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AN APOLLO FRAUD PERPETRATOR LIST, PART ONE


As many are well aware, research into the area of the Apollo fraud over the last year has been robust to say the least. For the first time, researchers have been able to name NASA personnel and non NASA employees who were directly involved in the design and carrying out of the Apollo scam. We'll explore PERP identities in this thread, discussing the specifics as regards who the Apollo Fraud PERPS were/are, and explicitly why it is that we know them to have been active participants in the fleecing of the American taxpayer. If you have never been exposed to this type of "NARRATIVE ANALYSIS", a study of the Apollo narrative in such detail that PERP identities are revealed, you are sure to find it quite literally the most interesting and exciting Apollo history to which you have ever been exposed.

More than anything else, the employment of this remarkable technique of " APOLLO NARRATIVE ANALYSIS" has been responsible for a rather astonishing turn of events. Proponents of the official story, once upon a scam, had little to worry about given the difficulties our side had in coming up with concrete leads and firm/clear cut evidence for fraud. As such, they enjoyed lives dedicated to the art of derision, poking fun at our side with the ever annoying cliche', "How could 400,000 people keep their mouths shut?". Now, these same advocates of the once official moon landing story are engaged in a frantic and futile scramble to bail the leaking and doomed ship, U.S.S. Apollo.

It is important to keep in mind as one goes through this list of Apollo fraud perpetrators that the balance of the 400,000 Apollo workers not only thought they were involved in genuine high tech aerospace work, THEY INDEED WERE INVOLVED IN GENUINE HIGH TECH AEROSPACE WORK. It cannot be overemphasized that Apollo was not a just for yuks "we're smarter than the Ruskies" scam. Rather, Apollo was a front for space based U.S. military activities. Apollo was a cover for military programs that sought to, and indeed succeeded in, the development and deployment of space based surveillance and reconnaissance platforms. Apollo was a cover for US efforts to improve ICBM tracking, targeting and performance. The reason the fraud/scam worked so well was because essentially everyone involved believed himself/herself to be involved in genuine high level, high tech work, AND THEY WERE. this point cannot be overemphasized. what made the fraud go? The belief of the 400,000 that they were doing something meaningful/important/worthwhile and REAL. For all intents and purposes, they were.


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Whenever large packages are lofted above into orbit, say 50,000 pounds worth, 100,000 pounds worth of hardware, the natural question to ask is, "What is it that you have there in that spaceship?" In 1963 and 1967, the US respectively signed treaties forbidding atmospheric nuclear testing, and space based military activity of any sort. The things that the US military wanted to do with space was forbidden by international law, national law, and could never have received approval by congress, let alone have received approval by the American public at large. Apollo was needed as an OVERT COVER to provide the appearance of peaceful propriety as we launched weapons packages into space during the 60s.


It is important to realize these weapons systems were not/are not necessarily "bombs" in any conventional/literal sense. It is unlikely the US and Soviet Union launched nukes per se into space. But they did launch a great deal of military equipment that was intended to facilitate the operation of our strategic weapons systems; surveillance, reconn, tracking satellite, killer satellites and so forth.

It is easy to demonstrate the military nature of the Apollo program. As many of the readers here may be aware, and for those unaware, you will be interested to learn, that as it turns out, the very best way to measure the strength of the earth's gravitational field back in the 1960s was by way of measuring the distance between the earth and the moon of all things. And, the very best way to measure the earth-moon distance was by way of bouncing laser light off reflectors placed on the moon. Of all the data that was/is important in targeting ICBMs, seeing to it that a Minuteman could/can/will fly straight from a Dakota to Khrushchev's bathtub, it is knowing the earth's gravitational field strength with great precision/accuracy that is most important.

Now this gravitational field strength changes as well from one place over our planet's surface to the next place, stronger where there is a greater relative concentration of mass. Not to over simplify the rocketry problem here, it still cannot be overstated that obtaining precise/accurate/excellent earth/moon distance data, data obtained by way of the Lunar Laser Retroreflector/laser light bouncing experiments, this was beyond paramount in our formulating effective targeting solutions for American ICBMs and SLBMs.

So whether you believe Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin placed the LRRR on the moon at Tranquility Basse, or whether it was done robotically as I would contend, there is absolutely no question that this data was used in the targeting solutions so that we might best hit Beijing and Moscow with big fat fat fat intercontinental and submarine launched ballistic missiles.

Perhaps this was/is fair, nothing wrong with it in a moral sense, dialing in Khrushchev's bathtub courtesy of a super fine LRRR obtained earth gravitational field strength measurement . Regardless, "morality" aside, it is anything but peaceful, and as such, the Apollo astronauts, whether actual planters of laser retroreflectors or actors in staged missions that covered for robotic LRRR placements, not to mention much more, these men, the Apollo astronauts, served in the capacity of soldiers, anything but peaceful explorers.


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In terms of proving Apollo fraudulent, the group I work with is medically oriented, as such, we like to emphasize the following points;

1) Apollo can easily be shown to be fraudulent as the Borman cislunar space diarrheal illness can easily be shown to have been staged. It was not a real illness and the physicians involved can be readily shown to be, for want of a better term, QUACKS, who without question only pretended to practice medicine in this instance.

2) Apollo can easily be shown to be fraudulent as the Alan Shepard Meniere's Disease problem and its miraculous absolute/complete cure by surgeon William House can easily be shown to have been staged. It was not a real illness, and the physicians involved can be readily shown to be for want of a better term, QUACKS, who without question only pretended to practice medicine in this instance.

3) Apollo can easily be shown to be fraudulent as the Deke Slayton well established paroxysmal atrial fibrillation problem and its miraculously absolute/complete cure/resolution by vitamin therapy and/or simple chance, can easily be shown to have been staged. It was not a real illness and the physicians involved can be readily shown to be for want of a better term, QUACKS, who without question only pretended to practice medicine in this instance.

4) Apollo can easily be shown to be fraudulent as the Charlie Duke and Ken Mattingly Rubella problem can easily be shown to have been staged. It was not a real medical problem, and the physicians involved can be readily shown to be for want of a better term, QUACKS, who without question only pretended to practice medicine in this instance.

5) We also look in detail at other aspects of the Apollo fraud. A favorite non medical research topic of the fraud which is a favorite our group's is the Apollo 11 LOST BIRD theme. My group has covered this quite well in other forums;

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6) Our group is also quite fond of demonstrating the fraudulence of Apollo 12 by way of showing the ship was never hit by lightning. I'll eplore that in future posts here in some detail.

7) The Apollo navigation system was untenable, could never have been depended on to work reliably;

Alan Shepard himself admitted he wasn't sure of the navigation stars he sighted. That about says it all, does it not ? I'll take a close look at the navigation problem here in this thread, presenting materials from the Apollo Mission debriefings, testimony given by the astronauts themselves. It don't get any more full on self incriminating than that. Fasten your seat belts space fans.


This whole Apollo Mission THANG is ever so WAY FAKE......
There are other issues, but these should suffice as a start, indeed they are some favorites of mine and my friends. Thanks to members of my Apollo research group for their help in creating the above referenced posts. I'll explore these topics at all the greater length here in this forum over time.

Suffice it to say, much has been accomplished. THE APOLLO OFFICIAL NARRATIVE IS INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT AND INTERNALLY INCOHERENT, IT THEREFORE IS NECESSARILY UNTRUE. Where ever it is that we find such inconsistencies, such incoherencies, we find of course LIARS, and indeed, those liars are our PERPS. I'll explore the list of PERPS presented below here in this thread, a list my friends and I began in another forum and plan on expanding here. And so, without further ado............


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AN APOLLO FRAUD PERPETRATOR LIST, PART FIVE


THE APOLLO FRAUD CAVALCADE OF PERPS

1) U.S. Presidents; Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon (involvement self explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

2) U.S. Secretaries of Defense; Laird, McNamara (involvement self explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

3) High level Apollo administrators;

A. Samuel Phillips, NASA’s Apollo Manned Lunar Landing Program

B. George Mueller, Associate Administrator of the NASA Office of Manned Space Flight

C. George Low, NASA Deputy Administrator, and briefly acting Cief Administrator

D. Walter Kapryan, Launch Operations Director

E. NASA Chief Administrators; Thomas Paine, James Webb, James Fletcher,
(involvement self explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

4) Chris Kraft, director of Flight Operations (involvement self explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

5) Rocco Petrone, Apollo program director at NASA Headquarters (involvement self explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

6) Flight Directors; Kranz, Lunney, Griffin, Windler, Frank III, Charlesworth (As flight directors, these men had the power to “change the scripted
outcomes”. For example, Griffin could have aborted the Apollo 12 mission after the lightning strike. But such meaningful real time decisions can
never be options in the context of SCRIPTED APOLLO. These, in a position to, but never really can make, decision makers, are as such
incontrovertibly identified as full on PERPS, every one. Juicy details forthcoming.)

7) John Aaron, EECOM (Aaron’s retrograde clairvoyance was responsible for the Apollo 12 saving “SEC to AUX call”. Aaron also “knew Apollo 13's O2 tank explosion was a
hardware problem simply by talking to people on the telephone. This, when Sy Leibergot and Clint Black, the actual on duty EECOMs struggled to make
heads and or tales of the fraudulent O2 tank explosion bull.)

