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The Apollofraud is slowly being revealed, as the perps die off.

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Outstanding. Thank you so much for this research.
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You are most welcome. More to follow, keep an eye/ear out. Best to you
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The mission has nothing to do with seconal ingestion. He took it allegedly to help himself sleep the first time. He said he took it the second time to see if in fact it would make him sick. His taking seconal the second time can only have a neutral or negative effect on the alleged mission's outcome, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the mission per se.
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I thought you said he was endangering the mission by taking the second Seconal.

Forget your own story already? Perhaps all those socks are confusing you.
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Not at all. I do not believe there was a mission. I believe all of this is made up.

My take is, and to repeat myself, the Apollo fraud script writers wrote in this illness having to do with Borman to add authenticity to the Apollo 8 adventure. As I mentioned previously, we are all expecting things like this, glitches, problems, and so forth. Think of the Apollo 11 Eagle's troubled descent to the lunar surface characterized by the storied, now legendary really, 1202, and 1201 computer program alarms. Those were written in so the descent scenario does not seem so "nominal" in the parlance of Apollo. Everything cannot go perfectly well, or then we'll know sure as shoot it is all fraudulent.

(By the way, the guys that "fix" the problems, compel the script forward are perpetrators. So in the case of the 1202 program alarm, it was Jack Garman in the back room that told Bales the 1202 was a "GO!!!". Garman is a PERP. We know this because the Eagle must land. There is no real decision point here, the thing being staged. Steve Bales may be a PERP. We don't know that yet, but Garman is one for sure, as there was no one above him telling him what to do. Garman "fixes" the problem, compels the Apollo 11 script forward, and so is identified at that moment as a PERP. He cannot say "NO GO!!!". We have yet to figure out if Bales was a coconspirator in that scenario.)

Back to Borman; upon the commander's return to earth, it is realized that the diarrhea story got them into one heck of a mess. This for reasons mentioned. Borman tries to undo the mess, mitigate the stench, by way of denying the poop in space by virtue of ommiting said poop from his telling of the story. The man or woman that ghost wrote CARRYING THE FIRE did likewise in the context of Collin's ghost written telling of the Apollo 8 cislunar diarrhea episode. Boman says "seconal", the Collins ghost writer says "space adaptation syndrome", both problems for which diarrhea is not a feature, and so it is hoped the loose stool will simply float away.

So here we have nabbed our first PERP, Dr. Charles Berry, NASA Apollo Program chief doctor. He is a QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK, a duck, not a doc. He diagnosed viral gastroenteritis, but never told Borman and the other two thespians what to do to prevent on board transmission of said virus. He never cultured the ship's surfaces on the astronauts' return. Never cultured the ain'tstronauts' stool. Never checked the food supply to be sure there was no food poisoning, and on and on and on and on.

We'll find plenty to be at fault with this incompetent as the thread moves forward. Berry ain't no doc, and it is easy to see. We "got em", dead to rights on his phony scam.

So we see from the two examples just given, a couple of ways we catch the PERPS by carefully reading the narrative. One way, the way we just nabbed Berry, is to show he is acting out of character. He does not perform his duties as a real doc should , "character analysis" has brought him down.

In the case of Jack Garman who gave the "GO!!!" on the 1202, we know him to be a PERP, as he moves the script along, OKs the landing, at an imaginary decision point. We know Apollo is fraudulent, and as such, the Eagle must land. The man that has the power to say "GO vs NO GO!!!" must be a PERP as he gives his command at a "false decision point". HIS NOT BEING ABLE TO SAY "NO GO!!!" , his self identification at a "false fork" in the script's road, allows us to shout, "PERP".

We can begin a list of PERP ACQUISITION/IDENTIFICATION TECHNIQUES;

1) METHOD ONE; "MISBEHAVIOR", a la Berry, a doc not behaving, not "acting" like a real doc

2) METHOD TWO; "PERP SELF DECLARATION AT FALSE DECISION POINTS", a la Garman. In this case, we identify PERPS because THEY HAVE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE SCRIPT. Apollo 11 was not going to abort, ego, Garman is a PERP.


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PERP IDENTIFICATION TECHNIQUE NUMBER THREE; PERPS TIP THEIR HANDS AND DEMONSTRATE FOREKNOWLEDGE;

Check out my newest thread on Gene Kranz and how he demonstrated foreknowledge of the Apollo 13 scenario;

Thread: Gene Kranz's Foreknowledge of Apollo 13 Mission Scenario Proves Apollo Inauthenticity

Working in multiple threads may seem cumbersome to some, though as you'll see, it keeps the discussion clean. In this way, we can all focus on specific topics and not bounce around so much as often times occurs when debating Apollo.


