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It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.

 
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Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
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Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Sergeant Paramorales
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If you think your concept of good and evil is the only version that is correct, and you think everyone who sees things differently is evil, you must think you are God.
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Which God is good?
Everyone on earth who follows a God and believes in good and evil believes their God is good.
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It depends on your intent when you performed the act. If your intent was pure, then your conscious is clear. If the intent is to hurt, or to favour yourself at the expense of other, then the act is evil.

Then you get into the category of good acts...... Some people help others at the detriment to themselves. This isn't necessarily a good act.
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
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Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


If OP is not 'God', and you are not 'God', then how can you proclaim that 'God says what they are'? Who speaks for 'God'? You? OP? The men who wrote the bible or any other religious text?

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
It depends on your intent when you performed the act. If your intent was pure, then your conscious is clear. If the intent is to hurt, or to favour yourself at the expense of other, then the act is evil.

Then you get into the category of good acts...... Some people help others at the detriment to themselves. This isn't necessarily a good act.
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So if Hitler was so delusional he thought killing the Jews would help the Austrians and Germans have a better world this act was good?
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Which God is good?
Everyone on earth who follows a God and believes in good and evil believes their God is good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


There is only one GOD, one creator. You do not know him but you could if you wanted to. He calls to you but you do not listen. His work is manifest and you choose not to see it.
Open your eyes before its too late.
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Sergeant Paramorales
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If you think your concept of good and evil is the only version that is correct, and you think everyone who sees things differently is evil, you must think you are God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


No I think that when people are separated by different point of view/believes/morals/ForumS/groupS/fashion/taste/Secret Societies or whatever divides us, we're all LOSING THE MAIN IDEA into which we're all embedded--------------------> what you call God/creation
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
It depends on your intent when you performed the act. If your intent was pure, then your conscious is clear. If the intent is to hurt, or to favour yourself at the expense of other, then the act is evil.

Then you get into the category of good acts...... Some people help others at the detriment to themselves. This isn't necessarily a good act.
 Quoting: Aunty Flo


So if Hitler was so delusional he thought killing the Jews would help the Austrians and Germans have a better world this act was good?
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Hitler was touched to start with. He wasn't born hurtful but he sure as shit hurt himself that way. On the scale of of very good, normal, and evil - he's positioned between normal and evil.

It has much to do with power and control.

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Moral relativism is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Self justification leads to the worst prison there is.

You are not GOD op, nor will you ever be.

Try to understand this little human.

Objective TRUTH is real and we are all subject to it.

If you doubt this, try to jump off the highest building you can find and fly away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


People are not good or evil. People are either ok, or hurt.
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Truth is truth and opinion is opinion.
I did not say I was God.
Gravity can be measured by anyone on the planet.
Good and evil only exists in the human mind and cannot be measured by any means besides the mind itself.
A crazy person might believe that gravity cannot effect them but they will still fall if they jump.
A properly programmed person might believe in good and evil but that does not make them real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Which God is good?
Everyone on earth who follows a God and believes in good and evil believes their God is good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


There is only one GOD, one creator. You do not know him but you could if you wanted to. He calls to you but you do not listen. His work is manifest and you choose not to see it.
Open your eyes before its too late.
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And which God is this one creator? Odin? Zeus? who?
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Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Which God is good?
Everyone on earth who follows a God and believes in good and evil believes their God is good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


There is only one GOD, one creator. You do not know him but you could if you wanted to. He calls to you but you do not listen. His work is manifest and you choose not to see it.
Open your eyes before its too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


And which God is this one creator? Odin? Zeus? who?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


All of them.
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actions are not dependent on perceptions ...thankfully!

especially delusional perceptions that have been skewed by massive propaganda.
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You mean massive propaganda like religions? Massive propaganda like the media?
Massive propaganda like the schools?
They all twist perceptions and are the causes of your delusional skewed perceptions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


the good/bad actions ARE NOT dependant on peoples perceptions of good/bad.

action ==== reaction

the gathered perceptions are an after thought.

the action came first.

it's the intention that really matters....not perception.
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actions are not dependent on perceptions ...thankfully!

especially delusional perceptions that have been skewed by massive propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


You mean massive propaganda like religions? Massive propaganda like the media?
Massive propaganda like the schools?
They all twist perceptions and are the causes of your delusional skewed perceptions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


the good/bad actions ARE NOT dependant on peoples perceptions of good/bad.

action ==== reaction

the gathered perceptions are an after thought.

the action came first.

it's the intention that really matters....not perception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


O.K. I was not going to go into motivations but it looks like that's the turn this thread wants to make.
The motivation for the action is the origin of the action correct?
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Good and Evil are just as real as gravity and can be measured by anyone on the planet.

