I know I should vote for Gary Johnson but I want Obama out SO bad!!!!!

This. Sure, our votes may not count because the system sucks.. but I'm getting tired of playing along. Maybe, just maybe someone will wake the f*ck up if enough people vote for Gary Johnson. Oblahblah and Mittens both suck.

You've just made the FIRST cogent point of this entire thread in favor of voting for Johnson, specifically IN TEXAS.

But your situation is NOT generally applicable. It is only applicable in your case.

However, well done for introducing logic to your side of the argument.

A lot of time and energy is spent on the illusion of voting. It is not who you vote for that counts.

IT'S WHO COUNTS THE VOTES. THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.

VERY LITTLE TIME MONEY OR ENEGY IS SPENT ON INSURING FAIR VOTE COUNT.

If Obama gets a second term, which you will give him by voting Johnson, the "system that sucks" will be gone. There will be no more voting, for lesser or greater evil.

Why do you people have such a difficult time with this concept? It isn't that difficult.

Agreed. And that is because the Left doesn't want fair. They want power, and will do anything to get and keep it.

That is why the Romney win must be a landslide. If it isn't, the Left will "Al Franken" the vote, and just keep recounting until they win.

The encouragement of anyone to not vote their conscience is exactly what has destroyed out electoral process.

Imagine if everyone who wanted neither candidate voted for Johnson regardless of the fact that "It's a wasted vote", according to people like you, anyway... What would happen then?

Johnson would likely win the election.

You're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by endorsing this though process. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, it's still a smoke and mirror trick. The cartoon of the car between the two walls is quite accurate.

Johnson 2012

So your logic is that in order to get Obama out we should vote an equally unworthy successor in?

No thanks.

If Obama wins, and destroys freedoms as you propose, then we the people should be angry enough to take our country back. Maybe it's what this country really needs to get back on track. A revolution.

Declaration of Independence 1776 -
" — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico while I lived there, he was a good governor and I like the man, I think he is very genuine.

All that said, I think getting Obama out is our ONLY HOPE for saving this country through the electoral process.

Luckily, I live in Texas where Romney will win by 10 to 12%, so I have the luxury of voting my conscience and going with Gary Johnson...

However, if I lived in Florida, or New Mexico, or Arizona, or any other swing state, I would vote Romney without pause...

Oh the irony. By definition the Libertarian party should refuse any portion of the government pie.

Now is not the time for idealism. Wake up before it is too late!

If you care more about your "Feelings" than your life and prosperity?, then vote for anyone that makes you "feel good"...if you care more about your life, job, prosperity and the country than your "feelings"...then vote for Romney and get rid of Obama. If you are Dumb enough to believe that govt has the answer for everything, they are going to be "fair" and think that kissing ass in the most violent regions of the world and giving the fucktarded actors there huge sums of our money is a good thing?...then vote for Obama...

Voting for Gary Johnson here.

I have been and continue to support libertarian view. Ron Paul should not have run under the Republica ticket knowing how crooked the system is and that he would not get the nomination despite being the best candidate.

The clear choice is to vote for the person that represents how you feel on issues the best period. Stand up for what you believe in and don't fall victim to the game they play every 4 years with voting for someone that sucks just to get the other guy out.

Oh don't be so afraid you giant pussy...

Johnson wants to raise the age for S.S. and cut everything he can.

You can't just cut your way to success, read his choices of what he will do.

You will find all 3 running for office are suckers !

Then oh learned moran please explain how a vote for Romney or Obama will keep it alive.

Based on you answer, it will help me decide whether you are a shill or a tard.

and the "Libertarian view" is just another utopian pile of retardism that never has and never will happen in real life...in fact it RELIES on people having absolutely ZERO grasp of reality to have any supporters at all, which are few.

Wow...what party was he in when he was gov?....

Why do all of you idiots think that voting in a specific guy for president is going to change your country or your life?

I keep hearing "oh, you are facing the most important decision of your life." Are ALL of you really that dumb, seriously?

Obama didn't wreck the economy, YOU DID.

Voting for Romney, Obama, or Gary Johnson isn't going to change the fact that the scum rises to the top, each time, EVERY TIME. This is basic and immutable law, rooted in the biological sciences. You just can't keep the corrupt and hyper-vigilant, alpha types from staking their claim.

Contrary to some of the wishful thinking displayed in the recent annals of this site, CAPITAL RULES. We live in a polyarchy, not a democracy. This is how it is, has been, and likely always will be, so long as your nation is comprised of

ASSHOLES who sit on their asses all day eating fake food and pumping all of their wealth, time, and labor into corporations of the ruling elite, all the while whining about how it is someone elses fault (ahem Obama), and under the lazy, wishful delusion that getting up and voting for another guy is going to change their lives for the better. LLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!