Needless to say, we have identified Kranz as a PERP. Much more to follow on that particularly important player.
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PERP IDENTIFICATION TECHNIQUE NUMBER THREE; PERPS TIP THEIR HANDS AND DEMONSTRATE FOREKNOWLEDGE;
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I thought you already said that?

Check out my newest thread on Gene Kranz and how he demonstrated foreknowledge of the Apollo 13 scenario;

Thread: Gene Kranz's Foreknowledge of Apollo 13 Mission Scenario Proves Apollo Inauthenticity
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Been there, done that.

Working in multiple threads may seem cumbersome to some, though as you'll see, it keeps the discussion clean. In this way, we can all focus on specific topics and not bounce around so much as often times occurs when debating Apollo.
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Odd, you keep starting multiple threads and repeating exactly the same thing in each of them. Are you sure that's a good way to keep things focused?
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PERP IDENTIFICATION TECHNIQUE NUMBER THREE; PERPS TIP THEIR HANDS AND DEMONSTRATE FOREKNOWLEDGE;
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I thought you already said that?

Check out my newest thread on Gene Kranz and how he demonstrated foreknowledge of the Apollo 13 scenario;

Thread: Gene Kranz's Foreknowledge of Apollo 13 Mission Scenario Proves Apollo Inauthenticity
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Been there, done that.

Working in multiple threads may seem cumbersome to some, though as you'll see, it keeps the discussion clean. In this way, we can all focus on specific topics and not bounce around so much as often times occurs when debating Apollo.
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Odd, you keep starting multiple threads and repeating exactly the same thing in each of them. Are you sure that's a good way to keep things focused?
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BITE SIZED FRAUD TIDBITS, THE ONLY WAY TO UNRAVEL OL' BRISTLE HEAD'S SCAM

Let's take a look at the rationale for working in multiple threads. It is a great topic in and of itself. I'll present a bit of a primer here. Why we do it. In making my presentation, my argument for the beauty of the multiple thread approach, I'll actually present a new little piece of evidence for Apollo fraud, just so as we have something concrete to work with.

For those that haven't seen this kind of work before, having an example will be quite helpful, useful, as you'll see. Though in point of fact, and to be sure, this entire thread and my work here in this forum is itself an example of this remarkably effective approach, the presentation of Apollo as fraud in a debate forum context by way of multiple, cross referenced, independent topics, which can be used in support of one another as circumstances demand.

Working Apollo from a multiple thread approach is a technique my friends and I developed working over at a different forum. As you'll see, it proves to be the most very effective, most logical approach.

Apollo is essentially a long long narrative. A tale told by way of technical papers, formal reports such as "mission reports", anecdotal accounts such as biographies(either alleged D rate thespian ain'tstronaut self written(such as that ascribed to Collins)) or coauthored(say Lovell's Apollo 13), pictures/photos, videos, movies. It is a narrative told by both honest NASA workers(for example EECOM Sy Leibergot) and PERPETRATORS(for example arch PERP and American taxpayer rip off artist EECOM John Aaron). The story as told by myriad voices in myriad form is exceedingly complex. By its very nature, it is a story characterized by claim and counter claim. It is EASILY EASILY EASILY the most complex piece of history ever "penned", the most complex official story ever presented to the world by an absolute authority "of sorts".

Whereas some Apollo fraud researchers such as Jarrah White focus for want of a better term on, "the science of Apollo", those of my ilk focus on APOLLO'S STORY PER SE, APOLLO AS A COMPLEX NARRATIVE, AN INTERNALLY INCOHERENT AND THEREFORE NECESSARILY UNTRUE NARRATIVE. Though not obvious to most, the reason for this orientation, this focus of my group's, will become apparent and indeed compelling for those that take the time and energy to follow my posts and independently confirm my claims. Simple but vigilant/diligent attention to the narrative's detail reveals the narrative to be strikingly inconsistent, internally incoherent. The pictures sometimes don't match that which is said, a map is found to not be what its mapmakers say it to be, and so forth.

Such inconsitencies, internal incoherencies , obviate the need for scientific analysis of the type that researchers like White do, at least as regards proving Apollo fraudulent. It is not that what White and others do doesn't have value, of course Jarrah's work has tremendous value. It is just that when it comes to simply proving Apollo fraudulent, there is no need to prove a human being could not tolerate the radiation exposure of passing through the Van Alen Belt. And in a sense it is IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE. No one has done it, and for the forseeable future, no one is going to attempt it.