8) Emil Schiesser, Mathematician and trajectory specialist. (Well aware of and indeed the man responsible for trajectory slights of hand such as
landing the Eagle at 00 41 15; north, and 23 26 00; east, providing this information to the Lick Observatory astronomers and at the same time not only
withholding it from, but even further confusing his launch FIDO H. David Reed with AGS, PNGS, MSFN, targeted site, geologist/mapping landing site
determinations in radical disagreement with one another. My friends and I find Schiesser one of the most fascinating and capable Apollo Fraudsters
and we affectionately refer to him as “SCHIESSER THE SHYSTER”. )


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9) Charles Berry, astronauts' primary physician and alleged aerospace medicine innovator (Berry’s ridiculously bad medicine in the context of cases
like that of Frank Borman w'ith his phony diarrhea in space, and Alan Shepard with his William House cured Meniere’s Disease, peg this man as the
dangerous quack we’ve all come to know and not like. )

10) Deke Slayton, Astronaut Chief, allegedly assigned astronauts to their respective Apollo flights (involvement self explanatory, interesting details
to follow in dedicated posts)

11) CapComs; Stafford, Evans, Pogue, Swigert, Young, Cernan, Collins, Mattingly, Carr, Armstrong, Aldrin, Brand, Haise, Roosa, Ward, Conrad, Gordon,
Bean, Duke, Engle, Lousma, McCandless, Lovell, Anders Garriott, Schmitt, Gibson, Weitz, Scott, Irwin, Kerwin, Fullerton, Hartsfield, England,
Overmyer, Parker, Allen ( The CapComs were “astronauts themselves”. They provided the earth end of a CLOSED VOICE TRANSCRIPT LOOP. The most
important of the Apollo documents with regard to safeguarding the not very well kept secret of the Apollo fraud was the Voice Transcript. Not a bad
idea when one steps back to think about it. If the only guys talking on the “live” tape of the mission are fraudsters, it eliminates essentially all
possibilities for spontaneous big time gaffes and what not that would expose the ruse. )

12) The Apollo astronauts, Borman, Lovell, Anders , Stafford, Young, Cernan, Collins, Gordon, Swigert, Haise, Roosa, Worden, Mattingly, Evans,
Armstrong, Aldrin, Conrad, Bean , Shepard, Mitchell, Scott, Irwin, Duke, Schmitt, Schirra, Eisele, Schweikert, McDivitt, Cunningham (involvement self
explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

13) Department of Defense Mapmakers (Responsible for the creation of the fraudulent LAM-2 flown map and the descent monitoring chart for the Apollo
11 Mission. Details per dedicated posts.)

14) Bart Sibrel, alleged advocate of Apollo as fraud (Sibrel’s video of being punched by Aldrin when slowed reveals the episode to have been staged as
the video is clearly dubbed at the time of the punching. )

15) Werner von Braun, Nazi rocket specialist (involvement self explanatory, interesting details to follow in dedicated posts)

16) Jack Garman, Apollo Program computer specialist (Gave the “GO !!!!” on the 1202. This was not a genuine decision point, and so as Garman is the
one to “release” the flow of events to its preordained target, he is so identified as a PERP.)

17) Steve Bales is a POSSIBLE. Garmin is said to have given Bales the go ahead on the 1202 alarm. As such, Garmin is a POSITIVE. Bales may have been a monkey played for a chump here, though also possible he was in on it too. Issue requires more research.

18) The Manned Orbiting Lab Astronauts would have been in on the know for obvious reasons. We'll explore this in further dedicated posts on the subject;
MOL astronauts

MOL Group 1 - November 1965
Michael J. Adams (Air Force) (killed on X-15 flight, November 15, 1967)
Albert H. Crews Jr. (Air Force)
John L. Finley (Navy)
Richard E. Lawyer (Air Force)
Lachlan Macleay (Air Force)
Francis G. Neubeck (Air Force)
James M. Taylor (Air Force)
Richard H. Truly (Navy) (pilot: Space Shuttle Enterprise ALT #2, STS-2; commander: STS-8) (Administrator: NASA)

MOL Group 2 - June 1966
Karol J. Bobko (Air Force) (pilot: STS-6; commander: STS-51-D. STS-51-J)
Robert L. Crippen (Navy) (pilot:STS-1; commander: STS-7, STS-41C, STS-41G) (Director: Kennedy Space Center)
C. Gordon Fullerton (Air Force) (pilot: Space Shuttle Enterprise ALT #1, STS-3; commander: STS-51-F)
Henry W. Hartsfield, Jr. (Air Force) (pilot: STS-4; commander: STS-41-D, STS-61-A) (Director: Human Exploration and Development of Space Independent Assurance)
Robert F. Overmyer (Marine Corps) (pilot: STS-5; commander: STS-51-B)

MOL Group 3 - June 1967
James A. Abrahamson (Air Force) (Director: Strategic Defense Initiative)
Robert T. Herres (Air Force) (Vice Chairman: Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Robert H. Lawrence, Jr. (Air Force) (killed in training accident, December 1967)
Donald H. Peterson (Air Force) (mission specialist: STS-


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AUTHORS

19) Actual author of Michael Collins CARRYING THE FIRE, ghost writer of this book, yet to be identified. Certainly, Collins did not write the book. The man/woman who did was privy to at least the fact they did not want Collins writing his own book.

20) Jay Barbree, wrote MOONSHOT for Shepard and Slayton. If not a PERP, very complicitous

21) David Harland, author of many scholar flavored popular accounts of the Apollo Missions. Like Barbree, if not a PERP, very complicitous

22) Eric Jones, author of the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, if not a PERP, very complicitous.

23) Jeffrey Kluger, wrote Apollo 13 with Lovell, possible PERP, very complicitous.

Geologists

24) Gene Shoemaker, POSSIBLE PERP, yet to be confirmed. How can someone so smart be so near and buy in?

25) Lee Silver, POSSIBLE PERP, yet to be confirmed, just like Shoemaker. How can a guy so smart, be that close to it all and buy in ?

Much more to follow. WE'LL UNCOVER A FEW DOZEN MORE WORKING HERE IN THIS THREAD, always do.

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EDIT: Tried unsuccessfully to post this on my other thread, only could get half up for some reason and so will try here. It is just as on topic and appropriate here regardless. Turns out could get it up on the other thread as well, will leave a copy here as quite topical as you shall see.


PHONY DIARRHEA, REAL BULL


PHONY DIARRHEA, REAL BULL


In this post, I'll take a detailed look at the Borman cislunar illness SCAM. I would imagine anyone without prior knowledge of these events will walk away from their reading of this account utterly convinced of Apollo's fraudulence, after all, facts are facts are FACTS........

Let's begin with a baker's dozen and three UNDISPUTED FACTS. These FACTS were presented to the public by our media, not to mention by NASA spokespersons as well. When I make reference to media reports, I mean not only reports as presented on TV, in mags and newspapers, but reports as conveyed in book and video publications/accounts as well. In this post, I'll first present some FACTS, then present some rhetorical questions which emphasize the inconsistency and internal incoherency of the NASA "yawn", erh, I mean yarn. Finally, I'll present my take on the FACTS, give my own accounting of NASA's incoherent story, say why it is that the story is so very internally incoherent, and in so doing, I shall make sense of it all. Ultimately, the only conclusion one may draw is that Apollo was/is fraudulent.

If a reader or two differs, I invite you to give your own accounting of the FACTS as presented. I believe most serious students of Apollo would agree that the facts as presented below are indeed correct/accurate. If you have a problem with one of them, please say which of the 16 facts you have a problem with, and why such is the case.

THE FACTS AS REGARDS THE BORMAN CISLUNAR DIARRHEAL ILLNESS EPISODE

1) An INFLUENZA pandemic created great problems for the world's public health care systems of the time, 1968/1969. The Hong Hong Flu took a million lives worldwide and 30,000 give or take in the U.S. alone . Millions more were rendered ill to the point of complete incapacitation before they were fortunate enough to recover.

2) NASA alleges all 3 Apollo 8 astronauts, Borman, Lovell and Anders, were vaccinated in the late fall of 1968.

3) INFLUENZA vaccines, including that for the Hong Kong Flu of 1968/1969, are not 100% effective/efficacious. As it turned out, the Hong Kong Flu vaccine of 1968 was disappointingly ineffective. Assuming the Apollo 8 astronauts were indeed vaccinated, the vaccine's efficacy/effectiveness would have been no better than 80%, and that figure is VERY GENEROUS, this, given what was learned in the wake of the epidemic as regards the vaccine's performance.

4) Frank Borman became ill "in space" beginning roughly 18 hours after the launch of Apollo 8. His illness was characterized by himself and NASA physicians including lead doc, Charles Berry, as one in which he experienced chills, malaise, nausea associated with vomiting, and diarrhea. The vomitus and liquid feces floated about the zero G cabin and was ultimately cleaned up by Lovell and Anders using paper towells. A detailed presentation of the illness and associated events can be found in Andrew Chaikin's book, A MAN ON THE MOON, a work considered by most, including NASA personnel, indeed the astronauts themselves, as the very best popular account of the moon landing project generally, not to mention the very best accout as regards the details of the Apollo mission events.

5) In the real-time world of the last week of December 1968, the NASA flight surgeons/physicians stated it was their view that Borman's illness was due to viral gastroenteritis. Most lay persons would refer to this as "stomach flu". This is a very different illness from INFLUENZA, much less serious, though it would present a very significant problem nonetheless. Because Borman was viewed as having viral gastroenteritis, it was if not assumed to be case, then viewed at least as very very possible, that the other 2 astronauts would become sick as well, "stomach flu" viruses being so very contagious

6) Prior to becoming ill, given his alleged bothersome insomnia, Astronaut Borman took a seconal pill/capsule his first "night in space" . Side effect wise, seconal would be a medication that may well cause a problem with nausea, and if nauseated enough, an individual might vomit as a consequence. That said, seconal use would not be associated with diarrhea .

7) In the post flight medical report, lead physician Charles Berry reported all the vomitus AND diarrhea was captured/caught in the plastic bags the astronauts used for defecation. This directly contradicts the story as reported in the newspapers and magazines of the time, real-time reports. It also contradicts the story as told by authors such as Chaikin in his MAN ON THE MOON book. Keep in mind Chaikin interviewed all of the principals, and then some, before writing his detailed account of exactly what happened up there in space. Newsmen/newswomen of the day, Andrew Chaikin , and others, all reported the vomitus and diarrhea floated about the cabin. The only report made anywhere to the effect that ALL of the vomitus and diarrhea was captured in the fecal collection bags was the report of physician Charles Berry. No one else makes/made such a claim.

