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Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?

 
Patrick Bateman

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10/03/2012 07:13 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
I still fail to see how an AR-15 or any rife would benefit anyone in CQC over the Tactical Shotty.

Has anyone see the super shorty?

Go to google images and type in "super shorty".

There is no better way to conceal a shotty and have massive power. Makes the desert eagle look like bubble gum change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24854327


Not many ways in cqc, but against vests is one.

I know I already said this, but I would get the AR (556) and then get a used double barrel 12 gauge for cq. Saw the fucker off a little if you are going to be real close, and add a pistol grip to it.

Or just get a kimber for cqc.

Nicest hand guns ever made.

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10/03/2012 07:28 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
This of course for self defense.

ShotGun: Red Dot sight, 18in Barrel and 28In Barrel (spare).

or

AR-15: Red Dot Sight, 16in Barrel


What do you guys prefer?

Personally I would go with the shotgun because:

More stopping power.
Interchangable Barrels. IE: 18in for Security and 26in for hunting.

Different rounds (ie: Sabot,Slugs, Exotic Ammo, 00Buck, birshot, ect..)


If you had to choose one or the other, what would it be and why?
 Quoting: Gunner 24854327


If I lived in the U.S. I'd buy both.
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10/03/2012 07:32 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
I still fail to see how an AR-15 or any rife would benefit anyone in CQC over the Tactical Shotty.

Has anyone see the super shorty?

Go to google images and type in "super shorty".

There is no better way to conceal a shotty and have massive power. Makes the desert eagle look like bubble gum change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24854327


Not many ways in cqc, but against vests is one.

I know I already said this, but I would get the AR (556) and then get a used double barrel 12 gauge for cq. Saw the fucker off a little if you are going to be real close, and add a pistol grip to it.

Or just get a kimber for cqc.

Nicest hand guns ever made.

[link to www.kimberamerica.com]
 Quoting: Patrick Bateman


1911 are awesome looking. Too bad they don't have a rail for optics.
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10/03/2012 07:33 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
This of course for self defense.

ShotGun: Red Dot sight, 18in Barrel and 28In Barrel (spare).

or

AR-15: Red Dot Sight, 16in Barrel


What do you guys prefer?

Personally I would go with the shotgun because:

More stopping power.
Interchangable Barrels. IE: 18in for Security and 26in for hunting.

Different rounds (ie: Sabot,Slugs, Exotic Ammo, 00Buck, birshot, ect..)


If you had to choose one or the other, what would it be and why?
 Quoting: Gunner 24854327


If I lived in the U.S. I'd buy both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24892849


Come to the U.S. where there is no such thing as an illegal firearm. Anything can be legally obtained with the correct paperwork and signatures.

So what are you waiting for my italian friend?
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10/03/2012 07:44 PM
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The AR is really a POS in a SHTF situation. You wont have time to keep it spotless clean and sing it a bed time story to keep it working properly. For the price buy an AK and and a Mossburg 500 with extended tube. The Mossburg passed the military 10,000 round no fail test with no cleaning and the AK was made for any able person to shoot with little to no care. You can throw them in the dirt, drag them behind a truck pick it up and still shoot it.
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10/03/2012 10:30 PM

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The AR is really a POS in a SHTF situation. You wont have time to keep it spotless clean and sing it a bed time story to keep it working properly. For the price buy an AK and and a Mossburg 500 with extended tube. The Mossburg passed the military 10,000 round no fail test with no cleaning and the AK was made for any able person to shoot with little to no care. You can throw them in the dirt, drag them behind a truck pick it up and still shoot it.
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No shit. That fucker jams so much I don't even know why I bother with one.
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10/03/2012 10:32 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
Depends. If you're new to the firing range get the shotgun otherwise if you have tons of money to blow on rounds and good target practice go with the ar-15 and hope it doesn't jam.

That should be enough data for you to mine.
 Quoting: flashlight


What would you personally get? (assuming you don't have either one already).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24854327


The shotgun.

.223 rounds are too much for my pocketbook. The shotgun won't do much against your average gov't thug with kevlar but it'll stop some looters from raping your wife and kids.
 Quoting: flashlight


Use slugs
Patrick Bateman

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10/03/2012 10:35 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
This of course for self defense.