On the other hand, if Sy Leibergot provides one accounting of a particular event, and his accounting is supported by a photo TO PROVE HIS TAKE ON THINGS, and if tax payer rip off artist, ain'tstronaut John Young, provides an alternative accounting without photographic support, and if we in addition have reasons to believe Leibergot's accounting of events and find Young's presentation to be steeped in nefarious motivation, then THIS INCONSISTENCY, THIS INTERNAL INCOHERENCY, IN AND OF ITSELF CONSTITUTES POWERFUL AND INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE OF FRAUD. No moon rock analysis required, no moonscape photographic analysis required.

For the longest time, Apollo fraud work has in a sense favored the PERPS, as said research in both its real and metaphorical senses has been about rocks and photos. And so two sides shout over a pile of stones, stacks of photos. One side says, "THEY ARE REAL BECAUSE WE SAY SO". The other side shouts, "FAKE!!!!!". But given the circumstances, there really can be no resolution in this sense, as the PERPS have authority to back up their otherwise empty claims of authenticity.

BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, on the other hand, the PERPS are COMMITTED to the story they have told, and like criminals who have been forced by a detective to commit to one version of things, once we show the crooks are doubling back and telling the same story different ways, once we show the story to be inconsistent/incoherent, once we prove they are lying, then we can be satisfied that we have incontrovertibly demonstrated Apollo to be fraudulent.

If John Young is shown/proven to be lying about a particular experience of his in the context of the Apollo narrative, then Apollo is so shown to be fraudulent, for there is only one reason for Young to lie as such. HE IS COVERING UP THE APOLLO SCAM, SIMPLE AS THAT. AND PROVING JOHN YOUNG, AIN'TSTRONAUT AND TAXPAYER RIP OFF ARTIST, TO BE A LIAR WITH RESPECT TO HIS TELLING OF THE APOLLO TALE, IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE A DOZEN TIMES OVER, DITTO FOR ARMSTRONG, ALDRIN, COLLINS AND THE REST OF THE NIT WIT D RATE THESPIAN AIN'TSTRONAUTS. MY GROUP HAS DEMONSTRATED INCONTROVERTIBLY APOLLO TO BE BOGUS, GAME SET MATCH, ITS OVER BABY, TAKE IT TO THE BANK.

Our case in point, our subject for our PERP chop busting pleasure today, is that of Sy Leibergot's telling of the Apollo 13 drama from his little perch at the EECOM console in the Houston MOCR. Leibergot claims that no one but flight officers was in the Mission Control Room at the time the drama began, and such was indeed the case also for that tense period of time after the phony O2 tank had its phony explosion, true during that period of time in which Leibergot genuinely struggled with a phony, A SIMULATED problem, trying to determine if the funny readings he was getting on his EECOM screen were due to a problem with his instruments, as opposed to a genuine mechanical failure with perfectly good instruments not malfunctioning, but rather, reporting a very real Command Module loss of power due to the ship's being depleted of its oxygen supply.

Consider this marvelous little video produced by a pair of my friends;



According to Sy Leibergot, during the period of Sy's struggles to diagnose the apparent failure's general root cause, its etiology, instrumentational vs genuine mechanical, Young has made the claim that he stood behind Leibergot, looking over THE EECOM's shoulder, and commented to Sy in the real time of the Apollo 13 drama that the screen upon which Leibergot gazed was filled with facts, facts that indicated this was a mechanical failure and not an instrumentational problem, that oxygen was genuinely leaking from the ship, and that the Apollo 13 thespians were in great danger, their lives at genuine risk, they well might die.

Leibergot, as you heard yourselves in the little video my friends made, clearly and unequivocally stated that Young's accunting was/is INCORRECT, NO ONE AT ALL WAS THERE IN THE MOCR TO BEGIN WITH, AND LEIBERGOT SHOWS A PHOTO TO PROVE IT. HE EXPLICITLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY STATES THAT YOUNG WAS NOT THERE, THAT YOUNG WAS NOT LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER.

Leibergot is of course an honest man, and was not a fraud perpetrator. His take, at least publicly, is that Young is simply mistaken. Memory being a funny thing. (This does bring up the point as an aside, not worth discussing in detail here, but certainly worth mentioning, that there may be a significant number of flight officers that secretly have suspicions as to the realities of Apollo. Perhaps Leibergot states publicly that Young was mistaken, but privately has other views altogether. My group has made contact with former flight officers who have indicated such to be the case, albeit not explicitly so.)