8) Liquid of ANY KIND, floating about a hypothetical Apollo command module poses a significant threat. In James Irwin's account of his experience aboard Apollo 15 , the astronaut reported there was great anxiety when a water leak was discovered, this, because the water could get into the electronic works and short something out, the computer say. If the water leaking into the command module of Apollo 15 threatened the ship's well being, then so too would have the imagined Borman vomitus and diarrhea, posing every bit as much of a risk to the crew and mission of Apollo 8 , this, irrespective of the additional risks to health that vomitus and diarrhea would pose.

9) Water floating about a zero G cabin was problem enough, vomitus and diarrhea posed a duel threat; first of all, just like water, vomitus and diarrhea would have posed a major threat to the electronic systems of the ship as emphasized by James Irwin in his discussion of the Apollo 15 water leak problem, and then additionally, vomitus and diarrhea carried chemicals(e.g. acid) , not to mention pathogens(viruses, bacteria, and so forth) that posed a risk to the astronauts' biologic systems. Water/vomitus/loose diarrheal stool floating about in a ZERO G cabin's "atmosphere" would constitute an unbelievable health risk. The inhalation of low pH/acidic material, enteric BACTERIA, viruses such as INFLUENZA, could wipe a crew out in short order, and simply could not/would not be tolerated. Here's a REAL astronaut addressing the issue of the risk posed by poop in space. In space, there is zero tolerance for poop in one's zero G cabin.

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10) Any person, whether a man actually traversing cislunar space in a ship, or a kindergarten teacher, were he or she to complain of chills, malaise, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, a physician that was charged with helping said individual would gernerate a list, or a "differential" as doctors call them, of possible explanations for the problem. This is actually a simple and staright forward matter, the list generation issue is. I do not mean to imply it was a simple matter in that the risk, the threat, was not significant. So the problem is not "simple" in the sense that the individual might not become very ill, or be very ill to begin with, but simple as regards the fact that acute diarrhea, with or without vomiting, is a common problem, something dealt with many times a day by many doctors, interns, medical students, nurses. Its general UNDERSTANDING is not complicated. As it turns out, there are not many common problems that are associated with both vomiting and diarrhea. One is garden variety staphlococcal bacteria food poisoning. Other things doctors would and do consider when an individual reports chills, malaise, nausea/vomiting/diarrhea, are bacterial enteritis such as that caused by salmonella, toxin based diarrhea such as that which occurs with a bacteria called C. difficile, a serious viral infection such as that caused by INFLUENZA during a period of an epidemic or during the right season as was indeed the case here, a medication effect problem, or space adaptation syndrome. The latter mentioned problem there is "motion sickness" space men get. It is just like car sickness, but a spaceship variety. At that time, 1968/1969, people did not know what exactly the symptoms were for space adaptation syndrome since it was all new. As a matter of fact, prior to the Borman illness, no US astronaut had gotten sick in space, not in the sense we are discussing here, a POSSIBLE disequilibrium problem induced by exposure of an astronaut to zero G conditions. (The entire Apollo 7 crew allegedly had "head colds". But here we are discussing something entirely different. ) As it turns out, diarrhea is not generally speaking a feature of space adaptation syndrome, so that cannot be the explanation for Borman's "illness". However, this was not known in 1968/1969, so it may initially have been a consideration.

11) As Borman seemed to "recover" quickly from whatever made him ill, the NASA doctors responsible for the Apollo 8 astronauts felt viral gastroenteritis/stomach flu was more likely than not responsible. The newspapers of the times reported that should viral gastroenteritis prove to be responsible, the other two astronauts , Lovell and Aders, were at risk. Some papers reported it was even LIKELY the other two astronauts would get ill as well. This, as the virus is highly contagious, and given the close quarters, they would have been a set up .

12) No effort was made to examine the food supply, to check for food poisoning on board the Apollo 8 ship, or back in the states. The ship was not cultured for virus/bacteria. The astronauts were not cultured for virus/bacteria on their return.

13) Upon "returning to the Earth", Borman wrote in a January 17 1969 LIFE magazine article that he had gotten ill in space, became nauseated and was vomiting. He wrote as it was his suspicion that the seconal sleeping medication was what made him sick to begin with, he decided to take seconal, half a tab/cap a second time. In so doing, he could prove his own hypothesis that seconal was responsible for his illness to begin with. Borman reasoned, if the seconal did it once, it would do it again. Borman claimed he indeed did get ill, not as severely, but felt poorly nevertheless, after taking the second and smaller dose of seconal. As such, Borman felt confident that it was the seconal which was responsible for his first and more troublesome bout of symptoms.

14) Samuel Phillips was the Air Force General who served as the chief administrator for the USAF Minuteman ICBM program. Under his direction, the US developed its land based nuclear deterrent, the famous Minuteman arsenal. Subsequent to his directing the Minuteman program, Phillips went on to become the director of the Apollo program. Samuel Phillips is not, was not, a physician. He was a military man, one specializing in the administration of programs working to devebunnyplex missile/rocket based systems. In the May 1969 National Geographic Magazine, Phillips wrote about Borman's illness in his article, an article that addressed the Apollo 8 mission generally. Phillips wrote that in the real time world of the Apollo 8 mission, they had been worried about the possibility of Borman's having acquired INFLUENZA given his symptoms. However, they then quickly realized that Borman was safe, at least as far as the INFLUENZA risk went, this, because the astronauts had all been vaccinated. Phillip's point was that because Borman was vaccinated, he was not at risk for acquiring the Hong Kong flu, his vaccination guaranteeing his immunity to said viral pathogen. INFLUENZA vaccination never has been 100% effective/efficacious. This was well known in 1969, as it is today. Were the astronauts vaccinated, they would nevertheless have still been vulnerable, though perhaps less so if the vaccine did successfully produce an antibody response.

15) Though there may be one such case/example, I have never seen one. In essentially all public events where Borman himself discusses what happened during the flight of Apollo 8, HE DOES NOT SPEAK OF THE DIARRHEA. THE VOMITING, YES, THE DIARRHEA, NEVER.

16) As mentioned at the outset, Michael Collins wrote in his book, CARRYING THE FIRE, that Borman's problem/illness was due to space adaptation syndrome/space based motion sickness. Collins wrote of Bormans nausea and vomiting, but not his diarrhea.

Before I give my own account of how one makes sense of these points, these FACTS, please note that is what they are. They are FACTS. Nothing here is in dispute. FACTS 1 through 16 say nothing about the reality of Apollo , or the lack of Apollonian reality. Granted, this strange collection of FACTS is indeed open to myriad interpretation, though I would and will argue, that my interpretation fits the FACTS the best, makes the best sense. I challenge others to submit an alternative version/interpretation. If a reader has a problem with one of my FACTS, please share with the group exactly why you feel the FACT was reported inaccurately.

Now to move on with some rhetorical point/questions. There are "problems" with these FACTS, problems that drive the thoughtful open minded reader inexorably to the conclusion that Apollo is fraudulent.
Consider the following points;

A) Why is Samuel Phillips writing in the May 1969 National Geographic article that Borman could not possibly have had INFLUENZA given the fact that the astronauts were vaccinated? That is simply not true. Any real physician, any first year intern, could tell Phillips that. Who is advising Phillips? Phillips is not a physician, and if he were, he would know that vaccinating someone by no means guarantees immunity. As a matter of fact, the men that would have advised Phillips as regards this matter, Charles Berry and the other NASA physicians, they themselves were making public proclamations that the astronauts had been vaccinated and were therefore immune. As such, one cannot claim that Phillips was simply mistaken, that he simply thought the astronauts were immune based on his lay understanding of a vaccination's efficacy. It was not just Phillips, but the NASA physicians as well, that were claiming the astronauts could not have acquired INFLUENZA by virue of their having been vaccinated. INFLUENZA vaccines are far from 100% efficacious/effective. As it turned out , the Hong Kong Flu vaccine was not very effective. But that fact aside, as it would not have been known for a while, not known until well after May of 1969, were astronauts to actually have become ill in space in December of 1968 with chills/malaise/nausea/diarrhea, vaccination status notwithstanding, given that plenty of people acquire INFLUENZA AND DIE IN CONSEQUENCE DESPITE BEING VACCINATED, a real physician, genuinely concerned for the lives of his charges, in this case astronauts, would immediately think, "THIS HONG KONG FLU PANDEMIC SITUATION WORRIES ME, COULD THIS BE INFLUENZA?????? IF BORMAN HAS INFLUENZA, ANDERS AND LOVELL ARE SURE TO BECOME ILL GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT THERE. HOW DO WE FIGURE THIS OUT? "

B) Given Borman allegedly had problems with both vomiting AND diarrhea, and given the FACT that food poisoning notoriously causes nausea/vomiting/diarrhea together, why did they not have the astronauts check their food supply, examine it, study it, ditto for the water supply, ditto for the food and water supply from which the astronauts ate and drank prior to "taking off"?

C) Why weren't the ship's surfaces cultured to look for virus and or bacteria?

D) Why wasn't Borman's stool cultured to look for salmonella for example?

E) Charles Berry, the head NASA physician, knew it was true that as the story was originally related to the public, vomitus and diarrhea floated freely about the command module cabin of Apollo 8. Why did he write in the Apollo 8 medical report that that was not the case? He wrote all of the vomitus and ALL of the diarrheal stool was "caught" in fecal bags?

