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Did our Founding Fathers see the future?

 
Back from the Future
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10/03/2012 01:39 PM
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Did our Founding Fathers see the future?
So does anyone know what our founding fathers saw when they wrote the Constitution? Why were there so many checks and balances put in place? What if one of them could see into the future and tried everything to make sure it didn't happen?
If they returned to present day to find whats going on would they have written it differently back then? Who would have thought we would be hijacked and lured into this mess.
I give them credit for trying their best to protect us, but I think all was for nothing. Freedom is now a word used to start wars. Sickening
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Writing helps me understand and answer my own questions.
So what if reincarnation existed? What if one of them returned to this modern day? Could they change anything? Would the people listen? How do you rid corruption and keep it from taking hold again? Or is it inevitable that we must not have freedom of personal identity if we are to live in this world? Or is Corporation the only thing that has rights? What if they saw Corporation having more rights than us? It was put there to protect us. What happened to the checks and balances?
What if...those founding fathers are here today? Witnessing this unfold. Could they stop it?
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10/03/2012 02:06 PM
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Nearly all of them were Masons.
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10/03/2012 02:08 PM
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Here's an interesting book on some of it.

The Secret Destiny of America

[link to knowledgefiles.com]
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Yes, most were Masons, as was my ancestor who wrote the book Common Sense. Perhaps even the Masons saw corruption within?
To protect yourself from an enemy, you must know them better than they know themselves. Very specific checks and balances were put in place. What did they see? One plan foiled led to a takeover by another? How do we stop this?
As I see it, interest should be banned, and corporations outlawed. Government not allowed to exceed 10% of the population. What would abolish all of this forever? Anything? Are we so far gone that even the best minds out there are at a loss on how to stop this? Why are the racial wars being stirred within?

Why is a revolution being forced upon us? For what purpose does it serve for us to be manipulated? For who's benefit? Not ours, that's for sure. We are being made to fail so a takeover can happen by an unfriendly entity. And we are being sucked into it, lured, taunted, provoked within. Religion is being intertwined as a way to stir the pot. Religious wars and racial wars are being fed to us so we fall apart from within.
It's a planned effort to weaken us in every possible way. Most likely so another religion can take over. The rich have their holes dug and the more people that get wiped out the better. They will inherit the Earth. Like I said, can anyone stop this?
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10/03/2012 02:48 PM
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Nobody can stop this.





lol
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10/03/2012 02:50 PM
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Re: Did our Founding Fathers see the future?
They wrote about our current situation.
They warned not to let the banks run the country- - if this happens, it's over for us.

Well... guess we fucked up.
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10/03/2012 02:53 PM
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Re: Did our Founding Fathers see the future?
They wrote about our current situation.
They warned not to let the banks run the country- - if this happens, it's over for us.

Well... guess we fucked up.
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yes, its long been game over.
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They were absolutely incredibly brilliant men. The things they foresaw in order to structure the foundation of America is mind boggling.

But, I don't think they understood the technological growth that would change the world. Also, fucking amendments and laws that can be changed and added to. Ugh, this is getting me disgusted. Politicians and bureaucracies are the evil of the world.
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10/03/2012 02:57 PM
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It is easy to predict the future when you understand the past. History repeats,money corrupts,banks and corporations buy politicians and try to enslave the average person. The founding fathers wanted American citizens to be armed terrorists. They wanted politicians to live in fear of the voters. Fear of loosing their job,fear of revolt if the Government took away the freedoms this country fought a war to secure.
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10/03/2012 03:10 PM
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I can feel your disgust. It's the same feeling I have. I pride myself in my heritage, but it is meaningless if this all fails. A dream shattered, stolen from us.
So, what if we were given a chance to do it all over again, knowing what we know now, how would it be? Should all debts be null and void since the system was rigged? Say it is wiped out, what form of currency or trade do you envision?

The reset that is being promoted is nothing but a way to steal from us even more. What the hell can we do to stop this? Elect another person in charge of running the great corrupt war machine? I say cancel the elections. Stop working, stop spending money, and everyone sit home with their families and regroup. Rethink what we want our future to be. Remember the Dream, and this time make it happen.
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10/03/2012 08:26 PM
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There are letters written between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson where the discuss the ultimate fate of the "Great American Experiment". Adams wrote "you do know this government will fail eventually", to which Jefferson replied "yes I know, but they will recognize why it failed....and improve it".
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10/03/2012 08:33 PM
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Those who are part of the reason for the eventual collapse will not survive to see the restoration of honorable Constitutional government. Only those Americans who are truly self-reliant will survive beyond 6 months past a collapse. There will be those however who will want to put forth an effort and learn self-reliance out of a survival instinct. Encourage these people and teach them when the time comes, THESE people will have the grwater understanding (and sense of responsibility) and may become the Constitution's staunchest defenders. Those willing to work will have learned the lesson; those who simply want to be taken care of will perish, by their own laziness.
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10/03/2012 08:42 PM
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They knew exactly what they were doing. They created this federal monster, in secret, and hatched it on an unsuspecting collection of 13 separate countries when all they were supposed to be doing was re-negotiating a free trade deal. That sound familliar?

They created a system so a small group of men could control most of a continent. The only reason they included any checks and balances at all was to keep one group of elite interests from running it all for their benefit and to the debtrement of all the rest of the elite interests.

Some FFs were cattlemen, others land barons and speculators, others manufacturers and merchants. Separation of powers was designed to give them all a taste of, and a hand in, plundering the land and fucking the people.
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I don't think the intention was to screw the people. We didn't fight a war so someone could knowingly stick it to us, which is why the checks and balances were put into place. Yes things could have been done to limit Government from getting too big, but in their time I think they did an amazing job for laying the foundation to one of the greatest countries in the world.
The bankers and politicians corrupted the system.

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