For those not aware, Young has always made this contention, from the time of Apollo 13's real time days, to the September 2012 publication of his bogus yarn, FOREVER YOUNG: A Life of Adventure in Air and Space, written with coauthor and ain'tstronaut heiny magnet and sycophant James Hansen.


So what happened? Why the discrepancy. Well, in the real time wold of the bogus Apollo 13 drama, the script involved Lovell's making the comment 14 minutes give or take from the time of the "explosion", that the ship was "venting a gaseous substance". The intention of course was to have the flight officers BITE and press them by delivering this false clue/hint to draw the conclusion that oxygen was leaking from the ship. Note that it is important in the context of this fraud, that the honest Apollo workers be lead down the primrose path and DRAW THESE CONCLUSIONS THEMSELVES. Because the Apollo 13 service bay contains Oxygen, Nitrogen, Helium, Water, Hydrogen; LOVELL HIMSELF CANNOT SAY THAT THE SHIP IS LEAKING OXYGEN, OTHERWISE WE WILL IDENTIFY HIM AS A PERP. WERE LOVELL TO SAY, "WE ARE VENTING OXYGEN FROM THE SHIP", AT THAT POINT IN TIME, ONLY 14 MINUTES FROM THE TIME OF THE STAGED EXPLOSION, HE WOULD BE TIPPING HIS HAND AND SHOW THAT HE HIMSELF, D RATE AIN'TSTRONAUT THESPIAN LOVELL, HAD FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE SCENARIO. SO NUMB SKULL LOVELL CAN ONLY SAY THE SHIP IS VENTING A GASEOUS SUBSTANCE, AS H2, N2, HELIUM, H20 AND O2 , NOT TO MENTION OTHER MATERIALS, MIGHT BE THE SUBSTANCE VENTING FROM THE SHIP.

More intelligent, and a better EECOM than anyone could have possibly imagined, Leibergot and his associates draw the correct conclusion; ANYTHING COULD BE VENTING, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE SHIP IS LOST. Unfortunately for the PERPS, GENE KRANZ AIN'T SO SMART. BRISTLE HEAD WENT AHEAD AND DELIVERED HIS RA RA RA RA SPEECH, INDICATING THE LM COULD BE USED AS A LIFEBOAT, WAY PREMATURELY. THE VESTED PANTIE WASTE MADE THIS STATEMENT ABOUT THE LM BEING USED AS A LIFEBOAT ONE MINUTE AFTER LOVELL MADE THE VENTING O2 COMMENT. THEY HAD ASSUMED THE FLIGHT OFFICERS WOULD HAVE BITTEN ON THE BOGUS CLUE/HINT AND WOULD THEMSELVES HAVE IDENTIFIED THE SUBSTANCE AS 02, AND AS THEY IN FACT DID NOT, KRANZ'S DELIVERY OF THIS SPEECH PREMATURELY FRAMES HIMSELF, INCRIMINATES HIMSELF, AS A MAN WITH FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE O2 TANK EXPLOSION SCENARIO AND SO IDENTIFIES THE VESTED BRISTLE HEADED PANTIE WASTE TO US, NOW SOME 40 YEARS LATER, AS AN APOLLO FRAUD PERPETRATOR. And the curious reader can read all about this in my thread dedicated to this topic;

Gene Kranz's Foreknowledge of Apollo 13 Mission Scenario Proves Apollo Inauthenticity

Thread: Gene Kranz's Foreknowledge of Apollo 13 Mission Scenario Proves Apollo Inauthenticity

Now my going out of my way to set all this up for the express purpose of demonstrating the effectiveness of this technique, makes this particular example a little awkward. But the reader now gets the point. Were I to want to make reference to the bogus GENE KRANZ LET'S USE THE LM AS A LIFEBOAT SPEECH/GAFFE in the the context of any thread, as I did here in this post about the Young/Leibergot difference of the realities of the real-time world of the Houston MOCR, I simply can link to the other thread.

In this case, Kranz's gaffe, his premature announcement of LM as lifeboat, compelled them to patch things up with another lie. Both John Young and Edwin Mitchell, made and make claims that they were in the MOCR at this time and knew early on, 14 minutes in, at the time of the Lovell venting a gaseous substance proclamation, that the problem was real, that O2 was actually leaking into the real world of cislunar space, that the ship was in bona fide trouble, and as such, Kranz's gaffe becomes no longer a gaffe, but something quite reasonable. If Young and Mitchell knew there was a problem with a genuine O2 leak 14 minutes in, then Kranz is entitled to make his premature announcement. That is what they hoped to achieve by way of the Young LIE

The truth of course is that neither Mitchell, nor Young were in the MOCR that early on. They were there to be sure, but only later. No one was looking over Leibergot's shoulder at that point in time. People looked, rubbernecked, but not until much later. So we see the lies of Young and Mitchell were INJECTED INTO THE NARRATIVE SUBSEQUENTLY, AFTER THE FACT, AS THOUGH THEY WERE REAL TIME EVENTS. THIS OCCURRED WHEN THE APOLLO FRAUD PERPETRATORS REALIZED KRANZ HAD SHOT HIS FAT BRISTLE HEADED, VESTED, PANTIE WASTED BIG MOUTH OFF WAY TOO EARLY.