F) Why is Borman taking Seconal a second time if it made him sick to begin with? No physician would permit that. If a genuine ALLERGIC problem as opposed to a SIDE EFFECT problem was responsible for the symptoms initially, Borman could easily die in minutes with his second ingestion of seconal. And even if it was a seconal side effect issue, no one in their right mind would try to make himself/herself ill under such circumstances. No physician would permit that. This is utterly unbelievable and is proof of Apollo's fraudulence in and of itself.

G) On returning to earth, given the uncertainties and what would be at stake moving forward, why didn't NASA work diligently to prove to itself that Borman really did acquire viral gastroenteritis? there is so much at stake with respect to future flights. What if it is the food or water supply that is the problem? What about Apollo 9? !0? 11? What if Borman swallowed a piece of Lovell's poop and so got ill in consequence to begin with? How do they know such was not the case? Well the answer is that they know because Apollo is 10 plus fake and is all made up. But what if it was real? Were this real, environmental people would have been looking at that and a real toilet would have been installed. WAY FAKE, the plastic bags as a toilet thing , WAY FAKE. The claim was made that other persons in the Cape area were ill with viral enteritis and Borman presumably acquired it from them. But if that was the case, why didn't the other astronauts get sick in space? Surely they would have acquired it from Borman, or would have been at super high risk to have done so, no? Why aren't the doctors telling the astronauts to wash their hands? If Borman has viral gastroenteritis, Lovell and Anders are at risk. So where are the precautions? WAY FAKE! A joke, nothing less.

There really is only ONE explanation for all of this nonsense. Apollo was/is fraudulent. In an effort to try and make the narrative, the story, more detailed, nuanced, and therefore believable, they injected these anecdotes into the mission tales: Borman's cislunar illness, the wild girations of Apollo 10's Snoopy in Lunar Orbit, Aldrin taking a pee on the moon( a first), the water leaking into the Apollo 15 command module, the Apollo 14 LM extraction difficulties, the Apollo 16 CM problems that threatened the trip, the yakety yak antics of the Apollo 12 crew and so forth and so on and on and on and on.

Were Apollo real, we would expect anything but one "nominal" event after another. We would expect COLOR!!!! How do fiction writers make their stories work? DETAIL !!!!! Anecdote!!!! The Perpetrators of the Apollo fraud were/are well aware of this issue. To get people to buy this cock and bull, AND WITHOUT QUESTION, THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE TO FOOL ARE THE 400,000 APOLLO WORKERS, THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, THE FEW BAD PERPETRATING APPLES HAVE TO COLOR THEIR STORY WITH ANECDOTES, JUST AS THEY DID WITH THE BORMAN ILLNESS ANECDOTE, a great case in point. If the 400,000 Apollo workers are doing things like "figuring out" how it is that water is leaking into Apollo 15 AND also figuring out how to FIX the problem, if the people in Mission control hear Borman is actually ILL, if engineers are working on solutions to Apollo 13's woes, THIS is what makes the fraud go, THIS is what makes it work.

Clever the Apollo fraud PERPS were and are, but NOT SMART. In some cases, they botched things, realizing too late that their details, in this case the Borman illness detail, instead of adding color in such a way that the fraud becomes more plausible, becomes instead an obvious piece of the story that is simply not credible, and as is the case with lying of any sort, once they realize their lie has been found out, or might be found out because it is not plausible, they tell more lies to cover the first, and then a lie to cover the second, and then 3 lies to cover the third lie and so forth, on and on, until they are left with a mish mash of incoherency. And as my group of Apollo researchers is fond of saying , the official narrative is easily seen to be internally incoherent and therefore necessarily untrue. Apollo must be fraudulent.

So what is the truth here?

At some point, a decision, and in retrospect, at least for the PERPS anyway, a bad decision, was made to tell this story about Borman having diarrhea in space. The thinking here of course is people are expected to think on some level, albeit a subconscious one, or perhaps better said in retrospect, people were expected to think in an "after the fact sense" , HOW CAN THE THING BE A FRAUD? HOW CAN IT NOT BE REAL? IF BORMAN IS ILL IN SPACE, IT HAS TO BE LEGIT? FAKE DIARRHEA? NO WAY". But in short order, perhaps in the wake of questioning by reporters, the PERPS realized the Borman illness anecdote was potentially fatal. It could easily end the entire fraudulent program before it really got off the ground. They realize that if Borman really were ill with diarrhea in space with his stool floating all about, that stool could be INHALED. E.Coli, salmonella, breathing it in. What would be the fallout? Were it simple viral gastroenteritis, it still would be problematic. Anders and Lovell could get very sick as well. Here on earth, stomach flu is no big, but in space? What if all three of them are pooping into the cabin, losing liters of fluid? How are they going to replace it? The environmental system could not even cope with mild diarrhea were all three to become ill, mildly symptomatic. They'd die. Electrolyte problems? What about the vomitus? How is that going to affect their lungs? It is low pH material/acidic, and they would be breathing in microdroplets of it. What about the equipment? James Irwin wrote himself that a small blob of water had the Apollo 15 astronauts worried with regard to its capacity to short the electrical systems. What about vomitus and/or diarrhea? What is that going to do to the computer and the other equipment? Cannot say they would not be worried. They were plenty worried about the water leak in Apollo 15, and that was small volume. We are talking about a much more robust leak here.
Once they tell this ridiculous, and ridiculously damaging lie, they cannot undo it altogether, though they wished they could have. As such, they do the best they can and engage in damage control. By far and away, were the scenario real, from a biologic/medical standpoint, the biggest threat to the astronauts would have been INFLUENZA. They try to make this "go away" by saying that the astronauts were vaccinated and therefore immune. Of course any first year medical student, let alone a full fledged medical intern, could have told them such was not the case, but what were they to do? They had botched it big time, best they could do, tell more lies to minimize fallout They tried to minimize the diarrheal concern by not mentioning it and trying to link the illness to things not associated with diarrhea, seconal ingestion and space adaptation syndrome(motion sickness). NASA physician Charles Berry lied in writing the medical report by saying the vomitus and stool was all caught, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS REPORTED IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES OF THE DAY with Charles Berry himself telling reporters in December of 1968 that Borman's stool was likely to infect the other astronauts as well(Lovell and Anders), this, as that particular virus group, those causing garden variety gastroenteritis, are so very contagious.

And so the not so white lie about Borman's vomiting and puking in space blew up and blew very real stool in the faces of the Apollo fraud perpetrators, and as such, with regard to this anecdote, the official story is simply not credible, being inconsistent, internally incoherent and necessarily untrue.

If you have an alternative explanation, scenario proposal that also fits the facts, or if you object to my accounting of the facts, I welcome your challenge.

APOLLO IS FRAUDULENT

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Care to comment with respect to commander Borman's lack of common sense? The good commander INTENTIONALLY TOOK SECONAL TO MAKE HIMSELF SICK ON PURPOSE IN OUTER SPACE AND SO RISK NOT ONLY HIS OWN LIFE , BUT THAT OF HIS CREWMATES?

Let's say you are in outer space. You become ill just as Borman did; chills, malaise, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. You come to the conclusion that seconal made you sicK to begin with. Why would you take the medication intentionally a second time to make yourself ill again on purpose?

Can you defend Borman's actions? Does it make any sense at all?

Of course not...... Apollo is fraudulent.
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Edited twice, copied and pasted from at least one previous board (probably more like three) and it is still near-unreadable.

Jokes about doctor's handwriting aside, have you ever considered taking an English Composition class?
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I believe I stated explicitly above that my friends and I began working on this perpetrator list on another forum. It is indeed months old and grows by the day.

I'll try to update it here every few months. If we catch a big fish, we'll be sure to post him/her ASAP. If we find we've made a mistake and need to eat crow and take an accusation/indictment back, we'll be sure to post that ASAP as well.

As for our group's work, there is no question in the year and a half we have worked on the Apollo problem, we have made more progress, with all due respect, than any other group of Apollo researchers. As I have stated many times previously, as my groups designated writer, I cannot take credit for this astonishing achievement. Credit is owed to my colleagues. Thanks to them, for the first time in 40 plus years, something is actually known as regards Apollo's true history; what the perpetrators did, why they did it, and who they were. My brief retirement from our group's position as scribe has come to a close. I wish it were not the case, but my friends/colleagues are insistent. They wish me to continue in this capacity and so I shall.

Thanks to them, the fabulous research work of my coworkers at THE APOLLO DOCS OF SAN FRANCISCO HQ, we know the Apollo Program chief physician to be a fraud perpetrator, a rather remarkable discovery if one pauses to think about it. Without a smidgeon of doubt, Berry is known now not as a legitimate flight surgeon/physician, but rather, as a fraud perpetrator.

For the uninitiated, if you doubt this to be the case, try this; google search the following "Charles Berry, Apollo". What do you find? The first ten references include 5 to threads authored by members of my group, including THE VERY FIRST reference.

This is justice, this is as it should be. Berry was no physician, he was a snake oil salesman, a scam artist, and my group's work is bringing that message to the world. Within ten years, my group will have written the definitive history of Apollo. It shall look very different from Chaikin's collection of fairy tales, and it shall of course be true.

Who is Charles Berry? Just google him. Buzz Aldrin, you are next .......


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People do stuff other people don't understand the reason for all the time.

Considering that the reason has actually been explained to you at least half a dozen times the problem obviously lies with you.
Your verbose and confused argument boils down to claiming that people would never perform a medical experiment on themselves.
Maybe you wouldn't but we know for a fact that people have.

"I don't understand this therefore everything is faked" is just another argument from ignorance.

Meanwhile in the real world all informed rational people agree that Apollo has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
If you want to stand a chance in hell of disproving Apollo you will have to disproof the evidence for Apollo.
Spewing logical fallacies only proofs things about you.
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Meanwhile the consensus among the people in the know is that faking Apollo, if possible at all, would have required the collusion of at least many thousand of peoples, if not millions.
Not a mere few dozen.


