It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.

Hitler?

Do you believe that Hitler and his followers thought they were performing acts of evil?
In his followers minds they thought he was performing a great service to the German people.
To this day there are people who believe what Hitler did was good.
Personally I think he was a douche and delusional, but not everyone shares my view so not everyone views his actions as evil.
If it is not agreed by everyone that he was evil then it is a viewpoint and not a fact.
Facts do not change from viewpoint to viewpoint, real facts are accepted by all when they see them.

Dutroux?

Marc Dutroux the serial killer?
There are people in the world who think serial killers are great, they buy memorabilia, trading cards and actually memorize their biographies.
I think serial killer fans are sick, but the fact stands some people think they are great.
So again we see opinions of what is good and evil, or cool and sick.

Feed a hungry child.

Then stop posting drivel.

What child? It does not matter what ethnic origin they are from, someone in the world would rather see them die, and thinks the world would be better without them.

The OP is correct, but it makes people uncomfortable.

[polar vision is when] the basic pairs of opposites, the positive and the negative, are seen as the different poles of a single magnet or circuit. This knowledge is repressed in any culture that accentuates the positive, and is thus a strict taboo. It carries Gestalt psychology, which insists on the mutual interdependence of figure and background, to its logical conclusion in every aspect of life and thought; so that the voluntary and the involuntary, knowing and the known, birth and decay, good and evil, outline and inline, self and other, solid and space, motion and rest, light and darkness, are seen as aspects of a single and completely perfect process. The implication of this may be that there is nothing in life to be gained or attained that is not already here and now, an implication thoroughly disturbing to any philosophy or culture which is seriously playing the game which I have called White Must Win.
-Alan Watts

actions are not dependent on perceptions ...thankfully!

especially delusional perceptions that have been skewed by massive propaganda.

That's bullshit.

You've done something shitty and you're trying to clear your conscience with this mumbo jumbo..I get it, but it's still bullshit all the same.

So it has to do with morales?

You mean massive propaganda like religions? Massive propaganda like the media?
Massive propaganda like the schools?
They all twist perceptions and are the causes of your delusional skewed perceptions.

I am sure there are people who think everything I do is "shitty" just as there are people who think everything you do is "shitty", but those are just perceptions.

1*'d for idiocy.

It has to do with opinions, not morals.
Morals are a fictitious nomenclature of personal opinions regarding good and evil which do not exist.

very good poindexter!

therefore, there can be no "good" for everybody, without one God to say what is good. it's a reference point.

therefore, everyone who disagrees with God is evil. and, to those people, God is evil.

next question!

can you have good without evil? evil without good? what is good? what is evil?

ah but I forget myself. you all were too stupid to engage in the other conversations. watching this one could only be like watching monkeys try to fuck a football.

yes. Rodriguez Morales, to be exact.

Yes so it has to do with this thread, because morale is a parameter to take into account. Morales are all subjectives and depend on the culture. Wath is good in China is bad in Africa.

Well lets take something simple like religion and define if the religion is good or evil.
We will use one of the most common themes we use to identify good and evil: Killing.
The Christian religion is famous for the crusades which saw a lot of killing.
Does that make the Christian religion evil?
The Buddhist religion has no real history of violence does that make Buddhism good?

Yeeeah, I see where OP is coming from.
If I ass rape & eat his children in front of him, that might not necessarily be a bad thing, right OP?
I mean, it's all about perspective isn't it?

OP has been to one of those Common Purpose *seminars* & is trying out his New-Speak, cut him some slack & admit that you're out of his league intellectually.

Here's a gold star for you OP-

I am sure a lot of people reading these posts would think that is a great idea so I don't spread these ideas to anyone else.

Notice how uncomfortable this simple truth makes everyone.

It is important to remember, however, that even though there is no "absolute" good or evil, for practical purposes in day-to-day life, we need these concepts simply to operate our social systems.

What the OP is talking about is valid philosophically, but it is not really very useful information on a practical level and can even be destructive, which is why he is getting such negative reactions.

When someones programming and perception of reality is questioned they always become so angry.

Reminder to self:- never visit where OP lives.

OP here are some good examples of how cultural influences have shaped the way in which those cultures have viewed and reacted to certain actions.

Suicide bombers. To much of the world the act of blowing yourself up in an attempt to kill/harm others can be viewed as a barbaric and 'evil' act. However within the confines of certain cultural/religious influences, that same act may be viewed by certain individuals as noble & heroic.

Human sacrifice to the 'Gods'. When we read about the Mayan ball game and how human sacrifices were made with the 'captain' of the losing team being beheaded, many may view that act as barbaric and inhumane, and as a punishment. But to the Mayan the act of surrendering one's life to the 'Gods' may very well have been viewed in a positive and prestigious context.

Was it the ancient Greeks where it was accepted for men to have sex with boys in the bath houses? I am personally repulsed by the thought of this but I'd imagine back then it was culturally accepted for this type of behavior to transpire, however much of the people alive in the world today would understandably be disgusted by such a practice. But back then people would not have reacted in a similar matter.

What some will fail to understand is that this conversation is not about what is universally 'right' or 'wrong' but how societal and cultural factors influence how and why we are inclined to have certain reactions to specific acts or events. I have a strong interest in human psychology so this subject matter interest me greatly.

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Oh dear, I was joking but you really have been to the seminar haven't you?
C'mon fess up. Which group was it?

Exactly human psychology, the more we understand the less we can be manipulated.

I arrived at this point simply through studying human psychology, and in particular this very forum.
This is a breeding ground of some of the most close minded people I have ever had the honor of communicating with and it led me to the question why is everyone so close minded(myself included)?
I see people on here with a wide range of perceptions which usually and naturally fall into conflict.
A lot of very intelligent people who spend most of their time arguing about ideas that once objectively studied do not even seem to pertain to "reality".
It all boils down to one giant debate about philosophy which in itself is a dead end field of study, or psychology which at least leads us to better understand ourselves.
But everyday we push on either trying to convert or understand people and how they think.

Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.

Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.

Sergeant Paramorales