The thread about Kranz and his gaffe will have its own life. There is much more I will have to say about the Bristle Head's gaffe, and so that thread will be developed in its own right, and indeed, Apollo fraudulence can be demonstrated on the basis of that one gaffe in and of itself. That said, as time goes on, there will be many situations in which I will want to make reference to Kranz's gaffe, for whatever reason, for example as I did here, to explain why it was that Young told, and continues to tell, this lie in the first place. Rather than have to explain things over and over a million different times, my threads cross reference one another in a convenient way so that the flow of the active thread is not disturbed. I can discuss Young's lie, its motivation, without a huge Gene Kranz gaffe digression. I can simply link the thread dealing with the Kranz RA RA RA Speach Gaffe, readers can educate themselves regarding this particular point, and the flow of my work regarding the Young point moves smoothly on. You'll see, this technique provides a nifty way to handle the difficulties of presenting a fraudulent story this immense, this complex.

Apollo is so very complicated, such a long and difficult, heinously inconsistent and internally incoherent story, that the solution to its written presentation, the solution to helping others understand the machinations, the logistics of the fraud, demands this approach. Often times, posters from the other side seek to distract us by leading any given discussion off in a direction of their choosing. By presenting things this way, our side maintains its rightful and ever so truthful control.

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Actually, your reason for multiple threads is clear. It is to throw up too much bull to be worth anyone's effort to respond to it.

This is also why every one of your posts is a hodge-podge of different claims, and you never respond directly to anyone's questions.

Here's a thought. Why don't you just hire a Boswell? Someone who is on salary to follow you about and constantly exclaim, "Why, that's marvelous!"
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Have at it, pose a question. I claim John Young lied when he said he was standing behind Sy Leibergot in Mission Control at the time Leibergot was making his first claims that the problem might be instrumentational. Leibergot agrees with, says Young wasn't there. Pretty straightforward nomuse. What would you like to know? If I need help with your question, I'll be sure to consult Sy before i answer so you really can get you facts straight.
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ON THE TOPIC OF MAKING FUN OF THE AIN'TSTRONAUTS AND OTHER PERPS

Some may say this is a bit underhanded, at least simply uncalled for. My experience has been, those of us that engage in the childish practice of name calling, the antic of name calling, calling the ain'tstronauts thespians, calling Kranz a Bristle Head, and so forth, we do this as a relatively harmless enough activity to vent our anger. Works for me.

Needless to say, we are a tad ticked off. As my friends and I are fond of saying, "Don't urinate on my back and then turn around and tell me it is only raining".

More importantly however, all this stuff gets back to these guys, not the part about calling Kranz a "Bristle Headed, Vested, PANTIE WAISTED WUSS", but rather the part about our knowing he is a fraud, and not for just any reason, but for the explicit reason of our CATCHING HIM MAKING A STATEMENT WHICH REFERENCED FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE APOLLO 13 O2 EXPLOSION SCENARIO. HE NOT ONLY KNOWS THAT WE KNOW HE IS A FRAUD, BUT EXACTLY WHY AND HOW WE KNOW, AND THAT HURTS, BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG TIME.

Kranz has learned through the appropriate channels, not only that we are aware of his hand in all of this, but he's been apprised of the specifics, the explicits of what we know. Kranz needs to know these things, what the public is aware of, so that he is not ambushed in an interview, not blasted in a public appearance by someone like myself. I CAN EASILY NAIL HIM, EMBARRASS HIM PUBLICLY AT THIS OR THAT TALK, IF HE IS NOT FOREWARNED ABOUT FOLKS LIKE MYSELF. Pissed off American patriot types. People that are just a tad disgusted with the PERPS' disgracing our country like this.

One of the roles we perform as serious Apollo researchers exposing all of this fraud nonsense, and it is rather easy by the way, these clowns are so incompetent, most of them couldn't ride a bike 'cross town let alone make it to the moon, is to mete out just a smidgen of justice.