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I am firmly convinced Apollo was "faked"....with that said, what I get out of your posts is this...

"when we went into space we faked being sick so its obvious we didnt go into space because when we went into space we faked being sick so its obvious we didn't go into space because when we went into space we faked being sick so its obvious we didnt go into space because..."

This dog don't hunt...there are multitudes of better evidence for not going...whether an astronaut shit in his space capsule is not your smoking...err...gun.

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People do stuff other people don't understand the reason for all the time.

Considering that the reason has actually been explained to you at least half a dozen times the problem obviously lies with you.
Your verbose and confused argument boils down to claiming that people would never perform a medical experiment on themselves.
Maybe you wouldn't but we know for a fact that people have.

"I don't understand this therefore everything is faked" is just another argument from ignorance.

Meanwhile in the real world all informed rational people agree that Apollo has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
If you want to stand a chance in hell of disproving Apollo you will have to disproof the evidence for Apollo.
Spewing logical fallacies only proofs things about you.
book

Meanwhile the consensus among the people in the know is that faking Apollo, if possible at all, would have required the collusion of at least many thousand of peoples, if not millions.
Not a mere few dozen.


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BOILS DOWN TO NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS, THAN THE WORLD'S GREATEST TAXPAYER RIPOFF IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANKIND AND IT SMELLS TO HIGH HOLY HEAVEN



My argument does not "boil down" to an attempt at making the point that an individual such as Borman would not do a medical experiment on himself.

First of all, there are many lies NASA is telling as regards this particular issue. The Borman LIFE Magazine cock and bull story is but one facet of a complex multifaceted lie. The fact that Samuel Phillips, not to mention the NASA physicians themselves, are claiming vaccination guaranteed INFLUENAZA immunity for the trio of thespians has absolutely nothing to do with Borman's claim about taking seconal twice. So what if the Borman story went away altogether, say he never wrote that ridiculous LIFE Magazine article, my argument would stand for half a dozen other reasons irrespective of the Borman cock and bull tale about dosing himself repeatedly.

Additionally, there is a lot more going on here than experimenting on oneself. If Borman is "successful", if he succeeds in making himself sick a second time, he may incapacitate himself, he may not be able to fly the ship. What if the seconal reaction was ALLERGY based and not side effect based ? He might have an anaphylactic reaction and die, IMMEDIATELY. Were it a simple side effect problem, he might have diarrhea again and make his colleagues sick as a consequence.

Borman's actions have consequences here. The issue is not one of arguing the point as to whether or not a man would experiment on himself, at issue is whether or not it makes any sense whatsoever for Borman to risk his health, that of his crew, and that of the entire Apollo program itself to simply see if seconal made him sick to begin with. Were that the case, simply a case of experimenting on himself to see if the drug was responsible for his getting ill 18 hours into the mission, well HE COULD DO THAT EXPERIMENT EASY ENOUGH, MORE RELIABLY, MORE SAFELY, AND MORE SURELY AFTER HE GOT HOME.

There is no reason to do it in space. NONE, and there are a half a dozen or more good reasons not to have done it in space. If it made sense to do such an experiment in space, why doesn't Berry mention it? Why doesn't another scientist mention it, and give reasons as to why it was done? Why is it that the only place this weird experiment is mentioned is by Borman in his own essay?

We know from James Irwin, fluid floating in the cabin poses a risk to electrical systems. Last I checked, vomitus and diarrhea were fluids.

If Borman vomits copiously into the cabin atmosphere, he could injure his crewmates' lungs by acidifying the air. He could deal them a case of gram negative pneumonia. Would you breath air containing gram negative bacteria in large quantity? Would you intentionally create a situation in a spaceship where the air contained bacteria in high quantity? There is no need to conduct such a dangerous "experiment". . As such, we can conclude without any pause whatsoever, none of this occurred. This is scripted and very very very very very very phony.

None of this is esoteric, none of this is tricky. There was no reason to experiment in the real time of the mission. As such we know the real time of the mission did NOT FEATURE A REAL MISSION.

Borman is a stooge for writing that silly story about the seconal, but even without it , we readily spot the diarrheal illness as staged for a number of other reasons, not the least of which is the silly story Samuel Phillips and the doctors told about vaccination guaranteeing immunity. The doctors know better than that. There is no reason for them to make such an absurd claim unless they are trying to cover something up, and that something is Apollo's reality. This thing is beyond way fake. It dwells in another dimension altogether.

If Borman had viral gastroenteritis as the doctors said in the first place, why did they not instruct the other crew members and Borman as regards precautions typically instituted to prevent transmission of said virus. The other two men, Lovell and Anders, are at risk. Why aren't the docs coaching these guys? FRAUD !!!!!!

This thing is fake beyond belief, and it smells to high holy heaven.


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Edited twice, copied and pasted from at least one previous board (probably more like three) and it is still near-unreadable.

Jokes about doctor's handwriting aside, have you ever considered taking an English Composition class?
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Thank GOD that nomuse (not logged in) dropped in to tell us he can't read. I guess the rest of us shouldn't either, just because he said that. Next Jay Windbag will be around to not explain once again how 10,000 meter per SECOND rocket exhaust can't ever tear a thin layer of kapton.
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Edited twice, copied and pasted from at least one previous board (probably more like three) and it is still near-unreadable.

Jokes about doctor's handwriting aside, have you ever considered taking an English Composition class?
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Thank GOD that nomuse (not logged in) dropped in to tell us he can't read. I guess the rest of us shouldn't either, just because he said that. Next Jay Windbag will be around to not explain once again how 10,000 meter per SECOND rocket exhaust can't ever tear a thin layer of kapton.
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Comprehension isn't your friend, is it. Notice the word "near?"



Assuming you mean the Apollo DPS, you are about 3x too high with that velocity. And it didn't bear directly on the legs (that would be a rather stupid rocket design). Not that it matters. The same coating on the outside of the ISS are meeting a 7,700 m/s headwind, after all. What matters is force...which can be roughly modeled with a simple inverse-square from the engine throat (assuming that at the point of impact, the expanding exhaust is essentially spherical).

Of course I'm guessing here what you are referring to. Since Jay hasn't been at this forum for nearly a decade, I have to guess at where you are carrying the smarting feeling from. But the argument sounds vaguely familiar.
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HE COULD DO THAT EXPERIMENT EASY ENOUGH, MORE RELIABLY, MORE SAFELY, AND MORE SURELY AFTER HE GOT HOME.
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And abandon the mission?

Again, you are arguing what you would have done.
Borman isn't you.

This particular logical fallacy is colloquially referred to as "If I ran the zoo".
You don't even know the zoo.
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People do stuff other people don't understand the reason for all the time.

Considering that the reason has actually been explained to you at least half a dozen times the problem obviously lies with you.
Your verbose and confused argument boils down to claiming that people would never perform a medical experiment on themselves.
Maybe you wouldn't but we know for a fact that people have.
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It is unlikely that an astronaut would choose this time to perform an experiment that would endanger the crew and the space craft, or that he would be given permission to do so. This is simple logic combined with common sense, something I know you to be totally lacking it.
"I don't understand this therefore everything is faked" is just another argument from ignorance.
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Yes, but what about when you DO understand , in very great detail and the conclusion is it had to be faked?

Meanwhile in the real world all informed rational people agree that Apollo has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
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It could successfully be argued that All "informed and 'rational people" are actually too ignorant or stupid to make an informed conclusion and brainwashed systematically with lies. You KNOW this to be a fact.


If you want to stand a chance in hell of disproving Apollo you will have to disproof the evidence for Apollo.
Spewing logical fallacies only proofs things about you.
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I have done that,using unimpeachable data, the sceintific method ans pure empiricism, by proving not only that official story is scientifically impossible , but by showing a pattern of lies and deception that could only be the result of the covering up of a massive fraud.

Meanwhile the consensus among the people in the know is that faking Apollo, if possible at all, would have required the collusion of at least many thousand of peoples, if not millions.
Not a mere few dozen.
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Your lying, point blank. The thousand of people who worked on the highly compartmentalized project had NO WAY of knowing the part they were working on was not a part of an actual working moonship. The ones who knew were the ones working on the thermodynamic and radiation issues and the few dozen involved in the scripted "event", and they were a very limited number. The astronauts themselves including Armstrong made claims such as that they didn't remember being on the moon or never saw stars while is space. This is so obviously a lie I don't know how nay "rational" person could believe it. Even with the Sun shining on the spacecraft, stars would be constantly visible, it is the atmosphere of the Earth illuminated by the Sun that make it impossible on Earth. The human eye is NOT a camera.

By the way, you are disgusting , lying and self aggrandizing dishonor to not only yourself, but our nation and humanity in general. You are a psychology major trained in disinformation by the unmentionable institute and you specialization seems to the tried and true method of making people who think Apollo was a fraud believe they are making fools of themselves by not going along with the majority. This is a well known and understood brainwashing tactic developed by the institute in England, you know, the one we can name here without immediately be banned? Can you explain this? Thought not. Anyway, your discipline is pseudoscience and it doesn't work, obviously. Psychology and psychiatric have done NOTHING but damage, offering no advancements in over a hundred years of assistance except brain eating HCL suffix drugs, frying peoples brains with electricity, and before the brain eating psychotropics, actually intentionally destroying the higher learning and thinking centers of peoples brains.You're a quack and your techniques don't really work, people will pretend to conform when forced to but they retain their original beliefs.

You know NOTHING of science and have NO BUSINESS commenting on that which you have no idea about.
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Assuming you mean the Apollo DPS, you are about 3x too high with that velocity. And it didn't bear directly on the legs (that would be a rather stupid rocket design). Not that it matters. The same coating on the outside of the ISS are meeting a 7,700 m/s headwind, after all. What matters is force...which can be roughly modeled with a simple inverse-square from the engine throat (assuming that at the point of impact, the expanding exhaust is essentially spherical).