I will preface this by saying I am a libertarian but unlike most of you, a realist as well.

Nothing better then being an idealist and having a clear consciense for the end of America. You guys need to wake the fuck up. You have a duty as a freedom loving American citizen to get the socialist out of office. That is not accomplished by voting third party this election. Gary Johnson you are a fool. You know you are splitting the vote when your country is in need.

We need Romney for the next 4 years simply to stop Obama. Let's start campaigning third party next year and get a jump start on a real change. This last minute hail mary is absolute bullshit. Because shocker, Gary Johnson is not taking any Democrat votes.

So yes feel good about your independent vote but know this, you will have to live with your vote and we will all go down on the sinking ship just the same. At least I will know I put my vote where it mattered.

On a candidate by candidate basis, What is it about Romney's or Obama's platforms and policies that are superior to Johnson's?

It has nothing to do with how I feel, that is the problem at the source. Everyone has made the political process an emotional one, when really it need's to be transparent and about the facts.

Johnson's stance on the issues are vastly superior to Romney's or Obama's, and in my opinion, they offer us the best chance at continued life and prosperity.

If everyone spent the same amount of energy informing the mindless voters on what the real issues are, and how Johnson's simple approach is easily the best choice, as they did on preaching "Anything but Obama, so you better vote for Romney!" then our electoral system wouldn't lean so heavily on just those two candidates.
I can't tell you how many times I've gotten the response "I thought he wasn't running" or "You have to chose between Obama and Romeny, don't you?", when I've stated I'm voting for Johnson.

The public is dumb, and they're being kept dumb by the media. We should be educating them on the choices available and the consequences of those choices, not preaching the best broken route of the broken system.

Anyone pushing Romney onto undecided voters is no better than the corrupted officials of the two party system we seem so desperate to hang on to.

Romney will do this country no good, the same way Obama will do this country no good.

They may not accomplish the same goals, but mark my words neither of them are good for us.

Uh, no, it was the electoral college and math that destroyed our candidate selection process.

And since neither math nor the electoral college have changed, the rational person must utilize them to assist the selection of the least-damaging candidate with the highest probability of success.

Eric Holder , Janet Napalitano, Elena Kagen , Val Jarrett, George Sorors , Socialism or crapitolism . We can fix crapitolism but it is Much harder to pull out of socialism and communism . Mitt can win I don't think Gary Johnson can . I like Gary and Ron Paul But Obama's thugs need to go !

Because we're a lot smarter than you.

Though I don't believe our votes count anymore (I still vote though, can't complain about something you don't participate in), we DON'T have a 2 party system!!!!! Unfortunately the masses in our country have been brought up to believe that those are your only 2 options. In the past, that may have "worked", but we do STILL operate on a multi party system, and I think if more people got out of the force fed 2 party BS, we would start to see some pretty interesting changes occur. Saying it's a waste of a vote is anti-american, you DO have choices...

Which do you think will enable an environment that will ALLOW more latitude to change things for the better in terms of individual freedom and capitalist success?

Umm, the stock market on "fire" you speak of, don't you remember the dot com bubble which burst at the end of his Presidency?
I'll give you the rest.

If you want to get down to the meat of it, the only way anyone's lives will really be changed is with a revolution, be it violent or non violent.

But if we continue with your logic in the discussion, how is getting up and voting for either of the SAME guys going to change anyon'es lives for the better? Haven't we tried that for, essentially, the past 100+ years?!

Change through the political process is the start of a non violent revolution, that hopefully will at least see some fruit bear.

Really, it's only a matter of time before the people decide they're fed up and the violence begins. Probably about the same time they come for your guns.

The 2nd amendment isn't safe with Romeny or Obama in office, not in my opinion anyway.

FFS, if Obama gets a second term it will be because Romney didn't convince enough people to vote for him. If Obama gets a second term, it's because Romney is a PIECE OF SHIT that people DID NOT WANT TO VOTE FOR and the GOP was too fucking stupid to do anything about it.

Why do YOU have such a difficult time with this concept? It isn't that difficult.

Don't you dare.

He just cited all the Republican congress accomplishments that Clinton was dragged into, kicking and screaming and predicting Armageddon about.

That Clinton was responsible for the fiscal success of his term is an urban myth.

Last Edited by The Governor on 10/02/2012 12:29 PM