Kranz may well die before Apollo becomes publicly acknowledged as the fraud it is, though its exposure as such is inevitable within the next decade. That said, because of my group's work, and the work of others, Kranz has to try and sleep at night knowing that his misdeeds, THE PARTICULARS OF HIS OWN PERSONAL FRAUD ACTIVITIES, ARE KNOWN TO MORE THAN JUST A FEW OF US. THAT MUST BE EXTREMELY DISTURBING, UNSETTLING TO THE CORE OF THE BRISTLE HEADED, VESTED, PANTIE WAISTED WUSS. So he realizes that his name will not be honored as time presses forward with her march. Rather, Kranz realizes his name will be one that dwells among the ranks of the infamous, Benedict Arnold types ya' know.

It's not perfect justice, but when you pause to think about it, sure is pretty dang sweet.


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I'll give you one thing RelentlesslyStupid. You are very good at cutting and pasting, and repeating the same flawed and debunked arguments over and over and over again.

And you talk about poop a lot, and I find that strange. You seem obsessed with faeces. You are not a turd burglar by any chance are you? You know, an asshole bandit; someone who likes looking up the old clay track?
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Cutting and pasting? Took me 3 hours to write, post and edit this am's essay. Pretty good ain't it?

The Apollo Docs of SF, we are the best, granted, thanks to my dear friends.

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Outstanding. Thank you so much for this research.
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It is good research.
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I'll give you one thing RelentlesslyStupid. You are very good at cutting and pasting, and repeating the same flawed and debunked arguments over and over and over again.

And you talk about poop a lot, and I find that strange. You seem obsessed with faeces. You are not a turd burglar by any chance are you? You know, an asshole bandit; someone who likes looking up the old clay track?
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Cutting and pasting? Took me 3 hours to write, post and edit this am's essay. Pretty good ain't it?

The Apollo Docs of SF, we are the best, granted, thanks to my dear friends.
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Why are you referring to yourself in the plural? We all you it is just you and you are not a doctor.
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Who might that avatar be, if not DrTea?
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I started a nice dedicated thread on the topic of the Apollo Hasselblad cameras.

Thread: Tossing Expensive Cameras Proves Apollo Inauthenticity

and my contention that their being left on the moon proved Apollo's inauthenticity.


I mention it here in the PERP LIST THREAD as these facts as regards the Apollo Hasselblads, especially the camera that made the staged Apollo 11 voyage, result in an indictment of the head of photography for the moon landings. I cannot recall the man's name offhand. I'll have to look it up for the group here. If anyone knows/remembers, please post it for us.


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ON THE TOPIC OF MAKING FUN OF THE AIN'TSTRONAUTS AND OTHER PERPS

Some may say this is a bit underhanded, at least simply uncalled for. My experience has been, those of us that engage in the childish practice of name calling, the antic of name calling, calling the ain'tstronauts thespians, calling Kranz a Bristle Head, and so forth, we do this as a relatively harmless enough activity to vent our anger. Works for me.
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Then it's perfectly okay in your book to call Dr. Patrick Tekeli, of San Francisco, CA, a psychotic thug who murders his patients and plays in scat?

[link to www.healthgrades.com]

Needless to say, we are a tad ticked off. As my friends and I are fond of saying, "Don't urinate on my back and then turn around and tell me it is only raining".
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You are more than a tad ticked off, Patrick, you're positively furious. The thing is, you have never actually explained why you are so angry at the world. Your whole Apollo obsession is all in your head. You must realize this. Are you angry at the world because you are no longer allowed to practice medicine?

More importantly however, all this stuff gets back to these guys, not the part about calling Kranz a "Bristle Headed, Vested, PANTIE WAISTED WUSS", but rather the part about our knowing he is a fraud, and not for just any reason, but for the explicit reason of our CATCHING HIM MAKING A STATEMENT WHICH REFERENCED FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE APOLLO 13 O2 EXPLOSION SCENARIO. HE NOT ONLY KNOWS THAT WE KNOW HE IS A FRAUD, BUT EXACTLY WHY AND HOW WE KNOW, AND THAT HURTS, BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG TIME.
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No, Patrick. Some of them find your antics amusing. Some simply pity you. Your pain is obvious.

Kranz has learned through the appropriate channels, not only that we are aware of his hand in all of this, but he's been apprised of the specifics, the explicits of what we know. Kranz needs to know these things, what the public is aware of, so that he is not ambushed in an interview, not blasted in a public appearance by someone like myself. I CAN EASILY NAIL HIM, EMBARRASS HIM PUBLICLY AT THIS OR THAT TALK, IF HE IS NOT FOREWARNED ABOUT FOLKS LIKE MYSELF. Pissed off American patriot types. People that are just a tad disgusted with the PERPS' disgracing our country like this.
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So why not write a book? Hold a press conference? You have already passed up several opportunities to debate the issue publicly. This suggests that you know your claims don't hold water.