Of course I'm guessing here what you are referring to. Since Jay hasn't been at this forum for nearly a decade, I have to guess at where you are carrying the smarting feeling from. But the argument sounds vaguely familiar.
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You are the individual who INSISTED through pages of argument that the motherboard of a computer is Earth grounded. You are an IDIOT. And by the way, while your at why don;t you tell the people why Jay Windbag won't come near this forum, because I destroyed him in debate (IDW here , fucktard)
I never saw a man who could write so many words that said so little, and who had the audacity to claim expert status when he didn't know basics of the spacecrafts construction or the space and lunar enviroment, Jay Windbag is a fraud, as is Phil Plait, the flamer. What I want to know i why all of NASA's dedicated propagandist are obvious moral degenerates, including you?
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If IDW makes a claim, then the odds are astronomically in favour of the opposite being true. — The IDW-Veracity Test
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And yet you are incapable of posting a SINGLE example of where you or any of your ilk EVER proved me wrong. You were wise to keep your post short, you have no rebuttal to my comments, and you will have none to this post.

Why don't you do the right thing for once in your life? Doesn't the continual lying weight on your conscious?
NEVER MIND, I forgot your 'religion"

You are one sick son of a bitch, a person whose job is to corrode society and truth.
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HE COULD DO THAT EXPERIMENT EASY ENOUGH, MORE RELIABLY, MORE SAFELY, AND MORE SURELY AFTER HE GOT HOME.
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And abandon the mission?

Again, you are arguing what you would have done.
Borman isn't you.

This particular logical fallacy is colloquially referred to as "If I ran the zoo".
You don't even know the zoo.
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The mission has nothing to do with seconal ingestion. He took it allegedly to help himself sleep the first time. He said he took it the second time to see if in fact it would make him sick. His taking seconal the second time can only have a neutral or negative effect on the alleged mission's outcome, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the mission per se.
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The OHMIGAWD-I-CAN'T-BELIEVE-THERE'S-MORE NEWLY Updated Big List of What IDW Knows, version 5.97 (Oct, 07)
(Part I)

IDW knows the radiation dose calculations. He just won´t show YOU.

IDW knows the calculation determining the force of two docking spacecraft. He just won´t show YOU again.

IDW knows and can apply relativistic formulas. He just refuses for philisophical reasons.

IDW knows history. Well, sort of.

IDW knows he could have rigged a remote pilot system in a half-hour, using microswitches and servos, and therefore that´s what was used to hit the WTC with airplanes. He can prove this. (See Penn & Teller´s Bullsh!t series for a solid refuting of this)

IDW knows that there will be a surprise martial law announcement in 2004. Oops.

IDW knows he has an above-average chemistry skill, but just can´t show his work. Nor get the correct answer.

IDW knows engineering. But the stuff he´s working on is way beyond top secret, so you´ll just have to take his word for it.

IDW knows he took off the gloves, but unfortunately no one seemed to notice. What a softie!

IDW knows he can write in a way none of the readers could comprehend. And probably actually spell properly as well.

IDW knows he has invented many well known things. He just can´t mention ANY of them. And his name doesn't appear in any patent database, either.

IDW knows and promises that we´ll all be sorry.

IDW knows who we all are. For we are ALL Duncan Kunz.

IDW knows his I.Q. is very high. You should take his word for it.

IDW knows he will soon reveal how Apollo was faked. Since he´s done such a bang-up job of it thus far. And continues to. Ad infinitum.

IDW knows that they are covering up the Apollo fraud by specifically opposing him and his posts, all the while letting FOX specials on the air that claim the same thing that reach millions of people. Interesting allocation of resources, there.

IDW knows the BA and J are paid to lie to the public, and he´ll cite evidence any day now. Really. Maybe next Tuesday.

IDW knows he can back everything he claims up with tangible data. But never provides the data.

IDW knows he will expose everyone else´s total incompetence. But so far has only repeatedly demonstrated his own.

IDW knows threads are selectively visible on GLP but can´t explain how. He also can´t explain why the threads he claims are invisible seem to be just as visible in Internet Cafes or other public terminals. He has CONFIRMED this. Really. When demonstrated that this claim was directly caused by his inability to use the simplistic GLP search engine, IDW quietly dropped the whole routine, which he'd been using fo *years,* and still did not admit his mistake, changing the subject instead. Intellectual dishonesty? Nah...

IDW knows the government hides HIS posts. Yet they can be found if you search for them in the correct way...which isn't the IDW way.

IDW knows he has irrefutable chemtrail evidence. He just can´t be arsed to produce it.

IDW knows his is the superior race, but he´s not acting like a Nazi. This is an entirely DIFFERENT superior racism thing.

IDW knows he can prove in a court of law that Apollo was fraud. Subpoenas will be served any moment now. Can´t wait to get mine.

IDW knows he will do everything in his power to bring us to justice. However that awesome power seems limited to posting on an internet board.

IDW knows he has given all the information anyone need to know to prove what he says. Strangely, it doesn´t prove what he says.

IDW knows his superior intelligence is self-evident. Well, maybe to HIMself.

IDW knows smart people can´t spell or punctuate properly. It´s as good an excuse for his grammar as any.

IDW knows he has a far larger vocabulary than anyone else, he just chooses not to use it.

IDW knows how to cut and paste basic links, he just chose not to until very recently, after it was explained by debunkers. And then he still did it wrong.

IDW knows he has *evidence* that people are paid to post counter to him. He just can´t provide it right now.

IDW knows DrP and Duncan Kunz are being paid to lie about 9/11 and they know the truth. He'll be producing paystubs on the same day he cites the evidence about BA and J.

IDW knows he´s won every single argument. Even if no one else sees it that way.

IDW knows chemtrails are not debunked because they are accepted as fact by everyone.

IDW knows that if he posts steadfastly that something is a fact, it is a fact. If he´s adamant about something, it MUST be correct. Neat power!

IDW knows time is running out. As for what, who knows?

IDW knows our version of reality is being shot to hell. Strangely, I feel fine.

IDW knows he never lies, except when he does, and then it is justified.

IDW knows and applies the rules of logic. Well, except that pesky burden of proof thing.

IDW knows Google is a controlled site, to keep the masses in line, and doesn´t use it. Except when he does.

IDW knows that "youre full of shit as a christmas goose" is a rational rebuttal of facts, as is "Get a life, fucktard." Socrates would be proud.

IDW knows he has scientifically verifiable evidence, incontrovertible and un empeachable <sic> that proves the Moon is hollow. But he posts only unverifiable, controvertible and impeachable evidence.

IDW knows NASA provides all the evidence to prove the Moon is hollow. Yet their tentative conclusions are in sharp contrast to IDW´s absolutely certain ones.

IDW knows NASA wants to keep the hollowness of the Moon a secret, and yet all his claimed data can be found on the Internet, some on NASA´s own sites. Though he never gives links himself.

IDW knows and understands quantum mechanics.

IDW knows the speed of light is just a really big made-up number.

IDW knows all of atomic physics is wrong, for there is no photon.

IDW knows photons are actually electrons.

IDW knows he has an answer why electrons and photons behave differently from each other in the prescence of a magnetic field. He just hasn´t provided that answer.

IDW knows the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant.

IDW knows that cars that are moving have headlights that shine out faster than cars that are stopped.

IDW knows all physics post-relativity is wrong.

IDW knows that Einstein´s equations do not predict the energy releases of atomic reactions.

IDW knows the energy-state of the observer cannot affect the observed.

IDW knows that relative velocities have nothing to do with relativity.

IDW knows he can explain time-dilation and Mercury´s orbit without resorting to relativity. He´ll be showing his work really soon.

IDW knows relativity is a Jewish Conspiracy.

IDW knows no mass is lost in nuclear reactions. Won´t the reactor-techs be surprised.

IDW knows many distinguished scientists who agree with his theories. He just doesn´t know their names, and can´t produce any evidence of this.

IDW knows he makes $80,000 in a weekend. But instead of going to the beach, spends all his time here.

IDW knows NASA isn´t forthcoming with the spaceweather data, even though it was on links provided to him. By NASA.

IDW knows he tells the truth but everyone else lies. Even though he has been caught lying more than any other poster, and resorts to "Ok, so maybe I was exaggerating."

IDW knows everyone is a racist.

IDW knows if he can´t understand something, then no one else can, either.

IDW knows impact craters should be oblong. All that math stuff doesn´t prove anything.

IDW knows relative asteroid velocities are well under 4 kps. Even though they aren´t.

IDW knows that it is only speculation that Meteor Crater was formed by a meteor. The 30 tons of meteorite specimens collected there is just a coincidence.

IDW knows geologists can´t tell the difference between a fake moonrock and a real moonrock.

IDW knows all of chemistry is wrong, because he can´t believe specific gravity and mass can be measured in units so small.

IDW knows that it´s the human race against debunkers. Strangely, most of the human race doesn´t know him OR the debunkers
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Part II

IDW knows that the English language is intentionally illogical and obtuse. This conspiracy would have a name, but all words are controlled...

IDW knows that he misspells words on purpose. Really. It´s another great excuse.

IDW knows computers are based on alien technology. Surely no human could have come up with the technology. He´ll show evidence of that too, someday.

IDW knows the government has shut down forums because of his posts. But can´t name the forums.

IDW knows the moon is not what we think it is.

IDW knows moonrocks are just magma that solidified in flight, lost all their water, and absorbed an amazing amount of cosmic rays in the seconds before coming back down to Earth.

IDW knows moonrocks were brought back to Earth robotically, even though he can cite no evidence for this, nor produce the robots, nor produce the people who worked on them, nor...