God says what they are. Not people. But we people are well aware of the difference. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or crazy or both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


Which God is good?
Everyone on earth who follows a God and believes in good and evil believes their God is good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


There is only one GOD, one creator. You do not know him but you could if you wanted to. He calls to you but you do not listen. His work is manifest and you choose not to see it.
Open your eyes before its too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


And which God is this one creator? Odin? Zeus? who?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Some call him The Ancient of Days. He calls himself I am That I am. I call him Lord.
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Which God is good?
Everyone on earth who follows a God and believes in good and evil believes their God is good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


There is only one GOD, one creator. You do not know him but you could if you wanted to. He calls to you but you do not listen. His work is manifest and you choose not to see it.
Open your eyes before its too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


And which God is this one creator? Odin? Zeus? who?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Some call him The Ancient of Days. He calls himself I am That I am. I call him Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18847658


And how do you come by knowledge of your God?
ANHEDONIC

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OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?

Last Edited by ANHEDONIC on 10/03/2012 07:11 PM

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actions are not dependent on perceptions ...thankfully!

especially delusional perceptions that have been skewed by massive propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


You mean massive propaganda like religions? Massive propaganda like the media?
Massive propaganda like the schools?
They all twist perceptions and are the causes of your delusional skewed perceptions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


the good/bad actions ARE NOT dependant on peoples perceptions of good/bad.

action ==== reaction

the gathered perceptions are an after thought.

the action came first.

it's the intention that really matters....not perception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


O.K. I was not going to go into motivations but it looks like that's the turn this thread wants to make.
The motivation for the action is the origin of the action correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Anything emotionally driven, such as religion or politics, is going to make you act in a way that is irrational and driven.
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"What we are aware of is a complex of vibrations and we have been conditioned to call them graduatedly, good, bad, pleasant, painful. Whereas, as a matter-of-fact they are nothing but vibrations."

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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I think a person can be taught to believe almost anything, I personally think to understand the effect nature has on a human being science would need to actually perform an experiment and let a child grow up un-indoctrinated to any science, art or religion and see just how they would think.
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Re: It is impossible to perform an act that is truly evil or truly good.
OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I think a person can be taught to believe almost anything, I personally think to understand the effect nature has on a human being science would need to actually perform an experiment and let a child grow up un-indoctrinated to any science, art or religion and see just how they would think.
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Freud did this. You should check it out.
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You mean massive propaganda like religions? Massive propaganda like the media?
Massive propaganda like the schools?
They all twist perceptions and are the causes of your delusional skewed perceptions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


the good/bad actions ARE NOT dependant on peoples perceptions of good/bad.

action ==== reaction

the gathered perceptions are an after thought.

the action came first.

it's the intention that really matters....not perception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


O.K. I was not going to go into motivations but it looks like that's the turn this thread wants to make.
The motivation for the action is the origin of the action correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Anything emotionally driven, such as religion or politics, is going to make you act in a way that is irrational and driven.
 Quoting: Aunty Flo


Yes but can there be any action who's motivation is purely good or evil?
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OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I think a person can be taught to believe almost anything, I personally think to understand the effect nature has on a human being science would need to actually perform an experiment and let a child grow up un-indoctrinated to any science, art or religion and see just how they would think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Freud did this. You should check it out.
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Really? I never heard about that I will definitely look into it.
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If I deleted the universe, no one would consider me to have performed an evil or good act.
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the good/bad actions ARE NOT dependant on peoples perceptions of good/bad.

action ==== reaction

the gathered perceptions are an after thought.

the action came first.

it's the intention that really matters....not perception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


O.K. I was not going to go into motivations but it looks like that's the turn this thread wants to make.
The motivation for the action is the origin of the action correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Anything emotionally driven, such as religion or politics, is going to make you act in a way that is irrational and driven.
 Quoting: Aunty Flo


Yes but can there be any action who's motivation is purely good or evil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225

Yes. In court cases where a persons actions is being examined, the judge will ask the question, 'what would a reasonable man do'? What is considered 'reasonable' to our society. There are many cases where people kill others, and experience no feelings of empathy or compassion. These people are known as mentally ill. In the western world, the good of all trumps the good of the individual. You as a citizen has a responsibility to you fellow brothers and sisters and must never perform an act that could damage another human being. This is another thing that is on a scale. By damage, I mean death, injury, injustice.