One of the roles we perform as serious Apollo researchers exposing all of this fraud nonsense, and it is rather easy by the way, these clowns are so incompetent, most of them couldn't ride a bike 'cross town let alone make it to the moon, is to mete out just a smidgen of justice.
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Are you familiar with the psychological phenomenon called "projection?" Why do you feel so incompetent, Patrick? Is it because you can't practice medicine any more?

Kranz may well die before Apollo becomes publicly acknowledged as the fraud it is, though its exposure as such is inevitable within the next decade. That said, because of my group's work, and the work of others, Kranz has to try and sleep at night knowing that his misdeeds, THE PARTICULARS OF HIS OWN PERSONAL FRAUD ACTIVITIES, ARE KNOWN TO MORE THAN JUST A FEW OF US. THAT MUST BE EXTREMELY DISTURBING, UNSETTLING TO THE CORE OF THE BRISTLE HEADED, VESTED, PANTIE WAISTED WUSS. So he realizes that his name will not be honored as time presses forward with her march. Rather, Kranz realizes his name will be one that dwells among the ranks of the infamous, Benedict Arnold types ya' know.
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There is no group, Patrick. You and your sock puppets talk to each other all across the internet, but nobody pays them any mind. Who have you betrayed, Patrick? Why do you feel like Benedict Arnold? Is it because after all the work you did on the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal you are now doing everything in your feeble power to hurt the people you worked with? Or do you feel they are the ones who betrayed you? Try being honest with yourself, and you won't need to lie to others the way you do.

It's not perfect justice, but when you pause to think about it, sure is pretty dang sweet.
 Quoting: RelentlesslySadistic


No, Patrick. It only makes other people sad. If you undue the vandalism you spewed on Neil Armstrong's obituary, I will leave you alone.


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You might also want to consider editing for content before you post.
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I say "we" as though I do all of the posting for my group, I do not do most of the heavy research, the digging through mags, newspapers, books, videos. Our group has tried other scribes, but it seems everyone favors my continuing on in the role and so I shall, though in a decreased capacity. We are working on some films about other things, though Apollo is a topic. I'll send you a link to our bicycle movie when it comes out if you like. It is quite good. Best to you, RC.......

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With regard to the indictment of NASA's Dr. Charles Berry as an Apollo Program Fraud PERPETRATOR, here are a couple of posts that serve as a bit of an introduction to the Mattingly rubella scam.

Thread: Tossing Expensive Cameras Proves Apollo Inauthenticity

Thread: Tossing Expensive Cameras Proves Apollo Inauthenticity (Page 2)

I'll have dedicated threads up on all four of my group's favorite medical subjects in time;

1) Ken Mattingly rubella scam

2) Alan Shepard phony Meniere's Disease scam

3) Deke Slayton phony a-fib scam

4) Frank Borman dime store phony poop scam(Already up, Thread: The Apollo Scam In A Nutshell

and we'll introduce some new ones here as well on GLP

Should be pretty clear by now why it is we like/I like to work in multiple threads. Keeps things nice and clean. this way, can treat the Mattingly rubella scam and the leaving Hasselblads oin the moon jive in dedicated threads, and then link here with how these various issues impact the PERP list.
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MORE AND NEW NEW NEW NEW EVIDENCE BUSTING THE CHOPS OF ARCH PERPS FRANK BORMAN AND CHARLES BERRY , SUBTLE BUT SO SO SO SO SO SO BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!


Thread: The Apollo Scam In A Nutshell (Page 2)
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Sorry, here are those links:

[link to www.science.ca]

[link to www.economist.com]
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I say "we" as though I do all of the posting for my group, I do not do most of the heavy research, the digging through mags, newspapers, books, videos. Our group has tried other scribes, but it seems everyone favors my continuing on in the role and so I shall, though in a decreased capacity. We are working on some films about other things, though Apollo is a topic. I'll send you a link to our bicycle movie when it comes out if you like. It is quite good. Best to you, RC.......

We are 5 docs and one mathematician, 5 boys, one girl.....
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Liar. Everybody knows it is just you. As well as all your sock puppets. All you.
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A bit more on Charles Berry.


