the operation.

They will say that doctors and nurses are SCARCE RESOURCES and are needed ELSEWHERE.
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Yup. Big concern.
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Obama's death panels are about TELLING you who is ALLOWED to get care, and who is not.


Hence..... My post regarding the SAW movies.
 Quoting: Medic


Exactly.
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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
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Are you stupid?

Do you know anything about a death panel and it's purpose?

No, you don't. Just leave now.
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How's that hope and....

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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
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It's not those type of death panels that are going to be instituted. It will be more like a 65-yr-old needs open-heart surgery. They will have to decide do we do surgery and follow-up care on a 65-yr-old or do we do similar surgery on a 38-yr-old, as there won't be money for both.

I'm somewhat familiar with hospice. Where exactly is this hospice where they were allowed to get dehydrated and starve to death?
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Wonder if death panels will use affirmative action in their decisions. Of course they will.
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Wonder if death panels will use affirmative action in their decisions. Of course they will.
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GREAT point.
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we do need death panels. I watched two grandparents die in a hospice. Each one begged to die, as they were dehydrated and starved to death. Death panels would allow a coupe de grace for those who are suffering. Stop attempting to politicize a compassionate thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23607011


You're such an idiot !!

That's not what death panels are about.

Obama's death panels are about TELLING you who is ALLOWED to get care, and who is not.

Say you're 100 years old, and RICH, and can pay for a knee replacement out of pocket, the Obama death panels will tell you that you may NOT have the operation.


They will say that doctors and nurses are SCARCE RESOURCES and are needed ELSEWHERE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1222180


It will be if you're 100 and dirt poor you are not getting the surgery no matter what.
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Wonder if death panels will use affirmative action in their decisions. Of course they will.
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Wow
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well .....so where're the obamacare tards now?
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Say what you will about death panels. a friend of mine who has a "mystery" illness that the doctors can't figure out would have been dead if Obama care wasn't called to action. not my words but his and he's a conservative.
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We'll need a little bit more information than that.
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