It isn't as black and white as good and evil. Obviously a persons culture, beliefs, parenting, are all taken into account.
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O.K. I was not going to go into motivations but it looks like that's the turn this thread wants to make.
The motivation for the action is the origin of the action correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Anything emotionally driven, such as religion or politics, is going to make you act in a way that is irrational and driven.
 Quoting: Aunty Flo


Yes but can there be any action who's motivation is purely good or evil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225

Yes. In court cases where a persons actions is being examined, the judge will ask the question, 'what would a reasonable man do'? What is considered 'reasonable' to our society. There are many cases where people kill others, and experience no feelings of empathy or compassion. These people are known as mentally ill. In the western world, the good of all trumps the good of the individual. You as a citizen has a responsibility to you fellow brothers and sisters and must never perform an act that could damage another human being. This is another thing that is on a scale. By damage, I mean death, injury, injustice.

It isn't as black and white as good and evil. Obviously a persons culture, beliefs, parenting, are all taken into account.
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Yes there are behaviors that are culturally accepted, but to call these acceptable behaviors good is a misnomer.
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OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?
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I think a person can be taught to believe almost anything, I personally think to understand the effect nature has on a human being science would need to actually perform an experiment and let a child grow up un-indoctrinated to any science, art or religion and see just how they would think.
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A bubble boy?

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OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I think a person can be taught to believe almost anything, I personally think to understand the effect nature has on a human being science would need to actually perform an experiment and let a child grow up un-indoctrinated to any science, art or religion and see just how they would think.
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Freud did this. You should check it out.
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He must have accomplished that between his doing lines of blow. What a weird guy. tounge

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Anything emotionally driven, such as religion or politics, is going to make you act in a way that is irrational and driven.
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Yes but can there be any action who's motivation is purely good or evil?
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Yes. In court cases where a persons actions is being examined, the judge will ask the question, 'what would a reasonable man do'? What is considered 'reasonable' to our society. There are many cases where people kill others, and experience no feelings of empathy or compassion. These people are known as mentally ill. In the western world, the good of all trumps the good of the individual. You as a citizen has a responsibility to you fellow brothers and sisters and must never perform an act that could damage another human being. This is another thing that is on a scale. By damage, I mean death, injury, injustice.

It isn't as black and white as good and evil. Obviously a persons culture, beliefs, parenting, are all taken into account.
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Yes there are behaviors that are culturally accepted, but to call these acceptable behaviors good is a misnomer.
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Some behaviours just are. For example, public praying. We don't like it. but we put up with it to live in a harmonious world. Other behaviours are so heinous, that the international community steps in to put an end to it, and to protect the people.

In the middle east, children are suffering genital mutilation, or are being honour killed, or wives are being murdered. It is allowed there because there is no separation between the church (islam) and the law. Thus the emotional, more volatile aspect of the human is very much in control. In the western world we see these actions as evil. Our women and children have rights, and one of them is the right to protection from violence. This is because our church and law is separation. So the rational, reasonable aspect of the human is in control.
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OP you ever contemplate about the nature vs. nurture debate?

It's quite the enigma. A person can inherently have a good heart and the capacity for empathy (which can instill a sense of morality), however children at a young age are highly malleable and can be conditioned and programmed quite easily to subscribe to a wide range of ideologies. I look at some of those videos which display cartoons that are shown to some children in Middle Eastern countries that feature a cartoon mouse blowing up Jews. I wonder how these children have any chance to trascend the conditioning that they are exposed to which serves to normalize destructive behavior. Controlling adults and the pressure to conform to the 'group think' mentality can be immense.

Sometimes I think back to the experiment with Skinner's rat and how they were able to condition a child to fear rats and how that specific conditioning led to fear of other objects that resembled the white rat. What can't you teach a child to believe?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I think a person can be taught to believe almost anything, I personally think to understand the effect nature has on a human being science would need to actually perform an experiment and let a child grow up un-indoctrinated to any science, art or religion and see just how they would think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Freud did this. You should check it out.
 Quoting: Aunty Flo


He must have accomplished that between his doing lines of blow. What a weird guy. tounge
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I believe the boy wasn't actually real, but he followed the child from birth to manhood, if it was brought up in a pristine, perfect, utopian world.

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