Thread: PHONY AIN'TSTRONAUT KEN MATTINGLY RUBELLA SCAM, PROVES APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY
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I say "we" as though I do all of the posting for my group, I do not do most of the heavy research, the digging through mags, newspapers, books, videos. Our group has tried other scribes, but it seems everyone favors my continuing on in the role and so I shall, though in a decreased capacity. We are working on some films about other things, though Apollo is a topic. I'll send you a link to our bicycle movie when it comes out if you like. It is quite good. Best to you, RC.......

We are 5 docs and one mathematician, 5 boys, one girl.....
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Liar. Everybody knows it is just you. As well as all your sock puppets. All you.
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You are more than welcome to join in, but you of course must post on topic. I have been tolerant. Last warning, any further off topic comments, i will ban you from this thread and all of my others.
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People do stuff other people don't understand the reason for all the time.

Considering that the reason has actually been explained to you at least half a dozen times the problem obviously lies with you.
Your verbose and confused argument boils down to claiming that people would never perform a medical experiment on themselves.
Maybe you wouldn't but we know for a fact that people have.

"I don't understand this therefore everything is faked" is just another argument from ignorance.

Meanwhile in the real world all informed rational people agree that Apollo has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
If you want to stand a chance in hell of disproving Apollo you will have to disproof the evidence for Apollo.
Spewing logical fallacies only proofs things about you.
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Meanwhile the consensus among the people in the know is that faking Apollo, if possible at all, would have required the collusion of at least many thousand of peoples, if not millions.
Not a mere few dozen.


Darryl Cunningham Investigates The Moon Hoax [link to darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com]
Moon Base Clavius, for all your debunking needs [link to www.xmission.com]
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


This pendulum argument is so stale. Because the pendulum film exists doesn't undo the argument for fraud from our side. Granted, we don't know how the illusion was carried off, but we can come up with a half a dozen great options/suggestions. Borman lied, Apollo is fraudulent. that much we know. the details of the fraud scenario are not known, thanks to the PERPS.
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Here is an interesting PERP, BART SIBREL. I have started a dedicated thread on the subject of his culpability, his self incriminatory behavior.


Thread: Bart Sibrel Is In Bed With Aldrin And Has Been Identified As An Apollo Fraud Perpetrator


As an aside, the subject of Sibrel and his self incriminatory activities, is particularly interesting from the vantage that it goes to show all that is needed in the understanding of Apollo's fraudulence is common sense. If this Sibrel video is dubbed, Apollo must be fraudulent. No rocket science degree needed. Here we have an Apollo fraud topic, really an avenue of incontrovertible fraud proof, that has nothing whatsoever to do with rocks, pics, rockets and what not. One can show flat out that Apollo is fraudulent, simply by way of examining these bogus Sibrel videos.

This of course is a sign of weakness on the part of the PERPS. Things began to unravel for them in the mid nineties, and as such, they got desperate to the point of doing dumb stuff like this, making phony "Aldrin Punches Sibrel Videos" to make Aldrin look tough and their patsy, Sibrel, look weak.

Pathetic no?

I encourage everyone to post their own unedited version, or edited versions of the Sibrel video. If we can get half a dozen, a dozen, two dozen links featuring these bogus videos, well my friends, we'll be home free , and our feet won't have left the comforts of full on EARTH G.


EDIT;is particularly interesting from the vantage that goes to show all that is needed to understand Apollo's fraudulence is common sense.

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Note all of the name calling posts have been removed. Please, only on topic posts. Off topic posts will now be summarily removed without further warning.
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Stop pretending, Patrick.

You want a name? I've got one. Coward. You won't allow other people to speak. You won't even defend your own ideas. Instead you create multiple sock puppets who all cheer you, then you dive for cover and show up in some other forum.

Intellectual honesty is an undiscovered country for you.
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Note all of the name calling posts have been removed. Please, only on topic posts. Off topic posts will now be summarily removed without further warning.
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You mean all of the posts where people other than you call people names. You still grant yourself the privilege of calling others names. You also grant yourself the ability to post off topic at will. What does diarrhea have to do with cameras? What does lightning have to do with hearing loss? Your threads are a non-stop stream of invective, scatology, libel, school yard boasting and, now, threats.

You have yet to formulate one coherent, logical argument. You spend hours typing rambling, offensive posts and then switch topics rather than respond to a simple question. When others point out your fallacies, you attempt to drown them out by introducing a chorus of sock puppets to praise your work. Childish.

TO THE MODS: Please examine the style of the anonymous posts that agree with "RelentlesslyClever's" posts. They all have his rhetorical style, vocabulary, spelling errors and even tendency to edit needlessly. Permitting this sort of sock puppetry (not to mention immature, illogical and insulting posts) does nothing to enhance the reputation of Godlike Productions.

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