ShotGun: Red Dot sight, 18in Barrel and 28In Barrel (spare).

or

AR-15: Red Dot Sight, 16in Barrel


What do you guys prefer?

Personally I would go with the shotgun because:

More stopping power.
Interchangable Barrels. IE: 18in for Security and 26in for hunting.

Different rounds (ie: Sabot,Slugs, Exotic Ammo, 00Buck, birshot, ect..)


If you had to choose one or the other, what would it be and why?
 Quoting: Gunner 24854327


If I lived in the U.S. I'd buy both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24892849


Come to the U.S. where there is no such thing as an illegal firearm. Anything can be legally obtained with the correct paperwork and signatures.

So what are you waiting for my italian friend?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24854327


That is not true at all.

Most fully automatics in most states, full auto handguns, launchers, etc.
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10/03/2012 10:38 PM
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mossberg 500

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mossberg 500

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Ya but it's painful :(
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10/03/2012 10:41 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
shotgun..but with a longer mag tube for extra shells..
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10/03/2012 10:44 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
If you go tactical shotgun the only choice is SAIGA 12. If not go with the AR.
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10/03/2012 10:45 PM

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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
This of course for self defense.

ShotGun: Red Dot sight, 18in Barrel and 28In Barrel (spare).

or

AR-15: Red Dot Sight, 16in Barrel


What do you guys prefer?

Personally I would go with the shotgun because:

More stopping power.
Interchangable Barrels. IE: 18in for Security and 26in for hunting.

Different rounds (ie: Sabot,Slugs, Exotic Ammo, 00Buck, birshot, ect..)


If you had to choose one or the other, what would it be and why?
 Quoting: Gunner 24854327


Check out this ammo for your shotty.
Russian steel slugs. Solid and pre- fragmented H. P. hunter

[link to ddupleks.com]
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10/03/2012 10:45 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
I'm always looking at worst case scenario and in a grid down, mad max situation, I'd take an AR, hands down. But buy both. shotguns are cheap...
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10/03/2012 10:47 PM
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AK-47
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10/03/2012 10:54 PM
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For self defense within your home or the front yard, shotgun is king. Get a 18.5 to 20" barrel pump action that will handle 3" and with an extended capacity for shells. Remington 870 or Mossberg will be great.
Nikola Tesla

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10/03/2012 10:56 PM

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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
This of course for self defense.

ShotGun: Red Dot sight, 18in Barrel and 28In Barrel (spare).

or

AR-15: Red Dot Sight, 16in Barrel


What do you guys prefer?

Personally I would go with the shotgun because:

More stopping power.
Interchangable Barrels. IE: 18in for Security and 26in for hunting.

Different rounds (ie: Sabot,Slugs, Exotic Ammo, 00Buck, birshot, ect..)


If you had to choose one or the other, what would it be and why?
 Quoting: Gunner 24854327


For personal protection, Nothing beats a 12 gauge with an 18 1/4" barrel loaded with 3" rounds of double 00 buck shot.
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10/03/2012 10:58 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
Husband says, "Tac Shotgun".
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10/03/2012 10:59 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
You are going to need both.....
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10/03/2012 11:01 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
If you go tactical shotgun the only choice is SAIGA 12. If not go with the AR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2679163


Amen. I am well versed in weaponry of all sorts. If the shtf, and has a chance of quickly coming back together, you don't want to be shooting people 200-300 meters away...try explaining that urgent need to LE. At first problems will arise in CQB situations and having a high capacity 12 gauge (20 round drum) that is as powerful as class 3 USAS destructive devices is a formidable weapon. Later if needed you can acquire or trade for an AR. Appearance is almost as powerful as the weapon itself. They look mean.
 Quoting: indifissible


Yeah, but for a person just picking up skills, I would go pump. Saiga shotguns are great once they are tuned for the gas plug adjustment. Can be finicky on ammo otherwise and present a weapons failure situation with someone not familiar beforehand.
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10/03/2012 11:05 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
You are going to need both.....
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Also get a couple 45's and good boots.
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10/03/2012 11:17 PM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
12 gauge all the way. With AR 15 you need an entire clip to kill an intruder (when it doesn't jam). With a shotty you end the battle in one shot.