IDW knows he could have designed an automated-lunar-landing-robot that could vacuum up Moon samples (really!) and return them to Earth at age eight. He has produced no such designs. He also appears to miss why this is a particularly silly claim.

IDW knows and has calculated that the radiation doses the astronauts received during the Moon flights would kill them within two weeks. Er, three days. Um, ten minutes. Uh, several days. But Apollo 17 still worked. No, it didn't. Yes, it did. No, It didn't (IDW, make up your mind!).

IDW knows the Moon has "the lowest eccentricity of any known planet or satelite<sic>." When demonstrated that he was wrong, IDW redefined eccentricity to be a measure in kilometers, rather than a ratio to a perfect circle. When Charon was shown to have a smaller deviation in kilometers using IDW´s own unique definition, IDW replied it was a double-planet system. When pointed out that the Earth-Moon system is similarly a double planet system, and then ALSO pointed out that several moons have smaller eccentricities using IDW´s OWN definition, IDW unilaterally claimed victory again. What he had obviously MEANT was that the Moon had the lowest eccentricity of any moon or satellite not orbiting a gas giant, not in a double planet system, not orbiting Mars, and not orbiting anything else but Earth. IDW, to his credit, finally admitted "I was wrong, mistaken" about this point. Only took a year and a half to admit it.

IDW knows that when he unilaterally declares victory, it must be so. Even when he spells unilaterally wrong. And even after he declared victory in the eccentricity subject.

IDW knows that a careful review of the threads in question by an impatrial <sic> arbitror <sic> will reveal IDW defeated the BABBlers on every single issue, from impact energy to lunar composition and density. And don´t forget the eccentricity, too.

IDW knows the radios on Apollo didn´t have enough signal strength to get to Earth. Of course, the probes currently on Mars don´t, either. Or Voyager. Or Pioneer. Or Mariner...

IDW knows water is an element. I´m sorry, that was a typo.

IDW knows water is the only substance that expands upon solidification. Upon being shown others, IDW pretended he didn´t type ´element,´ and redefined solidification, rather than correct himself. I see a pattern.

IDW knows the REAL defintion of organic compound, and water is one, darn it! The rest of the scientific community does NOT know. Carbon? Who needs it?

IDW knows mass must be expressed in units of force in a "force equation".

IDW knows an exponential function is any equation that contains an exponent.

IDW knows craters in outer solar system are of non-impact origin since there are no asteroids out there *today*.

IDW knows there can be no "history" if no one was there to see it.

IDW knows he has ´obtained evidence of at least two bonofide NAZI´s posting at the BABB forum and now operating at the GLP forum.´ He has not shown this evidence.

IDW knows that my analog watch is defined as a nuclear reactor because tritium decay allows the hands to glow. NEST should be at my door any minute, now.

IDW knows he has a report about the nuclear reactors aboard Apollo. He just can´t identify the report.

IDW knows the explosion aboard Apollo 13 was a NUCLEAR explosion. Lovell must be one lucky guy.

IDW knows nuclear reactions were used for thrust during Apollo. He just can´t explain why, if we were using nuclear reactors for spaceship propulsion back in the 60´s and 70´s, we are´t doing so now.

IDW knows the technology to make compact television cameras did not exist at the time of Apollo. Won´t that be a surprise to people who owned cameras such as the Sony CVC-2000 (1965) - the first consumer vidicon camera, and dozens of later models.(See also: www.newseum.org for information the actual video camera carried on the missions.)

IDW knows he never claims he is superior, even when he says "Get on your knees before your superior."

IDW knows all innovations in science come from people like him.

IDW knows he never engages in ad hominem, straw man, poisoning the well, argument from omniscience or other fallacious attacks. And yes, he knows what all those mean without looking them up.

IDW knows space weather data is being withheld, and that space scientists worldwide must be in on it.

IDW knows posts are selectively visible on the GLP forum. It has nothing to do with his bad handling of the search engine.

IDW knows his forthcoming book is destined to be a bestseller. But he won't give the title, nor any information about it.

IDW knows that if you "ask those rocket scientists to show their work on the ascent stage [f Apollo], they'll all balk, guaranteed." Despite the fact that they're work is on the Internet, and in physics texts all over the country.

IDW knows that hidden messages in TV commercials are being used to inform certain people of upcoming events. But no, he ISN´T crazy. He´s not. You can SEE the embedded commercials. Well, can´t you? CAN´T YOU?!?

IDW knows that he is not a follower, he is a leader. Of whom, no one knows.

IDW knows the World Trade Center towers were outdated and thus could be destroyed in the 911 hoax. Strangely, the Empire State Building, the American International Building, and the Woolworth Building, all of which are decades older, are necessary to the nation and could not be used in such a hoax.

IDW knows it is widespread knowledge amongst the American people now that Zionists and Freemasons were behind the murders of 3000 Americans on 9/11 and not Arab hijackers who were still living after the attacks. He cannot produce anything to PROVE this, of course.

IDW knows that Bin Laden had nothing to do with the WTC attacks, even when Bin Laden has claimed responsibility for them repeatedly in the last few years. But what does HE know?

IDW KNOWS that there is no equipment on the moon left by a manned mission and this will be eventually discovered. I wonder what excuse he'll come up with when it's photographed in 2008-09. IDW, seeing the writing on the wall, now says fake equipment may have been placed, and thus now the only evidence he'll accept is photographs taken of the *footprints* on the Moon, so long as America had nothing to do with photographing them. And probably that isn't enough evidence, either.

IDW knows that the average life expectancy has dropped in America in the last ten years. He hasn't shown anything to confirm this.

IDW knows that the AIDS epidemic was caused by the smallpox vaccine. Hoo, boy.

IDW knows, with 100 percent certainty, that cellular technology is used to control brainwaves. He has years of research and experiments to prove this. None of which he is willing to produce.

IDW knows that every word uttered over a cell phone is digitally scanned and recorded. Assuming that only half of the cell users in America spoke for five minutes to the other half of the cell users of America per day, that's over 20,000 hours of recorded conversation per DAY. Now where's all that stored? And who's sifting through it all to listen?

IDW knows the conspiracy against him is 4000 years and is worldwide in scope. Yet this huge conspiracy seems so utterly ineffective against him. You'd think after 4000 years of practice, they'd be a bit more adept.

IDW knows that "You need to realize that the more you use insults and personal attacks without any real arguement the less you will be believed." Yet he uses insults and personal attacks without ant real argument more than just about anyone else.

IDW knows that Stephen Hawking "was poisoned in order to arrest the porgress(sic) his real work. It is not he that speaks throught he synthesizer." Despite the fact that before his illness really took hold, he was largely saying the same things.

IDW knows that he forced the New York State Board of Regents to accept alternative answers that ignore relativity. Yet, strangely, the traditional answers are still correct on the actual test.

IDW knows the word unproven isn't in the dictionary. Probably explains his spelling issues, too.

IDW knows how to calculate radio link budgets. He just has yet to show one.

IDW knows all radio astronomers are lying because they can't possibly pick up the weak signals they claim to. Sigh.

IDW knows that he can think independently and does not accept what he is told without proof. Of course, he knows he can think independently and does not accept what he is told WITH proof, either. Changing his mind or admitting error seem to pose obstacles just a bit too great for IDW.

IDW knows and has confirmed that 74444 works for the NSA, even though 74444 doesn't. Maybe IDW has failing psychic powers?

IDW knows that the physics questions presented to him to test his knowledge were the **exact** questions presented to him on his High School Physics tests. I must be more psychic than IDW!

IDW knows that the inflation problems of the 1970s were caused by the Apollo program. Causes such as the Vietnam war, unwise monetary policy, and oil embargoes had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

IDW knows that the Earth is an intelligent design, but Apollo spacecraft weren't.

IDW knows that "electrical light sources (i.e. light bulbs, LEDS, etc) these electrons come from the power source. Current flow (electrons) into the device and some of the electrons are emitted as light. The remaining electrons return to the power source." Despite the fact that Ground Fault Interrupters, which measure the current in both lines would constantly cut the circuit were there such an imbalance. I guess we've stumbled onto the great Light Bulb conspiracy.

IDW knows that boats and ships are not grounded, because "that defies rational thinking. Any leakage of electrons from a boat occurs through water, and not the ground." I think the jobs of electrical engineers and electricians are quite safe from IDW.

IDW knows the Windows Calculator doesn't calculate to enough digits to be useful. When shown it calculated to 32 digits, IDW then claimed it wasn't scientific, and was inaccurate anyway. When shown scientific mode, and that its accuracy is the same as any other calculator, he begrudgingly admitted it, but claimed he was somehow still not wrong.

IDW knows it all right up to the moment anyone asks him to show his work, or tests his knowledge. Then IDW just kind of forgets.
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Part III (There's a part III?!?!?!?)

IDW knows that if you "ask those rocket scientists to show their work on the ascent stage [f Apollo], they'll all balk, guaranteed." Despite the fact that they're work is on the Internet, and in physics texts all over the country, and give lectures, and...

IDW knows that hidden messages in TV commercials are being used to inform certain people of upcoming events. But no, he ISN´T crazy. He´s not. You can SEE the embedded commercials. Well, can´t you? CAN´T YOU?!?

IDW knows that he is not a follower, he is a leader. Of whom, no one knows. A cult of one?

IDW knows the World Trade Center towers were outdated and thus could be destroyed in the 911 hoax. Strangely, the Empire State Building, the American International Building, and the Woolworth Building, all of which are decades older, are necessary to the nation and could not be used in such a hoax.

IDW knows it is widespread knowledge amongst the American people now that Zionists and Freemasons were behind the murders of 3000 Americans on 9/11 and not Arab hijackers who were still living after the attacks. He cannot produce anything to PROVE this, of course.

IDW knows that Bin Laden had nothing to do with the WTC attacks, even when Bin Laden has claimed responsibility for them repeatedly in the last few years. But what does HE know?

