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When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings

 
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When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
"When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings. Unfortunately, instead of thinking about those people who suffer and deciding to do something to help them, some so-called spiritualists merely say, 'Oh! It's their karma,' and do not lift a finger. And in this way they think they are very evolved: they imitate Hindus! If some people see in this a good reason to wallow in their selfishness, it would sometimes be better that they never heard of karma! That is why we can say that Westerners possess the great quality of refusing to be indifferent to other people's misfortunes. We observe this at the time of famines, epidemics, floods and earthquakes: people quickly send money and organize help. This is fantastic!"

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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
I used to wholeheartedly believe in karma, I even became quite the devout Buddhist.

Then I found a website that was created by gnostics, & they said that karma was just the eastern version of our western 'heaven & hell,' that is, it is a load of bullshit!

I was quite shocked, & even a bit disorientated!! But I trust these gnostics tremendously.

The big problem with karma throughout the centuries is that it had created tolerance for the caste system in India, & probably similar systems in the world.

I no longer believe in karma.

Now which one of my old foes am I going to fuck up first?
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I've been told that sometimes the suffering of people is not necessarily karma, but the decisions that were made prior to incarnating/re-incarnating into their current form. These situations help them and those around them to learn. Everyone suffers as long as we continue to follow our negative emotional responses, yet we suffer less when we choose to FEEL love deep from within our heart and to SHARE that LOVE with others.

For me, karma is not necessarily the life we live, but the events that happen in our lives that give us an opportunity to either live with negativity in our lives or with Love in our hearts.

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sorry, forgot to sign in.
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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
"When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings. Unfortunately, instead of thinking about those people who suffer and deciding to do something to help them, some so-called spiritualists merely say, 'Oh! It's their karma,' and do not lift a finger. And in this way they think they are very evolved: they imitate Hindus! If some people see in this a good reason to wallow in their selfishness, it would sometimes be better that they never heard of karma! That is why we can say that Westerners possess the great quality of refusing to be indifferent to other people's misfortunes. We observe this at the time of famines, epidemics, floods and earthquakes: people quickly send money and organize help. This is fantastic!"

hf
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People are responsible for the effects of causality and creating their realities. Those who focus on the lack of, live in poverty, they abuse their divine powers of manifestation by living in lower states of consciousness. You think therefore I am is a statement of one who has transcended the waking dream state.

If one spends their day in meditation, one can alter their circumstances easily.
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Love and compassion, within every true acting
Thanks for sharing
Truth and Love...
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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
"When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings. Unfortunately, instead of thinking about those people who suffer and deciding to do something to help them, some so-called spiritualists merely say, 'Oh! It's their karma,' and do not lift a finger. And in this way they think they are very evolved: they imitate Hindus! If some people see in this a good reason to wallow in their selfishness, it would sometimes be better that they never heard of karma! That is why we can say that Westerners possess the great quality of refusing to be indifferent to other people's misfortunes. We observe this at the time of famines, epidemics, floods and earthquakes: people quickly send money and organize help. This is fantastic!"

hf
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Who are you and what do you think?

I have been asking this question to myself. A monk says the Japanese have bad karma. The Dalai Lama says you have bad karma and build it back up. put your lives together again and next year we will have a festival. What about standing by and not interfering with bad karma when you are the only one that could prevent it or help just because it's just desserts or bad karma?

Why do we bother to help if it is just bad karma?

There is a missing piece of the puzzle of karma here Switzerland.

And at what point do we purify if it is too late?



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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
Very evolved spiritual people do actually think oh it's their karma and stand back and watch. I think they do it because they think other people deserve their bad karma and may it ripen quickly. Who should I send my money to?

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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
Why would you put out posts and not respond to them repeatedly?



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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
Urban dictionary definition #7 for karma.

7. karma
some say it is a bitch.

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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
karma means "action"


that is all
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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
Freewill is an illusion and karma is no more than a form of social control.

However, with the vision of hindsight, cause and effect can clearly be identified as a linear progression through life, like how a tree grows or leopard hunts - it's down to environment. Simply saying it's down to karma or it is a free choice reveals ignorance of the true purpose of human life - to grow, ripen and bear fruit in a cycle of species evolution.

This is the thread that runs through all life, the only true universal law. Anyother interpretation of it is well, just that, an interpretation. So if you desire to relate it to freewill or karmic conditions then you miss the point of life - being a unit in a species that is evolving due to environmental conditions which impose the rules for survival of that species. In the same way as a plant draws from it's enviroment so do we. Therefore adapt or die.

No freewill, no karma, just DNA programming. Whether or not a God is involved is up to you to decide (freewill) or have imposed by others (karma). Religion is just a species anomaly derived out an ability to abstract, running paralell to environment choices that arrive due to the laws of physics/chemistry/math (etc). When the environment changes, adapt or die.

Hence, for example, one religion replaces another as we abstract and artifact our way through the environment. Any sun worshippers around these days? That used to be the environment condition driving ancient humanity beliefs about their existence and practices.

Ah, but was it someone's 'karma' or maybe it was just 'freewill thinking' that 'proved' the sun is just a heavenly body that operates in a predicatble and measurable fashion and is therefore not 'godly' anymore - unless the sun says 'fuck you, Im pissed with this solar system gimme another...'

..But that would be our karma, right? Not the Sun's freewill to decide which solar system to shine in.
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Re: When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings
"When we know the law of karma, we must not take it as a pretext to remain indifferent to the sufferings of human beings. Unfortunately, instead of thinking about those people who suffer and deciding to do something to help them, some so-called spiritualists merely say, 'Oh! It's their karma,' and do not lift a finger. And in this way they think they are very evolved: they imitate Hindus! If some people see in this a good reason to wallow in their selfishness, it would sometimes be better that they never heard of karma! That is why we can say that Westerners possess the great quality of refusing to be indifferent to other people's misfortunes. We observe this at the time of famines, epidemics, floods and earthquakes: people quickly send money and organize help. This is fantastic!"

hf
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People are responsible for the effects of causality and creating their realities. Those who focus on the lack of, live in poverty, they abuse their divine powers of manifestation by living in lower states of consciousness. You think therefore I am is a statement of one who has transcended the waking dream state.

If one spends their day in meditation, one can alter their circumstances easily.
 Quoting: Kaliki Acolyte 612301


Furthermore, it is through suffering as well as other experiences the soul begins to question the reason behind its circumstances. Thus one should not confuse sympathy, compassion and empathy for they are different

Once upon a time there was a man drowning in a mudhole, a stranger passed by and noted the mans plight and said unto him it is unfortunate however i must be on my way...this man was sympathy...for he saw yet did nothing...

The man stuck in the mud despaired, but a second man came by and jumped in trying to save the man...only to be drowned by him...this fools name was compassion for in trying to help another he solved no problem but was dragged into the mire himself.

And so a third man came by and saw the man in the mud and said...It is unfortunate that you are in a mud hole...I will not help you but i can give you a solution to help yourself...this man was empathy for he gave the man the means of salvation a chance to break the vicious cycle of his spritual condition

One has a left hand and one has a right hand, when one places them together there is a hole...in between..that which is the immovable Fudo Zen!

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