When SHTF you are not gonna sit on your roof top hoping to snipe someone, you stay low and only pull the trigger when you are sure the other guy is here to harm you.

no need for red dot sight, just ghost ring sight. red dot is slow to aim and needs battery to operate.

macgunscared
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10/03/2012 11:24 PM

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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
Yes.
For all the reasons outlined above and more.
Both.
You also need a handgun.
Absolutely. Your handgun gets you time. You will always need time. Even if it is merely seconds. Seconds count.
Put the range time in. Establish the muscle memory.
Use both eyes.
Buy ammo, eat less.
Feed your head. Store your bread.

Heed the motto below, " Betimes must rise,..."

Get to it,..Storms rising,...
"Betimes must rise who few reapers has, and see to the work himself; much will miss in the morn who sleeps: for the brisk the race is half run."
Har

"Time is but the stream I go fishing in. I drink at it, but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It's thin current slides away, but eternity remains."
Thoreau, Henry David
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10/03/2012 11:39 PM
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mossberg 500

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Ya but it's painful :(
 Quoting: flashlight


So are all shotguns shooting buckshot. I have a benelli m4 with the collapsible stock and when I shoot OO magnum loads it kicks harder than my Marlin 45-70. You definitely want to wear heavy padded clothing when you shoot it.
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10/03/2012 11:50 PM
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AR-15 .223 takes down 300 pound wild boar AR-15 .223 takes down 300 pound wild boar FOR ME BECAUSE A TRANSPORTER CAN ONLY CARRY A PISTOL , IT ALSO WOULD REPLACE ANY DESIRE FOR A SHOTGUN,,CLOSE RANGE USE Thread: PTR-91 PDW .308 or 7.62 NATO Pistol AND A 223 FOR TARGETING
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10/03/2012 11:50 PM
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Those who kill with the sword shall surely be killed by a sword.
oh you of little faith, do you not believe that i can ask my father and he would send me 12 legions of angels?
unbelievers shall surely perish and no sword shall save them.
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10/04/2012 12:04 AM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
12 gauge all the way. With AR 15 you need an entire clip to kill an intruder (when it doesn't jam). With a shotty you end the battle in one shot.

When SHTF you are not gonna sit on your roof top hoping to snipe someone, you stay low and only pull the trigger when you are sure the other guy is here to harm you.

no need for red dot sight, just ghost ring sight. red dot is slow to aim and needs battery to operate.

macgunscared
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HOW MANY ROUNDS DID BREVYK SHOOT IN NORWAY...HE KILLED WHAT 77 SOMETHING...YOU GUNNA CARRY 77 PLUS ROUNDS OF SHOTSHELL? LOOKS LIKE GANGS WILL SHOW UP @your doorWHAT 10, 15, 50.? 308 PISTOL IS SNIPER IN ROOM..DONT FEAR HITTING YOUR HONEY WHEN BAD GUY HAS A KNIFE TO HER THROAT
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10/04/2012 12:23 AM
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Those who kill with the sword shall surely be killed by a sword.
oh you of little faith, do you not believe that i can ask my father and he would send me 12 legions of angels?
unbelievers shall surely perish and no sword shall save them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24840534


Those who defend themselves are not killing by the sword.

Those who plot to kill someone is breaking a commandment (thou shall not kill)

GOD gave us the right to fight for our lives.

You must be into replacement theology.
Patrick Bateman

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10/04/2012 12:29 AM
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Re: Tactical Shotgun or AR-15?
Depends. If you're new to the firing range get the shotgun otherwise if you have tons of money to blow on rounds and good target practice go with the ar-15 and hope it doesn't jam.

That should be enough data for you to mine.
 Quoting: flashlight


What would you personally get? (assuming you don't have either one already).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24854327


The shotgun.

.223 rounds are too much for my pocketbook. The shotgun won't do much against your average gov't thug with kevlar but it'll stop some looters from raping your wife and kids.
 Quoting: flashlight


Use slugs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19782831


If .223 are too expensive, buy a few boxes and a reloading kit, it will pay off over time.