IDW knows that there is no equipment on the moon left by a manned mission and this will be eventually discovered. I wonder what excuse he'll come up with when it's photographed in 2008-09. IDW, seeing the writing on the wall, now says fake equipment may have been placed, and thus now the only evidence he'll accept is photographs taken of the *footprints* on the Moon, so long as America had nothing to do with photographing them. And probably that isn't enough evidence, either.

IDW knows that the average life expectancy has dropped in America in the last ten years. He hasn't shown anything to confirm this, but knows it with typical IDW-100-percent certainty.

IDW knows that the AIDS epidemic was caused by the smallpox vaccine. Hoo, boy.

IDW knows, with 100 percent certainty, that cellular technology is used to control brainwaves. He has years of research and experiments to prove this. None of which he is willing or able to produce.

IDW knows that every word uttered over a cell phone is digitally scanned and recorded. Assuming that only half of the cell users in America spoke for five minutes to the other half of the cell users of America per day, that's over 20,000 hours of recorded conversation per DAY. Now where's all that stored? And who's sifting through it all to listen?

IDW knows the conspiracy against him is 4000 years old and is worldwide in scope. Yet this huge conspiracy seems so utterly ineffective against him. You'd think after 4000 years of practice, they'd be a bit more adept.

IDW knows that "You need to realize that the more you use insults and personal attacks without any real arguement the less you will be believed." Yet he uses insults and personal attacks without ant real argument more than just about anyone else.

IDK knows that Stephen Hawking "was poisoned in order to arrest the porgress(sic) his real work. It is not he that speaks throught he synthesizer." Despite the fact that before his illness really took hold, Hawking was largely saying the same things.

IDW knows that he forced the New York State Board of Regents to accept alternative answers that ignore relativity. Yet, strangely, the traditional answers are still correct on the actual test.

IDW knows the word 'unproven' isn't in the dictionary. Probably explains his spelling issues, too.

IDW knows how to calculate radio link budgets. He just has yet to show one.

IDW knows all radio astronomers are lying because they can't possibly pick up the weak signals they claim to. Sigh.

IDW knows that "S band means side band and it has nothing to do with frequencies in reality, though it is used in certain frequency ranges to maximize effectiveness."

IDW knows that digital images are not real images by definition. It must be that same dictionary that 'unproven' isn't in.

IDW knows that he can think independently and does not accept what he is told without proof. Of course, he knows he can think independently and does not accept what he is told WITH proof, either. Changing his mind or admitting error seem to pose obstacles just a bit too great for IDW.

IDW knows that 74444 must work for the NSA, even though 74444 doesn't. Maybe IDW has failing psychic powers?

IDW knows that the physics questions presented to him to test his knowledge were the *exact* same questions presented to him on his High School Physics tests. What a coincidence! I must be more psychic than IDW!

IDW knows that the inflation problems of the 1970s were caused by the Apollo program. Causes such as the Vietnam war, unwise monetary policy, and oil embargoes had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

IDW knows that the Earth is an intelligent design, but Apollo spacecraft weren't.

IDW knows the definition of irony. Particularly when he writes "you need to stop being so condescending at the saem(sic) time youre(sic) displaying ignorance, its pathetic."

IDW knows physics better than Einstein and Planck, and even Newton and Kepler. He also know electricity better than Gustav Kirchoff, Georg Ohm, Alessandro Volta, James Watt, and André-Marie Ampére. So stop messing with him.

IDW knows that "electrical light sources (i.e. light bulbs, LEDS, etc) these electrons come from the power source. Current flow (electrons) into the device and some of the electrons are emitted as light. The remaining electrons return to the power source." Despite the fact that Ground Fault Interrupters, which measure the current in both lines would constantly cut the circuit were there such an imbalance. I guess we've stumbled onto the great Light Bulb conspiracy.

IDW knows that "hundreds of people die every year due to lightening passing through the protective grounds inside their own homes." The fact that less than 20 of the yearly fatalities even *occur* indoors? Probably just another cover up.

IDW knows that boats and ships are not grounded, because "that defies rational thinking. Any leakage of electrons from a boat occurs through water, and not the ground." I think the jobs of electircal engineers and electricians are quite safe from IDW.

IDW knows voltage is the same in all parts of a DC circuit. Kirchoff's Laws? The same current leaving and entering a source? That's all wrong.

IDW knows that "Impeadance is the same as resistance, and is measured using what the laymen calls an ohm meter." He also knows multimeters have an "impeadance setting." Even though they don't.

IDW knows there aren't any calculators on the web to calculate impedance. When shown that there are dozens, IDW latches onto the legalese parts of pages, claiming that because the creators assume no liability, that they are not evidence -- neglecting to simply do the calculations by hand to check. I've seen this strange pattern somewhere before...

IDW knows Liquid Hydrogen and Liquid Oxygen were not used in the Saturn V, because hydrogen would be impossible to liquify, and there isn't that much in the world anyhow. Oh, wait, he just meant the first stage didn't use Liquid Hydrogen, it used kerosene. But all the cryogenic fuels had to be kept at thousands of pounds pressure anyhow, so the whole Saturn V is obviously impossible...

IDW knows that it doesn't matter that many organic chemists "include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry." He doesn't, and that makes it a fact. And you'd BETTER accept his definitions, too.

IDW knows that "One of the stupidist lies a person can utter is that another is a liar when hes not, without a method to prove it or evidence of the lie." Despite the way he accuses people of being government agents, gay, Nazis, or in league with the message board administrators without a method to prove it. IDW doesn't know what irony is, but he engages in quite a lot of it.

IDW knows that there is no gravity assisted trajectory, since "the gravity grabs you back, and thus you don't gain anything." All those complicated maneuvers are just for show.

IDW knows no rocket ever made a controlled descent before 1969. Strangely, the pilot of the Bell Rocket Belt was flying something that was "not really a rocket." Of course, we don't know what the IDWverse's definition of "rocket" actually is...

IDW knows that "Academia is controlled by special interests that are not really concerned with the truth." Therefore IDW has yet ANOTHER excuse to never test his ideas critically!

IDW knows that debunkers "wont present a well formulated response because you are incapable of doing so. Thats why you resort to the tactics of attacking the messenger while ignoring the message." Yet he attacks the messenger far more than any debunker.

IDW knows he has three computers upon which he tested "the resistance between the negative of the backup battery and the chassis." Except, moments later, he claimed that he "would never run such a test, and have never claimed I would." Ironically, his very next question: "SO how does this prove anything about my honesty?"

IDW knows the motherboard is never grounded on a personal computer, and to do so would destroy it instantly. Proving that the Geek Squad has little to fear from IDW as well.

IDW knows he was "in control of programing the launching of nuclear weapons" for the U.S. Navy. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that none of them will ever actually work.

IDW knows that people on the Internet project their shortcomings onto others. What on Earth does that show about IDW himself?

IDW knows the Windows Calculator doesn't calculate to enough digits to be useful. When shown it calculated to 32 digits, IDW then claimed it wasn't scientific, and was inaccurate anyway. When shown scientific mode, and that its accuracy is the same as any other calculator, he begrudgingly admitted it, but claimed he was somehow still not wrong.

IDW knows it all right up to the moment anyone asks him to show his work, or tests his knowledge. Then IDW just kind of forgets.

IDW knows that he "was born knowing more than any of you will ever know." And how can you possibly argue with THAT?
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Assuming you mean the Apollo DPS, you are about 3x too high with that velocity. And it didn't bear directly on the legs (that would be a rather stupid rocket design). Not that it matters. The same coating on the outside of the ISS are meeting a 7,700 m/s headwind, after all. What matters is force...which can be roughly modeled with a simple inverse-square from the engine throat (assuming that at the point of impact, the expanding exhaust is essentially spherical).

Of course I'm guessing here what you are referring to. Since Jay hasn't been at this forum for nearly a decade, I have to guess at where you are carrying the smarting feeling from. But the argument sounds vaguely familiar.
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You are the individual who INSISTED through pages of argument that the motherboard of a computer is Earth grounded. You are an IDIOT. And by the way, while your at why don;t you tell the people why Jay Windbag won't come near this forum, because I destroyed him in debate (IDW here , fucktard)
I never saw a man who could write so many words that said so little, and who had the audacity to claim expert status when he didn't know basics of the spacecrafts construction or the space and lunar enviroment, Jay Windbag is a fraud, as is Phil Plait, the flamer. What I want to know i why all of NASA's dedicated propagandist are obvious moral degenerates, including you?
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Insisted through pages?

I made the statement. I followed it up with experiment. I posted a photograph of the successful experiment!

You, on the other hand, CLAIMED to do the experiment but lied -- you simply assumed you knew what the result would be. Which is neither honest nor scientific. And throws the rest of your work into shadow (or would, if this wasn't a familiar pattern).

And why did you make this assumption?

Because it is necessary to support your flawed theory of electromagnetism. The ordinary grounding of computer equipment, power supplies, electrical services, generators, radios, etc. are all standing "experiments" that show your physics doesn't work.

Nor does your physics survive the ordinary GFCI.



Oh, I'm not smarting. It is just barely possible that someone here doesn't realize what a fraud you are, so it is worth explaining what you are going on about in the quoted post.



Incidentally, I open this up to anyone. Are any of the wall-powered electronics you own grounded? Is there a connection between circuit ground and safety ground on any one of them? Just one, one that still works, falsifies what IDW is claiming.
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The mission has nothing to do with seconal ingestion. He took it allegedly to help himself sleep the first time. He said he took it the second time to see if in fact it would make him sick. His taking seconal the second time can only have a neutral or negative effect on the alleged mission's outcome, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the mission per se.
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I thought you said he was endangering the mission by taking the second Seconal.

Forget your own story already? Perhaps all those socks are confusing you.
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Outstanding. Thank you so much for this research.